Re: FORUM ISSUE: Please refrain from off-topic discussions.
oly
> How can discussion threads be closed to additonal comments?
>
> Need to close discussion thread 'Do COINSTAR Machines Reject Error
> Coins?'
>
> Too many off-topic responses!
>
> Thank-you
GO FUCK YOURSELF while we have some beers.
oly
Michael Benveniste
> Too many off-topic responses!
Welcome to Usenet. The Real World is down the hall and a sharp left
past your ego. A moderated forum like CoinTalk may be more to your
liking.
-- Mike Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles
everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain
Beanie
"socraticquest" <socrat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How can discussion threads be closed to additonal comments?
Take a loaded pistol, put the business end in your mouth aiming upward, pull
trigger. There, that mean old thread won't bother you any longer.
> Need to close discussion thread 'Do COINSTAR Machines Reject Error Coins?'
Assuming you haven't yet taken my advice regarding your first question, why not
pop open a can of beer and chill out?
> Too many off-topic responses!
Poor baby, forced to read them all.
> Thank-you
You're welcome.
Nick Knight
>Take a loaded pistol, put the business end in your mouth aiming upward,
>pull trigger. There, that mean old thread won't bother you any longer.
Ok. I almost killfiled you before, as you didn't seem to be very smart.
Now I see my first impulse was correct. You're an idiot AND an asshole.
This is the second completely dumb reply I've seen from you in a week. Both
in reply to legitimate questions/ideas.
Perhaps you should try following your own advise?
It IS a shame that anyone with a computer can post, and post any moronic
thing that comes out of their brain. It's also a big Usenet plus at times.
This isn't one of those times.
<plonk>
Nick
Arizona Coin Collector
"socraticquest" <socrat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How can discussion threads be closed to additonal comments?
>
> Coins?'
>
>
> Thank-you
Hello
You could join a more controlled Newsgroup instead
of Global Usenet. Google and Yahoo have their own
alternative newsgroups. Below is one example from
Yahoo Groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/usa_coin_group/
..
Beanie
"Nick Knight" <bhnc...@mr2ice.com> wrote in message
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It seems that most posters here consider you to be a gigantic asshole and
spammer.
Nobody gives a fuck what you think or who you killfile.
Do us all a favor and kill yourself, you pathetic loser.
oly
> "Nick Knight" <bhnc_1...@mr2ice.com> wrote in message
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> news:4cfa8f45$2$avpx$mr2...@news.eternal-september.org...
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>
>
> > In <ide1ec$mt...@speranza.aioe.org>, on 12/04/2010
> > at 01:31 PM, "Beanie" <b...@e.ne> said:
>
> >>Take a loaded pistol, put the business end in your mouth aiming upward,
> >>pull trigger. There, that mean old thread won't bother you any longer.
>
> > Ok. I almost killfiled you before, as you didn't seem to be very smart.
> > Now I see my first impulse was correct. You're an idiot AND an asshole.
> > This is the second completely dumb reply I've seen from you in a week. Both
> > in reply to legitimate questions/ideas.
>
> > Perhaps you should try following your own advise?
>
> > It IS a shame that anyone with a computer can post, and post any moronic
> > thing that comes out of their brain. It's also a big Usenet plus at times.
> > This isn't one of those times.
>
> > <plonk>
>
> It seems that most posters here consider you to be a gigantic asshole and
> spammer.
> Nobody gives a fuck what you think or who you killfile.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, the weak junk-box stuff that Nick Knight tries to sell here at
insanely high prices DOES suggest he is a third-class asshole.
oly
Beanie
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Indeed, I get sets like he offers out of my local dealer's $1 box - sometimes
free even, if I'm buying gold or silver at the same time.
He needs to relax with a nice cold Miller High Life or, perhaps, a high colonic.
Nick Knight
12/04/2010
>How can discussion threads be closed to additonal comments?
>Need to close discussion thread 'Do COINSTAR Machines Reject Error Coins?'
>Too many off-topic responses!
Well, sir, you may not have gathered from my previous post ... but I agree
with you completely as to how often and quickly a thread can get off-track
here. While I don't know many of the folks who post here personally, my
perception is that there are some older, retired folk "here" where this is
their only way to socialize. They do not care that this isn't the proper
place for it, nor that they aren't actually socializing ... not like real
people do. They like to argue politics and compare past experiences, all
un-coin-related. If we didn't have these conversations, the place would be
much quieter. Oddly, I've even heard posters JUSTIFY their off-topic posts
because of this ... it was too quiet. Why not fill the void, in a
coin-collecting newsgroup, with rubbish?!! See how much better that is.
