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Anonymous

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Dec 30, 2008, 2:20:46 AM12/30/08
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Ebay is officially engaged in organized crime! They can no longer claim
ignorance of the rare coin fraud taking place on their auction web sight!
My account was banned from Ebay's discussion boards. I was never warned,
never contacted about anything, just get an email from Rebecca N with Ebay
moderation team that I am indefinitely banned.

Supposedly for being hateful and threatning, which I did no such thing.
What I did do however was make a post about the sellers of fake coins in
fake PCGS and NGC slabs being sold from China. And provided links to the
articles on the PCGS and NGC web sight to show how to tell they are fakes.
And warning collectors to be careful.

Apparently Ebay didn't like the fact that many of their Sellers were
indirectly exposed!! Because there was no other legitimate reason to ban
me.

Now, combine this with the FACT that Ebay will remove prehaps half of the
listings for fakes even when they are notified and given proof that the
seller is fraudulent, and IMHO this pretty well disproves Ebay's claims of
ignorance of the scamming going as completely false and untrue!! Refusal to
take action when informed with proof of a scammer seller, covering up of
information on their discussion boards that helps collectors expose these
fraudulent sellers, removal of member's rights to post for giving consumers
the information to avoid these scammers, need I really go on!!??

If you read the section explaining my supposed violation you will quickly
see that I actually did NO actual violation of the rules. I made sure I had
actually read every single term and condition of the rules/agreement before
I started making posts on their boards so I was positive to stay within the
guidelines so as NOT to violate them. As I was not out to break any rules,
just help spread the awareness. How is this being hate to anything except
crime?

So, they truly are, not only ignoring and allowing the fraud taking place on
their website, they are ACTIVELY covering up any attempts to educate the
consumer so they won't get scammed by these unscrupulous sellers!! This is
basically, as I see it and comprehend it, aiding and abetting the criminals
in their fraud and scams!


note.boy

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Dec 30, 2008, 5:28:29 AM12/30/08
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I find it amazing that anyone would be foolish enough to buy anything from
an ebay seller based in China. Billy


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Bruce Remick

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Dec 30, 2008, 9:10:12 AM12/30/08
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"Anonymous" <anon...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message
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So, Anonymous. What would you have us all do now? Bail out of eBay
because of a perceived injustice done to you? You went into eBay's
backyard with your carefully-crafted criticism. They didn't care for it and
kicked you out of their yard altogether. Happens sometimes to well intended
activists who insist on sacrificing themselves in order to save or "protect"
everyone else. Cheer up. Maybe you'll be eligible for the Martyr's Hall of
Fame.

PeterD

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Dec 30, 2008, 10:03:46 AM12/30/08
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:20:46 -0600, "Anonymous"
<anon...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote:

>Ebay is officially engaged in organized crime! They can no longer claim
>ignorance of the rare coin fraud

If the fraud is so rare, why care? Geezze...

> taking place on their auction web sight!
>My account was banned from Ebay's discussion boards. I was never warned,
>never contacted about anything, just get an email from Rebecca N with Ebay
>moderation team that I am indefinitely banned.

And their TOS including a warning clause? If so you should complain.


>
>Supposedly for being hateful and threatning, which I did no such thing.

Prove it.


>What I did do however was make a post about the sellers of fake coins in
>fake PCGS and NGC slabs being sold from China. And provided links to the
>articles on the PCGS and NGC web sight to show how to tell they are fakes.
>And warning collectors to be careful.

Oh, you are so nice... And *why* did you interfere with someone else's
auctions? You could have send a listing violation complaint to eBay
but that would have been less satisfying, right?

>
>Apparently Ebay didn't like the fact that many of their Sellers were
>indirectly exposed!! Because there was no other legitimate reason to ban
>me.

Expecially by a source that has not the courage to post except as
annonymous?

Don Lancaster

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Dec 30, 2008, 12:03:15 PM12/30/08
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Anonymous wrote:
> Ebay is officially engaged in organized crime!

It is a thankless task, but somebody has got to do it.

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Pogonip

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Dec 30, 2008, 3:54:26 PM12/30/08
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Oh, and the solution to "fraud" is to post the auction numbers on a
discussion board? Just like the way to report a crime to your local
police is to put a note on the bulletin board at the library?
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Mark B.

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Dec 30, 2008, 7:16:57 PM12/30/08
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"Anonymous" <anon...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message This is

> basically, as I see it and comprehend it, aiding and abetting the
criminals
> in their fraud and scams!

What did you expect? You had the potential to reduce their profits and so
you were banned.


