The joys of numismatic research
Reid Goldsborough
acquiring information and knowledge is every bit as rewarding as
acquiring coins.
Case in point. Last night, in finishing reading through information
from articles and books I've collected but hadn't yet gotten to, I
uncovered some *really* interesting stuff about a coin I bought about
a year ago, which before I knew relatively little about. It's an
ancient coin, an Athenian Owl, but it's not one of the common
classical Owls typically dated 449-413 BC (interesting coins too) but
rather a rarer archaic Owl that preceded these. I bought it
unattributed from Harlan Berk, who had just bought it himself a couple
of hours earlier, at a major coin show. Because of this, I got a very
good deal on the coin. But I had some work to do. <g>
Here's a pic of it, only a middling pic (too much glare, which
obscures some of the detail) -- I need to retake the pic at some
point:
http://rg.cointalk.org/misc/Archaic_Owl.html
The coin grades aVF, a decent enough grade (for my purposes) with
these coins, which are often badly beat up, even those illustrated in
reference sources. Specimens are available in nicer condition, but
prices can soar into the stratosphere (five figures).
I knew of course that the coin was an archaic Owl, but in looking
through Sear and Wildwinds I couldn't further attribute it with any
confidence. Last night I finished reading through, and looking very
carefully at, the most widely used references for these coins,
including Starr's Athenian Coinage, Kraay's Archaic Coins of Athens,
and Seltman's Athens: Its History and Coinage Before the Persian
Invasion. But the most useful source, and the one that nailed the
attribution of my coin (persistence pays!), was Price and Waggoner's
Archaic Greek Coinage: The Asyut Hoard, which documents in exquisite
detail a hoard of about 900 Greek silver coins dug up by Egyptian
workmen in 1969.
The very unusual thing about this hoard is that despite the irrational
laws in source countries, most of the coins in this hoard were
documented. Typically coins dug up in source countries are secretly
ferreted out of the country and into the market via shady characters
in source countries and European middlemen without any knowledge about
the find spots and so on being preserved. These Asyut Hoard coins
reached the market the same way, but somehow information about their
finds spot and the coins in the hoard was preserved, with photos made,
which furthered the state of numismatic knowledge. No mention was made
in the book about why or how this happened with this particular hoard.
Almost always stuff like this, close to the source, is hush-hush.
Lives have been lost, literally, when finders and others have been
exposed.
By reading this book, I was able to determine that my coin was in all
likelihood minted c. 490-482 BC. It's one of the finest styled of the
archaic Owl coinage, with Athena having a relatively small head, long
neck, and fine overall features compared with other archaic Owls. But
here's the really interesting part. This coin, part of a large
emission of the same variety, was in all likelihood minted to build up
the Hellenic navy in preparation for the anticipated Persian invasion,
which would take place in 480 BC and which would determine the
subsequent course of Western history. The Greeks defeated the Persian
fleet at Salamis in a battle that has been called the "supreme
confrontation between East and West," between despotism and individual
freedoms (Hanson).
Afterward, the Greeks for the first time formed a formal allegiance of
the various Greek city-states (the Delian League) and were able to
continue their unprecedented experimentation with individualism and
democracy. This ushered in the golden age of ancient Greece, the
thinking of men such as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the
genesis of Western science, philosophy, and civilization.
Back to coins. <g>. I was also able to attribute my coin as Sear Greek
1842v. (for variety), Seltman Group Gi, Price and Waggoner Group IVg,
Szego 3.
Fun stuff.
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DoctorZ
taking the time to share...
My latest purchase:
http://www.cngcoins.com/coin.asp?ITEM_ID=46747&ITEM_ENLARGED=1
-DrZ
"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgold...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Reid Goldsborough
>Your story was a fantastic read. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for
>taking the time to share...
>
>My latest purchase:
>http://www.cngcoins.com/coin.asp?ITEM_ID=46747&ITEM_ENLARGED=1
I'm tempted to say something nice about your new purchase because of
your nice words to me. But I have to be honest here. Your coin is
spectacular, and I'm not saying that just to be nice. <g> Really.
Even though these coins aren't my area, here's what I like about it:
1) It's gold, and it gold has a timeless allure. 2) It's beautifully
toned for a gold coin, with the darker recesses nicely accentuating
the coin's age. 3) It's big, very big, for a gold coin, at 39 mm, and
though undoubtedly thin at 8.65 grams, the thinness doesn't strike me
as detracting from the coin's dimensional impressiveness. 4) Its style
is very cool, very kingly, very royal, both obverse and reverse. 5)
There are no unaesthetic indications of it's being ex-jewelry, and
though I don't know the market for these coins, as ex-jewelry, you
undoubtedly got a deal on it. 6) As a VF, all of the design elements
are present, and the coin's moderate wear also doesn't detract from
the impressiveness of the design. 7) The history is very cool -- a
quick search indicates that James I was the guy who sponsored the King
James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had some
interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings.
Congrats on your purchase. Can I have it?
Ankaaz
"The history is very cool -- a quick search indicates that James I was the guy
who sponsored the King James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had
some
interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings."
Are you SERIOUS?
Anka <---- tell me something I -don't- know
Roscoe
<SNIP>
> 7) The history is very cool -- a
> quick search indicates that James I was the guy who sponsored the King
> James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had some
> interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings.
> --
>
> Email: reid...@removethisnetaxs.com (delete "remove this")
There is no way that you believe this.... It is a joke, Right?
Roscoe
Scot Kamins
Roscoe <Wheel...@centurytel.net> wrote:
I don't see the problem here. From the inside flap of the Nelson Bibles
version of the King James; Reissue edition (June 1, 1982 ):
"Shortly after inheriting the throne of England in the midst of violent
religious strife, King James I called together the country's leading
churchmen and theologians at Hampton Court, "for the hearing, and for
the determining, of things pretended to be amiss in the Church."
Out of that conference came the memorable decision to commission a new
translation of the Holy Scriptures. King James I eagerly approved the
idea in the hope that this new translation might help avert civil war by
uniting the religious factions within his country. The uniform
translation, since called the "King James Version," dramatically
affected the course of development of the English-speaking world.
............
What am I missing?
