anyone finding great lincolns
james durham
thats the best part of this hobby. you can allways find things you want
and need. just today i learned a thing or two about varieties. my friend
discovered a 2004 that had a extra bit to the columns on lincolns side.
i even found that he had pictured it so well that i can see whats up.
and try finding them now. best part is you can still find nice ones of
them untoned or not dirty. im going to rol hunt tomorrow and see if i
can get some san francisco mints or wheats or canadians or 20 or 2010
maybe some foreign stuff.
Scurvy Dog
"james durham" <james_d...@msn.com> wrote in message
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I got a fine 1937P cent in change the other day.
james durham
roll hunting (impersonates elmer fudd poorly lol) be very very quite im
hunting wheaties lol
james durham
penny is coming my first
dwhe...@ipns.com
I did recently find an excellent 1909 S VDB, but not in a coin roll.
This came in an old Dansco album, which it was misplaced as a 1909 S.
Took to several dealers, who confirmed the date and authenticity. Sent
to PCGS, sent back as 1909 S authentic, but with an altered surface.
Still, sold for $705.
Daniel B. Wheler
Scurvy Dog
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Yes and I found a MS70 1916D Merc dime in my breakfast cereal this morning,
complete with PCGS slab!
I took it to several dealers, who confirmed the date and authenticity.
I'm currently taking offers...
Reality
> <dwhee...@ipns.com> wrote in message
Actually, what he said is possible. My wife's cousin was recently
cleaning out her attic and found a bunch of coins that her father
presumably assembled in the late 50s to early 60s. She knows that I'm
into coins and sent them to me to look at. I estimate there is around
$5,000 to $6,000 worth of original, uncleaned stuff in old Whitman
folders including several tough date VF to AU Indian Head and Lincoln
Pennies, Buffs and Mercs, along with some really nice old type.
Admittedly, that is the exception rather than the rule, IMO.
james durham
mint from roll hunting im predicting this coin gets a 60 to a 65 in
grade but whatever it gets will be my first graded coin and not for sale
as it will be a free grade and my oldest S mint from a roll which is the
reason im grading it at all because its my best coin condition wise im
still new to this and havent bought keys just yet
Jason Burke
Does anyone have a babble-sense to English converter? I'd really like to
read this post, but it's just gibberish as is.
james durham
an old coin like that in a roll its not in the best of shape but its not
exactly the worst i have seen either
dwhe...@ipns.com
So happy for you ... another form of non-digestible fiber.
I didn't post the best part: the penny album was sent as a bonus for
winning a Shield/Liberty Nickel album.
The altered surface of the 1909 S VDB was apparently caused by long-
term exposure to tape, some of which remained on the album.
Sometimes those freebies are MOST interesting.
Daniel B. Wheeler
Ken Fscher
I listed a few minor mint errors and die damage
cents on ebay this week, one is a 1995P cent I took
out of a sealed mint bag and it looks like a strike
through, not a scratch on the reverse;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330424494226&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
330424494226
I had a "Whoa" when I was listing a 1916P Mercury
tonight and the picture of the reverse looked as if
there was a D but with the die mostly filled;
http://members.iglou.com/kefischer/01April7/D1916-R.jpg
I am trying out the ebay 10 cent saving program listing
everything with a starting price of 99 cents, I may be giving
things away, like BU rolls of wheats and 1969S and 1970S,
with $2.00 or less postage.
I have about $750 dollars invested in 1995P cents,
I'll be lucky to get half that out of them, I only have
4 or 5 bags left.
I just sold a steel cent for a good price, but there
is very selective bidding now, slot car stuff is not, the
rest is not so hot.
Peter
> I had a "Whoa" when I was listing a 1916P Mercury
> tonight and the picture of the reverse looked as if
> there was a D but with the die mostly filled;
I must be confused. I don't see a 'mostly filled' D, anywhere on the
dime. It certainly is not where the mintmark usually appears.
dwhe...@ipns.com
>
> 330424494226
>
> I had a "Whoa" when I was listing a 1916P Mercury
> tonight and the picture of the reverse looked as if
> there was a D but with the die mostly filled;
>
> http://members.iglou.com/kefischer/01April7/D1916-R.jpg
>
Made me look. Don't see it.
