December 7, 1941 - a date that will live in infamy.
Payback's a bitch!
I had that thought, especially as the prevailing winds the last 48
hours seem to be headed straight down to Tokyo (and back towards
Asia).
oly
oly
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I've always felt that Japan was not punished severely enough for the atrocities
they committed in WWII.
Not to mention the economic warfare they waged on the USA in the 70s & 80s.
I have no sympathy for the people of Japan, thinking they are just getting their
karmic comeuppance.
Well, I'm a good conservative GOP youth, on paper I believe in
everything good and beautiful about my own country, but I don't wish
karmic retribution on any other nation because the U.S.A. is
relatively overdue.
When America is good, we are very very good. And when we are bad, we
are very very bad and have great practice at denial techniques.
So I tread lightly on/around tempting karmic retribution.
More link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12723092
This Beeb guy makes one major mistatement about past nuclear
accidents, but this is far more truthful than you'll likely see in our
U.S. Press and Media.
oly
It's worth noting too that Fukushima may not be Chernobyl (as yet),
but it is already well past the Three Mile Island incident.
oly
> December 7, 1941 - a date that will live in infamy.
> Payback's a bitch!
I remember many years ago how Azeris were rejoicing with the earthquake that
hit Armenia and the thousands of dead Armenians (the two countries were at
war that time over Nagorno Karabakh).
A couple months later another earthquake hit Azerbaijan this time killing
thousands of
Azeris...
It seems that lessons are quickly forgotten in our world...
>
> December 7, 1941 - a date that will live in infamy.
> Payback's a bitch!
I had always thought that Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the payback.
Silly me!
If there hadn't been a Pearl Harbor, there wouldn't have been a
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
That's totally the truth of the matter (but that was a different
generation of people).
Nevertheles, you're a complete and total twat.
oly
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They were just the down payment.
Japan never fully atoned for Pearl Harbor, the Bataan death march, the rape of
Nanking and the thousands of other atrocities in the 1930s and 1940s.
I have absolutely no sympathy for those cunning little yellow devils.
> If there hadn't been a Pearl Harbor, there wouldn't have been a
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> That's totally the truth of the matter (but that was a different
> generation of people).
>
> Nevertheles, you're a complete and total twat.
>
> oly
Nobody is arguing that Pearl Harbor wasn't the catalyst for the
bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is my opinion, to which I am
entitled, that the total destruction of 2 of Japan's largest cities
was just retribution.
However, you have debased your comments with an uncalled for flame. If
that's what you want Oly, let the games begin. Come back with a
similar response, and it's 'game on'!
> "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne>
>news:ilg0ij$b1u$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> December 7, 1941 - a date that will live in infamy.
>> Payback's a bitch!
>I remember many years ago how Azeris were rejoicing with the earthquake ...
I should probably try to find Beanie's original comments in-context, but I
just don't have any energy to spend trying to remove the asshole from his
words ... tell me that you quoted him out of context and he didn't make
another moronic "put a gun in your mouth" remark?
I'm shaking my head, 'cause I know what the answer will be.
It's ironic that I always find his posts like this, well, ironic. What a
dimwit. What's "payback" for living your life a nasty dimwit?
Nick
Why don't you tell us, since you should know?
Jud, Very very sorry, I momentarily mistook you for JAM.
oly
> Jud, Very very sorry, I momentarily mistook you for JAM.
>
> oly
Apology graciously accepted! It takes a big man to admit a mistake,
and I appreciate it!
Jud
Again, very very sorry.
oly
Perhaps you might like to go run 5 or 10 gallons of water into
pitchers while it is still relatively uncontaminated.
oly
oly
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Right now, I'd be more concerned about those toxic sardines in California.
I don't do sardines, but pray tell what's up with the nasty little
things?
oly
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My wife leaves the room whenever I open a can of sardines to make myself a
sandwich enhanced with a little mustard. As for the recent concern......
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110312/ap_on_re_us/us_fish_die_off
Hoping the price of sardines won't be joining the price of gasoline. I'd
hate to have to change my lifestyle again.