Scot Kamins
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Anka Z
"What am I missing?"
Reid's penchant for stating the obvious.
Anka <---- next thing you know he'll be telling us that James was
the king of Scotland, too
Michael E. Marotta
> Reid wrote:
> ... James I was the guy who sponsored the King James Bible...
> ... interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings."
> Are you SERIOUS?
> Anka <---- tell me something I -don't- know
Now, now... a little Christian caritas required you to allow him to
make sure that it was not James II, just in case... I agree that it
is easy to assume that he did not have a clue until he googled it, but
patience means suffering, which we all do gladly to save the lost.
The greater transgression was the complete baloney about Athenian
democracy and the Delian League and Aristotle. He reminds me of the
couple in "My Fellow Americans" who were passionate about their
patriotism despite the hard knocks they took from their government,
but who lost the details of American history somewhere in the 10th
grade. They never heard of Gutzon Borglum and he never heard of
Aspasia.
Michael
Polyphemos lived on Sicily
Anka Z
"Now, now... a little Christian caritas required you to allow him to
make sure that it was not James II, just in case... I agree that it
is easy to assume that he did not have a clue until he googled it, but
patience means suffering, which we all do gladly to save the lost."
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Anka <---- have you read God's Secretaries by Nicholson?
Darren
> Scot asked:
>
> "What am I missing?"
>
>
> Reid's penchant for stating the obvious.
Obvious to who? Everyone, or just you?
Must be great to be one of the intelligent elite - but don't assume we care
how clever you are, it's not a virtue.
>
>
> Anka <---- next thing you know he'll be telling us that James was
> the king of Scotland, too
Oh right, and everyone knows that as well?
I just don't get this constant childish sniping and name calling.
Reid Goldsborough
<darren....@tenretnitb.moc> wrote:
>I just don't get this constant childish sniping and name calling.
This is what Anka does. She criticizes others for asking for
information and advice, repeatedly. Her preferred actions online are
sarcasm and snipping.
I mentioned something I read about James I after what I characterized
as a "quick search." Maybe what I posted was wrong. I don't know the
history of England during the 16/17th centuries well at all. Instead
of sarcasm and sniping, a much more constructive approach would be to
provide correct information, if indeed what I posted was incorrect.
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<darren....@tenretnitb.moc> wrote:
This is what Anka does. She criticizes others for asking for information
and advice, repeatedly. Her preferred actions online are sarcasm and
Darren, you're new here? Wait........
Butch
AMPA - Australian Milk Producers Association.
~ Farmers Fighting For Farmers ~
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Wheel...@centurytel.net
>
> In article <40593BA7...@centurytel.net>,
> Roscoe <Wheel...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> > Reid Goldsborough wrote:
> >
> > <SNIP>
> > > 7) The history is very cool -- a
> > > quick search indicates that James I was the guy who sponsored the King
> > > James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had some
> > > interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings.
> > > --
> > >
> > > Email: reid...@removethisnetaxs.com (delete "remove this")
> >
> > There is no way that you believe this.... It is a joke, Right?
> > Roscoe
>
> I don't see the problem here. From the inside flap of the Nelson Bibles
> version of the King James; Reissue edition (June 1, 1982 ):
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Scot Kamins
K... the little smile face was missing........ here it is :-)
BTY. I could addd to your statement but will not. I do go to
church. I think...... forget it.......
Roscoe (will not get into a war over the Bible)....
mark
>What am I missing?
>
Reid did this last summer. He trolled for information on a couple of subjects,
turned around and wrote an article for Coin World, for which he was paid.
Article was sans mention of RCC, let alone credit to those who did the research
for him.
--
mark
Bob Peterson
send it off to CW asking that they print an apology to all the people that
he borrowed from.
"mark" <prg...@aol.combustion> wrote in message
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Michael E. Marotta
"This coin, part of a large emission of the same variety, was in all
... men such as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the
genesis of Western science, philosophy, and civilization."
I counted six major errors, and one arguable point in those two
paragraphs.
It is clear from your four years here that coins make you feel
something inside, and, as a consequence, you post. When you do, the
distance between fact and value is apparent.
Michael
"rational empiricist"
(P.S. seven errors)
Reid Goldsborough
Marotta) wrote:
>I counted six major errors, and one arguable point in those two
>paragraphs.
You and Anka have evolved into conjoined twins. You both would rather
be sarcastic and snipe away than actually contribute something useful
to the conversation. I know. If you do spell out the "six major
errors," you open yourself to being shown in error. Oh, you don't want
to "write my article for me." So instead of adding substance you just
do the gnat thing.
By the way, I'm not writing an article about Athenian Owls, but I
suspect I will at some point. I've already collected about two dozen
articles and books about the subject, with maybe a dozen more that
I'll be looking through next time I'm at the ANS library. I've also
looked at countless coins, from high-end auction catalogs, on bourse
floors, and on eBay. I also enjoy discussing this and other numismatic
areas I've specialized in with dealers at coin shows and with the
researchers/numismatists I've talked to on the phone and in person as
well. I've done all this thus far to further the appreciation of my
own collection. Owls are one area I specialize in -- I have a fairly
sizable collection of various varieties, from the first archaic Owl to
modern coins and medals whose design was inspired by the Athenian Owl.
I find that the more I learn about a particular coin I have, the more
enjoyable it is to look at it. But eventually I'll likely channel this
knowledge into both printed works and Web pages, as I already have
about other numismatic subjects.
The message I posted wasn't to "get other people to do research for
me" or any of the other rubbish that gets strewn about here but to
share a numismatic peak experience I had, a revelation I found
fascination about a coin of mine that resulted from some fairly
involved research.
Darren
>
> It is clear from your four years here that coins make you feel
> something inside, and, as a consequence, you post. When you do, the
> distance between fact and value is apparent.
>
> Michael
> "rational empiricist"
>
> (P.S. seven errors)
Well I got to 14 errors. Obviously I'm way too clever to point these errors
out as you wouldn't understand what I was saying and it would be just too
tedious for me.
Darren
'feeling childish'
The Silver Jar...