Daniel B. Wheeler
celtex
"james durham" <james_d...@msn.com> wrote in message
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I average about 7 wheat's a week hunting old houses with metal detector
condition varies. Oldest wheat to date is a 1910 in excellent shape a most
beautiful patina. I usually find 1 silver per 5-6 wheat's. So wheat's are
good barometers for what might lie in the yards.
mazorj
"celtex" <jimdn...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
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Be sure to check everywhere under old linoleum floor coverings. Based on a
find or two I know of, I suspect that there may have been a custom of
planting a shiny new penny under new linoleum floor jobs as a good luck
charm for the house. In their protected niche they come up with lots of
mint sheen still showing under a thin film of oleate deposits that yield to
generally harmless cleaning methods. It's hard to imagine anyone being so
careless as to accidentally leave them there, especially back when a penny
actually could buy something.
Ken Fscher
wrote:
I have a 30 power loupe, and I don't see it
on the coin, but when I look at the picture, "it looks
as if there was a D".
I searched to see if there was filled die strikes
cataloged and found a statement about 264,000
strikes and half a million coins in collections. :-)
For now I consider it an optical illusion,
but I won't list the coin.
sgt23
I think you can be pretty confident if you didn't see a D under that
much magnification it does not exist.
Jerry Dennis
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Oh, goodie! Something I can respond to. If you ever have the
opportunity, OLD time constructioners would nail a cent to the front
door frame of the house they were building. Usually a hole was
drilled through the cent and nailed in place, since nails back then
were somewhat expensive. As nails became cheaper, the coin would be
"triangled" with nails.
Jerry
mazorj
"Jerry Dennis" <JDen...@aol.com> wrote in message
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...
< Oh, goodie! Something I can respond to. If you ever have the
opportunity, OLD time constructioners would nail a cent to the front
door frame of the house they were building. Usually a hole was
drilled through the cent and nailed in place, since nails back then
were somewhat expensive. As nails became cheaper, the coin would be
"triangled" with nails.
<
< Jerry
Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall my father (who was a carpenter)
once telling me about how the "old-timers" sometimes would do that. Too bad
for the ones that were holed, though. Another technique would have been to
stash them in a spot that didn't require any fastening, such as in the
grooved inletting under a door sill or behind the inletted clamshell edge
trim along the top of the doorway.
Which I just realized hearkens directly back to ancient times when entryways
often were festooned with items and symbols to guard against evil gods and
spirits or propitiate the friendlier ones. It's amazing how some of these
primitive traditions have survived into modern times. And not all of them
are done on the sly. The tradition of the groom carrying his bride over the
threshold is rooted in the significance of doorways. And we still cling to
our many manifestations of the "lucky penny," such as inserting one in new
wallets and "penny loafer" moccasins. (Not to mention the obsolete but
presumably still extant practice of placing pennies on the eyes of the
departed.) Who knows, some day we may see numismatic metal detectors
fighting over trash heaps that are target-rich in old shoes and pocketbooks.
:-)
Poking around in attic woodwork and other concealed spots and even in
masonry can reveal other interesting workman "souvenirs". Skilled tradesmen
often would leave their names or initials, dates, and comments as a sort of
"Kilroy was here" message. Sometimes they'd leave a trinket or two, which I
suppose would qualify them as "construction exonumia". Or as ancestors of
the trinkets planted as a reward to successful geo-trackers.
- mazorj, Amateur Nail-Banger
mazorj
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Actually, anything over 5x is good mostly for spotting and identifying
extremely tiny isolated details like whether a really small dot is perfectly
circular or slightly elliptical.
That means that super-magnification tends to lose the bigger picture of the
forest's patterns of trees. These are better identified with low
magnification or the naked eye. Once identified that way, closer
examination under higher power (especially with stereo microscopes) gets you
into the realm of nailing down specific die markers, looking for obscure
hints of counterfeiting, etc.
sgt23
> "sgt23" <bravesfandevo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Has he tried that yet, and if he doesn't see the D, are there any
other possibilities?
mazorj
How would I know?
< and if he doesn't see the D, are there any other possibilities?
Sure. When directly viewing the coin it could be something as simple as a
latent, vaguely D-shaped surface discoloration visible only under certain
lighting, angles, magnifications, etc. If you're looking at an image file
or print, it could be an artifact that is not present on the coin but
something that got added by uneven lighting, the lens, limitations or
defects on the imaging chip, the camera's recording algorithms,
post-production "enhancement" software, or issues with the viewing monitor
or printer.
Sorry you asked? :-)
Ken Fscher
But then, again, the 1922 No D was a filled die,
luckily the reverse helps in identification.
I am very interested in the numismatic technical
happenings to the dies, both die damage and man
made. I think a lot of attempts to repair some dies
are tried to keep the press going, and the coins are
the only clues about those.
