How to report shill bidders to the FBI
Rander
with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years - www.cybercrime.gov to
learn more.
Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't
neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had
a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report
(Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand
it).
Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided
email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public
infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive
seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay
informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be
somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it
worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation
systems for targeting.
If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't.
There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me
knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99
sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in
some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a
chance???
I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay),
it costs but was worth it.
How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social
networking, is just the start.
Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay....
underlord
Spam.
gbi...@gmail.com
in their best interests to turn a blind eye. Smack yourself a few
times to wake yourself up from the dillusional dream you're living in
if you think otherwise.
-Gregg B.
maldo
yea because the federal government does not have enough to worry about
with our entire country falling apart, 2 wars, a shitty economy etc
etc etc. Lets have the FBI look into shill bidding, that's a REAL
pressing issue.
What a waste of time, fucking idiot.
HotGoddess
Wow, even I'm not that much of a bitch!!
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not to mention that Wall Street heisted near $2 trillion since 2007
and only one person has been convicted of anything!!!
oly
Lumpy
> Wow, even I'm not that much of a bitch!!
Yes you are.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com
King Rootentooten
skea...@hotmail.com
refrain from using any vulgar or racist language that would offend someone
else.
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Robert Perkis
Don't be surprised if your offending post is forwarded to your
ISP (internet service provider) highwinds-media.com to see if it is in
violation
of your TOS (terms of service) agreement and to see if they enjoy reading
your posts
as much as we do.
"King Rootentooten" <ki...@rooten.tooten> wrote in message
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Lumpy
> This Usenet group is intended for family use. Please
> refrain from using any vulgar or racist language that would offend
> someone else.
Fuck yeah!
Lumpy
> Racist comments are not welcome here.
Here? Just where is "here"?
You've cross posted to three newsgroups, you fuckin' dickwad.
Something tells me you don't have the permission of
every subscriber of every group to be their proxy
spokesman.
Now go put your church lady dress back in the closet
and get back to work.
oly
Give 'em hell, Lumpy, my man!!! This being 8/4 and all!!!
oly
oly
Speaking of shill bidders (people bidding on their own auctions):
Two days ago, on ebay, I bid on an old "Folio Society" book on Charles
II being sold by a UK vendor.
The thing had been up for about nine days or so, on a ten day listing,
with no bids.
Price was 9.75 GBP, plus 4 GBP postage. I bid 11.75 GBP because I an
interested in the book and I was trying to be polite offerring a bit
more than the minimum. However, I anticipated that bidder interest
would be low.
Within ten minutes (closer to five), there was a second bid of 12.25
GBP. I let the lot go, and a day or so later, it "sold" at that
price.
Last night, the same book was relisted at 9.75 GBP. Same book, same
exact auction description word for word (and this book was sold in
"less than perfect" condition with some specific faults).
I did rebid when I saw it, @ 9.75 GBP and no more.
This morning, I have a "second chance offer" from the seller @ 11.75
GBP plus the postage. She notes that she has seen my rebid and
explains that she just happens to have a second copy of the same
book. But she counters that I could save nine days of waiting.
Maybe I will, maybe I won't. The 'Memoirs of the Comte de Gramont, by
Anthony Hamilton' have waited 300 years for me so far.
That's the kind of thing that I am seeing more and more of on ebay.
oly
mazorj
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
=========================
And they do it... because they can. The average marginal boost in selling
prices using shill bidding almost certainly exceeds the average loss of
sales (plus the eBay fees) from bidders who refuse to get suckered - in
which case they just relist the item. They know that eBay is never going to
do anything about it. They don't have the resource capacity to track such
transgressions, and as a reward for their inaction, they pocket whatever
fees were paid for the shill listing and "sale".
It's like gamling in a casino, in that the house rules always are rigged so
that in the long run the house wins regardless of what actually happens at
the tables. eBay wins regardless of what happens with its listing.
The Unknown Poster
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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oly
> What the fuck does any of this have to do with aftershave?
>
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i3c4cd$v42$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shilling (shill bidding) is a form of shaving some unsuspecting
poltroon very closely.
oly
mazorj
oly
==================
Any response here is just feeding the troll, but...
Nice one, oly.
Lumpy
> Any response here is just feeding the troll...
I've seen photos of Frank and Brickboy playing
"feed the troll"
Kerry Imming
> What the fuck does any of this have to do with aftershave?
Are all the troll posts coming from the same person at Genetech Inc.
in San Francisco, CA? I certainly hope they're not assuming that
anything Internet related is anonymous or that making up new profiles
helps to hide anything.
- Kerry
Lumpy
> Are all the troll posts coming from the same person at Genetech Inc.