> the Hellenic navy in preparation for the anticipated Persian invasion,
> which would take place in 480 BC and which would determine the
> subsequent course of Western history. The Greeks defeated the Persian
> fleet at Salamis in a battle that has been called the "supreme
> confrontation between East and West," between despotism and individual
> freedoms (Hanson).
I remember a bit about this from Classics. I bet it's nice to have
some archaeological artefact that could have witnessed these events at
first hand in your possession!
> Afterward, the Greeks for the first time formed a formal allegiance of
> the various Greek city-states (the Delian League) and were able to
> continue their unprecedented experimentation with individualism and
> democracy. This ushered in the golden age of ancient Greece, the
> thinking of men such as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the
> genesis of Western science, philosophy, and civilization.
And i vaguely remember a mention of the Delian League too! The triumph
of Democracy... and three great philosopher's in a row.
Great write up, coinwise looks like you got a good un!
Sylvester.
Specialising in sixpences 1674-1694 and King Stephen pennies
1135-1154.
Ankaaz
"You and Anka have evolved into conjoined twins. You both would rather be
sarcastic and snipe away than actually contribute something useful to the
conversation."
<ahem>
Correction...
I was being sarcastic. And if I know Michael, he was dead serious.
Anka <---- looking forward to an article on Athenian owls ;-)
The Silver Jar...
> taking the time to share...
>
> My latest purchase:
> http://www.cngcoins.com/coin.asp?ITEM_ID=46747&ITEM_ENLARGED=1
>
> -DrZ
I like that king James Coin! i keep meaning to buy some hammered gold
one day, but i'm afraid these keep getting in the way...
http://www.historyincoins.com/xxx-15-3-4-3.jpg
Soon to be mine... my precious!
Sylvester.
Specialising in Sixpences 1674-1694 and King Stephen pennies 1135-54.
The Silver Jar...
> make sure that it was not James II, just in case... I agree that it
> is easy to assume that he did not have a clue until he googled it, but
> patience means suffering, which we all do gladly to save the lost.
Hammered coins ceased to be produced in 1662, and milled coins finally
took over. James II reigned 1685-1688 so all his coins would thus be
milled, so Reid was right. Talking of James II, his gold coins look a
little more like this...
http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/hsov.html
The Silver Jar...
> as a "quick search." Maybe what I posted was wrong. I don't know the
> history of England during the 16/17th centuries well at all. Instead
> of sarcasm and sniping, a much more constructive approach would be to
> provide correct information, if indeed what I posted was incorrect.
I think it's safe to say you were correct on your English history
posts there.
Sylvester.
Specialising in Sixpences 1674-1694, King Stephen pennies and from
this very minute James II half guineas 1686-1688.
Edward McGrath
of the coin with the slaying of the dragon, totally cool! Ed
Reid Goldsborough
Jar...) wrote:
>Hammered coins ceased to be produced in 1662, and milled coins finally
>took over. James II reigned 1685-1688 so all his coins would thus be
>milled, so Reid was right. Talking of James II, his gold coins look a
>little more like this...
>
>http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/hsov.html
It's not clear what point or points Anka and Michael were trying to
make in this thread. They don't speak directly. It has only been
sarcasm and innuendo and negativity. DrZ's coin is an interesting one.
Wouldn't it be something if Anka and Michael contributed something
*constructive* to deepen the interest in this coin?
Hey, Dr. Z. You still there? I got my latest gold coin in the mail
today. It's pictured here, the last one:
http://rg.cointalk.org/misc/Alex_staters.html
It's not as large as yours and maybe not as impressive in other ways
either, but it's interesting in its way. For one thing, it's even
*weirder* looking in person than on screen. It has very pronounced
edge lips, something I guess like an Ultra High Relief Saint, on both
obverse and reverse. But the relatively flat relief of the coin's
devices sit deeply within the raised lips. One of the weirdest things
I've ever seen on a coin. If I checked, though, I suspect a number of
other coins throughout the ages have been minted this way. I just
don't remember seeing any.
Reid Goldsborough
Jar...) wrote:
>I think it's safe to say you were correct on your English history
>posts there.
Good to know! I'd have no hesitation to admit a mistake here if I made
one. This is as I said not an area I'm involved with or know much
about otherwise, though from the look of this coin and from the very
brief reading about James I that I did, I can see how you'd find the
area and the period appealing.
Reid Goldsborough
Jar...) wrote:
>> ...emission of the same variety, was in all likelihood minted to build up
>> the Hellenic navy in preparation for the anticipated Persian invasion,
>> which would take place in 480 BC and which would determine the
>> subsequent course of Western history. The Greeks defeated the Persian
>> fleet at Salamis in a battle that has been called the "supreme
>> confrontation between East and West," between despotism and individual
>> freedoms (Hanson).
>
>I remember a bit about this from Classics. I bet it's nice to have
>some archaeological artefact that could have witnessed these events at
>first hand in your possession!
Yep. History in your hand. <g> The quote that the Battle of Salamis
between the Greeks and the Persians was the "supreme confrontation
between East and West," between despotism and individual freedoms,
came from Victor David Hanson. I don't know if this was one of the
"six major errors" Michael Marotta was referring to or not, since he
characteristically wasn't clear.
I also don't know if I completely agree with Hanson here, though I'd
have to say I agree for the most part, granting him, perhaps, a little
hyperbole. Hanson teaches classics at California State University at
Fresno and is the author of a number of books on this and related
subjects, including Who Killed Homer?, The Other Greeks, and The
Western Way of War, though I'm not one to hold up credentials as
irrefutable authority. It was -- the battle that my coin was minted
for -- one of the epochal moments in history.
note.boy
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:32:24 -0500, "DoctorZ" <D...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >Your story was a fantastic read. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for
> >taking the time to share...
> >
> >My latest purchase:
> >http://www.cngcoins.com/coin.asp?ITEM_ID=46747&ITEM_ENLARGED=1
>
> I'm tempted to say something nice about your new purchase because of
> your nice words to me. But I have to be honest here. Your coin is
> spectacular, and I'm not saying that just to be nice. <g> Really.