They will probably make millions selling kobe beef that glows in the
dark.
beekeep
It may be that the destruction of Tokyo and some other cities that
were firebombed did somewhat more damage.
Even so, it is a bit early to draw conclusions about what the results
of this mess will be. At this point (a few days after the event),
many were sure that Three Mile Island was the end of the world.
I just heard that Godilla, Rodan, Mothra and Ghidrah are advancing on Tokyo!
After the Japs pumped raw sea-water into Fukushima Reactors 1 and 3,
Godzilla may soon have some new brothers and sisters.
Actually, things may be taking a turn for the worse:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/nhk-reports-explosion-white-smoke-rising-fukushima-reactor-3
oly
This looks impressive, but I can never tell whether this shit is
photoshopped or what:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx6IS0vrZOk&feature=youtu.be
The American press is already saying "Nothing happened, move along..."
oly
As you can see, the Monday 14 March explosion was "chunkier" than the
earlier explosion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa58Yjcnkq8&NR=1
oly
That's a really awful thing to say. The war has been over 65 years.
Japan
surrendered unconditionally. And your "cunning yellow devil" remark
is racist.
> And your "cunning yellow devil" remark is racist.
Just a line from numerous WWII movies, bub. You can unclench your butt now.
Rather than saying silly things you could take a look at this:
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
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Do you find it difficult to sit with that big stick up your butt?
Your linked article is essentially the worst case (not much release of
radioactive stuff), IF the containment vessels hold.
IF NOT, then you get more towards the Chernobyl end of the spectrum.
There also seems to be a question of "spent fuel" which is kept in
pools of water in these buildings after removal from the reactors.
Did that stuff get ejected in the explosions???
All in all, the earthquake was a lot more powerful than anything
envisioned, and both the Japanese and Americans who designed these
things might be guilty of more than a little hubris.
In Russia, they could abandon a large amount of land around
Chernobyl. This is a luxury that the Japanese may not have.
I can appreciate where Mr. Bean is coming from with his strong dislike
of the Japanese. I hesitate to join in because America today does a
lot of things that we shouldn't be doing, and our turn in the barrel
is probably overdue.
oly
Supposedly whatever the radiation levels are, they are twice as high
as yesterday.
Also, Fukushima Reactor # 2 is supposedly not doing good.
There are (were) six reactors at this plant; three were shut down for
maintainance at the time of the eartquake!!
Good link:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/satellite-photo-reactor-1-and-3-explosions-fukushima
oly
Good link:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/satellite-photo-reactor-1-and-3-explosions-fukushima
oly
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The USA is over $1 trillion in debt and borrowing more every day.
Naturally Obammy wants to just outright give our borrowed money to Japan.
Borrow money to give it away?!?!?!?!
Does that make sense to you? Me either!
I don't give a flying fuck about Japan, Haiti or the rest of these world.
The government of the USA should be helping Americans, not foreigners.
If private citizens want to donate their time and/or money to these causes,
that's fine with me.
But not one cent of taxpayer money should be spent nor one serviceman sent to do
anything other than help American citizens.
Yes, the USA should be very careful in our aid in this instance.
Japan is still a wealthy country. They were our allies in the First
Gulf War.
However, in the short run (say the next thirty days), we should give
whatever is asked. To save lives, to help minimize the nuclear
disaster.
As Ludwig II of Bavaria once said "He who gives quickly gives
twice" (Mad Ludwig said it in Latin, he had a good education).
oly
oly
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The Bavarians can do what they please.
But not one red cent of taxpayer money to the Nips.
Where were they when Katrina hit - for that matter where was any other country
when Katrina hit?
The Federal government should be looking out for the interests of American
citizens - let those other countries look out for themselves.
If every man swept his own front steps the whole world would be clean.
Actually, Ludwig said it when agreeing with the Prussians to declare
war on France in 1870.
They kicked Nappy Three's fat ass, of course. Big time.
I mention this as you may find the story pleasing.
oly
Ah, whether rumor mill or truth, the 'crise de confiance" begins:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tokyo-exodus-beginning
oly
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tokyo-exodus-beginning
oly
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I don't care where the Japs go as long as it isn't here.
Maybe they can go to Mexico!
