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yawnmoth

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:50:53 AM6/15/04
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how would i go about determing whether or not my franklin half cents
have full bell lines or not?

also, i have a $20.00 bill from 1929 and from the "First National Bank
of Rosebud" any ideas as to its worth? here's a scan:

http://www.geocities.com/terra1024/20-rosebud-national.jpg

finally, i have a few small bills ($1, $2, $5) that have stars next
to the serial numbers. What are the significance of these stars?

WinWinscenario

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Jun 15, 2004, 11:05:13 AM6/15/04
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>how would i go about determing whether or not my franklin half cents
>have full bell lines or not?

If you are talking about Franklin 50c, then you look at the two horizontal sets
of lines near the bottom of the bell on the reverse of the coin. They have to
be complete and unbroken, with only a tiny separation allowed near the verticle
crack.


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>also, i have a $20.00 bill from 1929 and from the "First National Bank
>of Rosebud" any ideas as to its worth? here's a scan:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/terra1024/20-rosebud-national.jpg

Check on the paper money forum, rec.collecting.paper-money, for precise info
from specialists in paper money (this forum is primarily for coins). But I can
tell you that state notes from Texas are generally considered among the least
rare. The exact premium will depend on the scarcity of that particular bank
and the condition of the note.


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>finally, i have a few small bills ($1, $2, $5) that have stars next
>to the serial numbers. What are the significance of these stars?

Again, detailed info is best obtained on the paper-money forum. Star notes
are replacement notes for serial notes that were damaged. They are scarcer
than regular notes, in most cases, and may carry a small premium.

Regards,
Tom

Coin Saver

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:52:02 PM6/15/04
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>From: yawnmoth

>i have a $20.00 bill from 1929 ...
http://www.geocities.com/terra1024/20-rosebud-national.jpg>

Beautiful. This is a Type 1 1929 National from Rosebud, Texas; charter number
5513, year of bank note organization: 1900. Determining the values of The
Nationals are a two-step process; first is the "rarity" of the state in which
it was issued (Texas is a 2, second most common), then the actual issuance
rarity (Rosebud small size notes are 5's - second best of 6 levels). Utilizing
these two rarity levels then examining the condition (thx for the great scan)
comes to this conclusion:

My reference book is dated 1995, prices are probably a bit more today. The
book I have lists this note at $65.

HTH.
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- Coin Saver

Coin Saver

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:57:40 PM6/15/04
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>From: yawnmoth

> i have a few small bills ($1, $2, $5) that have stars next to the serial
numbers. What are the significance of these stars?>

These are "replacement notes". Prior to printing a series, the Bureau of
Engraving and Printing (BEP) prints up some star notes.

Then, during the course of regular printing, if an error in printing is
spotted, that error note is removed and the star note is inserted into its
place.

One of the more common reasons for this is when the printing press experiences
a "mis-feed" and the sheet is all screwed up.

Star Notes do command a collector value, some more than others, due to the
Series date and District designation.

As a star note collector, I'd like to9 see the list of the star notes you
possess.

;-)


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- Coin Saver

yawnmoth

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Jun 16, 2004, 3:21:55 AM6/16/04
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On 15 Jun 2004 16:57:40 GMT, coin...@aol.comnojunk (Coin Saver)
wrote:

I have a 1963 $5 bill (*02490676A), a 1953B $2 bill (*03561010A), and
a 1935F $1 bill (*10004602G).

Do they still make star notes? I haven't seen any, if they do.

Anyway, thanks again for the info! :)

yawnmoth

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Jun 16, 2004, 3:26:41 AM6/16/04
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On 15 Jun 2004 16:52:02 GMT, coin...@aol.comnojunk (Coin Saver)
wrote:

>>From: yawnmoth

i'm assuming you're using the "blackbook"?

also, do there exist $20 "national" notes without the stamp
designating the originating state / charter number? does your book
list a price for those?

anyway, thanks for the info! :)

Joezug

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Jun 17, 2004, 8:15:42 PM6/17/04
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On 15 Jun 2004 15:05:13 GMT, winwins...@aol.comdespam
(WinWinscenario) wrote:

>>how would i go about determing whether or not my franklin half cents
>>have full bell lines or not?
>
>If you are talking about Franklin 50c, then you look at the two horizontal sets
>of lines near the bottom of the bell on the reverse of the coin. They have to
>be complete and unbroken, with only a tiny separation allowed near the verticle
>crack.
>>


Do light or moderate bag marks count against a full-line
determination? Or is it solely a function of how the coin was struck?

WinWinscenario

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Jun 18, 2004, 11:07:23 AM6/18/04
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>Do light or moderate bag marks count against a full-line
>determination? Or is it solely a function of how the coin was struck?

Of course the bagmarks "count against," but I have seen FBL Franklins that have
bag marks that cross the bell lines.

Usually the bagmarks are more determinative of grade than fullness of strike.

Regards,
Tom

Brian Hartman

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Jun 18, 2004, 12:25:53 PM6/18/04
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I got a star note in change a few days ago. :)

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