Toned Morgan display at FUN
stonej
Mike Marotta
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Corroded.
Toning is to corrosion as passing away is to dying.
The coins are corroded. Admittedly, they are pretty. Certainly, a
complete set of Morgans is worthy... even if they are all corroded.
There is no such thing as "artificial" toning -- except if you apply
colors, as with enamel or oil paints, etc.
Spruce -- artificial Christmas tree
Candle -- incandescent bulb shaped like a flame
Log fireplace -- rotating foil in front of colored lights
Leg -- artificial leg
Hair -- toupe
born 20/20 -- glasses to make you 20/20
fingernails -- LeNails acrylic appliques
Do you see the pattern?
Corrosion is corrosion, no matter if it takes eight second, eight
hours or eight years. And if time is the true test, what is the
objectively right time?
Just because a roll was in a bank vault for 100 years, does not mean
that it took 100 years to tone. It might not have toned at all for
six years three months and 21 days and then a change in temperature
and humidity caused toninng in a few hours and then it stabilized and
stayed that way for 78+ more years. You don't know. It would take
some serious laboratory studies -- aside from the artful doctoring of
specialists in toned coins -- to determine the parameters in a
rigorous way.
Corrosion can be pretty or plain, attractive or detracting, but it is
corrosion nonetheless.
And it is all natural.
Mike M.
Michael E. Marotta
"Nice suntan."
Bruce Remick
"Mike Marotta" <mer...@torchlake.com> wrote in message
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Corroded.
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Apparently, collectors who favor highly-toned silver coins don't really care
about a technical analysis of the toning, any more than they want to hear
exactly what's in their yogurt or hot dog. Personally, I'm a fan of blast
white silver, but I can truly appreciate certain MS specimens with a hint of
deep subtle toning and might even pay a premium for the right one. But many
of those toned Morgans on display look gaudy, tacky, and purposely toned to
me. Like looking at a person with an radical overkill of tatoos all over
his or her body, instead of some tastefully-scattered anchors, Mom's, or
hearts. IMO, from the photos I've seen, the Morgans in question simply were
stored improperly, allowing the original appearance to degenerate wildly, or
corrode as you put it. It will always amaze me that so many people will
pay a premium over blast white for these abberations, but then I don't get
out much.
note.boy
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I've posted this comment before, colourfully toned coins are most popular in
the USA and by a strange co-incidence 99% of colourfully toned coins are USA
coins. Spooky.
The Hill Billies in Deliverance were, I believe, keen collectors of coins
with purty colours. Billy
Jud
note.boy wrote:
> I've posted this comment before, colourfully toned coins are most popular in
> the USA and by a strange co-incidence 99% of colourfully toned coins are USA
> coins. Spooky.
>
> The Hill Billies in Deliverance were, I believe, keen collectors of coins
> with purty colours. Billy
"Wheeeeee wheeeee wheeeeee!!!"
Thats how I feel every time I buy something on eBay, get a TPG, or buy
an overpriced coin that I 'just have to have'.
8-)
som...@some.domain
>On Dec 29, 6:53=A0pm, Mike Marotta <merc...@torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Toning is to corrosion as passing away is to dying.
>
>fall.
>
>> Corrosion can be pretty or plain, attractive or detracting, but it is
>> corrosion nonetheless.
>> And it is all natural.
>
>over real-world distinctions. It is not "all natural." Some of it is
>induced, deliberately and purposefully, using air-transfer chemical
>delivery systems, over a period of hours. Some of it happens by
>sitting in collections, one after another, over many decades. Big
>difference. Some of the former coins makes it into the slabs of PCGS
>and NGC. Some of the latter coins don't, deemed too ugly. Then there's
>a large gray area in between. This is hugely interesting area and
>commentary about numismatics, and it strikes me as something else you
>should strive to get to the bottom of by bringing people downtown.
do you think setting the conditions for natural toning is bad? i put some
common date ase's in a canvas bank bag. just the ordinary every day one's.
after a year, there is definite toning on the coins. it's starting as a ring
on the rims and is moving inbound. the colors are from brown to steel.
i have no plans other than casual observation until the day silver goes whacko
and it's dump the common and bullion day.
you know i'm not trolling you, so just your opinion?
i suspect people do it for gain, but it isn't a "fake" method like the
chemical tones.
happy new year, also.
to everyone in rcc.
Reid Goldsborough
Attractive toning is considered, well, attractive by most collectors.
It is just corrosion, but it's an interesting aspect to numismatics,
how coins age. It does get faked, but that's a part of the game of
numismatics too. The harsh reality is that if it's done well enough
and you can't tell it was quickly induced, it's not considered fake.
There are some coin doctors who make their living getting AT coins
into the holders of the big, legitimate grading services. Another
interesting aspect is that with modern coins, quickly induced toning
is generally considered, by collectors anyway, as a no-no, but it's
accepted for the most part in the preparation or curating of ancient
coins after they've come from the ground and been cleaned.
som...@some.domain
>On Jan 1, 12:36=A0am, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <60a23fac-bf99-4cab-86af-4771a31ff...@l42g2000yqe.googlegroups=
>..com>, Reid Goldsborough <reidgoldsboro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Dec 29, 6:53=3DA0pm, Mike Marotta <merc...@torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Toning is to corrosion as passing away is to dying.
>>
>> >And beautiful foliage is just dying leaves before they turn brown and
>> >fall.
>>
>> >> Corrosion can be pretty or plain, attractive or detracting, but it is
>> >> corrosion nonetheless.
>> >> And it is all natural.
>>
>> >More stupidity quasi-cleverly delivered, simplistic thinking glossing
>> >over real-world distinctions. It is not "all natural." Some of it is
>> >induced, deliberately and purposefully, using air-transfer chemical
>> >delivery systems, over a period of hours. Some of it happens by
>> >sitting in collections, one after another, over many decades. Big
>> >difference. Some of the former coins makes it into the slabs of PCGS
>> >and NGC. Some of the latter coins don't, deemed too ugly. Then there's
>> >a large gray area in between. This is hugely interesting area and
>> >commentary about numismatics, and it strikes me as something else you
>> >should strive to get to the bottom of by bringing people downtown.
>>
>> do you think setting the conditions for natural toning is bad? i put some
>..
>> after a year, there is definite toning on the coins. it's starting as a r=
>ing
>> on the rims and is moving inbound. the colors are from brown to steel.
>hacko
>> and it's dump the common and bullion day.
>> you know i'm not trolling you, so just your opinion?
>> i suspect people do it for gain, but it isn't a "fake" method like the
>> chemical tones.
>> happy new year, also.
>> to everyone in rcc.
>
>Attractive toning is considered, well, attractive by most collectors.
>It is just corrosion, but it's an interesting aspect to numismatics,
>how coins age. It does get faked, but that's a part of the game of
>numismatics too. The harsh reality is that if it's done well enough
>and you can't tell it was quickly induced, it's not considered fake.
>There are some coin doctors who make their living getting AT coins
>into the holders of the big, legitimate grading services. Another
>interesting aspect is that with modern coins, quickly induced toning
>is generally considered, by collectors anyway, as a no-no, but it's
>accepted for the most part in the preparation or curating of ancient
>coins after they've come from the ground and been cleaned.
Jon Purkey
I generally prefer the toning to match the age and grade of the coin.
But sometimes I see a toned modern coin or a bright white older coin
that strikes my interest.
som...@some.domain
yes. you really do have to go coin by coin.