>
> Even though these coins aren't my area, here's what I like about it:
> 1) It's gold, and it gold has a timeless allure. 2) It's beautifully
> toned for a gold coin, with the darker recesses nicely accentuating
> the coin's age. 3) It's big, very big, for a gold coin, at 39 mm, and
> though undoubtedly thin at 8.65 grams, the thinness doesn't strike me
> as detracting from the coin's dimensional impressiveness. 4) Its style
> is very cool, very kingly, very royal, both obverse and reverse. 5)
> There are no unaesthetic indications of it's being ex-jewelry, and
> though I don't know the market for these coins, as ex-jewelry, you
> undoubtedly got a deal on it. 6) As a VF, all of the design elements
> are present, and the coin's moderate wear also doesn't detract from
> the impressiveness of the design. 7) The history is very cool -- a
> quick search indicates that James I was the guy who sponsored the King
> James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had some
> interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings.
>
> Congrats on your purchase. Can I have it?
note.boy
incomprehensible writing style, I'm very often scratching my head
wondering what the h*ll he's going on about. Billy
note.boy
is.......Scottish, a good question to ask a group of people as few get
the answer correct. Billy
Roscoe wrote:
>
> Reid Goldsborough wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
> > 7) The history is very cool -- a
> > quick search indicates that James I was the guy who sponsored the King
> > James Bible -- it's named after him -- and James I had some
> > interesting ideas about the divine rights of kings.
> > --
> >
> > Email: reid...@removethisnetaxs.com (delete "remove this")
>
Ian
I thought it was James VI who commissioned the bible thing.........(?)
Sadly, he was a Scot and we can't be having that in relation to
`English' history now could we?
Mind you he did have a bit part to play in shaping `English'
history....but unlike Scottish history, my knowledge of 16th / 17th
century `English' history is terribly vague, and I need to be told who
it was who commissioned the KJV bible...... because it is `cool'.
I am also led to believe that James had some interesting ideas about the
divine rights of kings? Would I be right in going along with that do you
think?....I wonder what those interesting ideas could possibly be?
IM
Whe...@centurytell.net
>
> The nationality of the first person mentioned in the Bible
> is.......Scottish, a good question to ask a group of people as few get
> the answer correct. Billy
>
I like that........ Believe me that I will probably get some people
mad at me come Sunday... Thanks.. Learn something new every day!
Roscoe
Scot Kamins
wrote:
Adam was Scottish? Well, I'll be damned!
Scot Kamins
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The Silver Jar...
> Sylvester I like the link to the Edward VII coin especially the reverse
> of the coin with the slaying of the dragon, totally cool! Ed
They are cool coins, i used to have a few of those half sovereigns
myself, although the one pictured isn't mine.
Sylvester.
Ankaaz
"I thought it was James VI who commissioned the bible thing.........(?)"
You are correct. ;-)
Anka
Ankaaz
"The nationality of the first person mentioned in the Bible is.......Scottish,
a good question to ask a group of people as few get the answer correct."
That's a good one. ;-)
Anka <---- wonders if Reid will get it...
A.Gent
"The Silver Jar..." <aristo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I like that king James Coin! i keep meaning to buy some hammered gold
> one day, but i'm afraid these keep getting in the way...
>
> http://www.historyincoins.com/xxx-15-3-4-3.jpg
>
> Soon to be mine... my precious!
>
> Sylvester.
Omigod!
<drool>
Now *that* is drop-dead gorgeous.
May one be so crass as to enquire... (?)
--
Jeff
Wheel...@centurytel.net
<SNIP>
> Anka <---- wonders if Reid will get it...
Is he getting sumptin?
Roscoe
Reid Goldsborough
wrote:
>I thought it was James VI who commissioned the bible thing.........(?)
Did he change his name, or have his name changed, from James VI (as
king of Scotland) to James I (as king of England)? That's what the
dictionary I used initially seems to indicate. Again, I know little
about this time in history. Let me check Britannica. It indicates the
same thing. So I don't know what Anka was so sarcastic about. She now
seems very sure it was James VI. Maybe he did his Bible thing before
becoming king of England. But my dictionary indicates it was James I,
as does Britannica. Maybe Anka was being sarcastic again, who knows.
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Reid Goldsborough
<note...@removentlworld.com> wrote:
>I seldom understand Michael's posts as he has a very odd
>incomprehensible writing style, I'm very often scratching my head
>wondering what the h*ll he's going on about. Billy
Michael is a very sharp guy. That's all I want to say...
Reid Goldsborough
>"The nationality of the first person mentioned in the Bible is.......Scottish,
>a good question to ask a group of people as few get the answer correct."
>
>
>That's a good one. ;-)
Are you being sarcastic again? For just a change of pace, why not try
to message here in a straightforward manner. It's very easy, really:
If you have information, offer it. That's all, whether it's about
coins, economics, or anything else... But you do have to own up to
mistakes this way. You can't just pretend you were being sarcastic.
That might be hard, I know.
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Jorg Lueke
wrote:
> The nationality of the first person mentioned in the Bible
> is.......Scottish, a good question to ask a group of people as few get
> the answer correct. Billy
>
That only works on Anglicans though.
A.Gent
"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgold...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:45:19 GMT, Ian <I...@wideblueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >I thought it was James VI who commissioned the bible thing.........(?)
>
> Did he change his name, or have his name changed, from James VI (as
> king of Scotland) to James I (as king of England)? That's what the
> dictionary I used initially seems to indicate.
Googled on "king james bible history"
First hit:
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html
"A Brief History of the King James Bible
By Dr. Laurence M. Vance
As the reign of Elizabeth (1558-1603) was coming to a close, we find a draft for an
act of Parliament for a new version of the Bible: "An act for the reducing of
diversities of bibles now extant in the English tongue to one settled vulgar
translated from the original." The Bishop's Bible of 1568, although it may have
eclipsed the Great Bible, was still rivaled by the Geneva Bible. Nothing ever became
of this draft during the reign of Elizabeth, who died in 1603, and was succeeded by
James 1, as the throne passed from the Tudors to the Stuarts. James was at that time
James VI of Scotland, and had been for thirty-seven years. He was born during the
period between the Geneva and the Bishop's Bible. "
> ...Again, I know little
> about this time in history. Let me check Britannica. It indicates the
> same thing. So I don't know what Anka was so sarcastic about. She now
> seems very sure it was James VI. Maybe he did his Bible thing before
> becoming king of England. But my dictionary indicates it was James I,
> as does Britannica. Maybe Anka was being sarcastic again, who knows.
see above.
