Michael Marotta: Coin collectors are liars
realcoin...@yahoo.com
until you answer me. I demand an explanation and not a sleazy
politician answer that skips the question. Im The Coin Collector thats
my Delusion of Grandeur haha. You need to explain yourself since you
write for the ANA magazine. Do you really believe thqt coin collectors
"in general" are liars and that cheating is irrelevant ??? Thats what
you said.
On June 30, 2001 Michael Marota started a thread that he named "Coin
Collectors are Bullies" in the newsgroup
humanities.philosophy.objectivism. In the first post he said
"The most successful collectors and dealers I have met are people who
display obvious symptoms of low self esteem: slouching for instance.
Lying about anything and everything from the weather to the published
price of a coin is typical".
In the same post Michael Marotta said [coin collectors] "substitute
the ownership of things that impress other people for
actually feeling good about who they are. Never having built or
invented or created anything, they succeed in the eyes of others by
overpowering others".
In this same post Michael Marotta said "these are GENERALIZATIONS
about a large group of people".
You can read Michael Marottas entire post here:
http://groups.google.com/group/humanities.philosophy.objectivism/msg/34990e037d4ed640
Michael Marotta also said cheating is irrelevant if you enter a coin
deal with free choice.
Here are his words:
Michael Marotta started a thread in rec.collecting.coins on December
10, 2000 and he named it "Dishonest Collectors". Michael Marotta
wrote:
"Once we accept that a transaction is freely entered into, whether or
not someone gets "cheated" is irrelevant".
You can read the entire post here:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.collecting.coins/msg/81901bb967b1f513
Michael Marotta you also didnt answer if it was OK to cheat in other
areas that you freely enter into such as job interviewas. Is it
irrelevant to do other things to people when they freely enter into
something. When a parent drops a kid off at school can the school or
teacher do anything it wants because the parent freely did this. What
about a doctor when you freely go to him can he do anything he wants
because you freely did this. Why is cheating in a coin deal
"irrelevant". You dont answer this. Why ??? Is it irrelevant when
tehese sleazy mail order coin dealers call old people and cheat them
out of thousands of dollars with modern coins worth little more than
face. Is it irrelevant for cheating slabbing service to cheat
collectors by putting VF20 coins in AU50 slabs so cheating dealers can
sell them at XF40 prices. Why did you say this is the "noblest human
endeavour".
I am The Coin Collector and I demand and explanation from you.
celtex
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If this group is any indication of the civility and friendliness of the Coin
Collector Community then I am not interested. The short time I have been
visiting and trying to learn something about what I thought to be a great
hobby, that dove's tail with my detecting, I have seen some vial and uncivil
responses to question or post. Most seemed to me to be undeserving of the
tone delivered. You guys can bitch about each other and complain about eBay
all you want, for me I'll go to the more friendly metal detecting/treasure
hunting forums. They are more friendly and helpful than this group.
Jim
RWF
"celtex" <jimdn...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
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> If this group is any indication of the civility and friendliness of
> the Coin Collector Community then I am not interested. The short time
> I have been visiting and trying to learn something about what I
> thought to be a great hobby, that dove's tail with my detecting, I
> have seen some vial and uncivil responses to question or post. Most
> seemed to me to be undeserving of the tone delivered. You guys can
> bitch about each other and complain about eBay all you want, for me
> I'll go to the more friendly metal detecting/treasure hunting forums.
> They are more friendly and helpful than this group.
> Jim
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
stonej
> the Coin Collector Community then I am not interested.
No it is not an indication, flame wars used to be common here but that
died out years ago.
Mike shows up from time to time with various observations about
numismatics but I cannot remember
him responding to anything posted in reply to his observations, he
just doesn't care to for whatever reason.
Mr. Jaggers
No one here can control anything that anyone else posts. This can be viewed
as a liability or an asset, your call. You received assistance from me when
you posted a query regarding a Morgan dollar back in early February, as well
as a response to your inquiry regarding eBay shortly after that. Now you
come back and broadbrush the lot of us and cast aspersion on our hobby to
boot, all this in response to a post that was not directed at you and had
nothing to do with you.
James
Arizona Coin Collector
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Hello "realcoincollector"
I would say your obsession with Michael Marotta
borders on internet stalking, or a mental block
to just let it go.
Time to move forward.
RWF
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> No one here can control anything that anyone else posts. This can be
> viewed as a liability or an asset, your call. You received assistance
> from me when you posted a query regarding a Morgan dollar back in
> early February, as well as a response to your inquiry regarding eBay
> shortly after that. Now you come back and broadbrush the lot of us
> and cast aspersion on our hobby to boot, all this in response to a
> post that was not directed at you and had nothing to do with you.
It wouldn't surprise me if "celtex" was really Fwankie.
celtex
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And you are the worst of all of the others, I have gleamed some great
information here but your rudeness and incivility is totally uncalled for.
You are a pompous jerk. Too bad you seem to know the coins as well. You're
too much a jerk to try to learn from. Not fwankie whoever that is... Just a
newbie trying to learn.
celtex
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low today. But the post can be really personal here. I guess I am a little
to sensitive today. Or maybe its my time of the month??? :) Anyway I am
sorry for broad brushing all of you based on a small few. Please accept my
apologies and will try to be less a whussy in future.
RWF
Thought you were leaving, jackass.
Mr. Jaggers
No problem, it's not always easy to stay one's hand, and our media-drunk
society sees fewer and fewer examples of polite discourse. In all things,
the ancient Chinese poet counselled, "Ay, take the grain, and let the chaff
go." I have found that advice to be one of the great values in life.