The one moron who repied to you previously, well, I'm not sure where
he/she/it came from, but I've only noticed this poster more recently. As
you can tell from the post's depth and quick-whit, there isn't much you can
call "well balanced" there. I assume he/she's another one of those lonely
soles who thinks he/she's participating in a social event "here", and you've
theatened its very being. That's not an excuse ... I'm just trying to talk
it out.
Fortunately, you've received some more reasonable replies. The bottom line
is that, in an international and public forum like this, you can't really
stop anyone from posting, nomatter how poor a use of human skin they are.
Your best bet is to learn how to use killfiles. It you "kill" stupidity as
it presents itself, you end up with far less bile to sort through. Quality
goes up, noise goes down. It seems to be a never-ending job; as one
disappears (virtually or really), there always seems to be someone else that
pops up.
The world needs more old-folk's mixers or something. Perhaps we can fix old
"Beanie" up with someone who can relieve his/her/its stress.
Nick
Bremick
A foolproof solution for those of you who encounter an unwanted OT post
in RCC or notice that a coin-related thread has wandered OT is to simply
ignore it. Nothing fancy. No killfiles, psychological poster analysis, or
posted rants necessary. Just ignore the damn thing. When these threads
prosper, there obviously are some RCC'ers who must enjoy them. If you're
not one of them, i-g-n-o-r-e the posts and stop whining like you're being
forced to read every thing you see here. Personally, I would rather follow
most non-political OT threads here than read repetative posts that steer
people to one's latest eBay auctions.
Reid Goldsborough
> How can discussion threads be closed to additonal comments?
>
> Need to close discussion thread 'Do COINSTAR Machines Reject Error
> Coins?'
>
> Too many off-topic responses!
>
As everybody is when they start, you seem to be a beginner with Usenet.
It has been around for a long time, but through Google Groups mostly it
still attracts some newcomers.
Usenet unlike most other online forums these days isn't moderated or
controlled in virtually any way. Individuals can block other users, but
users can pretty much do anything they want, including hiding behind
anonymous handles and wildly cross-posting to other groups having
nothing to do with what they're saying.
Thus Usenet attracts those people who want to be able to do anything
they want, and as we're seeing here it attracts some of the worst kinds
of people, those full of hatred, bigotry, and intolerance, those
seething with anger who use Usenet to vent what can only be personal
failings and weaknesses, and those who genuinely appear to have some
kind of mental illness. Healthy, happy people don't act in the ways we
see, in this thread, in many other threads in this newsgroup, and in
many other unmoderated Usenet newsgroups.
It's nearly certain that this commentary will elicit more venom, but you
should know that venom to a large degree is what Usenet has evolved
into. It always has had this to some degree, just never this bad, as
more and more people who don't like it move on to other kinds of online
discussion groups that have been set up specifically to rein in such
behavior, which causes the wrathful to be in the majority on Usenet or
at least appear this way due to the frequency of their angry posts.
You scan still find nuggets of useful information and pleasant
camaraderie -- my reason for staying -- but the reality is that with
each passing year you have to wade through more and more noxious muck to
get to it. If you don't like having to wade, there are as other have
said plenty of other types of online discussion groups about coins that
don't have the ambiance of a 16th century insane asylum.
--
Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide
Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom
Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos
Nick Knight
> A foolproof solution for those of you who encounter an unwanted OT post
> in RCC or notice that a coin-related thread has wandered OT is to simply
>ignore it. Nothing fancy. No killfiles, psychological poster analysis, or
> posted rants necessary. Just ignore the damn thing. When these threads
>prosper, there obviously are some RCC'ers who must enjoy them. If you're
>not one of them, i-g-n-o-r-e the posts and stop whining like you're being
Well, I suppose that's one way to do it. However, when 60-70-80% of those
posts ARE the ones you want to ignore, why put any energy at all into
reading the subjects, over and over again? Automate, man. This is why
newsreaders have the feature ... it's simply part of the tool set. Use the
right tool for the right job. You can change a tire with the tire iron
provided with the car, and some would say that's "foolproof", but a
tire-cross (assuming a lack of available power tools) is so much more
quicker and efficient.
You know you can kill by poster OR subject/thread, right?
