Snowy RCC?
Bruce Remick
this weekend. If you're like me, you spent part of the day shoveling and
the other part recuperating. 24+ inches on my 50' driveway in the N.
Virginia suburbs. I'll tackle the sidewalk tomorrow. No snow plow yet.
Fifty years ago, this would have brought out the local kids competing to
earn good money. But today most 70-year-olds have to do it themselves, at
least around here, while those local kids relax inside apparently counting
the money and blackberry Ipods their parents give them.
Mr. Jaggers
Yeah, by cracky, them young whippersnappers don't know the value of a
dollar. Wait, yes they do, which is why they're not knocking on your door.
James the Elderly
Petronius
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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What's the matter with kids these days?
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
Mr. Jaggers
You must have run with a different crowd than I. We were a bunch of
snotnosed, foulmouthed little bastards. It's a wonder any of us survived
into adulthood.
James the Derelict
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
news:hklag...@enews6.newsguy.com...
More than a few DON'T know the value of a dollar because they grow with
little appreciation of having to work for one.
som...@some.domain
som...@some.domain
beekeep
Got a couple of feet here in Southern Maryland. Today will be the dig out. Only
8/10 of a mile to go to get to the highway!
beekeep
Jud
week. Didn't get a flake this time around. I find it humorous when
southern climes get what we are famous for. Washington DC has gotten
more snow this season than we got all of our last season.
Jud - the Gloater
oly
We had a snowy morning in Central IL on Friday about 2-3 inches in the
morning and another 1 inch overnight, the temperature right at
freezing all day and night. The IL Department of Transportation did
an EXCELLENT JOB of keeping the roads salted and I was able to do a 75
mile each-way round trip (Springpatch to near Macomb) with no real
problems.
It used to be that a person could go to small-to-medium sized coin
shows every weekend from the end of October to the end of March, with
Christmas and New Years excepted. No more, almost all of those shows
are gone (the majority of the former attendees are deceased too). A
decent coin show next weekend in STL, but unless some misc. cash comes
in early, I probably won't attend.
oly
part...@yahoo.com
Well, thhhpphhbbbtt! Here in Baltimore we got a little over 24
inches, which is more than normal for a whole winter season here. The
real fun comes Monday morning, when I try to make it in to work. Of
course no-one here has snow tires, or much experience driving on icy
roads, so it could be quite a demolition derby. It's got me plotting
my next tropical vacation...
-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
Tony Clayton
Just damp and miserable here in the UK.
We have had a svere winter by our standards, but still nothing compared with 1947,
1963 and 1979.
Mind you, the country nearly ran out of gas...(not gasoline, for US readers,
but natural gas used for heating by most of the country)
--
Tony Clayton tony.cla...@pem.cam.ac.uk
Coins of the UK : http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk
Sent using RISCOS using VirtualAcorn-SA running on a PC
... Hey! Your Trakball is upside down!
Petronius
"Tony Clayton" <to...@tclayton.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:b6f4ebe550%to...@tclayton.demon.co.uk...
> In a recent message Jud <numis...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Tee hee!!! Sun shining brightly in Maine, most snow melted last
>> week. Didn't get a flake this time around. I find it humorous when
>> southern climes get what we are famous for. Washington DC has gotten
>> more snow this season than we got all of our last season.
>>
>> Jud - the Gloater
>
> Just damp and miserable here in the UK.
>
> We have had a svere winter by our standards, but still nothing compared with
> 1947,
> 1963 and 1979.
>
> Mind you, the country nearly ran out of gas...(not gasoline, for US readers,
> but natural gas used for heating by most of the country)
Our American politicians will be glad to supply you with all the hot air you
could ever need...
oly
> In a recent message Jud <numismat...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Tee hee!!! Sun shining brightly in Maine, most snow melted last
> > week. Didn't get a flake this time around. I find it humorous when
> > southern climes get what we are famous for. Washington DC has gotten
> > more snow this season than we got all of our last season.
>
> > Jud - the Gloater
>
> Just damp and miserable here in the UK.
>
> We have had a svere winter by our standards, but still nothing compared with 1947,
> 1963 and 1979.
>
> Mind you, the country nearly ran out of gas...(not gasoline, for US readers,
> but natural gas used for heating by most of the country)
>
> --
> Coins of the UK :http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk
> Sent using RISCOS using VirtualAcorn-SA running on a PC
> ... Hey! Your Trakball is upside down!
I had heard about the close call on the natural gas in the UK, but
have heard the situation has improved since. Yes??? Hope so.
oly
Ken Barr
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
My condolences on your weather. Itz been terrible here in San Jose this
morning as well ... a lite sprinkle of rain to ruin the day!
Tomorrow will be a tough day too ... do I spend four hours driving up to
the mountains to go skiing, or spend a half hour driving over to the
beach to go surfing? Choices, choices ...
[NB: Don't I wish! I neither ski nor surf, and will most likely spend
all day tomorrow inside imaging lots for eBay! Ah, the life of an idle
koin deeler!]
--
Ken Barr Numismatics email: k...@kenbarr.com
P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: San Jose CC 01/22-24 w/ Mac's Coins
Mr. Jaggers
You forgot to mention the endless supply of fertilizer.
James the Augean Stablemaster
Mr. Jaggers
I used go to a lot of those shows, including the long-defunct East Kumquat
Annual Coin-a-Rama, but I don't remember them being quite that frequent.
Depending on how far one cared to drive, maybe every other week. Of course,
an SMSA north of you still supports a 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 4th Sunday
show, but most of them amount to very little these days, and I'm surprised
that any of them have survived. Most of the material offered for sale has
gotten quite long in the tooth, and it's not worth the trip.
The show in Springpatch at the end of March is always good though.
James the Less-Traveled
Tom Wayne
I'm born and raised here in the Los Angeles area and have never seen
snow fall before. Have been in snow in the local mountains after it
has fallen, but have never actually seen it come down. Have seen
plenty of rain, though, especially in recent days!
mazorj
"Ken Barr" <k...@kenbarr.com> wrote in message
news:ken-352E39.0...@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <mYpbn.323$zN4...@newsfe05.iad>,
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Are most of you folks out there snowed in easterners? Not much RCC
>> action
>> this weekend. If you're like me, you spent part of the day shoveling and
>> the other part recuperating. 24+ inches on my 50' driveway in the N.
>> Virginia suburbs. I'll tackle the sidewalk tomorrow. No snow plow yet.
>> Fifty years ago, this would have brought out the local kids competing to
>> earn good money. But today most 70-year-olds have to do it themselves,
>> at
>> least around here, while those local kids relax inside apparently
>> counting
>> the money and blackberry Ipods their parents give them.
>
> My condolences on your weather. Itz been terrible here in San Jose this
> morning as well ... a lite sprinkle of rain to ruin the day!
>
> Tomorrow will be a tough day too ... do I spend four hours driving up to
> the mountains to go skiing, or spend a half hour driving over to the
> beach to go surfing? Choices, choices ...
>
> [NB: Don't I wish! I neither ski nor surf, and will most likely spend
> all day tomorrow inside imaging lots for eBay! Ah, the life of an idle
> koin deeler!]
Remind us again of California's four seasons... something like Wind,
Mudslides, Wildfires, and Earthquakes? :-D
Mr. Jaggers
Oooo, nice cut!
James
Tony Clayton
Demand was very high in the period when the country was blanketed in snow.
Since then it has generally been much milder, but more cold is forecast
--
Tony Clayton tony.cla...@pem.cam.ac.uk
Coins of the UK : http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk
Sent using RISCOS using VirtualAcorn-SA running on a PC
... Live every day like it's your last, because someday you'll be right.
