Re: PCGS Censorship of Legend Coins
Nick Knight
at 03:35 AM, Laura Sperber <lspe...@hotmail.com> said:
>Ok, this has reached ridiculous proportion. They deleted two threads w/my
>name in them tonight. I did not start them or have anything to do with
>them being posted.
Charlie? Is that you again???
Nick
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On 26-Feb-2011, "Nick Knight" <bhnc...@mr2ice.com> wrote:
> X-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 04:08:22 UTC (s03-b11.iad)
Well, yesterday at a coin show I saw a Morgan PCGS MS-64 "chop marks". So
something isn't right.
Jerry Dennis
> Ok, this has reached ridiculous proportion. They deleted two threads
> w/my name in them tonight. I did not start them or have anything to do
> with them being posted.
>
>
> The mear mention of my name or my companies name will get ANY thread-
> whether tame or not deleted on the PCGS forums (unless of course I am
> being ripped to shreds).
>
> I know of no other PUBLIC company that behaves this way.
>
> Yes indeed in the past when I was allowed on the PCGS site (I got thrown
> out of PCGS for being pissed and commenting about the gradeflation and
> doctoring I saw) I would be critical, BUT I never condemed them and they
> know damn well that until they pulled this stupid stunt I handled many
> high profile PCGS coins. Of course now I'm taking all the good stuff to
> NGC and working w/them about cleaning up whats out there (like I said,
> the Amazonian set isn't worth $6 million because its NGC now??).
> Salzberg never hid or sat there deleteing threads. And he NEVER talked
> down to me-even when we disagreed.
>
> Only dictators in 3rd world countries pull this BS. Which makes me
> wonder about how CLCT is really run? And how much do they care about the
> hobby?
>
> PCGS is a on a PROVEN path of harm to me. Sure Hall doesn't like me
> mouthing off-well I don't like seeing crap in holders-ok? If he wanted
> to sit down and appologize, I'd absolutely work with PCGS to help clean
> these issues up. But NO, all he wants to do is try and show the world HE
> will save coins from a slow gradeflation death and that I have no
> crediblity.
>
> Well bad news PCGS and CLCT. Soon you all will wish it was just me to
> squash. Much to my own displeasure, there are far bigger people pissed
> off who are actually now doing something about it (hell-I'll NEVER get
> my appolgy after they get done). Their efforts will be made public at
> FUN. Of course I will absolutely support them. And for the record, I had
> nothing to do with them organizing-and no, its NOT CAC related.
>
> So keep on deleting my name. Real classy for a public company who wants
> to be the leader in the hobby. Your just not going in the right
> direction. I'll just keep on building the BEST Collections EVER-in
> whatever holders I find the coins in. Piss me off further and I'll cross
> even more over. Take my word on it, I will continue to be a major player
> and postive news maker in the biz (who BTW, did $100 MILLION in biz in
> 2007). No matter how hard PCGS tries, they will never beat me at how
> good I am w/collectors or building the greatest collections that make
> headlines. You' think PCGS would want to work with someone like me.
>
> All I seek are NICE coins in holders. Unlike PCGS I am not seeking a
> war. I am not out to destroy PCGS and I don't not use their name in
> comments on my web site. Believe me, I could start the war to end all
> wars. However, now I am starting to really boil over this deletion crap.
>
> I think its time sharholders started asking questions about these
> issues-especially why managenment insists on this type of childish
> behavior. These issues (like gradeflation) very well WILL affect the
> companies future.
>
> Can't wait for my stalker to chime in-just another quality PCGS flunky.
I don't normally get involved in urination competitions, but I would
offer if PCGS doesn't like you or your opinions, perhaps NGC would
welcome you and your beliefs. Just a thought.
Jerry
Beanie
"Laura Sperber" <lspe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9E98DB...@94.75.214.39...
> Ok, this has reached ridiculous proportion. They deleted two threads
> w/my name in them tonight. I did not start them or have anything to do
> with them being posted.
>
> I want the shareholders to hear this story.
>
> The mear mention of my name or my companies name will get ANY thread-
> whether tame or not deleted on the PCGS forums (unless of course I am
> being ripped to shreds).
>
> I know of no other PUBLIC company that behaves this way.
...