> in San Francisco, CA? ...
Genetech is well known as the crack cocaine
distributing subsidiary of the ANA. They're
working on the pinballers next.
Don Lancaster
> When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for
> investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -
> www.cybercrime.gov to learn more.
Total bullshit.
The Uniform Commercial Code specifically allows shill bidding under
certain circumstances. It is not in any manner illegal.
Under others, the henious remedy is that the price reverts to the
preshill price.
Shill bidding is not possible on eBay.
For a detailed explanation why, see
<http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu10.asp#d07-03-10 >
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: d...@tinaja.com
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
I totally agree. What a waste of time. Shills, no Shills. Who gives a
shit! You bid on an item with a max price in mind, and who cares what
anyone else is doing. You were probably hall monitor in school too!!
Lumpy
> When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for
> investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years
> -www.cybercrime.govto learn more.
"Hey buddy...What are you in for?"
""Murder, rape, conspiracy and selling narcotics. You?""
"I shill bid a 1943 penny"
""Cool. You're my bitch!""
BrotherBart
Erasmus Hall
"BrotherBart" <noth...@nomail.net> wrote in message
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Ahh, there's the tie-in to niggers!
I wonder if Obummer uses Old Spice?
Ignoramus30382
On 2010-08-03, Rander <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
> with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years - www.cybercrime.gov to
Lumpy
> 1-800-CALLFBI
This totally silly, to be devoting so much time
on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding.
Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown?
And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off
more than Frank and Brickie.
BrotherBart
Israel.
I wish they were in Israel. And the coin dealers too.
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins.
Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less
than melt for a Seafaring.
oly
Lumpy
> Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins.
> Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less
> than melt for a Seafaring.
Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi?
oly
I know it shocking Mr. Lumpy, but I think Bristol's Levi is about a
1991 or 1992 model.
Almost everybody on the forum is a D-I-N-O-S-A-U-R pronounced "old
shit".
oly
PeterD
wrote:
Silly me, I thought it was a national insecurity thing.
PeterD
wrote:
As far as anyone here can tell, you are the only person left using Old
Spice...
Relayer
> When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
> with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto
> learn more.
>
> neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had
> a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report
> (Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand
> it).
>
> Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided
> email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public
> infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive
> seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay
> informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be
> somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it
> worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation
> systems for targeting.
>
> If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't.
> There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me
> knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99
> sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in
> some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a
> chance???
>
> I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay),
> it costs but was worth it.
>
> How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social
> networking, is just the start.
>
> Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay....
They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best
price and leave it at that.
Mr. Jaggers
[cross-posted material removed]
> They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best
> price and leave it at that.
That does not solve the problem, because of the way proxy bidding works.
Whether it's an advance bid or a snipe bid makes no difference, either. A
shill bid placed at any time still increases the amount that the winning
bidder must pay. He might enjoy the satisfaction of winning, but he still
pays more because of it.
Due to eBay's current protocol, the likelihood of being shilled at some time
or other is very high, while the likelihood of knowing that you have been
shilled in a specific case and being able to prove it is very small. That
is the reason that eBay will not waste its resources following up on each
and every shilling allegation it receives.
Several years ago I reported a sickeningly obvious shill to eBay - the shill
bidder was an employee of the coin dealer who had posted the auction, and I
knew both of them. The perpetrator got slapped for it, but that was back
when a bidder's ID was much more transparent. It would be massively more
difficult to accomplish that today.
James the Occasional Victim
BUY...@aol.com
rat bastard
Don Lancaster
What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a shyster lawyer?
Chelsea.
Don Lancaster
> oly wrote:
> Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi?
>
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
> www.LumpyMusic.com
>
>
With or without the steel belted radials?
Don Lancaster
Always bid your proxy max ONCE and VERY LATE in the auction.
If the price at that point does not meet your goals, do not bid.
If the price does meet your goals, it does not matter in the least how
the price got to that point.
< http://wwww.tinaja.com/glib/ebaybuys.pdf >
Don Lancaster
The 43 Vigilant was a classic.
Only 154 were produced because of wartime economics.
oly
You've said it well, mon vieux. I well might want the item at my
maximum bid, but why do I want to pay that if I can get the item for
less???
Everything that ebay has done over the last one or two years to reduce
the transparency of their "auctions" plays into the hands of the ebay
seller with a heart of larceny.
oly
Kerry Imming
>
> They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best
> price and leave it at that.
While that will limit you to paying what you were willing, you can
still end up paying more than you should.
The fake/shill bid will run your bid up and possibly outbid it.