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Springpatch show remains quite strong - it gets the Central IL
dealers, the STL dealers, some dealers from C-U and Peoria and the
Quad Cities. In the last three years, this show has been really
good. This last show (November '09) there were a few empty tables for
the first time in a long time (and they might have been sold, the
gents just didn't show for some reason).
The sponsor club is also well known offering a really wide inventory
of new numismatic books at a moderate discount. If it is a reasonable
drive, no hotels required, it is very well worth attending (and it is
only 7 or 8 minutes drive for me).
oly
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
news:hkn7h...@enews2.newsguy.com...
I wouldn't call it a cut, just a casual observation to put things into
perspective. My brother in Florida does the same thing, "casually"
mentioning the sunny temps, the beach, the babes. So I casually
inquire into his well-being after each hurricane, forward grotesque
news stories involving alligators, and send him pictures of snow every
Christmas.
Larry
>
> I'm born and raised here in the Los Angeles area and have never seen
> snow fall before. Have been in snow in the local mountains after it
> has fallen, but have never actually seen it come down. Have seen
> plenty of rain, though, especially in recent days!
I drove to LA in the mid 80's with my family, on a trip to mouse land.
we had one day of rain, one day of sun, then it snowed 5". had to stay
an extra day because Grapevine had slush on it when we tried to head North.
AKLarry
Tom Wayne
Yes, the Grapevine is always a problem when a big rainstorm passes
through L.A. I don't think it has snowed in Los Angeles proper or its
immediate suburbs in over 50 years. The problem in the Los Angeles
basin is that it is coldest when there are no clouds. The temp in L.A.
can dip down to freezing once or twice per year, but only when it is
clear. When it is overcast, the temperature is seldom below 40
degrees.
Bruce Remick
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Are most of you folks out there snowed in easterners? Not much RCC
>> action
>> this weekend. If you're like me, you spent part of the day shoveling and
>> the other part recuperating. 24+ inches on my 50' driveway in the N.
>> Virginia suburbs. I'll tackle the sidewalk tomorrow. No snow plow yet.
>> Fifty years ago, this would have brought out the local kids competing to
>> earn good money. But today most 70-year-olds have to do it themselves,
>> at
>> least around here, while those local kids relax inside apparently
>> counting
>> the money and blackberry Ipods their parents give them.
>
> My condolences on your weather. Itz been terrible here in San Jose this
> morning as well ... a lite sprinkle of rain to ruin the day!
I envy you at the moment, but I still think I'd prefer the rare natural dump
in Virginia than the variety of disasters many Californians have to worry
about.
>
> Tomorrow will be a tough day too ... do I spend four hours driving up to
> the mountains to go skiing, or spend a half hour driving over to the
> beach to go surfing? Choices, choices ...
Take the beach. It's closer.
Bruce Remick
"Tom Wayne" <twn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3m3um5p4brlvq5330...@4ax.com...
Just recall what you saw in the mountains and envision it having drifted
down to the ground in small pieces. That's poetry. Except for this week in
the Mid-Atlantic area.
oly
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
>
> news:hkn7h...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > mazorj wrote:
> >> "Ken Barr" <k...@kenbarr.com> wrote in message
> >>news:ken-352E39.0...@nntp.aioe.org...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Two Wednesdays back, every banker in Central Illinois wanted to show
me their forwarded e-mails - where some fellow down in Florida
(formerly) made a living by fishing stray golf balls out of ponds on
the local fairways. In this e-mail, a gator had orally removed the
fellow's arm. They was bloody photos, fer sure. It looked painful
enough.
Happily, the local authorities shot the gator, retrieved the arm. I
suppose that attempting to surgically re-attach the arm will only cost
the equivalent of 50 to 100 to 200 years of potential profits from
retrieving golf balls.
Snow and ice are good.
oly
Mr. Jaggers
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mais, zut alors, mon copain, nobody ever said it weren't difficult to
fool bankers, or for that matter, bank examiners.
And every one of the bankers was just back from a quick trip to
Florida, to boot.
oly
mazorj
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
===================================
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, oly! The fact that it involved
golf is icing (double entendre intended) on the cake when it comes to
giving a younger, golf-playing brother a playful poke in the ribs.
The only thing that could be better would be a story about a
55-year-old single ex-pat male in south Florida being totally devoured
by an alligator on the beach as he fished, baked in the sun, sipped a
cold beer, and ogled near-naked babes. :-D
At my age you'll no longer hear me say that snow and ice are good, but
childhood memories do stick with you. No winter is complete until
I've had at least one or two light downfalls with 2-3 inches
blanketing everything in white and an eerily dampened quiet, plus that
distinctive snow smell in the air. The closer to Christmas the
better.
Then I pray that it'll all be gone by the next day.
- mazorj the Hypothermic
Dr. Richard L. Hall
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Are most of you folks out there snowed in easterners? Not much RCC
>> action
>> this weekend. If you're like me, you spent part of the day shoveling and
>> the other part recuperating. 24+ inches on my 50' driveway in the N.
>> Virginia suburbs. I'll tackle the sidewalk tomorrow. No snow plow yet.
>> Fifty years ago, this would have brought out the local kids competing to
>> earn good money. But today most 70-year-olds have to do it themselves,
>> at
>> least around here, while those local kids relax inside apparently
>> counting
>> the money and blackberry Ipods their parents give them.
>
> My condolences on your weather. Itz been terrible here in San Jose this
> morning as well ... a lite sprinkle of rain to ruin the day!
>
> Tomorrow will be a tough day too ... do I spend four hours driving up to
> the mountains to go skiing, or spend a half hour driving over to the
> beach to go surfing? Choices, choices ...
>
> [NB: Don't I wish! I neither ski nor surf, and will most likely spend
> all day tomorrow inside imaging lots for eBay! Ah, the life of an idle
> koin deeler!]
>
Well! Ken! I'll bet the weather was the same when you were in Potsdam, too.
Well! here in NOVA, it is just like being at home this week. I got kind of
tired of the heat waves we were having. You know. Thirty degree
temperatures and the like, Green Christmases, etc. It is good to get some
real weather for a change.
--
Richard
http://coins.richlh.com/MyCoinLinks.htm
http://www.richlh.com
Don't lament that the rose bush has thorns. Rejoice that the thornbush has
roses. [Ancient Egyptian Saying]
Ken Barr
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
[snip]
> > My condolences on your weather. Itz been terrible here in San Jose this
> > morning as well ... a lite sprinkle of rain to ruin the day!
> >
> > Tomorrow will be a tough day too ... do I spend four hours driving up to
> > the mountains to go skiing, or spend a half hour driving over to the
> > beach to go surfing? Choices, choices ...
> >
> > [NB: Don't I wish! I neither ski nor surf, and will most likely spend
> > all day tomorrow inside imaging lots for eBay! Ah, the life of an idle
> > koin deeler!]
>
> Remind us again of California's four seasons... something like Wind,
> Mudslides, Wildfires, and Earthquakes? :-D
Close ... they're usually quoted as "Earthquake, Fire, Drought and
Mudslide". Wind is included within the Fire season ...)
It still beats Upstate New York (REAL upstate, NOT Westchester!) where I
went to college (Potsdam NY: nearest big city Montreal, Quebec ...).
which only had two seasons: Winter and The Fourth of July ...
Dr. Richard L. Hall
Having been raised in upstate NY and then moving to Northern Virginia about
32 years ago, I've seen plenty of snow fall. But I had never experienced an
earthquake. That was until one of my business trips to SF (actually Palo
Alto) several years ago. Thank you! I'll take the snow.
A thought: Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body. But rather it's to
skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
proclaiming, "Wow! What a ride!!!"
mazorj
> In article <hkn6tn$l3$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> > My condolences on your weather. Itz been terrible here in San Jose
>> > this
>> > morning as well ... a lite sprinkle of rain to ruin the day!