So let's see if I've got your story straight:
You think that PCGS's message board, owned and operated by PCGS I presume,
should allow you to make posts there that denigrate, belittle and criticize the
product they are trying to sell?
I know of no PUBLIC company that would allow that.
mazorj
"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:ikegpn$r1$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Well, how about customer reviews on a vendor's website? Quite a few times I
was ready to click on Buy but a few or even one informative, well-stated
negative review made me back off. And in my experience, censoring on a
vendor website is fairly rare beyond the usual strictures against profanity,
etc.
However, this "Laura Sperber" isn't getting any sympathy from me. Half her
post is all about her - whining at being a victim, bragging that she's a
thorn in their side and that she isn't going to let their censorship stop
her, on and on until I couldn't care less about it even though I agree that
the PCGS posting policies are reprehensible. A pox on both their houses.
If it weren't my practice not to killfile anyone, she'd have been plonked
long ago.
Beanie
news:ikku61$i43$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Well, how about customer reviews on a vendor's website? Quite a few times I
> was ready to click on Buy but a few or even one informative, well-stated
> negative review made me back off. And in my experience, censoring on a vendor
> website is fairly rare beyond the usual strictures against profanity, etc.
That's true but posts that would knock the retailer itself probably wouldn't be
allowed.
I buy from Amazon.com frequently.
You can give the 3rd party vendors a review about their performance but items
sold & shipped by Amazon itself do not offer that option.
I read the vendor performance reviews carefully before purchasing from a 3rd
party vendor.
I also read the product reviews but one bad review among other good ones usually
won't affect my purchasing decision.
Another place where I pay particular attention is on eBay - I seldom will buy
from a seller with less than a 98% positive rating, unless the item offered is a
superlative bargain.
mazorj
"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:iklfo2$28e$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ikku61$i43$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Well, how about customer reviews on a vendor's website? Quite a few
>> times I was ready to click on Buy but a few or even one informative,
>> well-stated negative review made me back off. And in my experience,
>> censoring on a vendor website is fairly rare beyond the usual strictures
>> against profanity, etc.
>
> That's true but posts that would knock the retailer itself probably
> wouldn't be allowed.
I've seen plenty of reviews that figuratively equated the vendor with pond
scum. I seldom see extended, delerious rants so maybe the worst of those
are being deleted; but IMO a lot of online vendors have wisely adopted
policies of enlightened self-interest. The up side to allowing negative
reviews is that it builds credibility for the positive reviews that aren't
just obvious marketing plugs for the product. So just as I've bailed on
some purchases from an informed negative review, an informed positive review
can sell me on something that I had reservations about.
> I buy from Amazon.com frequently.
> You can give the 3rd party vendors a review about their performance but
> items sold & shipped by Amazon itself do not offer that option.
I buy through Amazon too, and have gotten many requests to review products I
bought. I'll have to pay attention now to whether they do that for their
direct sales as well as TPVs. Sounds like Amazon wants transparency on the
reliability of third-party vendors but considers itself above reproach?
> I read the vendor performance reviews carefully before purchasing from a
> 3rd party vendor.
> I also read the product reviews but one bad review among other good ones
> usually won't affect my purchasing decision.
Sussing out the reliability and usefulness of reviews is an art, not a
science. Sometimes a single informative, well-stated negative review will
send me running. Sometimes I just shake my head at the unrealistic, whining
pettiness of reviewers and ignore them.
> Another place where I pay particular attention is on eBay - I seldom will
> buy from a seller with less than a 98% positive rating, unless the item
> offered is a superlative bargain.
Doing the eBay version of "American Pickers" can be fun and profitable, but
you have to have the stomach for the risk and the aggravation. You also
have to have a sharp sense of where to spot the line between "superlative
bargain" and "too good to be true". Unless it's an item that I really,
really want and can't find elsewhere, I pretty much avoid the hassles and
risks of eBay nowadays. Too many horror stories from both buyers and
sellers.
Beanie
> Doing the eBay version of "American Pickers" can be fun and profitable, but
> you have to have the stomach for the risk and the aggravation. You also have
> to have a sharp sense of where to spot the line between "superlative bargain"
> and "too good to be true". Unless it's an item that I really, really want and
> can't find elsewhere, I pretty much avoid the hassles and risks of eBay
> nowadays. Too many horror stories from both buyers and sellers.