No wait, then they'd just enter the USA illegally while Obammy conveniently
looks the other way!
I think they can already go to Hawaii without U.S.Visas, as long as
they bring their VISA and MASTERCARD. Technically, I'm not certain
that they even have to bring a Passport.
They probably already own a lot of Hawaii to boot, although maybe not
as much as they did in 1990.
oly
>On Mar 13, 10:21�pm, "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote:
>> I just heard that Godilla, Rodan, Mothra and Ghidrah are advancing on Tokyo!
>Rather than saying silly things you could take a look at this:
Nah, dogs aren't interested in things like logic, fact and reason. They
just like to be silly, bark and chase their tails. Old crotchety dogs, case
in point, don't even chase their tails. They just bark. In either case,
they make no real difference.
Someone suggested that Beanie is merely another one of BF's alter-egos.
Could this be true? Similar nastiness and "reasoning"??
Nick
What's wrong with Godzilla???
Back in the 1960s, those movies were absolutely great. I was pretty
little then, and there just wasn't anything else like Godzilla. Yogi
Bear (modestly amusing), Huckleberry Hound (boring), Mightly Mouse (a
little better), and then Godzilla tore the shit of the Fukushima
place.
Old dogs like to remember the neat stuff when they were pups.
Godzilla was great and we weren't even allowed to see those movies
very often. What's wrong with remebering that???
Even if the USA helps Japan in this crisis, it's only in our self-
interest. Japan has been financing our deficit lifestyle for three
decades. We be nice to them now and pick their pockets some more
later, that's America today.
oly
If I'm not clear, my take was that Mr. Bean was indulging in some
nostalgia in regards to those old Japanese movies. The comment was
meant to inject a bit of levity into this thread.
oly
However, it's another interesting evening (here), an interesting
morning (there). The Japanese may have hit a trifecta...
http://www.livestation.com/channels/123-nhk-world-english
The earthquake and tidal wave aren't even being followed on Japanese
television at this point... it's all Fukushima!!!
oly
What's wrong with Godzilla???
> Back in the 1960s, those movies were absolutely great. I was pretty
> little then, and there just wasn't anything else like Godzilla. Yogi
> Bear (modestly amusing), Huckleberry Hound (boring), Mightly Mouse (a
> little better), and then Godzilla tore the shit of the Fukushima
> place.
I gotta say that those Japanese monster movies with the crude model sets and
silly costumed actors still make me gag. As close contemporaries of
Harryhausen's fantastic creature creations, I would be embarrassed to be
involved with such an amateurish production. But then I guess it made the
locals happy.
I get sick, too, of that crude Japanese-style cartoon technique that seems
to dominate today, having grown up with detailed Disney classics. Not that
I watch cartoons anymore (ahem).
> Old dogs like to remember the neat stuff when they were pups.
> Godzilla was great and we weren't even allowed to see those movies
> very often. What's wrong with remebering that???
Nothing wrong. You've just got to go back a bit further. It's all on film.
> Even if the USA helps Japan in this crisis, it's only in our self-
> interest. Japan has been financing our deficit lifestyle for three
> decades. We be nice to them now and pick their pockets some more
> later, that's America today.
Funny, after all that's happened, we became buddies with the Japanese within
about five years after WW II. With the Germans, too. Yet over fifty years
have passed and we still have serious angst over Cuba, and they never did
anything to us. Heavy fine for smoking a Cuban cigar? Give me a break!
Meanwhile we seem open to increasing relations with countries like Burma,
North Korea, and even Iran-- countries that probably don't even like
cartoons.
There is a 1950-dated promotional film for the Town of Lincoln,
Illinois that was posted on You Tube a few years back.
The film showed an upper-class summer party (not sure you could use
the term BBQ back then).
After dinner, you could see that all the little kids were absolutely
bored shitless. There was a clown, and they were still bored.
Why??? NO TELEVISION!!!
I was first grader about 15 years later. We didn't care how cheesey
Godzilla was, we didn't know any better. Gosh, it was exciting. I
still remember the film projector (must have been 16mm format) and
hauling out and setting up the screen.
Today, I see the Myamareese and the North Koreans in the same boat.