>> >
>> > Tomorrow will be a tough day too ... do I spend four hours driving up
>> > to
>> > the mountains to go skiing, or spend a half hour driving over to the
>> > beach to go surfing? Choices, choices ...
>> >
>> > [NB: Don't I wish! I neither ski nor surf, and will most likely spend
>> > all day tomorrow inside imaging lots for eBay! Ah, the life of an idle
>> > koin deeler!]
>>
>> Remind us again of California's four seasons... something like Wind,
>> Mudslides, Wildfires, and Earthquakes? :-D
>
> Close ... they're usually quoted as "Earthquake, Fire, Drought and
> Mudslide". Wind is included within the Fire season ...)
>
> It still beats Upstate New York (REAL upstate, NOT Westchester!) where I
> went to college (Potsdam NY: nearest big city Montreal, Quebec ...).
> which only had two seasons: Winter and The Fourth of July ...
Heh, it sounds like Lake Wobegon country.
Thanks for the correction. Out here in the East we only hear these things
about the Left Coast by rumor and speculation.
Bruce Remick
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hkpb28$cah$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
We spent this past Christmas with our daughter in Denver. They got two
snowstorms that week but I'll be darned if the stuff doesn't melt like crazy
at 25 degrees, what with the altitude, with nearly clear streets the next
day-- plowed or not. If only we could borrow some of that altitude for a
couple of weeks here in NoVA. Or some Miami sunshine.
Jerry Dennis
> Tee hee!!! � Sun shining brightly in Maine, most snow melted last
> week. Didn't get a flake this time around. I find it humorous when
> southern climes get what we are famous for. Washington DC has gotten
> more snow this season than we got all of our last season.
>
> Jud - the Gloater
Belly up to the bar, boys. I woke up this morning to two inches of
light powder in the mountains of NY. I can sympathize with the DC
area folks. I was stationed there in 1983 when the February 11-12
storm hit. Even though it was listed as 16.6 inches officially, my
neighbors on Bolling Air Force Base and I decided to shovel out the
street, and we were digging two feet or more. We finished about an
hour before the plows decided to show up. They saw what we had done
and turned around.
Jerry
Gloating with Jud, Ira and all of us other Northerners that live with
deep snow every winter.
Bruce Remick
"Jerry Dennis" <JDen...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fda99aa8-bbe3-4c7f...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 10:17?am, Jud <numismat...@aol.com> wrote:
> Tee hee!!! ? Sun shining brightly in Maine, most snow melted last
> week. Didn't get a flake this time around. I find it humorous when
> southern climes get what we are famous for. Washington DC has gotten
> more snow this season than we got all of our last season.
>
> Jud - the Gloater
Belly up to the bar, boys. I woke up this morning to two inches of
light powder in the mountains of NY. I can sympathize with the DC
area folks. I was stationed there in 1983 when the February 11-12
storm hit. Even though it was listed as 16.6 inches officially, my
neighbors on Bolling Air Force Base and I decided to shovel out the
street, and we were digging two feet or more. We finished about an
hour before the plows decided to show up. They saw what we had done
and turned around.
===================
Most of us in the DC suburbs would have been glad to have ended up with the
mere 17" officially recorded at National Airport. With all the
inconvenience we at least deserve to hear we survived a record storm. Only
about 9" more needed to break the all time annual season snow record for DC,
and we should get that by Wednesday night.
I worked for the Fed in the DC area for 33 years and only once did the govt
actually close because of weather. The only other time was during the 1968
riots.
Peter
> "Jerry Dennis" <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote in message
I remember a large accumulation in DC in '76, but do not remember the
government closing for the riots (we kept working, at least).
Bruce Remick
"Peter" <w2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2375c853-9af1-46cd...@b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
=======
In '68, as inner city employees we were first advised to stay put as lots of
smoke was visible on the near horizon, then allowed to leave when it
appeared reasonably safe. We were told to stay home the next day until the
full impact of what was happening had become clear and the situation had
become under control. When we had our blizzards, whoever could make it in
would do so, but the goverrnment was very reluctant to formally shut down.
mazorj
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Fm5cn.75447$JE2....@newsfe09.iad...
The feds have shut down again today. I can't remember the last time that
happened. It's an odd decision because limited travel, while difficult, is
possible in many areas and we're getting another 12-20 inches tonight.
Tomorrow they'll either have to shut down for the third day in a row or,
illogically, stay open and force workers to report for work or take leave.
So much for the British diplomatic corps' old misclassification of DC as a
fetid tropical zone.
Bruce Remick
Agreed. Tropical doesn't fit there.
I presume the Federal govt will indeed shut down again Wednesday for the
third day in a row. Above ground Metro still isn't running, many suburban
neighborhoods still haven't seen a plow (mine included), and we are expected
to receive at least another foot of snow by tomorrow. Schools in at least
one neighboring VA county had closed for the week as of yesterday. So far,
the country seems to be coping just fine with the Federal government running
on idle. Perhaps people will take notice.
Jud
So far,
> the country seems to be coping just fine with the Federal government running
> on idle. Perhaps people will take notice.
When the government (State or Federal) says that "non-essential"
employees need not report for work due to the weather, I say, why
don't they just stay home...FOREVER!
Mr. Jaggers
I guess we need a definition of "non-essential."
James the Parser
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Most administrative bureaucrats aren't deemed "essential" but let the feds
miss one Social Security or payroll check, or let one Congressman's pet
project get stalled because there's no one to do the paperwork, and there'll
be hell to pay. Ditto when the various regulatory agencies collapse because
there's no one there to manage their operations and inspections. Not to
mention offices like the National Weather Service (that's where all your
forecasts come from) and FEMA (no jokes from the peanut gallery, please). I
know you have a more enlightened understanding of "essential" but it's
morbidly funny that Mother Nature did what neocons have been trying for
years to accomplish - so be careful what you wish for!
I suppose we wouldn't notice if the weather kept Congress from going into
session. They've been in a partisan paralysis for so long that they can't
do squat any more anyway.
Bruce Remick
"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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=====
That's always the wrong approach. How many would acknowledge they are
"non-essential", especially as promotion time approaches?
Mr. Jaggers
Every taxpayer has his own pet definition, I presume. For every taxpayer,
the definition is different, but each will say his is the only correct one,
kind of like religion.
James the Politician
oly
I'm certain that you're trying to be friendly, and so am I, but you
people in and about the D.C. Beltway just don't have any idea about
the pulse of the country anymore.
People are really really mad. There's a great (and growing) sense
that things cannot go on in the U.S.A. as they have since 1945 or so.
I was treated to a conversation at the grocery store in a small,
relatively poor rural town yesterday. Two retired ladies and the lady
store keeper were talking (I am quite certain they know who I was and
they disregarded my presence). Now, I suppose that the two retired
ladies don't have much actual income besides Social Security (note
that a retired person with $100,000 in the bank can barely get $2,000
in TAXABLE interest income p.a. any more), and I know with certainty
that the lady store-keeper is lucky to clear two dollars per hour for
the long hours she spends at the store. These respectable ladies were
all discussing their personal handguns and how to get more ammo
inexpensively and how they aren't ever gonna give their guns up no
matter what the government says or does. I am not kidding. I walked
in during the mid-afternoon on a heated conversation in already in
progress, so they weren't staging it just because I am a state
employee.
P.S. I figure that the stock market declined strongly on Monday
2/8/2010 because the U.S. Treasury's market-"fixing" team didn't get
into work that day. they'll have to come in today to fix yesterday's
psycholgical damage of the DJIA closing below 10,000.
oly
Snowed in here in the Patch, today. Thank Goodness!!!