In addition to coins, I also collect old board games from the 1950s and 1960s -
eBay is a godsend in that area and has allowed me to get many old games at
bargain prices.
I also collect beer coasters and eBay is occasionally helpful there also.
As far as coins on eBay - other than junk silver, I only buy certified coins and
then only from what appear to be reliable dealers.
Tom Rogers
>
> So let's see if I've got your story straight:
> You think that PCGS's message board, owned and operated by PCGS I presume,
> should allow you to make posts there that denigrate, belittle and
> criticize the product they are trying to sell?
> I know of no PUBLIC company that would allow that.
>
CLCT and PCGS on the yahoo message board for some time. I don't own the
stock but I've been following her threads and I presume she is expert enough
to know. Does anyone know exactly what the grading problems are at PCGS and
if they are true?
Bremick
"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:ikm5s6$sho$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
What been coasters do you collect? Micros? Specific brewery, brand, or
time period? I have quite a few in my stock of breweriana.
mazorj
"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:ikm5s6$sho$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Since Bruce has given a nibble on beer coasters...
Any interest in the old Avalon Hill war games? Granted, they were a niche
area of the board game industry so you're either going to have zero
interest, or for the few who were bitten by the war game bug, you may want
to snap them up. Somewhere I have a box of several that survived the switch
to computer versions. (Which I'm also willing to part with, though you'd
need an old X86 PC or virtualized DOS environment to play them. The
earliest ones came on floppies, but I probably can dub the 3.5-inch disks to
CDs.) The computer versions are mint in the original boxes, the board
versions of course have been played for the countless hours squandered in my
teen years.
Anyone who might be interested should e-mail me directly.
Beanie
"Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ikmakq$9de$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I collect any and all beer company coasters. US or foreign.
Bremick
"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:ikmgkd$mf4$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
If you'll contact me with your address, I'll send you a couple dozen
different ones, mostly older US micros.
Steve Spradlin
> "Laura Sperber" <lsperb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Looks like they have booted many more people, including distinguished
dealer and former NGC
grader Mark Feld. Even the discussion about banning people has been
banned. You can see
the cache on google here
but if you click on the page links, it says topic not found.
Why is PCGS CENSORING the FREE SPEECH of its customers WHO PAY THEIR
SALARIES?
Gary
>
> - Show quoted text -
A bunch of people were banned when David Hall was offended that
someone made a warning
that some PCGS full bell line half dollars at a Heritage auction were
not what most collectors
considered full bell lines, and people should not trust the PCGS FBL
designation. Why doesnt
PCGS see this as an opportunity to improve their grading rather than
ban the messenger?
Tom Rogers
handing out of FLB status on Franklins by PCGS. Mark Feld and Bushmaster8
were both kicked off, and neither said anything way out of line. If the
owners of PCGS can't handle frank discussion of their product, how will they
improve and respond to the market?
I saw David Hall's response to bushmaster8, and it was both petty and scary.
Has anyone noticed the number of posts is way down? Only the koolaide
drinkers are willing to post.
"Steve Spradlin" <coing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jerry Dennis
> I caught the thread before it went poof. There was discussion of the lax
> handing out of FLB status on Franklins by PCGS. Mark Feld and Bushmaster8
> were both kicked off, and neither said anything way out of line. If the
> owners of PCGS can't handle frank discussion of their product, how will they
> improve and respond to the market?
>
> I saw David Hall's response to bushmaster8, and it was both petty and scary.
>
> Has anyone noticed the number of posts is way down? Only the koolaide
> drinkers are willing to post.
>
I've been sitting on the sidelines watching this thread. Now I have
something of value to offer.
First, censorship of their discussion board by PCGS isn't covered by
the First Amendment. Basically, it's their backyard, they can set the
rules anyway they want. And you're under no obligation to play if you
don't like the rules.
Second, David Hall is a poor businessman IF everything being tossed
out in this thread is true. I don't read PCGS's board so I can't
verify. But I own a home repair business. One of the things I tell
all of my customers, "If you like our work, tell your friends. If you
don't like our work, tell us." Something DH should consider.
Jerry
"A satisfied customer will tell five of their friends;
A dissatisfied customer will tell ten."