If they just had Nikelodeon or the Cartoon Network, it would blow
their minds.
Maybe they could redraw Dora the Explorer to look a little bit like
Kim Il Jong.
oly
The 1960s films they wouldn't let us watch were things like "To Sir,
With Love" and "Guess Who's coming to Dinner?".
One of my Grandma's highly religious friends took Granny and another
lady from the Church to the Lincoln Theater to see "Buck and the
Preacher", believing that it was a religious film.
My Granny always laughed about that.
oly
>Funny, after all that's happened, we became buddies with the Japanese
>within about five years after WW II. With the Germans, too.
Not sure how long it was. I wasn't there, not even close. My father isn't
old enough to have been there; he served in Korea, as did my girlfriend's 85
year old father.
66 years + 18 makes someone 84+ to have actually been of-age at the END of
the war. So, who's holding a grudge and why exactly? Book-based grudges?
Parents said there was a grudge to hold onto? It wasn't a first-hand thing,
eh? Sorta the way certain radical elements hate the USA and want to kill
civilians, eh? Some people seem to hold onto history a little too tightly.
Some people are simply born to be nasty and crude. Others are born to buddy
up to these assholes. I wonder if old Beanie protests at soldiers'
funerals? You know, free speach and all. The world is full of idiots. I
simply like to place them in my killfile and point out why when I happen to
see supporting evidence.
However, this is again all off topic, go figure. I'll kill your posts for
the next couple of weeks as I'm sure you'll reply and if I participate, it
would go on endlessly. And be worth very little. I give you the last word,
just like I do for ol' Beanie.
Nick
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Our naive elderly high school French teacher took our French Club on a field
trip to Boston-- French restaurant and French language movie at one of
those "art theaters". The restaurant experience went just fine. I'll
never forget the part of the film we saw before we had to leave.
I wasn't there either. But I certainly can understand how some of my
countrymen who experienced the horrors of War firsthand can never forgive.
> Some people are simply born to be nasty and crude. Others are born to
> buddy
> up to these assholes. I wonder if old Beanie protests at soldiers'
> funerals? You know, free speach and all. The world is full of idiots. I
> simply like to place them in my killfile and point out why when I happen
> to
> see supporting evidence.
>
> However, this is again all off topic, go figure. I'll kill your posts for
> the next couple of weeks as I'm sure you'll reply and if I participate, it
> would go on endlessly. And be worth very little. I give you the last
> word,
> just like I do for ol' Beanie.
Ah. Another egotistical "killfiler" who will never plonk anyone unless he
proudly announces it to the group. This way, aghast rcc'ers will surely
plead with him to change his mind. I don't really understand why I made his
list this time, but I'm sure I'll be able to get over his displeasure.
The old French Professor, caught at the nudie show - "J'adore la
plastique..."
ACTUALLY, the nuclear situation at Fukushima is seemingly getting
rather worse as our Monday night draws on...
once the Japanese stock market reopens after their lunch hour, it
could get real interesting.
oly
Reports (unconfirmed) that the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan has turned away
from the Japanese coast and headed considerably further out to sea...
oly
The Japanese stock markets two most popular indices now down about 13%
for the day at 11:20 CDT and some talk of closing the markets... gold
and silver under pressure (some people probably gotta raise cash to
support other speculations with losses)...
oly
> Your linked article is essentially the worst case (not much release of
> radioactive stuff), IF the containment vessels hold.
>
> IF NOT, then you get more towards the Chernobyl end of the spectrum.
Please note that the author continues to update the article as facts
are learned. Limited information available is a problem for him, as
well. I don't yet see how a comparison to Chernobyl can be a useful
part of the discussion.
> There also seems to be a question of "spent fuel" which is kept in
> pools of water in these buildings after removal from the reactors.
> Did that stuff get ejected in the explosions???
As I understand it, they did not.
> All in all, the earthquake was a lot more powerful than anything
> envisioned, and both the Japanese and Americans who designed these
> things might be guilty of more than a little hubris.