Mr. Jaggers
That's because each politician is afraid of some loudmouth on the radio or
TV or Internet who will tear him a new one for hours on end in front of a
large audience, and none of them is willing to grow a pair and compromise
with the other side even one millimeter. Gotta think about that corporate
payola and the next election, dontcha know. It's come down to the point
where it's all about strutting and preening.
James
Mr. Jaggers
That's because each politician is afraid of some loudmouth on the radio or
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Washington, Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, Limbaugh. Listen to
Rush more!!!
HA HA
oly
Mr. Jaggers
Huh? "You people"? I am confident that the private citizen of the D.C.
Beltway is quite capable of assessing the pulse of the country. Geography
has nothing to do with it. Broadbrush, if I ever saw it.
> People are really really mad. There's a great (and growing) sense
> that things cannot go on in the U.S.A. as they have since 1945 or so.
Funny how this long-festering boil just happened to come to a head on
1/20/09, isn't it?
> I was treated to a conversation at the grocery store in a small,
> relatively poor rural town yesterday. Two retired ladies and the lady
> store keeper were talking (I am quite certain they know who I was and
> they disregarded my presence). Now, I suppose that the two retired
> ladies don't have much actual income besides Social Security (note
> that a retired person with $100,000 in the bank can barely get $2,000
> in TAXABLE interest income p.a. any more), and I know with certainty
> that the lady store-keeper is lucky to clear two dollars per hour for
> the long hours she spends at the store. These respectable ladies were
> all discussing their personal handguns and how to get more ammo
> inexpensively and how they aren't ever gonna give their guns up no
> matter what the government says or does. I am not kidding. I walked
> in during the mid-afternoon on a heated conversation in already in
> progress, so they weren't staging it just because I am a state
> employee.
And please 'splain just whose fault it is that these ladies and clerk live
below the poverty line, and what they figure on doing with those handguns.
Wait, save your effort, I already know. It's their own fault, because they
failed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and they need those guns
to blow away them libruls.
> P.S. I figure that the stock market declined strongly on Monday
> 2/8/2010 because the U.S. Treasury's market-"fixing" team didn't get
> into work that day. they'll have to come in today to fix yesterday's
> psycholgical damage of the DJIA closing below 10,000.
The ordinary investor has virtually no effect at all on the DJ. It's the
big guys who wheel and deal by the tens and hundreds of millions who suffer
this "psychological damage", which normally consists of the realization that
they will have to settle for a medium-sized yacht until this whole thing
blows over.
James, feeling those cobwebs encroaching already
Mr. Jaggers
Huh? "You people"? I am confident that the private citizen of the D.C.
Beltway is quite capable of assessing the pulse of the country. Geography
has nothing to do with it. Broadbrush, if I ever saw it.
> People are really really mad. There's a great (and growing) sense
> that things cannot go on in the U.S.A. as they have since 1945 or so.
Funny how this long-festering boil just happened to come to a head on
1/20/09, isn't it?
> I was treated to a conversation at the grocery store in a small,
> relatively poor rural town yesterday. Two retired ladies and the lady
> store keeper were talking (I am quite certain they know who I was and
> they disregarded my presence). Now, I suppose that the two retired
> ladies don't have much actual income besides Social Security (note
> that a retired person with $100,000 in the bank can barely get $2,000
> in TAXABLE interest income p.a. any more), and I know with certainty
> that the lady store-keeper is lucky to clear two dollars per hour for
> the long hours she spends at the store. These respectable ladies were
> all discussing their personal handguns and how to get more ammo
> inexpensively and how they aren't ever gonna give their guns up no
> matter what the government says or does. I am not kidding. I walked
> in during the mid-afternoon on a heated conversation in already in
> progress, so they weren't staging it just because I am a state
> employee.
And please 'splain just whose fault it is that these ladies and clerk live
below the poverty line, and what they figure on doing with those handguns.
Wait, save your effort, I already know. It's their own fault, because they
failed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and they need those guns
to blow away them libruls.
> P.S. I figure that the stock market declined strongly on Monday
> 2/8/2010 because the U.S. Treasury's market-"fixing" team didn't get
> into work that day. they'll have to come in today to fix yesterday's
> psycholgical damage of the DJIA closing below 10,000.
The ordinary investor has virtually no effect at all on the DJ. It's the
Mr. Jaggers
You know, oly, this is one of those rare occasions where I dare not verbally
express what I'm thinking.
James the Mute
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Throughout my career, they ran that "non-essential" announcement by us every
time there was a serious storm. Most ignored the semantics and if they
could make it to work, they did, no matter their status. But each govt
agency was different. I was fortunate in that if I didn't want to come in
that day, I just called in and said so. No prior approval required, but of
course I was charged for 8 hours of leave.
Now that I'm retired, I don't have to call anyone, except maybe Meals on
Wheels. Or if I fall and can't get up.
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
NOTE: <obligatory head feint inserted here> Hey, I got three new 2010
ASE yesterday. Very pretty. And I got another 2000 nickel in
change. And how about them Millard Filmore dollars!
Mon vieux, I don't think you understand how I feel about the people in
those small towns at all. Often, I wish my life was that simple, but
a handful of them darn school teachers put too many high-falutin'
ideas in my oh so thick skull, oh so many many years ago. If you want
old coins, ranch residence, good private school for the kid, AND
foreign travel, well, you gotta keep playing the game. England, here
I come...
But, as for your blood pressure!!!
Well, let me give you a push!!! For example...
Old leftist peak-oiler, johnny-come-lately economist Jimmy Kunstler
gave a real wonderful Monday morning analysis yesterday, calling the
Tea-baggers a fledgling Nazi Party and our wonderful present socialist
Regime "The New Weimar".
Now, IMHO, we should be so lucky.
Kunstler is also calling for a technological return to the conditions
of the 17th century, which I can't see in any way shape or form.
See, see, us moronic Republicans read lot of opinions that vary from
our own, and manage to keep our blood pressure under control too!!!
Fact of the matter is, the left spectrum of American politics is
deeply deeply paranoid (and in a deep deep depression), just as much
or more so than the right spectrum.
I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to anybody.
I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text. My mind can't
hardly function in any other format. Often I gotta be able to read
the print more than once to see the gist of the message. Often I
gotta be able to read the print more than once to miss the point of
the message.
Finally, always remember that most of the media are entertainers.
There are a multitude of audiences. You can sell classical music, you
can sell pop, you can sell country & western, you can sell new age,
you can sell Big Band, ad infinitum. But as an entertainer whose
primary business is to earn a buck, you gotta be consistent with your
product 99% of the time.
IMHO, Rush is harmless when you finally realize that all he wants is
make enough money so that he doesn't EVER have to go back to
Missouri.
But when I listen to him for ten or fifteen minutes (this happens
sometimes when I ride to lunch with a co-worker), I find nothing that
I can disagree with
oly
"stirring the pot"
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, I got another 2008 nickel in change.
oly
Mr. Jaggers
Find me a 2009-D nickel and a 2009-D dime and I'll follow you anywhere. And
isn't it a shame that we have to wait until the fourth quarter of 2010 to
finally get Abe's golden buck. Maybe that will spark interest in that
series, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I don't know how many times
I've come close to emptying my Dansco and spending the ones I've already
accumulated.
> Mon vieux, I don't think you understand how I feel about the people in
> those small towns at all. Often, I wish my life was that simple, but
> a handful of them darn school teachers put too many high-falutin'
> ideas in my oh so thick skull, oh so many many years ago. If you want
> old coins, ranch residence, good private school for the kid, AND
> foreign travel, well, you gotta keep playing the game. England, here
> I come...
Education is a burden, isn't it? That's why so few are willing to bear it.
> But, as for your blood pressure!!!
>
> Well, let me give you a push!!! For example...
>
> Old leftist peak-oiler, johnny-come-lately economist Jimmy Kunstler
> gave a real wonderful Monday morning analysis yesterday, calling the
> Tea-baggers a fledgling Nazi Party and our wonderful present socialist
> Regime "The New Weimar".
