Re: 1915 was a 1945 coin after all.
1787
> After scanning and zooming into the image of the coin it turns out to
> indeed be a 1945 not 1915 coin. I also notice a S next to the date
> which I couldn't see with my naked eyes [must be getting old?]
>
> Anyway, on the 1945 the '4' is very smudged or something making it
> appear as a '1'.. Could this be something done in production? If so,
> what would it be called? Would it make the coin value high, lower or
> no change at all?
>
> Thanks for all your help people.
>
> p.s. Does the Redbook have prices for all US coins? Also, does Redbook
> have a section devoted to popular foreign coins, say 1700s-present?
Your eyes may not be as good as when you were a child, so you might want to
think about purchasing a magnifier. Something in the 5X-10X range, possibly
illuminated. If you go shopping for one, take your five centavo coin with
you so you can get a magnifier that works best for you.
On the Philippine issues in the 40s the diagonal part and the cross-bar part
of the "4" are thinner than the vertical part (choice of style), appearing a
little fainter. What you have obscuring the diagonal part of the "4" and
leading you to think it was a "1" is just dirt from use and wear. By the
way, don't clean the coin. That will make it valueless.
The "redbook" is "The Official Red Book. A Guide Book of United States
Coins". Though not *strictly* true, it is quite reasonable to say it covers
all US coins (US issues is a truer statement, covering the Pilippines for
example) and no foreign coins. Numismatists use the word "world" rather
than "foreign" to refer to non-US coins.
W.
mazorj
"1787" <nob...@null.nil.net> wrote in message
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> Always Learning wrote:
>> After scanning and zooming into the image of the coin it turns out
>> to
>> indeed be a 1945 not 1915 coin. I also notice a S next to the date
>> which I couldn't see with my naked eyes [must be getting old?]
>>
>> Anyway, on the 1945 the '4' is very smudged or something making it
>> appear as a '1'.. Could this be something done in production? If
>> so,
>> what would it be called? Would it make the coin value high, lower
>> or
>> no change at all?
>>
>> Thanks for all your help people.
>>
>> p.s. Does the Redbook have prices for all US coins? Also, does
>> Redbook
>> have a section devoted to popular foreign coins, say 1700s-present?
>
> Your eyes may not be as good as when you were a child, so you might
> want to think about purchasing a magnifier. Something in the 5X-10X
> range, possibly illuminated. If you go shopping for one, take your
> five centavo coin with you so you can get a magnifier that works
> best for you.
For starters you also can get a cheap but decent import in the 5x -
10x range on e-Bay or seller websites. That's all you'll need now in
quality and magnification. Later you may want to invest in a really
good lens or a range of higher and lower powers, but $10 or so will
get you a usable and useful glass. Once you try it, you'll find lots
of other uses around the house, too.
> On the Philippine issues in the 40s the diagonal part and the
> cross-bar part of the "4" are thinner than the vertical part (choice
> of style), appearing a little fainter. What you have obscuring the
> diagonal part of the "4" and leading you to think it was a "1" is
> just dirt from use and wear. By the way, don't clean the coin.
> That will make it valueless.
At it's current value of about 25 cents, it may be worth taking the
loss on a common coin to boost its esthetic appeal for the newbie
collector. You could clean it with detergent and a gentle finger rub
or a mild type of dip. The eye appeal of just about any coin is worth
a lot more than a quarter. All you want to do is is remove the crud
covering the date and slightly brighten the overall surface. You
might try this as a learning exercise to see how a gentle cleaning can
improve appearance. Just don't get in the habit of doing it
routinely, even for common coins. That low-value penny you got in
change might turn out to be a valuable mint error or variant. Your
loss from cleaning it would not be trivial.
Padraic Brown
>The "redbook" is "The Official Red Book. A Guide Book of United States
>Coins". Though not *strictly* true, it is quite reasonable to say it covers
>all US coins (US issues is a truer statement, covering the Pilippines for
>example) and no foreign coins. Numismatists use the word "world" rather
>than "foreign" to refer to non-US coins.
The only world coins it covers are colonials issues (no USA at the
time); CSA and Kingdom of Hawaii (for obvious reasons). The
Philippines was part of the US as a commonwealth, just like Puerto
Rico still is.
Padraic
>
>W.
>
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note.boy
"Padraic Brown" <elem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I refer to USA coins as being foreign coins. Billy
Voltronicus
> I refer to USA coins as being foreign coins.