So, the KJV was the first universally accepted, and well-received English language
version of the bible.
Therefore, the first individual named in the bible ("English language" assumed here")
is King James. (His name is on the cover.) He was a Scot. Ask the Scots *which* Ki
ng James he was. Ask Sean Connery if he likes being an Englishman. (Then duck and
run)
Thus the joke.
boom-tish!
Its going to be terribly confusing for some folk if and when Prince Charles becomes
King George VII, but that's an entirely different story ;-)
HTH
--
Jeff
Whacko (and proud of it)
Phil DeMayo
>Did he change his name, or have his name changed, from James VI (as
>king of Scotland) to James I (as king of England)? That's what the
>dictionary I used initially seems to indicate. Again, I know little
>about this time in history. Let me check Britannica. It indicates the
>same thing. So I don't know what Anka was so sarcastic about. She now
>seems very sure it was James VI. Maybe he did his Bible thing before
>becoming king of England. But my dictionary indicates it was James I,
>as does Britannica. Maybe Anka was being sarcastic again, who knows.
Sigh.....
She seems so sure because James VI of Scotland became the first James to ascend
to the throne in England....same person.
++++++++++
Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits
Aladdin Sane
--
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A conclusion is simply the place
where you decided to stop thinking.
"Ankaaz" <ank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Reid Goldsborough
wrote:
>She seems so sure because James VI of Scotland became the first James to ascend
>to the throne in England....same person.
That's exactly what I just said. You missed the entire point. When he
commissioned the "King James" Bible, was he James I of England or
James VI of Scotland? My sources, dictionary and encyclopedia,
indicate he was King James I of England, which is what I said
initially and what Anka responded to with an "Are you SERIOUS?" I
still don't know what point Anka was trying to make or even if she
knows. She messages here not to communicate information but has
another agenda.
Phil DeMayo
>That's exactly what I just said.
Then why did you phrase it in the form of a question? Playing Jeopardy?
>You missed the entire point.
No, 'tis you who appear clueless. You obviously missed the little inside joke
between Anka and Ian the Scotsman.
>what I said initially and what Anka responded to with an "Are you
>SERIOUS?" I still don't know what point Anka was trying to make
>or even if she knows.
My guess is that she was totally shocked that someone who earned degrees from
two different universities was unaware until now that King James I was
responsible for the King James Bible.
Ian
> That's exactly what I just said. You missed the entire point. When he
> commissioned the "King James" Bible, was he James I of England or
> James VI of Scotland?
I wonder what MAG BRIT could possibly mean?
The Silver Jar...
>
> <drool>
>
> Now *that* is drop-dead gorgeous.
>
> May one be so crass as to enquire... (?)
At $950 i should hope it is... ;-) It'll be the most expensive coin
i've bought yet... another few weeks and i should have it.
As it's a sixpence it is also a very scarce denomination, and in such
a grade it's even better!
Sylvester.
Sixpences 1674-1694, King Stephen Pennies 1135-54 and James II Half
Guineas 1686-88
A.Gent
Thanks Sylvester.
My Spinks (2004) puts that at £1,000. $950 sounds pretty good.
Congratulations.
My only W&M, and hence my reason for admiring your 6d:
http://mendosus.com/jpg/william&mary.jpg
I *think* it was a ha'penny (once).
Thanks for sharing.
Jeff
Ankaaz
"So I don't know what Anka was so sarcastic about. She now seems very sure it
was James VI. Maybe he did his Bible thing before becoming king of England. But
my dictionary indicates it was James I, as does Britannica. Maybe Anka was
being sarcastic again, who knows."
This is exasperating.
Anka <---- and that's all I'm gonna say...
Ankaaz
"Are you being sarcastic again?"
No. Having never heard that riddle before, I thought it was quite clever.
;-)
Anka
Ankaaz
"That only works on Anglicans though."
I got it! :-)
Anka <---- R.C.
Michael E. Marotta
The wheels on a Shelby?
Ankaaz
"An even better one, what was the last team that Vince Lombardi coached?"
My husband says the Washington Redskins. I guess the typical answer would be
the Packers. Is he right or is the riddle more confounding than that?
Anka
note.boy
note.boy
So........Elizabeth II is Queen of England only as the first Elizabeth
was queen of England only, a bit of a sore point with the Scottish
nation that she is styled "II" and not "I". She sould be "I" of the UK.
James had his number changed so why not Lizzy also? Billy
note.boy
note.boy
note.boy
Billy
note.boy
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3903905205&category=3406
Ankaaz
"My husband says the Washington Redskins. I guess the typical answer would be
the Packers. Is he right or is the riddle more confounding than that?"
It -is- the Packers. Lombardi died before a Redskins game was ever played
under his tutelage. Correctamundo?
Anka <---- asked a football fanatic friend
Ankaaz
"It -is- the Packers. Lombardi died before a Redskins game was ever played
under his tutelage."
Wrong.
Anka <---- wishes she were paying attention when all that stuff about
deleting from the Google archives was being discussed
The Silver Jar...
>
> My Spinks (2004) puts that at £1,000. $950 sounds pretty good.
> Congratulations.
>
> My only W&M, and hence my reason for admiring your 6d:
> http://mendosus.com/jpg/william&mary.jpg
>
> I *think* it was a ha'penny (once).
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Jeff
Well since i'm getting it for £525 with 10% off, so i'm really getting
it for £470, i think i'm onto a winner.
And i think you're right on thinking that your coin is (or was if you
prefer) a halfpenny, and definately a 1694 one. (unless it was a
farthing then it would most probably still be 1694 anyhow) ;-)
Regards.
Sylvester.
Edward McGrath
http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/help.html #13 will show you how
to remove articles from google archive. Ed
Ian
Would that be a case of veni, vidi, vici (Vince)?