He's full of it up to his eyeballs. Nothing quite like invoking Godwin's
Law whenever one is out of ideas.
> Now, IMHO, we should be so lucky.
>
> Kunstler is also calling for a technological return to the conditions
> of the 17th century, which I can't see in any way shape or form.
That modern, huh? Well, mon gars, if he is correct about peak oil, you and
I may well live to see the return of the 17th century - B.C.E.
> See, see, us moronic Republicans read lot of opinions that vary from
> our own, and manage to keep our blood pressure under control too!!!
If you identify with either major political party, I am beginning to see the
source of your problem.
> Fact of the matter is, the left spectrum of American politics is
> deeply deeply paranoid (and in a deep deep depression), just as much
> or more so than the right spectrum.
Both sides have become hopelessly jacked over, and that is just not good for
our country's future. It was bad enough before the internet and 24/7 cable,
but now, things have gotten completely out of hand.
> I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to anybody.
> I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text. My mind can't
> hardly function in any other format. Often I gotta be able to read
> the print more than once to see the gist of the message. Often I
> gotta be able to read the print more than once to miss the point of
> the message.
Nothing wrong with that, but I think you left out a word in that last
sentence.
> Finally, always remember that most of the media are entertainers.
> There are a multitude of audiences. You can sell classical music, you
> can sell pop, you can sell country & western, you can sell new age,
> you can sell Big Band, ad infinitum. But as an entertainer whose
> primary business is to earn a buck, you gotta be consistent with your
> product 99% of the time.
What you really mean is that RL's corporate sugar daddy or daddies is/are
paying him to be the ass he is 99% of the time. It sure isn't WLS's
advertising revenue that is helping pay his way. And if you think 15 hours
a week of angry bitching and belittling is entertainment, well, what more
can I say? His show makes Romper Room look like an intellectual wonderland.
> IMHO, Rush is harmless when you finally realize that all he wants is
> make enough money so that he doesn't EVER have to go back to
> Missouri.
Harmless, mon cul. Then explain why several of my longterm friends, who
never brought up politics for 30-40 years, have become completely incapable
of engaging in friendly discussion of anything, walk around in a blue funk
all the time, and are regularly sending me hate email, always directed
toward people on the left, and that condition coincides exactly with the
start of their habit of listening to RL. Sorry, I know cause and effect
when I see them.
> But when I listen to him for ten or fifteen minutes (this happens
> sometimes when I ride to lunch with a co-worker), I find nothing that
> I can disagree with
Then either you are simply not paying attention or else you are willing to
accept the BS that he shovels your way without question. Fifteen minutes
with Limbaugh for me present an opportunity to pull down books from my
personal library (that were published by honorable houses and before the
advent of all this internet BS) and find refutation of everything he says
during that quarter hour, particularly when he tries to pass off Limbaugh
math, Limbaugh science, and Limbaugh history. I can't speak for your school
days, but mine were pretty thorough, and I know what is and what isn't,
especially in those three areas. He gets by with it because his audience
either is incapable of independently verifying what he says, or else they
are willing to suspend their disbelief in return for the feeling of
validation and sense of belonging that he so aptly peddles.
James the Media Analyst
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was aware that much of your complaint against Rush was the impact
that he had on some of your acquaintances.
The beautiful thing about the hoi polloi is their ability to dispense
with a well-reasoned argument and yet still arrive at the correct
answer. They read backwards and get it correct.
This is because, of course, there really is an absolute morality in
the universe.
oly
Mr. Jaggers
You are assuming there are correct answers where politics or religion are
concerned. I do not. My world is in shades of grey. I can't help it. God
(or Nature, or an unlucky card draw by one of my parents in a pre-natal game
of Canasta) made me the way I am. My Sainted Mother used to observe this
about me regularly. Still does at age 94, bless her heart.
> This is because, of course, there really is an absolute morality in
> the universe.
We are 180 degrees apart on that issue, and I don't see where we can go with
this.
James the Skeptic
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
For some - maybe even most - that's true. But there are many earnest,
hard-working people in Congress who are absolutely sick over the way that
"take no prisoners" partisanship has made it nearly impossible to fix the
biggest and most contentious problems besetting us. As Obama told the
Democrats the other day, Republicans now have a 41-59 majority in the
Senate.
(I know that the Senate is supposed to be the calmer, more deliberate body,
what with 6-year terms, single Senators able to put secret holds on
legislation and confirmations, etc. But I'm beginning to wonder if the 60
vote cloture rule has outlived its usefulness and actually is crippling the
entire Congress. The Senate reduced it from 67 to 60, maybe it's time to
cut it to 55 or even eliminate it.)
mazorj
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f287e649-c1de-43e2...@m31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Ignoring the specious and gratuitous insult to this Washingtonian plus a few
hundred thousand others, I have to respectfully disagree at about the 90%
level, oly. Between the media and the Internet and e-mail and Twitter and
FaceBook not to mention good old snail mail and the telephone and public
appearances at meetings and rallies, the average politician is having
voters' "moods" crammed down his throat 24/7. Ditto for the average
bureaucrat, who makes up for what he lacks in exposure to this constant
stream by being part of the affected masses. If anything, between a
paranoid fear of being accused of being out of touch while being bombarded
with voter views, and the desire to exploit the seams in voter opinions,
pols probably have a better reading of the our nation's many pulses than any
of us has individually.
The 10% is the part that has always been with us, when a politician stops
running for office and goes to the capital to govern. Probably the most
dramatic example was Nixon, closeted in the White House by paranoid
fantasies. Bush wasn't nearly that bad but Cheney almost was. However,
even the best-intentioned representative loses a bit of touch and the common
touch once surrounded by the demands and perks of the job. It ain't new,
'twas ever thus.
< People are really really mad. There's a great (and growing) sense
that things cannot go on in the U.S.A. as they have since 1945 or so.
I'm not sure why you picked 1945 as your baseline, but to the extent that
presidential powers have grown since WW2 and the Manhattan Project, that's
true. The fact that Bush could seriously assert and impose the unitary
presidency theory is scary as hell. The fact that the title
Commander-in-Chief has been perverted to mean "I'm the decider for anything
and everything" is equally alarming. That's why the Founding Fathers split
the government's power three ways with checks and balances.
Most people felt that America was doing just fine from the post-war recovery
until the economic speed bumps of the 1970s alerted us that we were no
longer the massively dominant economic power. Subsequent loss of jobs
simply didn't make up for the fact that you could buy imported consumer
goods much cheaper than American made items that got outsourced.
< I was treated to a conversation at the grocery store in a small,
relatively poor rural town yesterday. Two retired ladies and the lady
store keeper were talking (I am quite certain they know who I was and
they disregarded my presence). Now, I suppose that the two retired
ladies don't have much actual income besides Social Security (note
that a retired person with $100,000 in the bank can barely get $2,000
in TAXABLE interest income p.a. any more), and I know with certainty
that the lady store-keeper is lucky to clear two dollars per hour for
the long hours she spends at the store. These respectable ladies were
all discussing their personal handguns and how to get more ammo
inexpensively and how they aren't ever gonna give their guns up no
matter what the government says or does. I am not kidding. I walked
in during the mid-afternoon on a heated conversation in already in
progress, so they weren't staging it just because I am a state
employee.
If two old ladies discussing the price of guns & ammo is your idea of what
our leaders need to pay attention to, then I'm happy with what they're doing
now - struggling with far, far bigger priorities.
Okay, it made a nice anecdotal story - pretty interesting, actually. But it
illustrates something different for me, namely my point about politicians
being bombarded with all kinds of disparate demands to "fix" America.
People with jobs and assets to protect fear increasing the national debt.
