Coins and movies
Reid Goldsborough
2010, that prominently featured coin dealers and especially coin
collectors. Only in a somewhat not-so-favorable light, though not
unrealistic.
The movie was cute, about a college girl (same actress who played the
young bride in the film Mamma Mia) home for spring break who meets an
Army soldier home on leave. Turns out that the only real thing he and
his father had in common when he was growing up was coin collecting.
One day when this soldier was a boy of about eight he comes home with a
Jefferson nickel/Lincoln cent mule. The father and son take it to one
coin dealer who says it's just a novelty not worth much and offers him
$20 for it. No thanks. The dealer then says something like, "Just a
minute -- let me look at it again." (Hah.) The father and boy take the
coin to another coin dealer, this one a good guy, who shows them an
article in what looks like Coin World indicating that the mule is worth
$4,000. But he says something like, "As father to father, I'd hold onto
it if I were you and give it to your son when he's grown, and then he
can give it to his son, and so on." (Does this ever really happen? I
suppose so, rarely.)
The father, who previously knew nothing about coins, gradually becomes a
coin nut, spending each weekend going to coin shows. For some time his
son goes with him, but eventually he becomes disillusioned with what he
regards as his father's coin collecting obsession. They grow apart.
Back to the present, the father, still a coin nut, is portrayed as
having undiagnosed mild autism. Like all coin nuts. <g> For some strange
reason the father isn't shown collecting ancient coins, the oldest of
them all, which most sophisticated collectors know are the most
interesting. Anyway, he eventually dies of a stroke. But before he dies,
the son reads the father a letter he wrote to him about when he was
recently shot in Afghanistan. The last thing he thought of, before
losing consciousness, was the good times they had collecting coins when
he was a boy. After his father's death, the soldier sells his father's
coin collection but keeps the mule.
At the end of the movie the soldier reconnects with the Mamma Mia chick
-- they had previously become estranged. They embrace. The End.
Presumably they marry and have a son, who gets the mule. I don't know if
he goes on to become a sophisticated collector and collect ancients.
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Bremick
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With no apparent sex or violence, I doubt this a movie I'd particularly want
to pay to see. Now if the son were to angrily clip the mule in half with
some stolen tinsnips after being rebuffed by his father's girl friend......
A. Nony Moose
> ancients.
Nah, he probably goes on to be a supercilious, smarmy Usenet know-it-all who is
universally despised and mocked.
Anyway, where do you stand on the subject of enjoying the aroma of one's own
flatulence?
oly
> "Reid Goldsborough" <reidgolduse...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Naw, if the movie were accurate the father would be portrayed as a
tall, thin, aging, leprous registered sex offender who did what very
little low-grade coin and second-hand business he could from a Txrrant
Co. Post Office Box.
Also wrong in the accuaracy department is that IF there is a woman
involved in the son's life, he could hardly be a smarmy Usenet know-it-
all (with a proud collection of modern fake ancient coins) who is
universally despised and mocked. There just wouldn't be a woman
around in that case.
oly
'Working on some HQ Busch Bavarian farts right this very moment!'
Reid Goldsborough
> With no apparent sex or violence, I doubt this a movie I'd particularly want
> to pay to see. Now if the son were to angrily clip the mule in half with
> some stolen tinsnips after being rebuffed by his father's girl friend......
Ah, but the film did have sex and violence, so you can still watch it.
Just wasn't gratuitous or explicit and was in very short snippets. PG-13.
They showed the nickel/cent mule up close, though not knowing these I
couldn't tell if it was authentic or just some doctored piece that one
of the film's prop guys put together, sort of like the fake gold escudos
used in pirate movies that appear to be made of plastic.
When the son's girlfriend wanted to hold the mule, the father asked her
to put on a pair of cotton coin gloves. Kudos for that.
oly
wrote:
Gawd we love those soignee touches like that!!!
If it were true and realistic to the coin bidness "as it is", the
father would jam out the three ciggies he was smoking concurrently and
try to "feel up" the son's girlfriend with his hands that haven't been
washed for three weeks, all while the bitch held the "mule" rarity
between her thumb and forefinger.
