Determining authentic 1909-S VDB Lincol cents

1787

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Oct 9, 2008, 1:49:39 PM10/9/08

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Four obverse dies were used to produce genuine 1909-S VDB cents. This has
been mentioned here before (I think it was Ira). I have always wondered
precisely what the die markers were.

The ANA, www.money.org, produces a 106pp, SC, Numismatist reprint
"Counterfeit Detection, Vol. 2" ($9.95) that illustrates them *exactly*.
The book also includes a collection of other authenticity markers (as well
as counterfeit examples) of popularly counterfeited US coins across selected
copper, silver and gold issues.

It is neither exhaustive nor complete across US coins, but it packed with
useful information. So, if you've always wanted to know for sure about that
1909-S VDB or a 1914-D...

W.

Jon Purkey

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Oct 12, 2008, 1:38:55 PM10/12/08

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Couldn't such publications actually help counterfeiters? If they can
add a mint mark to a coin, then it would probably not be that much
more difficult to add a die mark. Or would it?

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Voltronicus

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Oct 12, 2008, 4:58:53 PM10/12/08

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On Oct 12, 1:38 pm, Jon Purkey <room321_em...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Couldn't such publications actually help counterfeiters? If they can
> add a mint mark to a coin, then it would probably not be that much
> more difficult to add a die mark. Or would it?

Yeah, I guess we ought to ban all books, movies, TV shows, radio
broadcasts and everything else lest some bad guy get an evil idea.
Sheesssshhhhhhh!

1787

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Oct 12, 2008, 6:31:24 PM10/12/08

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Possibly. However if one is skilled enough to make a passable fake, one is
clever enough to get a real coin to copy. This would be the ultimate
blueprint.

W.

Jon Purkey

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Oct 13, 2008, 1:56:26 PM10/13/08

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On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:31:24 -0700, "1787" <nob...@null.nil.net>
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Good point. :)

Frank Provasek

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Oct 14, 2008, 4:49:30 PM10/14/08

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Actually they DON'T release all the diagnostics, because
counterfeiters have been observed correcting their product based on
published articles about counterfeits.

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Voltronicus

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Oct 14, 2008, 7:01:24 PM10/14/08

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On Oct 14, 4:49 pm, Frank Provasek <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 3:58 pm, Voltronicus <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 12, 1:38 pm, Jon Purkey <room321_em...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Couldn't such publications actually help counterfeiters? If they can
> > > add a mint mark to a coin, then it would probably not be that much
> > > more difficult to add a die mark. Or would it?
>
> > Yeah, I guess we ought to ban all books, movies, TV shows, radio
> > broadcasts and everything else lest some bad guy get an evil idea.
> > Sheesssshhhhhhh!
>
> Actually they DON'T release all the diagnostics, because
> counterfeiters have been observed correcting their product based on
> published articles about counterfeits.

Who are these mysterious "they", Fwankie?
eBay? The voices in your head?