People out of work or needing medical care want the government to spend more
to help them. The two concerns are legitimate but mutually exclusive, both
sides are equally loud and adamant that their concerns are higher in
priority, and whichever side doesn't get their way will be convinced that
America is going into the toilet. Add them together and it looks like the
government is out of touch with all of them but the reality is that it is
acutely aware of both groups's concerns but can only try to fix one or the
other at a time. Other examples of this dilemma abound.
< P.S. I figure that the stock market declined strongly on Monday
2/8/2010 because the U.S. Treasury's market-"fixing" team didn't get
into work that day. they'll have to come in today to fix yesterday's
psycholgical damage of the DJIA closing below 10,000.
My take: The market got an unsustainable bounce on the combined news that
European markets are in trouble (making our position relatively stronger
against them) plus the administration's announcement that it will try to
stimulate exports for American businesses. Together they added up to hopes
for strengthening the U.S. economy via the international markets. By
Monday, the effects of the Toyota debacle on American plants and workers
became apparent, the irrational enthusiasm was gone, and profit taking was
the dominant activity. Only one of these three precipitating events was the
result of the administation's actions. Like that feather wafting up, down,
and sideways in the slightest breeze in "Forrest Gump," the stock market
follows a drunkard's walk path most of the time. Give it another excuse to
bump back up and it will.
< oly
< Snowed in here in the Patch, today. Thank Goodness!!!
Aw, you just have to rub it in, doncha? Okay, we'll see how you
snow-huggers react when you get what we're getting - 30 inches Saturday plus
another 20 inches by tomorrow, with drifts up to 6 feet. :-)
And for anyone gleefully rejoicing in the fact that the Big Bureaucracy on
the Potomac likely will be shut down for the third day in a row, remember -
taxpayers are paying tens of thousands of public servants to stay at home
and *really* do nothing!
mazorj
...
> I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to anybody.
I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text. My mind can't
hardly function in any other format. Often I gotta be able to read
the print more than once to see the gist of the message. Often I
gotta be able to read the print more than once to miss the point of
the message.
...
> IMHO, Rush is harmless when you finally realize that all he wants is
make enough money so that he doesn't EVER have to go back to Missouri.
>
> But when I listen to him for ten or fifteen minutes (this happens
sometimes when I ride to lunch with a co-worker), I find nothing that
I can disagree with
==================
Maybe you need to see his words in print.
Mr. Jaggers
Well, it is true that those on the right are held hostage by Limbaugh et al.
far more than those on the left are held hostage by Olbermann, Maddow, and
Buzzflash. You can only be so conservative (radius = 0), while liberalism
can take many forms and head in many directions. Being much more difficult
to define, liberalism takes brickbats from those too willfully ignorant to
make the effort to know what it is and understand it. Anyone who says that
Obama is a socialist, for example, has never studied socialism, etc. The
very terms conservative and liberal have been so perverted over the past two
decades that they cease to have the classic meaning that I learned in
school.
> (I know that the Senate is supposed to be the calmer, more deliberate
> body, what with 6-year terms, single Senators able to put secret
> holds on legislation and confirmations, etc. But I'm beginning to
> wonder if the 60 vote cloture rule has outlived its usefulness and
> actually is crippling the entire Congress. The Senate reduced it
> from 67 to 60, maybe it's time to cut it to 55 or even eliminate it.)
Lots of luck with that one. The filibuster will resist its own destruction,
will it not?
James the Quizzical
Mr. Jaggers
The material he has been spewing on the radio lately might be classified as
pornography if it ever saw ink.
James
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> mazorj wrote:
...
>> (I know that the Senate is supposed to be the calmer, more
>> deliberate
>> body, what with 6-year terms, single Senators able to put secret
>> holds on legislation and confirmations, etc. But I'm beginning to
>> wonder if the 60 vote cloture rule has outlived its usefulness and
>> actually is crippling the entire Congress. The Senate reduced it
>> from 67 to 60, maybe it's time to cut it to 55 or even eliminate
>> it.)
>
> Lots of luck with that one. The filibuster will resist its own
> destruction, will it not?
>
> James the Quizzical
Yes, but it overcame an even higher hurdle when they lowered it from
67 to 60. It may take mobs descending on Capitol Hill with torches
and pitchforks, demanding that democracy be allowed to work according
to something resembling majority rule, but it could happen.
Mr. Jaggers
Hey, that sounds like something the Tea Party folks might be able to
accomplish. They're big into that majority rule thing! As long as they are
the majority, of course.
James the Minor Prophet
Jud
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
> ...> I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to anybody.
>
> I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text.
Anybody can say just about anything, but backing up those words with
action is a totally different thing. Although I admit to conservative
values, I have withheld any objections to the current administration.
I figure that anyone in Obama's position should be given an
opportunity to make good on their 'words', and I give him 2 years to
do so. You can't blame the previous administration forever! So far, he
hasn't done much towards achieving his campaign promises. As for the
Nobel Peace Prize...I can't find ANY justification for Obama receiving
it. Words, all words, and no observable results.
Mr. Jaggers
Consider the verifiable fact that Obama has toured the world representing
our country as one desiring peace and treating others as human beings
instead of demonizing this country or that ethnicity, and you have one
justification. True, they are words, but it's a start. Our reputation in
the world community had been theretofore rather tarnished, to say the least.
Whether that is enough to warrant the award of the Prize to Obama is wholly
within the purview of someone other than you and me. If you have a genuine
desire to see the most worthy individual receive the prize, you'll have to
figure out a way to get yourself on the committees that do the nominating
and the choosing.
And now, it is time to trot out Jaggers' Rule #3 of Usenet: "As a thread
continues off topic, the probability that someone, who never joins a
discussion about coins, will post his contempt for others who are not
talking about coins, approaches one."
James the Rulegiver
Petronius
> Consider the verifiable fact that Obama has toured the world representing our
> country as one desiring peace and treating others as human beings instead of
> demonizing this country or that ethnicity, and you have one justification.
> True, they are words, but it's a start.
Obama is long on hot air, short on action.
The longer he dithers and leaves things up to the Congress, the more ineffectual
he appears.
I didn't vote for him but I am not an Obama hater, I just think he's an empty
suit and his administration is doomed to failure.
I predict that barring a miraculous economic recovery, he will be a 1 term
POTUS.
Which in many ways is a shame, since he is an intelligent guy and has some, if
not many, ideas that I readily agree with.
His relative political inexperience and the course of his administration reminds
me in many ways of the failed Carter administration.
Mr. Jaggers
What specific action would you like the President to take that are in his
purview? Your answer to that question is far more important than whether
he gets a second term. We've heard more than enough from problem finders
lately, it's time to hear from problem-solvers.
James
Mr. Jaggers
What specific action would you like the President to take that are in his
Mr. Jaggers
Please excuse the double-posting. The problem is somewhere on this end, but
I suspect my ISP.
James the Redundant
Petronius
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Were I POTUS, I would have created a health plan rather than leave it up to the
Congress.
I would also unilaterally have withdrawn our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
That's just 2 things, there are more but those are the most important.
So far, Obama has sat on his black ass in the White House and provided ZERO
leadership, IMO.
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Personally, I'd like to see him take a breath from attempting to "fix" every
need and problem in the country during his first year in office.
Stimulus-wise, I see a lot more convincing examples of waste of the billions
distributed than I do examples of successful uses of funds. I can
understand why so many taxpayers feel helpless when these wasteful examples
often are dismissed as trivial.
As for health care, instead of trying to "reform" everything, I'd like to
see Obama recognize that the high costs he wants to eliminate are not all
due to insurers as much as they reflect the wildly increasing cost of
doctors, hospitals, and medicines which insurers inevitably have to keep up
with. I guess I don't understand what is so special or unique about health
insurance that it can't be carried or transferred from state to state like
most other forms of insurance. Republicans have some valid ideas.