One point he makes it that the electrical power to the cooling pumps
was lost, despite a triply redundant back-up power system. To my mind
that indicates inadequate testing or poor operational procedures. I
have actually see a case of such a system (developed for an inflatable
radome) being found to contain a single point failure mode. Besides
being a design error, such a thing must indicate a lack of an
adversarial approach to testing. For such a thing as a nuclear power
plant, testing a power supply to destruction could reasonably have
been required.
Even so, his remark about how train service compares with nuclear
power plant safety is amusing if not precisely the best point.
> In Russia, they could abandon a large amount of land around
> Chernobyl. This is a luxury that the Japanese may not have.
Chernobyl was, by contrast, probably worse than was reported.
> I can appreciate where Mr. Bean is coming from ...
One of us must have a peculiar taste for writing.
> oly
I don't think the NHK World Television (Japanese Public Television
English Service, it seems) is broadcasting "live" anymore. They seem
to have put on a tape "loop" of the same hour or two of programming,
over and over.
Maybe they have run away!!!
oly
P.S. The British Foreign Office has told British Nationals to "Get
the hell out of Dodge" too.
US Naval forces are leaving the area as fast as possible to avoid contamination.
Troops as far away as Tokyo have been "advised" to stay indoors.
Despite the Japanese gubmint's assurances that this won't be another Chernobyl
(and maybe because of their denials), I'm pretty sure this will go down as the
worst nuclear plant disaster yet.
So much for those who claim nuclear power to be "pollution free". (Not to
mention the half-life of the spent fuel rods is about a gajillion years!)
I don't know about how to compare this to Chernobyl - but obviously
Japan doesn't have the vast landmass of the old Soviet Union.
Also, northern Japan is a lot closer to the USA than happy old central
Eurasia.
It's going to take three or four weeks to have some realistic idea of
where Fukushoma goes, melt-down and depleted fuel wise.
It could be a total cluster-fuck. Or Not.
oly
> It could be a total cluster-fuck. Or Not.
>
> oly
So far, I'd still bet that the only casualty will be the owner of the
plant, when he realizes how much money he loses.
No, there will be dead Japanese out of this thing (I've heard that two
of the plant workers are already dead and fifteen in critical
condition - but yes, the people I read are radicals on both sides of
the spectrum who don't buy into the MSM); and likely a large long-term
exclusion zone in a country with not much arable land to spare.
We aren't going to know the truth for sometime (weeks) to come; and
you can sure as shit be certain that the U.S. main stream media won't
be reporting the truth. Maybe the BBC will be a little better.
One also needs to consider the psychological effects of the roller-
coaster nuclear news on the Japanese and world economies.
Not out of the woods here, not by any means.
oly
P.S. The news is showing photos of the Japanese firetruck drivers
carefully putting on their seat belts before driving around the
Fukushima Nuclear Facility. In-freakin'-credible.
Please refrain from insulting topics.
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Still trying to control the world, eh Hitler?
Fuck you, Hitler!
>You were duly warned, and I have now filed a complaint to the abuse desk of
> your usenet provider/
Beanie is a waste of human skin, as should be completely obvious by now.
Thank you for filing a complaint, but also, please stop quoting his drivel.
I've killfiled the moron, and I suggest you do the same. However, if you
reply and quote him, you're not only feeding the troll, but you're
perpetuating his stupidity. Is anything he posts worth repeating?
<rhetorical>
Nick
Nick and euro-trash Hunky Frank can go '69' themselves or each other;
Beanie is a great guy.
oly
Fuck you, you Nazi bastard!
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Indeed, I AM a great guy.
That stool sample Nick Knight is in my kill file again, since he rarely posts
anything other than who is in his kill file.
He's an angry little twerp who lashes out at his betters.
I keep mixing this Nick fellow up with another Nick who is a first-
class lying bastard coin dealer.
But when I try to sort it out, I don't think they're the same person
Hitler!!! Hitler!!! Hitler!!!.
Adolph Hitler's dog has no nose.
How does he smell???
Terrible!!!
oly
But Finnan LIKES getting kicked off. It gives him something to do. He's
gone through about a dozen ISPs over the years. Actually, his Hardy Boys
information has been on the same server for a while. Perhaps he's
playing nice there.
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