We refer to you as being a troll.
oly
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The OP isn't going to be convinced until somebody tells him his
extremely low-value coin is worth thousands of dollars; but if I had
it, I would run it through one of my elongating machines.
oly
Voltronicus
> The OP isn't going to be convinced until somebody tells him his
> extremely low-value coin is worth thousands of dollars; but if I had
> it, I would run it through one of my elongating machines.
Careful Oly, you'll have the OP storm away if a huff (or a minute and
a huff!)
oly
Some people shouldn't go away mad - they should just go away (or lurk,
until they have learned some minimum about numismatics).
oly
RsH
Being in Canada, and rec.collecting.coins being a worldwide Usenet
group for ALL those using English, anyone who thinks those in the US
are entitled to belittle those of us outside the US when, to us, USA
coins ARE foreign coins, is themselves a troll. US coins ARE foreign
coins in most of the world <grin>...
Voltronicus
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Voltronicus
>
> >On Oct 8, 5:10 am, "note.boy" <note....@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >> I refer to USA coins as being foreign coins.
>
> >We refer to you as being a troll.
>
> Being in Canada, and rec.collecting.coins being a worldwide Usenet
> group for ALL those using English, anyone who thinks those in the US
> are entitled to belittle those of us outside the US when, to us, USA
> coins ARE foreign coins, is themselves a troll. US coins ARE foreign
> coins in most of the world <grin>...
Another troll who doesn't know what he's talking about heard from.
mazorj
"Voltronicus" <fwd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You just can't help being self-referential even when it's not about
you, eh?
oly
> "Voltronicus" <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
No, RF is right, the bulk of Canadian coins aren't worth poop. Not a
half-a-dozen ( maybe a loose six or eight) moderately desireable
things in the whole series (almost all of those before the First World
War).
Canadian history (such as it is) is populated by British Civil
Servants, persons born and educated in England and Scotland, and
salacious and militant Frenchmen (not for nothing that Pierre Trudeau
is the only modern Prime Minister that could "raise" a scandal) and
dozens of Americans who made the Yukon Gold Rush sparkle.
Pierre Burton could not have made his historical books one-tenth so
good if he had had to rely only on native Canadians.
Celine Dion and Shania Twain are the Canadians best known in American
today, both gals are kinda oddballs.
oly
oly
Pardon, Pierre Berton not Burton (sp).
oly
oly
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And Celine is a native french speaker, pas l'anglais.
oly
Voltronicus
> You just can't help being self-referential even when it's not about
> you, eh?
Self-reverential, maybe.
Go write another crank letter to Coin World.
They really made you look like a schmuck with your last one.
We all got a good laugh at your expense out of that!
Voltronicus
> No, RF is right, the bulk of Canadian coins aren't worth poop.
I never said that, nor do I agree with that - unless you are refering
to the modern NCLT junk being pumped out by the RCM.
RsH
Since I've been collecting since the early 1950's and have lots of US
coins, even if I now live in Canada, I fully know of what I speak. The
troll is the individual who insists only he is rightous and correct,
and not a troll. I repeat that US coins ARE foreign in most of the
world, and for that matter GOLD and 90% silver coins, wherever they
are from, are all intrinsically valuable, including Canadian, British,
German, French, Chinese, Russian, Austro-Hungarian, and US coinage.
Anyone who limits him or herself to the U.S. when it comes to
collecting is narrow minded and foolish, in my view. The US does NOT
have any exclusivity on coinage, but does have fools who pay far more
than coins are worth via eBay, etcetera, for their own silly reasons.
Bah humbug to Voltronicus, who uses a hotmail account so that no one
can even determine where in the world (s)he is located [although the
IP address used belongs to Verizon Internet Services Inc, in the US.]
I've got US silver half dimes, three cent pieces, morgan silver
dollars, a number of gold coins, US and others, and miscellaneous
pre-US coinage as well... so don't call me a troll or suggest I don't
know of what I speak <grin> unless you are prepared to back that up
with facts... which you are not... Mr(s) Dixon
Voltronicus
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Voltronicus
>
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You are not a troll because you don't live in the USA but because you
are just doing a drive-by post with the intent to inflame rather than
to illuminate, the same as your fellow cretin, note.boy.
oly
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Trolls are O.K. They are alot better than posters who throw out these
generic "I've got a post-World War II base-metal coin, somebody told
me it was worth a quarter, but I know better, it is worth thousands,
so where can I sell it?" garden-variety posts.
oly
Jud
As this group is read by people in many countries, perhaps we should
use that term instead of 'foreign'.
note.boy
"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> IIRC, the proper term is "World Coins" when referring to non-US coins.