Democrats have some valid ideas. It amazes me that there no skilled
facilitator has been found by now who could broker some brainstorm sessions
and craft a bipartisan bill that would address specific problems. Other
stuff could be added later if necessary once the smoke clears.
I'm impatient and ready for a change already. But I don't have a clue as to
who I would feel more confident to have in there.
Mr. Jaggers
Ignoring the gratuitous "black ass" pejorative for the moment, I must
guardedly agree with what you say. Guardedly, because, had he created a
health plan on his own, it would deprive our Legislators the forum in which
they could strut and preen and shoot off their mouths as they have been
doing for many months, and in your heart of hearts, you know that to be the
sine qua non of their perception of their roles. It's more important to
them that they get to do that every single time than to actually put their
country's needs first. It's a good thought, but virtually unworkable, as
over 200 years of history show.
As for withdrawing from the wars, that too is a noble pursuit. You will, of
course, recollect that he opposed going in in the first place, but was not
in a position to do any more than jawbone about it in the Illinois Senate.
Now, many years later, he is faced with a situation that has no easy and
certainly no quick solution. The situation in the Middle East is far more
delicate than most American voters can possibly conceive. One wrong move
over there, and poof! goes a nuke, and then the world - my world, your
world - changes forever. To think that what happens over there will not
have a major impact on the survival of our country could indeed prove fatal.
Now, about that "black ass" comment. You have taken a cheap, racist
potshot. My dialog with you is over.
James
Petronius
> Now, about that "black ass" comment. You have taken a cheap, racist potshot.
> My dialog with you is over.
I'm crushed...
Mr. Jaggers
I didn't start paying much attention to politics until Ronald Reagan was
President. I remember intensely listening to his State of the Union
addresses. Specifically, I heard him say in virtually every one of his
speeches that he wanted to do something about waste and corruption in
government. We all know, or at least suspect, that waste and corruption are
the largest line item in any governmental budget, but because it is written
in invisible ink, we can't assess its extent. In any event, as I am sure
you will agree, nothing was done about it by RR or any other President since
him, and probably not any President before him. If you can point me to a
U.S. President who made big strides in that direction, no matter what the
era, I'm all eyes and ears. I'd like to see the Tea Party folks make
something happen in that direction, but I'm afraid the problem is not only
bigger than they are, but way bigger than they think they are. To use Jack
Robinson's words in the introductory material to Copper Quotes by Robinson
(a coin book, in case anyone is wondering), "Think about it. Think about it
some more."
> As for health care, instead of trying to "reform" everything, I'd
> like to see Obama recognize that the high costs he wants to eliminate
> are not all due to insurers as much as they reflect the wildly
> increasing cost of doctors, hospitals, and medicines which insurers
> inevitably have to keep up with. I guess I don't understand what is
> so special or unique about health insurance that it can't be carried
> or transferred from state to state like most other forms of
> insurance. Republicans have some valid ideas. Democrats have some
> valid ideas. It amazes me that there no skilled facilitator has
> been found by now who could broker some brainstorm sessions and craft
> a bipartisan bill that would address specific problems. Other stuff
> could be added later if necessary once the smoke clears.
Exactly. Perhaps we are now seeing the initial overtures being made by the
President, but of course, right away we also have seen the now-obligatory
"my way or the highway" opposition. I'd love to see our Federal government
work again, but as I observed in a different part of this thread, there are
both internal and external reasons why it will not.
> I'm impatient and ready for a change already. But I don't have a
> clue as to who I would feel more confident to have in there.
Even though our Constitution specifically proscribes a religious test for
public office, there is one de facto. Thus, the pool of possible candidates
who could effect the changes that need to be made is diminished far more
than anyone is liable to admit. First, we have to eliminate the 15% or so
of the population who say they have "no religion.", then eliminate anyone
who professes any of those "non-standard" faiths. Then eliminate anyone who
is gay or even suspected of being gay. Then... oh, why bother to list any
more, I've already set up enough restrictions to disqualify people of the
calibre of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln from ever passing
primary muster.
James
Mr. Jaggers
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
James
Petronius
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
But you do.
People like you make me laugh. You feel any mention of Obama's race is, well,
racist.
He's black, therefore his ass is black,
Get over yourself..
mazorj
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
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No, you're a bigot. One word sometimes tells more about where a writer is
coming from, and going toward, than everything else in his opus.
Jerry Dennis
> Bruce Remick wrote:
> > "Jud" <numismat...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:b3ba5127-ab71-499e...@o16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 9, 9:28 am, "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
> > �So far,
> >> the country seems to be coping just fine with the Federal government
> >> running
> >> on idle. Perhaps people will take notice.
>
> > When the government (State or Federal) says that "non-essential"
> > employees need not report for work due to the weather, I say, why
> > don't they just stay home...FOREVER!
>
> > That's always the wrong approach. �How many would acknowledge they are
> > "non-essential", especially as promotion time approaches?
>
> Every taxpayer has his own pet definition, I presume. �For every taxpayer,
> the definition is different, but each will say his is the only correct one,
> kind of like religion.
>
> James the Politician- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I would put forth that, as taxpayers, each of us is entitled to our
own definition (that "opinions are like..." thing). I have always
stated that if taxpayers got true value for their tax dollars, half of
the government workers would get a bill every month, and we'd have to
fire the other half because we couldn't afford to pay them their true
worth.
Jerry
Ranting, politically, continually, apologetically
Petronius
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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But we already know that.
Mr. Jaggers
> On Feb 9, 11:03?am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>> Bruce Remick wrote:
>>> "Jud" <numismat...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b3ba5127-ab71-499e...@o16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 9, 9:28 am, "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> the country seems to be coping just fine with the Federal
>>>> government running
>>>> on idle. Perhaps people will take notice.
>>
>>> When the government (State or Federal) says that "non-essential"
>>> employees need not report for work due to the weather, I say, why
>>> don't they just stay home...FOREVER!
>>> =====
>>
>>> are "non-essential", especially as promotion time approaches?
>>
>> taxpayer, the definition is different, but each will say his is the
>> only correct one, kind of like religion.
>>
>> James the Politician- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I would put forth that, as taxpayers, each of us is entitled to our
> own definition (that "opinions are like..." thing). I have always
> stated that if taxpayers got true value for their tax dollars, half of
> the government workers would get a bill every month, and we'd have to
> fire the other half because we couldn't afford to pay them their true
> worth.
>
> Jerry
> Ranting, politically, continually, apologetically
LOL! No apology needed, you speak considerable truth, and you're not
claiming that it's the only truth. But then, one could make the same
observation about the employees of any private sector organization as well.
Instead of taxes, it's called corporate profit.
James the Unabashed
mazorj
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
Everyone knows he's black, so the insertion of the word "black" is redundant
and, in your case, gratuitous and therefore revealing. A reference to Bush
"getting off his white ass" would be equally revealing and would draw
accusations that the speaker is a white-hating racist.
You're probably not a card-carrying member of the KKK but you do harbor
resentment and anger at blacks. Like the alcohol abuser who insists that he
doesn't have a drinking problem because he only drinks one six-pack a day,
doesn't use hard liquor and isn't a falling-down drunk, you smugly reject
any suggestions that you have a racism problem. Hell, you probably even
have a few blacks that you get along with, so you can't possibly be a
racist, right?
Get to know yourself.
mazorj
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
You're really rcc's really weird fellow.
Petronius
You say that as if it is something bad.
If you think that anybody that calls Obama black is a bigot, you've a long, hard
row to hoe...
mazorj
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
It is, but it's also something else.
> If you think that anybody that calls Obama black is a bigot, you've a
> long, hard row to hoe...