Sure, we should all stop complaining about the f-word abusers, or "Beanie"
and his gun-in-mouth suggestions. Yes, sadly, some RCC'ers (as if there is
some kind of official group or something) do enjoy this kind of stuff.
I'd prefer to call 'em like I see 'em (re: psychological poster analysis),
and then killfile. You do it your way, and suggest that way to others, and
I'll do the same. I still contend that my way works better ... although the
pre-twit-analysis is an optional component.
>forced to read every thing you see here. Personally, I would rather follow
> most non-political OT threads here than read repetative posts that steer
>people to one's latest eBay auctions.
Which are, interestingly enough, on topic. Go figure. I'm still scratching
my head, assuming you're not referring to me, as I've posted 4-5 auction
posts in the last 6 weeks (from memory). None for 2 years before that.
Well, no, it doesn't matter. Auction posts are still, at least, on-topic.
As is whining about the way the newsgroup is or isn't working. Can I say
"go figure" again?
Nick
Bremick
> In <ideots$6c6$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, on 12/04/2010
> at 08:12 PM, "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> said:
>
>> A foolproof solution for those of you who encounter an unwanted OT
>> post
>> in RCC or notice that a coin-related thread has wandered OT is to simply
>>ignore it. Nothing fancy. No killfiles, psychological poster analysis,
>>or
>> posted rants necessary. Just ignore the damn thing. When these threads
>>prosper, there obviously are some RCC'ers who must enjoy them. If you're
>>not one of them, i-g-n-o-r-e the posts and stop whining like you're being
>
> Well, I suppose that's one way to do it. However, when 60-70-80% of those
> posts ARE the ones you want to ignore, why put any energy at all into
> reading the subjects, over and over again? Automate, man. This is why
> newsreaders have the feature ... it's simply part of the tool set. Use
> the
> right tool for the right job. You can change a tire with the tire iron
> provided with the car, and some would say that's "foolproof", but a
> tire-cross (assuming a lack of available power tools) is so much more
> quicker and efficient.
If you decide to walk over to join in a conversation with some smokers,
don't complain about the smoke. If you know it will bother you, don't walk
over there. No tools or automation required. No energy expended either.
Just common sense.
>
> You know you can kill by poster OR subject/thread, right?
>
> Sure, we should all stop complaining about the f-word abusers, or "Beanie"
> and his gun-in-mouth suggestions. Yes, sadly, some RCC'ers (as if there
> is
> some kind of official group or something) do enjoy this kind of stuff.
>
> I'd prefer to call 'em like I see 'em (re: psychological poster analysis),
> and then killfile. You do it your way, and suggest that way to others,
> and
> I'll do the same. I still contend that my way works better ... although
> the
> pre-twit-analysis is an optional component.
>
>>forced to read every thing you see here. Personally, I would rather
>>follow
>> most non-political OT threads here than read repetative posts that steer
>>people to one's latest eBay auctions.
>
> Which are, interestingly enough, on topic. Go figure. I'm still
> scratching
> my head, assuming you're not referring to me, as I've posted 4-5 auction
> posts in the last 6 weeks (from memory). None for 2 years before that.
> Well, no, it doesn't matter. Auction posts are still, at least, on-topic.
> As is whining about the way the newsgroup is or isn't working. Can I say
> "go figure" again?
I think you'll find that this newsgroup is working the way it was designed
to. It's an unregulated and informal forum for people interested in coins.
That interest usually brings most people here out of curiosity. It
inevitably brings all types of people, too, from scholars to wackos. If
you're thin-skinned, this type of forum may not be for you. I suppose most
choose to lurk for a while rather than participate by posting or commenting.
There's nothing that says that those people interested in coins have to post
or comment only about coin-related things, any more than informal
conversations at a coin club meeting are limited to coin-only discussions.
I have mixed emotions about FA posts here. I usually just ignore them,
although I do admit I checked out your first recent FA post and ended up as
winning bidder in one of your auctions which I otherwise would never had
looked at. What can I say. If most of the posts here were from people
selling coins at auction, you'd probably see more complaints. If anything,
I'd rather see an RCC poster offering specific coins for sale to fellow RCC
readers rather than the "check out my auctions" posts.
Beanie
news:49bf4h....@news.alt.net...
> You scan still find nuggets of useful information and pleasant camaraderie --
> my reason for staying -- ...
What "pleasant camaradie" do you find here?