James
mazorj
"RWF" <R...@0903.invalid> wrote in message
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Too late. He pegged you perfectly. How soon before you
plonk him?
ank...@aol.com
> Why dont you answer me Michael Marotta. Im going to continue posting
> until you answer me. I demand an explanation and not a sleazy
> politician answer that skips the question. Im The Coin Collector thats
> my Delusion of Grandeur haha. You need to explain yourself since you
> write for the ANA magazine. Do you really believe thqt coin collectors
> "in general" are liars and that cheating is irrelevant ??? Thats what
> you said.
>
> On June 30, 2001 Michael Marota started a thread that he named "Coin
> Collectors are Bullies" in the newsgroup
> humanities.philosophy.objectivism. In the first post he said
>
> "The most successful collectors and dealers I have met are people who
> display obvious symptoms of low self esteem: slouching for instance.
> Lying about anything and everything from the weather to the published
> price of a coin is typical".
>
> In the same post Michael Marotta said [coin collectors] "substitute
> the ownership of things that impress other people for
> actually feeling good about who they are. �Never having built or
> invented or created anything, they succeed in the eyes of others by
> overpowering others".
>
> In this same post Michael Marotta said "these are GENERALIZATIONS
> about a large group of people".
>
> You can read Michael Marottas entire post here:
>
Help! Is there an exorcist in the house???
j-rod
Yes, it's called a kill file or message filter.
Set up your news reader to eliminate posts from our resident trolls.
JAM
part...@yahoo.com
> Help! Is there an exorcist in the house???
Expelliarmus!
-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
(Hey, it worked for William Shakespeare on _Doctor Who_...)
ank...@aol.com
Hey, Robert! I thought of you the other day! Check this out:
http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/apolluxx/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=1539&large=0
~Ann
Matthew
> On Mar 8, 6:43?pm, parthi...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Mar 8, 8:36?am, ank...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Help! ?Is there an exorcist in the house???
>>
>> Expelliarmus!
>>
>> -Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
>> (Hey, it worked for William Shakespeare on _Doctor Who_...)
>
> Hey, Robert! I thought of you the other day! Check this out:
>
> http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/apolluxx/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=1539&large=0
>
> ~Ann
For others out there interested in Parthian coins and in case $700 for "Ten
Dragons Against Rome" seems a bit pricey, the CNG 36 Auction catalog can be
found if you have patience and is generally less than $100. It is the Fred
Shore Parthian Coins auction and uses the Shore numbers for the coins, the
same attributions and coins that the Ten Dragons book was based on. It's a
nice catalog.
Ivan
> "Ten Dragons Against Rome" seems a bit pricey
There is one on abebooks.com for $400
part...@yahoo.com
> Hey, Robert! I thought of you the other day! Check this out:
>
>
> ~Ann
Wow, that price (and the other quoted prices for the Shore book and
CNG catalogue) seem crazy to me. I paid $50 for my copy shortly after
it went out of print, and so it still feels like a $50 book to me.
Hmm, right now I keep my coins in a bank safety deposit box and my
reference books at home. Maybe I should do it the other way around?
-Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
Matthew
A couple years ago when I got interested in Parthians I bought CNG 36 and
Sellwood for a little under $200 for the pair. I passed on the "Ten
Dragons..." for $300. If only I had known then....
ank...@aol.com
>�I paid $50 for my copy shortly after it went out of print, and so it still feels like a $50 book to me.
>
> Hmm, right now I keep my coins in a bank safety deposit box and my
> reference books at home. �Maybe I should do it the other way around?
>
> -Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
Lucky you!
~Anka
realcoin...@yahoo.com
about Michael Marota saying coin collectors are liars and cheating is
irrelevent. Do you think this is right. I think Michael Marotta should
explain himself. As Ricky says to Lucy, you got some splainin to do. I
think Michael Marotta has some splainin to do to coin collectors and
not just say that we can benefit from what he says !!!
Jud
I guess that you either got tired of stating your own case and are
looking for support, or are just trying to beat this dead horse some
more.
Bruce Remick
"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Actually, I think he secretly admires Marotta to the extent that he presumes
all collectors are looking to him as the Greenspan of numismatics. Any
unexplained negative comments from Marotta could spell doom for the hobby.
Otherwise, it's pretty apparent that nobody really gives a shit what Marotta
said or what realcoincollector thinks about it.
Mr. Jaggers
Speaking only for myself, I certainly don't, and I certainly don't.
James
note.boy
"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
mazorj
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> RWF and realcoincollector may be the one troll. Billy
I doubt it. Finnan's posts are almost entirely reactive. He rags on
a few favorite targets whenever they post, but he doesn't exhibit the
requisite ambition to keep starting new attack threads against the
same individual. OTOH, "realcoincollector" may be a sock puppet for
another regular here.
realcoin...@yahoo.com
> Actually, I think he secretly admiresMarottato the extent that he presumes
> all collectors are looking to him as the Greenspan of numismatics. Any
>
> Otherwise, it's pretty apparent that nobody really gives a shit whatMarotta
> said or what realcoincollector thinks about it.
I just want Michael Marotta toexplain himself.when he says coin
collectors "in general" are liars but he isnt and thatt cheating is
irrelevent because you enter a coin deal with free choice. He has a
responsibilty to explain himself becaue hes a writer for the ANA. Even
if you dont agree with him and who agrees with him dont you think he
should explain himself or just talk garbage without explaining. What
does he mean and what are his reasons. Thats all
Bruce Remick
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So why not call him up and ask him? Or send him an email. You're obviously
the only one who cares.