Not anyone at any time - there are many situations where referencing his
race is legitimate and necessary - just those who gratuitously insert it as
a slur. I know a racist whining fathead when I see one.
mazorj
"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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========================
You might want to look at the facts. Not bad for just the first year in
office while getting bogged down in health care and going up against a bunch
of "Just say no!" Republicans. Who knows how many he'll fulfill by the end
of that second year.
mazorj
"Jerry Dennis" <JDen...@aol.com> wrote in message
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=============================
Kind of like the CEO who complained that "I know that half my advertising
dollars are a waste. I just don't know which half."
Petronius
> I know a racist whining fathead when I see one.
Like in the mirror?
Petronius
>
> "Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:c8c8eb05-fb42-491e...@36g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
>
>> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
>> ...> I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to anybody.
>>
>> I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text.
>
> < Anybody can say just about anything, but backing up those words with
> action is a totally different thing. Although I admit to conservative
> values, I have withheld any objections to the current administration.
> I figure that anyone in Obama's position should be given an
> opportunity to make good on their 'words', and I give him 2 years to
> do so. You can't blame the previous administration forever! So far, he
> hasn't done much towards achieving his campaign promises. As for the
> Nobel Peace Prize...I can't find ANY justification for Obama receiving
> it. Words, all words, and no observable results.
> ========================
>
> You might want to look at the facts.
The facts:
No health care plan enacted
Troops still in Iraq & Afghanistan
Economy still a mess
Unemployment still very high
Republicans on the comeback trail
Yep, no doubt about it, Obama's doing a great job.
Oh and by the way PLONK!
mazorj
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
How profound. The fact that you have been reduced to UseNet IKYABWAI dodges
also is revealing.
mazorj
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hkulsk$pau$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:c8c8eb05-fb42-491e...@36g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> ...> I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to
>>> anybody.
>>>
>>> I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text.
>>
>> < Anybody can say just about anything, but backing up those words with
>> action is a totally different thing. Although I admit to conservative
>> values, I have withheld any objections to the current administration.
>> I figure that anyone in Obama's position should be given an
>> opportunity to make good on their 'words', and I give him 2 years to
>> do so. You can't blame the previous administration forever! So far, he
>> hasn't done much towards achieving his campaign promises. As for the
>> Nobel Peace Prize...I can't find ANY justification for Obama receiving
>> it. Words, all words, and no observable results.
>> ========================
>>
>> You might want to look at the facts.
>
> The facts:
> No health care plan enacted
Duh, why? "Just say NO!"
> Troops still in Iraq & Afghanistan
They'll be reduced to token levels.
> Economy still a mess
His name is Obama, not God.
> Unemployment still very high
Not as high as it would have been.
> Republicans on the comeback trail
What president hasn't seen a revival of the opposition in the second year of
his term?
> Yep, no doubt about it, Obama's doing a great job.
> Oh and by the way PLONK!
Coward.
Donald Weber
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>
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hkulsk$pau$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:c8c8eb05-fb42-491e...@36g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> ...> I don't hardly listen to Rush, I just can't hardly listen to
>>> anybody.
>>>
>>> I am a word person, I have to rely on printed text.
>>
>> < Anybody can say just about anything, but backing up those words with
>> action is a totally different thing. Although I admit to conservative
>> values, I have withheld any objections to the current administration.
>> I figure that anyone in Obama's position should be given an
>> opportunity to make good on their 'words', and I give him 2 years to
>> do so. You can't blame the previous administration forever! So far, he
>> hasn't done much towards achieving his campaign promises. As for the
>> Nobel Peace Prize...I can't find ANY justification for Obama receiving
>> it. Words, all words, and no observable results.
>> ========================
>>
>>> You might want to look at the facts.
>>
>> The facts:
> >No health care plan enacted
>Duh, why? "Just say NO!"
Up untill last week, the Democratic Congress (Both Houses) had full control.
If President Obama can't reign in his own party. Oh Well.
>> Troops still in Iraq & Afghanistan
> They'll be reduced to token levels.
HUH???? In Iraq, Yes, full withdrawl within a couple years I'd guess.
Afganastan? Not unless you know something I don't. We are not fighting
insurgents from other countries, This is the Taliban. Kinda like the
Vietnamese. How do you beat a enemy who thinks a vacation is some shade and
a bowl of rice. We haven't learned the lessons of the British or the
Soviets.
> Economy still a mess
His name is Obama, not God.
> Unemployment still very high
Not as high as it would have been.
But STILL exceeded the 8.5% he said it never would if the stimulus bill
passed.
> Republicans on the comeback trail
What president hasn't seen a revival of the opposition in the second year of
his term?
BUSH 2002, First time in a long time a first President saw Increases in both
houses for his party
Jud
> You might want to look at the facts. Not bad for just the first year in
> office while getting bogged down in health care and going up against a bunch
> of "Just say no!" Republicans. Who knows how many he'll fulfill by the end
> of that second year.
>
> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
I didn't see the closing of Guantanamo in a year as a 'broken
promise'. I didn't see getting ALL of our troops out of Iraq by June,
2010 in the 'In the works' category either. Although getting the
health care debates on C-Span did show up in the broken promises list,
I didn't see his 'transparency' promise anywhere (although I didn't
look too hard). Like I said, I will withhold judgement for another 11
months. I do wish him well. He IS our president, yes, mine as much as
the ones who voted for him. 'Pie in the sky' promises that aren't
achievable other than as a promise with no action don't sit well with
me, no matter who makes the promise.
Jud - Still waiting to sip the Kool-Aid
Bruce Remick
=========
I have little faith in improvement as long as the Dems believe that
spending billions around will create jobs. If I run a company that makes
folding chairs and have had to lay off fifty people because of decreased
business, giving me stimulus money to hire or rehire employees will not
increase my business and the new hires will sit around all day drawing a
subsidized paycheck. More spending customers create the need for new jobs.
Not handouts or incentives to small business owners.
I don't particularly like the closed door stuff and slick political
maneuvering as a means to get ones way with health care or anything else. I
think Obama has an opportunity to address any number of issues that need
attention. I'd like to see him adopt a more surgical approach than the
grandiose "reforms" we end up reading about. Much more chance for success
and easier to make adjustments as needed.
I believe we're wasting valuable lives in Afghanistan in the belief that
this tribal country will ever respect a central government and that the
Taliban can be defeated or "bought". We went in there to go after Bin Laden
and Al Qaida. Now we're essentially involved with nation building again--
the same thing we originally claimed we would NOT do in Iraq.
I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows. As for
snow........................
Petronius
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> I have little faith in improvement as long as the Dems believe that
> spending billions around will create jobs. If I run a company that makes
> folding chairs and have had to lay off fifty people because of decreased
> business, giving me stimulus money to hire or rehire employees will not
> increase my business and the new hires will sit around all day drawing a
> subsidized paycheck. More spending customers create the need for new jobs.
> Not handouts or incentives to small business owners.
Those workers in your folding chair company will now have money so they can go
out and buy the products of Amalgamated Widget.
Amalgamated Widget then has to hire more employees, some of whom will buy your
folding chairs.
Et cetera, so forth and so on...
Bruce Remick
"Petronius" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
Giving companies (my) money to hire people who they have no work for is
stupid. Why not avoid the middle man and give the billions to taxpayers,
including those who will be more apt to use some of their "extra" money to
buy a folding chair.
Mr. Jaggers
Ah, Frankie Lane, where are you now? If you can hear us, please phone home.
After a lengthy and exhaustive analysis of over 200 years of American
history, I have come to a startling conclusion regarding the difference
between the Democrats and the Republicans.
Under the Republicans, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Under
the Democrats, it is just the opposite: the poor get poorer and the rich
get richer.
James, Settling the Issue Once and For All