> As this group is read by people in many countries, perhaps we should
> use that term instead of 'foreign'.
Using "non USA" would make things crystal clear for everyone. Billy
Padraic Brown
<note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Padraic Brown" <elem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1l2oe45s996tomf50...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:31:32 -0700, "1787" <nob...@null.nil.net> wrote:
>>
>>>The "redbook" is "The Official Red Book. A Guide Book of United States
>>>Coins". Though not *strictly* true, it is quite reasonable to say it
>>>covers
>>>all US coins (US issues is a truer statement, covering the Pilippines for
>>>example) and no foreign coins. Numismatists use the word "world" rather
>>>than "foreign" to refer to non-US coins.
>>
>> The only world coins it covers are colonials issues (no USA at the
>> time); CSA and Kingdom of Hawaii (for obvious reasons). The
>> Philippines was part of the US as a commonwealth, just like Puerto
>> Rico still is.
>>
>I refer to USA coins as being foreign coins. Billy
Naturally! Everybody's foreign *somwehere*!
Padraic
Padraic Brown
Unless we (Merkins) simply accepted that we're all part of the same
world and "World Coins" refers to coins of every country, including
our own!
Voltronicus
> Unless we (Merkins) simply accepted that we're all part of the same
> world and "World Coins" refers to coins of every country, including
> our own!
From Wikipedia:
A merkin (first use, according to the OED, 1617) is a pubic wig,
originally worn by prostitutes after shaving their genitalia to
eliminate lice or disguise the marks of syphilis.
tony cooper
>Bah humbug to Voltronicus, who uses a hotmail account so that no one
>can even determine where in the world (s)he is located [although the
>IP address used belongs to Verizon Internet Services Inc, in the US.]
Seacliff, New York.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
mazorj
On Oct 8, 1:42 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> You just can't help being self-referential even when it's not about
> you, eh?
<Self-reverential, maybe.
You said it, not me.
<Go write another crank letter to Coin World.
<They really made you look like a schmuck with your last one.
<We all got a good laugh at your expense out of that!
It's sounding more and more like you have a bad case of pen envy.
mazorj
Only you would have twigged to that connotation, Voltie.
note.boy
The sooner we adopt gold pressed latinum the better it will be all round.
Billy
note.boy
Living in Scotland I consider Bank of England notes to be foreign, yes
really, but I would accept one as a gift. :-)
Most collectors of Scottish notes count the notes of The Tweed Bank as
collectable although the bank was in England, close to the Scottish border,
the notes circulated mostly in the Scottish border towns.
I don't collect them however as to me as they were issued by an English bank
they are not Scottish. Billy
Padraic Brown
<note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Padraic Brown" <elem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:13:40 +0100, "note.boy"
>> <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jud" <numis...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a6b7ac13-dde9-45f1...@j68g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> IIRC, the proper term is "World Coins" when referring to non-US coins.
>>>> As this group is read by people in many countries, perhaps we should
>>>> use that term instead of 'foreign'.
>>>
>>>
>>>Using "non USA" would make things crystal clear for everyone. Billy
>>
>> Unless we (Merkins) simply accepted that we're all part of the same
>> world and "World Coins" refers to coins of every country, including
>> our own!
>
>The sooner we adopt gold pressed latinum the better it will be all round.
Never let doubt tarnish your lust for latiunum!
Padraic
>Billy
Padraic Brown
<note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>Living in Scotland I consider Bank of England notes to be foreign, yes
>really, but I would accept one as a gift. :-)
Well of course! What Scot would refuse such a gift? You can always
exchange it for proper currency!
>Most collectors of Scottish notes count the notes of The Tweed Bank as
>collectable although the bank was in England, close to the Scottish border,
>the notes circulated mostly in the Scottish border towns.
>
>I don't collect them however as to me as they were issued by an English bank
>they are not Scottish.
Interesting. I don't recognise the name -- they don't still issue
notes, do they? I thought BoE was the only note issuing entity left in
England.
By the by, speaking of non-English notes, do you know anything about
the Stannaries Parliament notes? Legalitieswise. As I recall, they've
asserted that the Cornish parliament has the right to issue them.
Anything new from down that way?
Padraic
>Billy
note.boy
The Tweed Bank went bust in 1841 but their notes are not difficult or
expensive to obtain, note holders got five dividends totalling 10/3 (ten
shillings and thruppence) for each £1 of face value and the notes survive as
holders were hoping for sixth dividend, they have had a long wait. The
notes were rubber stamped each time a dividend was paid out. From memory,
no guarantee of accuracy, the last banknotes issued in England by a private
bank was around 1907.