And nobody would give a damn.
oly
Frank Provasek
broadcast on 14 December 1964 on CBS. This was the height of
the coin boom, fueled by the Kennedy half, the silver shortage,
ending of silver certificates, and the gov't releases (at face value)
of many previously rare silver dollars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMYRqfybFRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V02Gi3ksywY
(The program was broadcast in black & white, but Desilu wisely
filmed the original negative on color film, anticipating the future
value
of color reruns.)
Hurry, before this video gets taken down for copyright violation...
oly
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And I've jsut been watching that later Star Trek movie where Spock
tells Kirk "There's an old Vulcan saying, Captain - "Only Nixon can go
to China"...
And "The African Queen" is next.
Now them's celluloid.
oly
oly
Lucille Ball was undoubtedly one hell of a businesswoman, from start
to end.
oly
Bremick
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I would. I'd probably have to go see that.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Go to a big regional coin show (or even higher up the food chain).
You can see the smoking and unkemptness, 'tho not on the same large
scale as back in the olden days. Always lots of guys who look worse
for the drink too (rather hypocritical of me, I suppose).
As for good looking 'poontang' at coin shows, well, that's a lot more
scarce than in the old days.
oly
Bremick
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From what I remember, I always thought I could get a decent deal from the
fat old sweaty dealer with the unfiltered butt stuck to his lower lip. I
smoked, too, back then and I appreciated the use of their handy ash tray
while I looked over his stock. (Seems like half the place was filled with
smokers 50 years ago. Today you probably can't smoke at the Daytona 500.)
It was the rigid businessman in the suit & tie sitting behind his table that
more often scared me away. Obviously, I wasn't looking for Stack's
Auction-type material and the shows I attended weren't the really big ones.
Beanie
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> From what I remember, I always thought I could get a decent deal from the fat
> old sweaty dealer with the unfiltered butt stuck to his lower lip. I smoked,
> too, back then and I appreciated the use of their handy ash tray while I
> looked over his stock. (Seems like half the place was filled with smokers 50
> years ago. Today you probably can't smoke at the Daytona 500.) It was the
> rigid businessman in the suit & tie sitting behind his table that more often
> scared me away. Obviously, I wasn't looking for Stack's Auction-type material
> and the shows I attended weren't the really big ones.
The coin shows out by me are populated mostly by white mildly obese middle-aged
men - on both sides of the table!
Sometimes there will be a few kids and an unhappy wife dragged along with her
coin collecting hubby.
oly
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Mr. R, your memory and instincts are accurate (well, I really don't
know if Smokey Joe gave you a good deal or not), just as the movie
cited by the OP is horsehockey.
Of course, the movie is about "relationships" (sob, drip drip drip,
and where's Oprah when you need her?) and the movie producers no doubt
made a mistake with the flaky coin theme.
oly
Reid Goldsborough
> Readers might like the coin collecting episode of "The Lucy Show"
Talking about movies, well, not, but anyway, do you or anybody know the
time frame when these "Tulving" holders were used. You said 20 years ago
in one of your auctions, 25 years ago in another. I emailed Hannes
Tulving and asked him about the time frame in which he used these
holders to sell coins. He responded immediately, but only by saying he
only deals in bullion and doesn't know. I can understand his not wanting
anything to do with the time when he sold coins like these. I couldn't
find anything on the Web about when Tulving holders were used aside from
others who were also selling coins in them. Just curious. Part of
numismatic history.
oly
wrote:
Smooth, Reamo, real smooth.
Next, maybe you could e-mail old Mr. Hoody-hoo formerly of ACG and ask
him how he feels about "the lawsuit" after all this time.
oly
Frank Provasek
>
> Talking about movies, well, not, but anyway, do you or anybody know the
> time frame when these "Tulving" holders were used. You said 20 years ago
> in one of your auctions, 25 years ago in another. I emailed Hannes
> Tulving and asked him about the time frame in which he used these
> holders to sell coins. He responded immediately, but only by saying he
> only deals in bullion and doesn't know. I can understand his not wanting
> anything to do with the time when he sold coins like these. I couldn't
> find anything on the Web about when Tulving holders were used aside from
> others who were also selling coins in them. Just curious. Part of
> numismatic history.