You'll get a second-chance offer. Seller gets the maximum possible.
Don's answer is best (snipe with your max. bid). In fact, e-bay
should allow the option of a silent bid. This defeats the "it's just
another $" psychology of the auction that drives prices up, so won't
ever happen.
- Kerry
Mr. Jaggers
I guess we never really know if we got the best price, even when
face-to-face with a dealer at a show. It's all a big poker game, and he who
indulges with the idea that collecting coins is a profit-making activity is,
oh heck, fill in the blank with your favorite predicate
adjective_________________.
James the Diagrammer
Lumpy
> ...In fact, e-bay
> should allow the option of a silent bid...
Which would be totally demisincongruent to the purpose
of an auction, and the purpose of eBay, and the purpose
of the seller presence - to maximize profits.
Don Lancaster
You ALWAYS pay more than you should.
Otherwise the transaction does not occur.
James E. Morrow
> Always bid your proxy max ONCE and VERY LATE in the auction.
>
> If the price at that point does not meet your goals, do not bid.
> If the price does meet your goals, it does not matter in the least how
> the price got to that point.
>
>
shilling. If you are not dumb nobody can shill you.
--
James E. Morrow
Email to: jamese...@email.com
James E. Morrow
ignoram...@NOSPAM.30382.invalid says...
> 1-800-CALLFBI
>
> On 2010-08-03, Rander <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
> > with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years - www.cybercrime.gov to
> > learn more.
> >
> >
>
Use the direct line, 1-202-324-3000. Tell Director Mueller I sent you.
DevilsPGD
<5fd9120d-4f7b-46d9...@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Kerry Imming <kcim...@magnaspeed.net> was claimed to have wrote:
>In fact, e-bay should allow the option of a silent bid.
Try Gixen.com...
Lumpy
> ... If you are not dumb ...
Then you're probably not subscribed to the coin group.
Proteus IIV
LUMPY. IT IS ONE OF THER FEW PLACES EBAY SELLERS
AND BUYERS WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMS CAN GO TO AND
NOT BE CENSORED OR EVEN NARU BY THE EBAY PINKS
WHO MONITOR THE EBAY DISCUSSION GROUPS AND REMOVE
ANY POSTS WHICH MAKE EBAY LOOK BAD.
WITH ALL THE FOUL HATEFUL THINGS YOU HAVE WRITTEN
THROUGHOUT THE YEARS TO NEWBYS AND VISITORS
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN OFFENSIVE TROLL
Lumpy
> PLEASE GO TO HELL AND LEAVE THIS GROUP ALONE
> LUMPY.
I am in hell, Frita.
And, um, I own this newsgroup.
You may remain. I am merciful.
Lumpy, Gawd
BrotherBart
Report yourself to the FBI.
Ron Strom
says...
--
Ron -- CARGPB7 - ron...@hothouse.net (Change the hot to ice to email)
Frank Provasek
consignor is permitted to bid on their
own goods. Some auction houses disallow it as part of their
consignmernt contract. There is not a lot
an auction house can do if the rules are violated except ban the
person involved, as eBay does. Someone
claiming to have paid too much because of shill bids in an auction
that does not permit it might be able to
claim damages of a couple of bid increments, but again it would be a
civil matter. Best defense is to place one
bid of what you would be happy to pay for the item.
----
SEE MY NEW FIXED PRICE LISTINGS www.frankcoins.com
Texas Auction License 11259, Board member of Texas
Coin Dealers Association, Member TNA, ANA, PCGS,
NGC, Industry Council for Tangible Assets - Full Time Since 1991
Lumpy
> Unless an auction is styled as "absolute," or "without reserve," the
> consignor is permitted to bid on their
There's the voice of experience speaking.
Lumpy
oly
Give 'em hell Lumpy!!!
oly
sgt23
Lumpy has some qualities of a Fred Sanford.
Colin Fairbrother
> Robert Perkis wrote:
> > Racist comments are not welcome here.
>
> Here? Just where is "here"?
> You've cross posted to three newsgroups, you fuckin' dickwad.
> Something tells me you don't have the permission of
> every subscriber of every group to be their proxy
> spokesman.
>
> Now go put your church lady dress back in the closet
> and get back to work.
... but he's an expert in rocket science -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.lottery/browse_thread/thread/552878a1bd8f08c2#
Robert Perkis, a pussy toad from a stinking Florida swamp that is the
most pretentious git in all known galaxies and whose filth has no
bounds.
... green please, no milk no sugar.
Well, I got a laugh from writing it.
Amazing, you have female contributors on this usenet.
Recommender reading "The Merchant of Venice" by old Willy.
That's enough Colin, piss off.