Reid Goldsborough
<note...@removentlworld.com> wrote:
>Too sharp for me it seems. Billy
The two of them seem so intent on proving they're sharper than other
people that they lose the purpose of all this -- communication. This
is all, in its way, an interesting subject, and it goes beyond the
sarcasm and other nonsense going on here right now. There's a lot of
this in academia too, with academics publishing not to further
knowledge but to keep their jobs and show off how intelligent they
think they are. This involves not only the subject matter but also the
way they write, with some thinking that the more abstruse they are,
the more intelligent they look.
Reid Goldsborough
<note...@removentlworld.com> wrote:
>Reid, have you had a humour bypass operation? Billy
I got the joke, Billy. See the word "economics" in my post. It was a
very funny joke...
Ian
Hmmm... nice cars but unless I have a sudden windfall, i'll have to
stick with my jag-war XJS V12
...the wheels on my jag go round and round. Round and round. Round and
round......
Sadly however (as would already appear to be your ken), the MAG BRIT I
had in mind appears on the legend of the coin which forms the basis of
this joyous thread.
Now then, does that count in the category of `having a clue'; `giving a
clue'.... or both?
Ahhh...so many questions, and not enough answers!
IM
William Chevyler
like to share. With me, acquiring information and knowledge is every
bit as rewarding as acquiring coins."
Me, too! Numismatic research lets us enjoy historical events that we
did not live to see. I have been reading lots of colorful books about
famous wars in American history and I also happened to buy a
circulated coin like this unc.
http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/morgan_dollars/1898_morgan_dollars/1898
s_morgan_silver_dollar.htm
It is a somewhat uncommon 1898-S Morgan Dollar. Only 4 million were
made. These coins were made by George Morgan when he worked at the
Mint. I
think my coin is an honest Very Fine, or maybe hopeful XF, but it has
only a few bagmarks pretty much worn away by light circulation.
This coin, part of a large emission of the same variety, was in all
likelihood minted to build up the American navy in preparation for the
anticipated Spanish War of 1898. This war determined the history of
the United States and
Spain. With these coins from San Francisco in their pockets, brave
young American sailors fought a desperate battle against the much
older ships and men from Spain who were holding the Manilla harbor
hostage and threatening the entire Pacific. This was the supreme
confrontation between Spain and America and it brought democracy to
the Philippines, Hawaii, Cuba, Puerto Rico and other Spanish dominated
lands.
Afterward, America became the nation we know today, joining the other
democracies of the world who defeated the empires of Germany and
Russia and
built the League of Nations and then the United Nations on Four
Freedoms. This ushered in a golden age of invention, art, and
science including
the automobile, the airplane, atom bomb and space shuttle because of
many great Americans such as Albert Einstein, Enrico Fermi, Wernher
von Braun, and Golda Meir, which led to the modern world we have
today.
I have found pictures of my coin online like I said, but I also have
valuable references about this coin, such as Photograde and The Red
Book.
William Chevyler
----------------------------
Before the Earth was enspherized, people could
escape television broadcast beams by direct linear
travel.(FELFAT)
http://www.cca.org/woc/felfat/
A famous case of reincarnation is that of a
Colorado housewife who, under hypnosis, was able to
recall details of a past life. Her knowledge of the
period was astonding.
http://psychicinvestigator.com/demo/Reinc2.htm
Collecting Counterfeits Can Be Challenging!!
http://www.tobacco.org/news/119500.html
http://www.iccwbo.org/ccs/cib_bureau/CPI_overview.asp
http://www.iacc.org/teampublish/109_471_3701.cfm
note.boy
Do you have shares in a petrol company? MPG? 15? 4 litre engine?
Billy
Richard L. Hall
"Ankaaz" <ank...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040320104225...@mb-m19.aol.com...
> I wrote:
>
> "My husband says the Washington Redskins. I guess the typical answer
would be
> the Packers. Is he right or is the riddle more confounding than that?"
>
>
> It -is- the Packers. Lombardi died before a Redskins game was ever played
> under his tutelage. Correctamundo?
Nope! He coached the Redskins during the 1969 season to their first winning
record in 14 years. He died the following September.
Scot Kamins
chev...@yahoo.com (William Chevyler) wrote:
> Afterward, America became the nation we know today, joining the other
> democracies of the world who defeated the empires of Germany and
> Russia and
> built the League of Nations and then the United Nations on Four
> Freedoms.
...uh...The United States didn't join the League of Nations. Even though
it was the brainchild of President Wilson, Congress wouldn't approve our
joining.
Scot Kamins
---
***Collecting Euro's (for no apparent reason)***
A.Gent
"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgold...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 20 Mar 2004 06:43:17 GMT, flip...@aol.compulsion (Phil DeMayo)
> wrote:
>
> >No, 'tis you who appear clueless.
>
> You're here, as usual, for only one purpose, another one who just post
> to disrupt. I missed nothing about Adam Smith, <snip>
No, just:
King James
The Bible
Counterfeit laws
Google Advanced Searching
Common courtesy and civilised behaviour
...and so on, ad barfinitum
Stop posting bile
--
Jeff
Whacko (and proud of it)
JSTONE9352
>Nope! He coached the Redskins during the 1969 season to their first winning
>record in 14 years. He died the following September.
>
Died Sept. 3, 1970. Only reason I remember that is because that is my
birthday. (the day, not the year).
He is still beloved in Green Bay with a
street and an elementary school named
after him.
Phil DeMayo
>You're here, as usual, for only one purpose, another one who just
>post to disrupt. I missed nothing about Adam Smith....snip
Adam Smith?
Let me quote another poster in this thread, "Are you SERIOUS?"
++++++++++
Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits
Bruce Remick
"Ian" <I...@wideblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Dz17c.21665$dc4.47...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Michael E. Marotta wrote:
> > Ian <I...@wideblueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> >
> >>I wonder what MAG BRIT could possibly mean?
> >
> >
> > The wheels on a Shelby?
>
> Hmmm... nice cars but unless I have a sudden windfall, i'll have to
> stick with my jag-war XJS V12
>
Here I thought it was called a Jag-u-wahr. As a kid in the early 1950's, I
marveled at my neighbor who had an XK-120(?), a pale lavender color, with a
fin-like protrusion on the trunk that may have housed lights. Never seen
one like that since. Don't recal either if it was right or left drive. Was
that an optional feature on a particular model?