Tulving was at 4000 MacArthur Blvd, Newport Beach in 1985, according
to the Numismatist, and his slabs all have the 5000 Birch St address
which was the address when he was shut down in 1990, It's probable
that these we used after PCGS and NGC slabs were introduced in
1986-87, and the high prices on the Tulving holders suggest the peak
year of 1989. That's probably as close as it can be pinned down. I
have never seen any of his ads that show the holders themselves, nor
any invoices or dates marked on any of holders I have handled.
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Frank Provasek Rare Coins www.frankcoins.com
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/frankcoins Texas Auction License
11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC, ICTA - Full Time Since 1991
Beanie
>Next, maybe you could e-mail old Mr. Hoody-hoo formerly of ACG and ask him how
>he feels about "the lawsuit" after all this time.
Speaking of the Accugrade lawsuit, what ever became of it?
Online, I found the legal papers but not the disposition of the suit.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
Mr. Bean, you'll find very few people here who will answer that
inquiry. I'll bet that even the resident cross-eyed pansy twat won't
go there.
In my memory, the outrageous Tulving guarantee was a product of the
time period 1988-1993. Then the coin industry had a sharp downturn
based on the collapse of the Morgan and Peace Silver Dollar bubble and
all the over-promisers had to go short on their promises. Lots of
speculators of that period then went into U.S. Paper Money, where the
supply was much less abundant and thus easier to control than silver
dollars.
oly
Frank Provasek
>
> Mr. Bean, you'll find very few people here who will answer that
> inquiry. I'll bet that even the resident cross-eyed pansy twat won't
> go there.
>
fund representing RCC members. They could not reveal the amount due
to a confidentiality agreement, but did say they were very happy,
Frank Provasek
>
> Lucille Ball was undoubtedly one hell of a businesswoman, from start
> to end.
>
Jess Oppenheimer, the producer of "I Love Lucy," created the persona
of the scatterbrained redhead as an independent contractor, and
received a royalty for use of the "Lucy" character. When Miss Ball
(as sole owner of Desilu after her divorce from Desi) came back on TV
with "The Lucy Show," she claimed the character was "Based on "Life
Without George" by Irene Kampen," a little-known book which all TV
rights were obtained for a few thousand dollars. Oppenheimer sued
Ball claiming that the character was really based on his Lucy Ricardo
character. The court agreed that the character of Lucy Carmichael was
essentially the same as Lucy Ricardo and Oppenheimer got payments made
on this and her follow up "Here's Lucy" show as well.
oly
Desilu was far far bigger than "Lucy" alone. The Desilu Studio was
huge in its day.
oly
Jud
Bringing this thread back OT and referencing the OP, perhaps someone
can enlighten me. Is it even POSSIBLE for a cent/nickel mule to exist?
I can see where dies of similar sized coins could create a mule (cent/
dime, quarter/small dollar, etc), but a little help here from our
error experts...could such a thing happen?
Jud -Remembering when errors were called "Fidos")
Jud
oly
Reality is for people who can't handle drugs (and make mine
alcohol).
Reality is considerably overrated.
Also, except for a few bums, how many people follow RCC (kinda like
the Chicago Cubs!!!). Let the conversation range where it may!!!
Now, I've dabbled in error coins (primarily modern U.S. off-centers) -
interesting stuff bought and subsequently sold - and the hype is
considerable.
I suspect that mules from the world's legitimate Mints can't much
exist unless the diameters of the coins involved are almost exact (if
not in fact - exact). Otherwise, there is some nefarious scheme
underway.
I have also been informed that nowadays, the "barrels" of the dies
themselves are tooled/shaped so the technician can't set them up in
the press itself with non-matching obverses and reverses. This is
hearsay, however, but I believe it to be correct.
oly
"bavarianally"
oly
And BTW, the OP shares one trait (probably more than one, actually)
with good ol' Uncle Walter - if he don't know (much more than gawd-
damn likely), well then he'll just make it up.
oly
Bremick
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Not long before that, they were called "errors", but I guess it didn't catch
on.