found in junk silver 1693 THALER?
howard
1693 2/3 thaler with a small b (mint mark)
one side:
henneber gensis*D.G.DUCUM Saxonie Moneta Communis
globe with a hat All text very legible
other side:
1693 2/3 thaler with a small b (mint mark)
rooster with hat and one leg raised
text also around the edge and also legible
diameter in inches: about 1 7/16th's
Contemplating puttting on ebay....suggest a title so it is findable.
Make an offer?
I also assume it is silver
Will gladly email large JPG ( 5 or 10 meg) of both sides upon request
Howard
Mr. Jaggers
I'd verify that it is authentic before I took another step. Such material
is a prime target for today's Chinese counterfeiters. You might as well
figure that anything old, big, and silver is to be suspected.
James
howard
I have a gram kitchen scale: about 16 grams
about .5 ounce switching back and forth between both choices.
It also seems to be "stamped" a bit off center
I have been to Hong Kong a few times and have seen sleeves of 8 rare coins,
and they looked way too perfect and uniform in color.
Advice on how to determine if it real would be appreciated.
Mr. Jaggers
If the coin has a cleaned or greasy look to it, that is a bad sign, as the
first wave or two of Chinese counterfeits showed those features. The more
recent ones are dangerously more deceptive. Depending on where you live,
there may be a world coin dealer in your parts who can have a look. But the
state of the art has become so advanced that you may have to submit your
coin to a slabber for the final word. That is not a cheap proposition, so
you'll have to weigh the options. Under no other circumstances, though,
could I in good faith recommend that you try to sell it online.
James
howard
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Nick Knight
In <kcWdnWid4tANGQHU...@scnresearch.com>, on 02/18/2009
at 02:00 PM, "howard" <fishfeeder@gmail(dot)com> said:
>Contemplating puttting on ebay....suggest a title so it is findable. Make
>an offer?
>I also assume it is silver
>Will gladly email large JPG ( 5 or 10 meg) of both sides upon request
For fun, I had asked for pictures. First thing I noticed was the "2/3"
marked on the coin. Hearing the approximate size and weight of the coin, I
had figured it wasn't a full Taler.
Looking at the pics, I was thrown off by what I thought was clearly a
"SAXONIA/E" legend, but failing to find it there, I searched around for
other potential states/cities (using Krause's German Coins catalog).
I took the liberty of cropping and sizing the images smaller and putting
them on my web site. They may not be there permanently :). Here they are:
http://www.mr2ice.com/coins/two-thirds-taler-1.jpg
http://www.mr2ice.com/coins/two-thirds-taler-2.jpg
Looks to me like it's a Henneberg-Ilmenau 2/3 Taler - KM 10. Krause prices
run 30-65-120-200 for VG-F-VF-XF. I would certainly position this one on
the lower end of the scale. A search of eBay with some of this info might
find similar pieces. I can't say if this is genuine or bogus, but it seems
like it would be a waste of time to make a modern-day fake ... to me at
least.
Hope that helps,
Nick
Nick Knight
>Looks to me like it's a Henneberg-Ilmenau 2/3 Taler - KM 10. Krause prices
>run 30-65-120-200 for VG-F-VF-XF. I would certainly position this one on
>the lower end of the scale. A search of eBay with some of this info might
Forgot to point out what looks to be a mark (repaired/filled?) from an old
mount at the top of the rooster(?) side. Not terrible, but not a positive,
either.
Nick
howard
I agree about the "value" of counterfeiting a coin that may never have
enough value to
be worth the time and effort.
I have a "funny" WL half, that sure sounds like lead to me..........
once again?????why?????
thanks
Howard
Mr. Jaggers
Bust halves, seated halves, Barber halves, walkers, even the occasional
nickel or dime have been counterfeited. The 1943 "plain" nickel comes to
mind. Some of it is done to deceive, some of it is done to see if it can be
done, and some of it is done because hands are idle.
There are many historic coins that have been purposely faked in lower
grades, to make them less susceptible to suspicion. Good enough reason?
James
Mr. Jaggers
Or was it a 1944 plain? One of those silver nickel dates.
James
Nick Knight
>Bust halves, seated halves, Barber halves, walkers, even the occasional
>nickel or dime have been counterfeited. The 1943 "plain" nickel comes to
>mind. Some of it is done to deceive, some of it is done to see if it can
>be done, and some of it is done because hands are idle.
>There are many historic coins that have been purposely faked in lower
>grades, to make them less susceptible to suspicion. Good enough reason?
To me and most others (1-2 notable exceptions ... "here") there is a large
difference between contemporary counterfeits, meant to circulate during
their time of issue, and modern creations meant to deceive the collector.
I happen to possess many bogus bust halves. I collect them, to the chagrin
of some (one? :). There is a substantial market for these, even with the
constant discussion of their legalities. I can assure you that all of them
were made 100+ years ago to actually circulate. Which many obviously did
simply based on the amount of wear that is common. These pieces are
harmless to the inexperienced collector ... many are worth more as fakes
than a genuine piece would net. Many of mine are so worn as not to be
collectable as genuine. They are an interesting lot, however.
While it might not have made much sense to create WL halves to try and fool
collectors, manufacture enough of them to circulate and you might turn a
profit. It does still seem odd, but folks are counterfeiting the UK's pound
coin today, apparently.
Nick