That is why I have so many pennies selling on
ebay, it is a shame the mint quit selling 5000 coin
bags.
Ken Fscher
I see the D on the existing images and with a 5 power
large diameter lens I use (the cross-hair focusing lens from
a WWII fighter plane gunsight).
It is a very classic D image with the bottom left
missing and a groove down the middle of the top,
but it may be a little too big to be a mint mark,
I will be trying to find images that show the size
relative to the other devices.
I bought a refurbished Olympus that focuses
down to 0.4 inches and made a hand-held copy
stand that seems to work good when the camera
is not acting up, the thing just has too many
bells and whistles. So if I find out anything
definite and get some better pictures I will
post them.
With only 264,000 strikes there should
not have many dies used, that is helpful.
My 1956P Lincoln with a die crack on the
forehead and a die chip on one side of the
crack that looks like ooze did not sell on
ebay, the picture didn't turn out good, but
I have a couple more examples where the
chip got bigger causing a bigger ooze. :-)
There was a couple of bidders on the
ie in liberty 1957. And I am trying a way
to ship rolls in a padded mailer for less
than $2.50 first class package, I will
ask the first few buyers to let me know
if any coins get damaged.
I bought quite a few bank rolls of
56, 57 and 58 cents from somebody
posting here about 8 years ago, and
I opened them all, and some are really
nice, I like to expose them to the air
to see if they stay red and shiny.
sgt23
No I'm not really sorry asked, I'm always interested in learning
something new, and broadening my field of knowledge in the Numismatic
field. Thanks for feeling me in!
sgt23
I feel that mint is only interested in what the investors want, and no
longer are interested in listening too the collectors. I guess it
doesn't really matter that we the collectors came along way before the
investor. If this was a business ran by me or you and we dropped our
main customers, we would have been out of business a long time ago.
Just my opinion, for whatever that might be worth.
sgt23
Maybe your right and your 1916 Mercury is a Denver production, I am in
no way an expert on error or damaged coins. I'm just looking for a
discussion about coins :D
mazorj
Glad to be of help - even if I'm not sure that I want to be guilty of
"feeling you in". ;-)
Ken Fischer
I think they went to the big hopper bags for
cents because of the huge volume of cents to
handle. There always was a cadre of high level
dealer investors that had an in with some sections
of the Mint or FRB, and they got early news of finds
and were able to buy up all likely bags.
Now it is the coin services that can make out
as long as they aren't bound by an agreement
with the Mint to return any errors.
I had a funny thing happen about 8 years ago,
I asked a dealer in SC for specific date bags of P cents
as near to early April 1995 as possible, and when they
came, the buckets had gone to the West Point Mint
before coming here.
I live in West Point, but not New York, and my
zip code is much different, so while it was probably
simply a postal misdirection, it made me wonder.
One of my brockage cents did not sell with
a starting bid of 99 cents, after looking at it again
it is obvious that it was hit a second time with a
blank planchet, the rim on one side is flat along
with smashed liberty and date and flatened area
on the bust.
Minor errors are poo-pooed by some experts,
they should be promoted because the things that
cause them are the most interesting part of the
treasure hunting aspect of the hobby.
I have some 1995P cents with a very short
die crack between the U and N in UNUM, like
U-NUM, it is unusual in that it isn't just a raised
line on the coin buy a deep crack, I don't see
how the metal could have opened up enough
to have such a deep crack.
I read a good article on the 1995P DD, it
makes a lot of sense, but there seems to be
an over-confidence in all other types of what
looks like doubling as just machine damage,
I have trouble understanding how a die can
shift or bounce and only do damage to one
or two letters or numbers and not others.
sgt23
LOL, At least your not trying to feel me up. Sorry that was wrong...
Any ways thanks again!
Farmer Dave
wrote:
I worked with a roofer once who would put a dollar bill under the
shingles. His thought was to leave something for the next roofer to
find!
Dave
Ken Barr
<58ab1a68-a7bb-4dc8...@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Dennis <JDen...@aol.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Oh, goodie! Something I can respond to. If you ever have the
> opportunity, OLD time constructioners would nail a cent to the front
> door frame of the house they were building. Usually a hole was
> drilled through the cent and nailed in place, since nails back then
> were somewhat expensive. As nails became cheaper, the coin would be
> "triangled" with nails.