Bruce
Bruce
Alan & Erin Williams
>
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC), Darren
> <darren....@tenretnitb.moc> wrote:
>
> >I just don't get this constant childish sniping and name calling.
>
> This is what Anka does. She criticizes others for asking for
> information and advice, repeatedly. Her preferred actions online are
> sarcasm and snipping.
>
From: reid...@netaxs.com (Reid Goldsborough)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Where Dead staying?
Date: 15 Oct 1994 21:44:40 GMT
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Anybody know where the Dead are staying this weekend in New York City,
or
the name of their yoga instructor?
A friend is trying to track down his brother, who's in NYC this weekend
for their concert. Their grandmother died, the funeral is tomorrow, and
their family is trying to contact this brother.
I'm not clear on the reasoning, but my friend thinks that if he can find
out there the Dead are staying in New York City, or the name of this
yoga
instructor (who's also a friend of the missing brother), they may be
able
to track down the brother before the funeral at 1:30 on Sunday.
Sounds like a long shot to me, but I said I'd leave a message here in
case. If you know, please respond. Thanks.
___________Reid Goldsborough___________
Rydal, PA
reid...@netaxs.com
Phil DeMayo
>Here I thought it was called a Jag-u-wahr. As a kid in the early 1950's, I
>marveled at my neighbor who had an XK-120(?), a pale lavender color, with a
>fin-like protrusion on the trunk that may have housed lights. Never seen
>one like that since. Don't recal either if it was right or left drive. Was
>that an optional feature on a particular model?
The only one I remember with a fin from the 50s was the Jaguar D-Type....a
racing car:
http://www.ciltd.co.uk/Replica/dtype.htm
I'm sure glad my old '67 E-Type didn't have one of those.
Note to Ian: When are you going to "upgrade" to an XK8-R? Then you'd really
need to have a petrol truck follow you around. ;-)
Bruce Remick
"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.compulsion> wrote in message
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> "Bruce Remick" wrote:
>
> >Here I thought it was called a Jag-u-wahr. As a kid in the early 1950's,
I
> >marveled at my neighbor who had an XK-120(?), a pale lavender color, with
a
> >fin-like protrusion on the trunk that may have housed lights. Never seen
> >one like that since. Don't recal either if it was right or left drive.
Was
> >that an optional feature on a particular model?
>
> The only one I remember with a fin from the 50s was the Jaguar D-Type....a
> racing car:
>
> http://www.ciltd.co.uk/Replica/dtype.htm
>
> I'm sure glad my old '67 E-Type didn't have one of those.
>
> Note to Ian: When are you going to "upgrade" to an XK8-R? Then you'd
really
> need to have a petrol truck follow you around. ;-)
>
This wasn't a D-type. I'm sure it was either an XK-120 or 140, and I'm
guessing it was about 1952-54. The "fin" wasn't as pronounced as a D-type
and I recall it housed a stack of lights. Maybe it was some aftermarket
mod, if they even had such things back then.
I never owned a Jag, but my buddy in college had a 140. When he wasn't busy
tuning it, we would cruise the highways (circa 1960), occasionally showing
the big V-8's what effortless "top end" was.
Bruce
mark
>No, 'tis you who appear clueless. You obviously missed the little inside joke
>between Anka and Ian the Scotsman.
And the ones between Anka and Michael.
If nothing else, this entire thread has demonstrated that reid cannot stand not
being "in".
--
mark
Phil DeMayo
>I never owned a Jag, but my buddy in college had a 140. When he wasn't busy
>tuning it, we would cruise the highways (circa 1960), occasionally showing
>the big V-8's what effortless "top end" was.
I know what you mean. That 4.2 liter inline six with triple SU carbs in my "E"
was a joy.
Ian
note.boy wrote:
> Is your jag-war white?
>
Moss Green
> Do you have shares in a petrol company?
Are you really asking if I have to make a call to Grangemouth to have
the petrol bowser strategically located for the mid journey refuelling?
if so the answer is yes. Otherwise, sadly, I do not have any shares in
BP etc.
MPG? 15?
strangely enough, 18 - 20
4 litre engine?
a step up from that (5.6) . Vrrrrroooooom! Then she purrs playfully,
before setting off like proverbial sh-t off a shovel!
IM
Ian
> "Bruce Remick" wrote:
>
>
>>Here I thought it was called a Jag-u-wahr. As a kid in the early 1950's, I
>>marveled at my neighbor who had an XK-120(?), a pale lavender color, with a
>>fin-like protrusion on the trunk that may have housed lights. Never seen
>>one like that since. Don't recal either if it was right or left drive. Was
>>that an optional feature on a particular model?
>
>
> The only one I remember with a fin from the 50s was the Jaguar D-Type....a
> racing car:
>
> http://www.ciltd.co.uk/Replica/dtype.htm
>
> I'm sure glad my old '67 E-Type didn't have one of those.
>
> Note to Ian: When are you going to "upgrade" to an XK8-R? Then you'd really
> need to have a petrol truck follow you around. ;-)
>
>
I love the D type. What a car!! I fell in love with it when I was just a
a schoolkid back in the late 50's (sigh...D type...you broke my heart!)
...but now i've got over it, moved on and I'm very happy with my
pussycat and wouldn't dream of upgrading her. The missus wouldn't let me
anyway.
As for the petrol....I usually use my `dogmobile' (a diesel engined
Peugeot 405 estate) for day to day use...like taking my dog to the local
park for a walk (bit Irish that concept isn't it...). Couldn't afford to
use the jag for other than `weekend' driving. I'd never get the dog out
of it either. He loves posing in it. :-)
Ian
Ian
I don't know the car you are talking about, but I know the emotions you
relate in relation to effortless `top end'. :-)
One of my best friends was a real jag freak (sadly now deceased). He had
five of them...usually in various states of repair. I knew he had
flipped when he announced to me that he had managed to buy an e-type
that had been used in one of the Alasdair MacLean films (the one where
the car is seen heading off the edge of a cliff into the sea...from a
fair height). At the back of his house he proudly presented this mass of
tangled metal that even a scrap merchant would have had second thoughts
accepting. He had thoughts of restoring it........ :-(
His other cars however were a MkIII, 2 x MkIV, and a Mk10. The MK III
and the Mk10 actually worked, and boy did they say `effortless' in
relation to going from A - B. These cars not only `rocked' but there was
a characteristic jaguar `roll' from side to side when you got above 90MPH.