I have seen these Cornish notes on ebay and they have, I think, been
mentioned in Coin News, I doubt if they are "legal" in any way and are only
accepted locally. Billy
Padraic Brown
<note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>The Tweed Bank went bust in 1841 but their notes are not difficult or
>expensive to obtain, note holders got five dividends totalling 10/3 (ten
>shillings and thruppence) for each £1 of face value and the notes survive as
>holders were hoping for sixth dividend, they have had a long wait. The
>notes were rubber stamped each time a dividend was paid out.
Presumably those outstanding notes have no value any longer?
>From memory,
>no guarantee of accuracy, the last banknotes issued in England by a private
>bank was around 1907.
Could an English bank still issue notes? How about modern Welsh banks?
>I have seen these Cornish notes on ebay and they have, I think, been
>mentioned in Coin News, I doubt if they are "legal" in any way and are only
>accepted locally. Billy
Interesting.
Padraic
note.boy
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:30:11 +0100, "note.boy"
> <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>The Tweed Bank went bust in 1841 but their notes are not difficult or
>>expensive to obtain, note holders got five dividends totalling 10/3 (ten
>>shillings and thruppence) for each £1 of face value and the notes survive
>>as
>>holders were hoping for sixth dividend, they have had a long wait. The
>>notes were rubber stamped each time a dividend was paid out.
>
> Presumably those outstanding notes have no value any longer?
It's not possible to cash them in for face value but they do of course have
collector value and a very interesting history.
>
>>From memory,
>>no guarantee of accuracy, the last banknotes issued in England by a
>>private
>>bank was around 1907.
>
> Could an English bank still issue notes? How about modern Welsh banks?
Only the Bank of England can issue notes in England, if they not gone bust.
:-)
A collection of 55 Welsh bankotes dating from about 1810 to 1850 were sold
at auction by Spink on 19 June 2008, the prices were very strong.
http://www.spink.com/asp/search.asp?st=U
The story behind lot 349 is immensly interesting and a book about the
subject appears regularly on ebay, the notes were issue in 1969/70.
There are no Welsh banks now, there are branches of non Welsh banks in Wales
of course. Billy
Voltronicus
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:31:32 -0700, "1787" <nob...@null.nil.net> wrote
>
> >By the
> >way, don't clean the coin. That will make it valueless.
>
> Not even ivory soap and warm water?
>
> I understand not cleaning them with chemicals and all, how that might
> actually damage the surface..
>
> Not that I have cleaned them, just wondering about plan old ivory soap
> and warm water as OK?
Don't forget to use a Brillo pad too.
Voltronicus
> You have terrible reading comprehension skills
And you are either a troll or the stupidest person in the world.
1787
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:31:32 -0700, "1787" <nob...@null.nil.net> wrote
> this stuff here :
>
>> By the
>> way, don't clean the coin. That will make it valueless.
>
> Not even ivory soap and warm water?
>
> I understand not cleaning them with chemicals and all, how that might
> actually damage the surface..
>
> Not that I have cleaned them, just wondering about plan old ivory soap
> and warm water as OK?
Cleaning (modern coins) is a topic of varied and strong opinion. Some say
never and some say it's fine to get rid of surface nastiness if gently
cleaned as you describe, particularly for lower value coins. Generally,
most would not say to use anything abrasive or strongly chemically reactive.
For this coin, sure, clean it. You're not going to diminish its value and
it might make you happier about the coin. Totally your call. It's not like
you're taking a wire brush to a strawberry leaf wreath cent.
However, and even this is debatable by some, I say never clean a coin of
significant value. I will let you define "significant value" for yourself.
Ancient coins are a totally different story, by the way.
W.
Voltronicus
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT), Voltronicus
> <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote this stuff here :
>
> >On Oct 13, 2:11 pm, Always Learning <noPublicEm...@this.time> wrote:
>
> >> You have terrible reading comprehension skills
>
> >And you are either a troll or the stupidest person in the world.
>
> makes me a troll or a stupid person. But there is little need to reply
> to your replies anymore since I cannot change your simple thinking
> mind.
>
> Have fun.
So, you are the stupidest person in the world?
Peter
"strongly chemically reactive" also depends on the coin. Copper (or
brass) is somewhat more reactive in water than are silver and gold.
Soap is a slightly basic substance that can be mildly corrosive to
base metals. Not sure how good an idea it is.