From what I can tell from past postings, you seem to despise everyone that posts
here and they in return seem to despise you.
Nick Knight
>If you decide to walk over to join in a conversation with some smokers,
>don't complain about the smoke. If you know it will bother you, don't walk
> over there. No tools or automation required. No energy expended either.
>Just common sense.
This is bit twisted ... backwards. First, I would certainly not walk over
to a group of smokers, who would no-doubt be pushed out in some remote
corner of the parking lot (well, that's how they do it at work). They have
their own little area if they care to smoke, and the workplace is
smoke-free, as its a place of work and not to smoke. There need not be any
automation ... people just follow the rules. When they come back in from
the cold, THEN maybe I'll talk to them.
This is a coin newsgroup. It's supposed to be for coin discussions. Not
for smokers, or chit-chat about childhood memories (unless about coins) or
the latest "go kill yourself" rant. I come here to read about coins and ask
related questions. There are "other areas" for idle chit-chat, tons of
them. Unfortunately, the rules are harder to enforce here ... everyone
thinks they can make them up themselves. People who follow the rules simply
use tools to automate. Hint: it's why the tools exist, because there is a
need for them. I didn't invent the tools; I'm just a user of them.
>I think you'll find that this newsgroup is working the way it was designed
> to.
No, that's not what I find. As a long time Usenet participant, I find that
there are groups that follow the rules better, and are more productive.
Specific groups were created for a reason, otherwise why have them at all?
The original design was to discourage off-topic posts. Over the years, we
have deteriorated into this. And "deteriorated" is the proper word (as long
as I've spelled it correctly :). You don't design pipes to be corroded and
leaky, or call it "by design" after-the-fact.
>I'd rather see an RCC poster offering specific coins for sale to fellow
>RCC readers rather than the "check out my auctions" posts.
Isn't that what an auction posting here is? I mean, I'll list something,
then usually try to announce it here quickly. Do I honestly think that
someone here will end up buying anything? Not really, but if there's
something of interest to someone, what's the harm? They ARE coins afterall.
Particularly when something is listed with a realistic BIN price. I've
purchased from and sold to many RCC'ers over the years. Often "off of" eBay
but because of eBay listings. In addition to it (again) being on-topic for
this group, auction postings are very coin-productive in many ways. Unlike
trips down memory lane.
I have found great underbidder support can come from listing on RCC. Thanks
guys.
Nick
Bremick
Just because you may have too few memories of your own to share, don't let
your jealousy of other posters' recollections get the best of you. Ignore
those who don't always play here the way you'd like them to. You're always
welcome to do your own thing -- announce your auctions, critique the tone of
others' posts, or use your tools to eliminate certain posters. As regular
RCC'ers become usenet "friends", they often like to make small talk here.
Big deal. If that irritates you, go elsewhere to some moderated group that
oozes nothing but coin talk. Nobody is forcing you to lurk or post here.
If you have nothing to contribute here besides criticism and eBay notices,
that's your choice. But lighten up on others who may enjoy the occasional
chat with fellow RCC'ers that <gasp> may not always be a coin-related
discussion.
Nick Knight
>Just because you may have too few memories of your own to share, don't let
>your jealousy of other posters' recollections get the best of you.
I'm sorry, but that's pathetically weak. Perhaps it's just that I have
real-life contacts to share with. It really works well, honest.
No, the proper thing is to continue to remind those making up their own
rules what, exactly, the real rules are. And if they refuse to get it, they
get killfiled. Again, you can do things however you want to, but I've got a
system that works for me. Hence, it's what I'll continue to do and suggest
to others.
Another interesting thing with killfiles is that they can be edited. I made
a pass through mine a few weeks ago and removed a couple of folks. Many
were left there as they've proven to be hopeless. But some came out. It's
easy to rethink and recheck. Constantly adjusting the tool.
I don't believe you've got anything else to add to this topic that I would
find useful. Last post included, being quite conservative. And I'm tired
of trying to talk logic against terrible analogies. Maybe someone else will
have a tidbit to add, but I'm done with you as far as this topic goes.
Nick
oly
> In <idf2ca$uu...@news.eternal-september.org>, on 12/04/2010
Your stuff is still OVERPRICED trash trash trash, and from what I can
see, you can't even get a good price when your coin sets DO have some
silver. Selling silver sets for less than melt AND paying ebay fees.