Ian
Phil DeMayo
>One of my best friends was a real jag freak (sadly now deceased). He had
>five of them...usually in various states of repair. I knew he had
>flipped when he announced to me that he had managed to buy an e-type
>that had been used in one of the Alasdair MacLean films (the one where
>the car is seen heading off the edge of a cliff into the sea...from a
>fair height). At the back of his house he proudly presented this mass of
>tangled metal that even a scrap merchant would have had second thoughts
>accepting. He had thoughts of restoring it........ :-(
>
>His other cars however were a MkIII, 2 x MkIV, and a Mk10. The MK III
>and the Mk10 actually worked, and boy did they say `effortless' in
>relation to going from A - B. These cars not only `rocked' but there was
>a characteristic jaguar `roll' from side to side when you got above 90MPH.
I decided to take my "E" off the road in 1979 due to several small nagging
problems that made it impractical for everyday use....at least until I could
get around to fixing them. As a result I started looking around for a reliable
used car.
Of course, I no sooner turned to the auto section of the local newspaper when
my eyes were drawn to a particular item in the "imported car" section:
"1967 Jaguar XKE Roadster, excellent condition, $3000 or best offer"
Now you have to understand, I saw my first XKE when I was 13 years old in 1961.
I was on my way to the neighborhood deli with a friend when one glided by. My
jaw dropped and I turned to my friend and said, "I'm going to own one of those
some day".
Now I could never make up my mind which I liked best....the roadster or the
fixed head coupe, so I decided it would be best to own one of each.....logical
conclusion.
Jump back to 1979 and the newspaper ad. "Wow, a '67 roadster, I have a '67
coupe....one of each. I could trade parts and surely keep at least one on the
road at all times".
Sadly, I soon came to my senses and ended up buying an early 70s piece of crap
6 cyclinder Camaro that looked like a bumblebee (yellow with black racing
stripes and a black vinyl roof). God, I hated that car.
Ian
As demonstrated by your story, reality is indeed a harsh mistress!
That's very brave of you to owning up to possessing a yellow and black
Camaro. I don't think I would have the guts to do that..... ;-)
Ian
Alan & Erin Williams
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Reid Goldsborough wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:52:50 -0800, er...@best.com (Erin Barrett)
> wrote:
>
> >Bullshit.
> >
> >You were dry humping women in this group and people began to ask you
> >...
>
> You're way out of control here. "Dry humping women"?
Unless, of course, you have the special sex-hardware and LubriCom
plug-in for
your browser. Not that I'd be surprised, of course: I've gotten the impression
that your main purpose here seems to be trying to simulate sex and aggression,
Reid, which seem linked very closely in your mind what with all your
rhapsodies about wanting to find women who will "submit" to you. But that's
not a professional opinion, just an observation, please don't take it as a
reason to seek thearpy or anything.
> >Is Jody still reading, by the way? What in the world does she have to
> >say about the topics you choose to discuss and the ways in which you
> >discuss them? Does she think your name-calling is funny? Is this a
> >behavior you use in all aspects of your life?
>
> This is way beyond the pale. Don't see how unethical it is to barge
> into someone else's private life, to bring into this discussion total
> innocents who have nothing to do with this and want nothing to do with
> this?
Jody is your wife or girlfriend, I trust? Most of us have volunteered
and know
the names of each other's spouses and sig-o's here. Didn't you already
tell us
that you have a kid or kids? What's the problem? Are you trying to give the
impression that you're not involved with someone? Why would you do that--not
something similar to going to a bar and taking off your wedding band, I hope?
> I quote your words here as simple retaliation. What you're doing is
> wrong. It's unethical. And it's a lie by suggestion. I've never called
> anybody here a bitch, and I've never called my wife a bitch. What's
> more, what I say or do with my wife is none of your business, and
> should be none of this newsgroup's business.
Oh, chill out Reid. Erin was just attempting humor. What, you didn't
think it
was funny? I did. Hmm, maybe that just goes to show....
> This is evil.
Jack (something wicked this way comes) Mingo
note.boy
but I get 29 mpg :-) 33 on longer runs :-) :-) Billy
Alan & Erin Williams
>
> James VI of Scotland and James I of England is the one guy.
>
I have been doing some research and have discovered that England and
Scotland, even though they are two different nations, are found on the
same island and often have the same ruler! Bibles are found in both
countries, also.
Alan
'isn't history fascinating'
Ankaaz
"I have been doing some research and have discovered that England and Scotland,
even though they are two different nations, are found on the same island and
often have the same ruler! Bibles are found in both countries, also."
Cool!
How about an article on this fascinating subject?
Anka <---- <g>
A.Gent
Look - I'll even get you started:
" What follows is a distillation of many people's opinions and
observations, including my own. Additions and corrections are
welcomed. This document is copyrighted -- please don't republish
elsewhere. HMTL version available here: http://mendosus.com/clueless.html "
Don't forget to add that really confusing bit about England and Australia being
different countries, and all, but still having the same queen. I mean, what the idea
there?
...and don't get me started on Ireland...
--
Jeff
Alan & Erin Williams
It gets better! Apparently, though this is a gray area, both Scotland
and England have used coins in commerce! I'm going to check into this
thoroughly and then proclaim myself an authority.
Alan
'this post is copyrighted'
Ankaaz
"Don't forget to add that really confusing bit about England and Australia
being different countries...."
Well, at least we're talking AUSTRALIA here and not AUSTRIA. I've been
accused...uh...sorry...I mean...mistaken for an Australian more than a few
times!
Anka <---- not that there's anything wrong with that ;-)
A.Gent
I'll say!
You must have an extraordinarily sophisticated demeanour.
Jeff
(never been mistaken for an Austrian)
Ankaaz
"You must have an extraordinarily sophisticated demeanour."
Hell, yeah.
Anka
A.Gent
No no no
You mean: "bloody oath!"
Get it right!
..and on that note - I'm off to saw logs.
Its 00.38 Sydney time. ya-a-a-a-wn
Jeff