Still being done today ... but using a token rather than a cent.
http://www.kenbarr.com/JPGS/TOKhabitathumanity.jpg
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San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Santa Clara 4/9-11 table 437 w/ Mac's Coins
mazorj
"Farmer Dave" <farme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the example! That sounds like exactly what we were describing -
the role of coins (and now bills) in workmen's ancient traditions and
superstitions. This may go back, say, to medieval roofers putting a penny
under a basilica's roof as an offering and a symbol of his faith, in order
to get in God's good graces for doing his holy work. If so, he was
unknowingly perpetuating pagan roofing practices to propitiate their gods,
just as the modern roofer has no idea that devout journeymen members of the
roofers' guild (presumably) were doing it centuries ago.
Your friend got the idea as passed along from some old-timer, and now
carries on the tradition. Even though the penny got inflated to a dollar
and the reason was not as a tribute to God's glory but to plant the
equivalent of a four-leaf clover as a lucky find for the next roofer, the
basic practice survives through the generations.
The problem for modern craftsmen is, which penny to use? Copper or clad?
Slabbed or unslabbed? Will one mint mark suffice or must you do the
complete P-D-S? Perhaps one of the Lincoln historic series cents? If so,
which one? A shield cent? Can you even get those in your area? Or will
you have to go the tacky route and settle for that mottled but reasonably
shiny 2003-D you got in change from your McDonald's breakfast?
mazorj
"Ken Barr" <k...@kenbarr.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <58ab1a68-a7bb-4dc8...@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Jerry Dennis <JDen...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> Oh, goodie! Something I can respond to. If you ever have the
>> opportunity, OLD time constructioners would nail a cent to the front
>> door frame of the house they were building. Usually a hole was
>> drilled through the cent and nailed in place, since nails back then
>> were somewhat expensive. As nails became cheaper, the coin would be
>> "triangled" with nails.
>
> Still being done today ... but using a token rather than a cent.
>
> http://www.kenbarr.com/JPGS/TOKhabitathumanity.jpg
Cool! It won't replace coins, but the concept behind the tradition clearly
lives on - now as an officially institutionalized practice. I wouldn't be
surprised if the devout Jimmy Carter had a role in it. Thanks.
Hmmm... sounds like the basis for a new Mint series. Sold only in complete
sets, you get all the pre-holed cents you'll need with all the legends for
specific uses: Bless This House, Bless This Roof, Bless This Porch, Bless
This Toilet...
Jerry Dennis
> In article
> <58ab1a68-a7bb-4dc8-bde8-f858efba2...@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Jerry Dennis <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Oh, goodie! Something I can respond to. If you ever have the
> > opportunity, OLD time constructioners would nail a cent to the front
> > door frame of the house they were building. Usually a hole was
> > drilled through the cent and nailed in place, since nails back then
> > were somewhat expensive. As nails became cheaper, the coin would be
> > "triangled" with nails.
>
> Still being done today ... but using a token rather than a cent.
>
> http://www.kenbarr.com/JPGS/TOKhabitathumanity.jpg
>
> --
> Ken Barr Numismatics email: k...@kenbarr.com
> P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
> San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
> 408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Santa Clara 4/9-11 table 437 w/ Mac's Coins
That's nice. I never saw a token like that.
Jerry
Ken Barr
<b81bb1eb-f88d-465a...@y14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Dennis <JDen...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 3:13�am, Ken Barr <k...@kenbarr.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <58ab1a68-a7bb-4dc8-bde8-f858efba2...@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > �Jerry Dennis <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Oh, goodie! �Something I can respond to. �If you ever have the
> > > opportunity, OLD time constructioners would nail a cent to the front
> > > door frame of the house they were building. �Usually a hole was
> > > drilled through the cent and nailed in place, since nails back then
> > > were somewhat expensive. �As nails became cheaper, the coin would be
> > > "triangled" with nails.
> >
> > Still being done today ... but using a token rather than a cent.
> >
> > http://www.kenbarr.com/JPGS/TOKhabitathumanity.jpg
> >
> That's nice. I never saw a token like that.
I've picked up a few over the years. I suspect that the Habitat For
Humanity volunteers who help construct the houses are either given a few
as souvenirs of their labors, or "liberate" them as a memento of their
good work.
If you want one, email me your snailmail address and I'll send ya one.
(Everyone else can watch eBay ... since I took the time to photograph
it, I might as well list it!)
--
Ken Barr Numismatics email: k...@kenbarr.com
P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Vallejo Numismatic Society 5/2 (no table)
Kidd Joe
for $189.95 ... HAHAHAHAHAHA
sgt23
> I recently discovered a Coin Vault selling 60 rolls of Lincoln cents
> for $189.95 ... HAHAHAHAHAHA
My friend found a box out in California today for $25.00 at a bank.