Hope you don't do this for a living.
oly
Jerry Dennis
> Your stuff is still OVERPRICED trash trash trash, and from what I can
> see, you can't even get a good price when your coin sets DO have some
> silver. Selling silver sets for less than melt AND paying ebay fees.
> Hope you don't do this for a living.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
BOYS!!! Fight nice!
Jerry
Apparently RCC's Daddy-Figure
Nick Knight
12/05/2010
>On Dec 5, 12:05 am, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Your stuff is still OVERPRICED trash trash trash, and from what I can
>> see, you can't even get a good price when your coin sets DO have some
>> silver. Selling silver sets for less than melt AND paying ebay fees.
>> Hope you don't do this for a living.
>BOYS!!! Fight nice!
Thanks, Jerry, for providing this comical rant for comment. As most
probably know, Oly is also not one of the nicest, most-well-balanced people
"here". Hence, he IS one of those "hopeless" posters who remain permanently
in my killfile. While I do believe he has some collecting knowledge, it's
not worth the trouble trying to extract it from the sewage that surrounds
it. There's just not enough value for the time it takes to distill it.
But let's explore this illogical rant a bit. Why? Because there IS much
humor in it.
First, no, as I've made obviously and clearly clear many times "here", and
its even spelled out in each of the item descriptions he's apparently looked
at, I'm selling all sorts of stuff I thought I collected but after 15 years
of sitting in file cabinets, it's apparent that I don't. Even though I did
add to the collection awhile back. And it may be less obvious (but not
really), but I'm quite lucratively employed as a software engineer. So, no,
I don't "do this for a living". This might also explain why I am so
sensitive to blatant flaws in logic displayed so proudly here; but that's
another topic.
I am *extremely* happy with how my eBay liquidation has gone. Funny, but
when I asked here awhile back about selling on eBay (after being offered 65%
of melt by a local dealer) ... hang on ... one response told me I'd do well
to trust eBay, and even old Oly suggested that I could probably do "better
than 65%" by visiting other dealers. Well, I've been able to muster, on
average, about 92% of melt (at the time of the sale). Some of the sets
actually sold much higher. AND then there are the secondary sales that
resulted after that.
In all, I've done way better than expected. Apparently the buyers are
happy, too. I've been a bit worried about overseas paypal trickery, but so
far I've had an excellent experience.
Perhaps Oly is confused and trying to hard. I know, I know, that would be
hard to believe <huge chucle>. If he's studied my past sales, he would see
sets from 6-7 weeks ago selling for what would be healthy bargains now. I
can't help that silver was averaging $25/oz when I started and it's now at
$29-something. This makes no difference to me; I'm glad I have the sets out
of my house and then even more happy if the recipients have netted a small
gain. Did I mention I purchased most of these sets about 15 years ago?
<rhetorical> Silver was around $4/oz at that time, I believe.
Of the sets closed to date, I've sold 81 of 87 lots, many with
"oly-overpriced" BINs. Of the 6 sets that didn't sell (all much lower
priced items), 2 sold this volley that is still open. The UK sets, while
always my personal favorites, seem to have the smallest market demand yet.
No problem ... 8 lots will sell in the next few days, the rest can be
relisted. Afterall, eBay is still offering 100 free listings, and I've used
none yet in December.
Oly, in the postings I've seen, seems to perceive himself as some kind of
business-savvy collector. Yet he apparently doesn't understand "the market"
and how one finds it. Lots of talk, but I wonder how active he actually is.
Sometimes old collectors don't really do much in the hobby, except sit at
their computers and share their "knowledge" with others. He does do THAT
very well. And I've personally valued his input accordingly, eh?
I'm not claiming to be an expert at anything. Nor am I "business savvy". I
AM a constant student. I believe I do ok in trying to get the most for what
I sell, and buy what I want for as little as I can. Isn't that the way this
is supposed to work? <again, rhetorical>. While I DID actually read Oly's
reply to my "Selling Foreign Silver?" question via google (again, I don't
typically see his posts), his words then don't really jive logically with
what he is spewing today. Dare I say .... Go Figure?
Nick
References:
"Selling Foreign Silver?" Thread
oly
> In <0811afe0-665e-4112-af1f-84068f17a...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, on
> 12/05/2010
I may be illogical, but I'm not angling to rip-off anybody with a
bogus line-of-'thought". Unlike Nick Knight.
The longer the bogus explaination, the more you should firmly place
your hand over your wallet.
oly