Mark B.

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Dec 30, 2008, 7:18:17 PM12/30/08
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Chinese sellers have a right to make a profit too.


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Roger Hunt

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Dec 30, 2008, 5:05:32 PM12/30/08
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In article <a21421d8-4bcd-4896...@40g2000prx.googlegroups
.com>, Chas Edwards <chas...@comcast.net> writes

>On Dec 30, 5:28 am, "note.boy" <note....@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>> I find it amazing that anyone would be foolish enough to buy anything from
>> an ebay seller based in China.  Billy
>
>One has to ask just which party is the most dishonest, the criminals
>in
>China or eBay which knowingly allows fraud to occur.
>
Quite clearly we have a situation where two wrongs *do* make a right.

(In cyberspace nobody can hear you scam.)
--
Roger Hunt

Don Lancaster

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Dec 30, 2008, 6:30:09 PM12/30/08
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Chas Edwards wrote:
> On Dec 30, 5:28 am, "note.boy" <note....@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>> I find it amazing that anyone would be foolish enough to buy anything from
>> an ebay seller based in China. Billy
>
> **********

>
> One has to ask just which party is the most dishonest, the criminals
> in
> China or eBay which knowingly allows fraud to occur.
>
> Denga
>
>
>
>

The most dishonest, of course, is the epsilon minus guilty of auction
interference.

Don Lancaster

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Dec 30, 2008, 6:30:45 PM12/30/08
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Fright arrangements are the sole responsibility of the buyer.

Bruce Remick

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Dec 30, 2008, 7:39:14 PM12/30/08
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Perhaps so, if the crimes continue to take place at the library.


Lumpy

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Dec 30, 2008, 7:41:55 PM12/30/08
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Don Lancaster wrote:
> Fright arrangements are the sole responsibility of the buyer.

Soul responsability of the byer.


Lumpy

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PC

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Jan 17, 2009, 4:35:39 PM1/17/09
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"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>

>>
>> So, they truly are, not only ignoring and allowing the fraud taking place
>> on their website, they are ACTIVELY covering up any attempts to educate
>> the consumer so they won't get scammed by these unscrupulous sellers!!
>> This is basically, as I see it and comprehend it, aiding and abetting the
>> criminals in their fraud and scams!
>>
>
> So, Anonymous. What would you have us all do now? Bail out of eBay
> because of a perceived injustice done to you? You went into eBay's
> backyard with your carefully-crafted criticism. They didn't care for it
> and kicked you out of their yard altogether. Happens sometimes to well
> intended activists who insist on sacrificing themselves in order to save
> or "protect" everyone else. Cheer up. Maybe you'll be eligible for the
> Martyr's Hall of Fame.
>

Actually, Bruce, a bunch of us have formed a crack team of eBay vigilantes.
We exist to exact revenge on those wronged by eBay - especially if it had
something to do with coins. Anonymous has come to the right place.
Unfortunately we are very booked. We have 30 parties in line before him.
Typical wait time right now is about 8 months. We will notify Anonymous
when we are ready to act.

James Weston

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Jan 17, 2009, 8:41:06 PM1/17/09
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We have 30 parties in line before him.
Typical wait time right now is about 8 months. We will notify Anonymous
<when we are ready to act.


Why even bother when you can just do what I have been doing since last year.

1. Click "buy it now" or win an auction and then don't pay. I've had
dozens of NPB filed against a dummy account and still am active on the site.
They lie to sellers about 3 strikes and you're out....lol...pretty funny.
And the best part is, I have 100% positive feedback on the deadbeat account.

2. This one is really a hoot. I use another account to get things I need
from eBay sellers and then leave them negative feedback and DSRs of 1 for
every transaction, no matter how great the seller is. There is nothing they
can do about it. And this is the best part.......when they leave me
positive feedback with negative comments, or send nasty messages, I get them
NARUd......Shop victoriously and neg victoriously!

Lil' Abner

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Jan 17, 2009, 9:26:21 PM1/17/09
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Frank Provasek

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Jan 18, 2009, 12:46:43 PM1/18/09
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For years, Ebay has suppressed efforts to rid the site of fakes...by
banning members who discuss the topic on the discussion boards, hiding
the bidders names so that they cannot be warned away from fakes, and
now hiding the winning bidder names.

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Peter

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Jan 18, 2009, 8:43:27 PM1/18/09
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So ... have you tried creating several bogus accounts, creating a
bidding war and bidding junk up to (say) $10,000 or so you really
infuriate ebay and not only the Chinese?

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