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FS Bust Half ebay, yes it's a PCI coin, and here we go!

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Roger

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Jun 28, 2003, 10:42:50 AM6/28/03
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Well I'm new to this group, seems like a great group... so, what do you
think about this one? I really bought the coin not the holder in this case.
I have an NGC MS64 and I like this one better; lustre, color, strike, etc.
These are hard to grade and I don't believe the slab companies even know
what they're doing half the time. It's pretty anyway.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3032923467


Barry K

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Jun 28, 2003, 10:55:43 AM6/28/03
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Roger,
It is a nice looking coin, HOWEVER, I would never bid on a PCI Gold
coin based on pictures. If I saw it in pereson, things might be
different. My feeling is if it's a PCI Gold holder, there HAS to be
something wrong with it - either overgraded, artificially toned,
whizzed, polished, etc. COins are submitted to the bottom feeders for
a reason.
If you are trying to maximize your return, why not take the time to
submit it to a respected grading service?
Barry
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Bill Krummel

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Jun 28, 2003, 11:20:45 AM6/28/03
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"Roger" <rsh...@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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I wouldn't know enough about grading high grade bust halfs to judge PCI on
this bust half. I understand that PCI has been recently been building a
reputation for considerable inconsistency with their grading, rather than
simply gaining a conservative or liberal label as graders.

If you like the PCI better than the NGC, why sell the one you like better?
I think, were it I, I would sell the NGC and keep the PCI. Further,
wouldn't it be worth crossing the coin into a NGC or PCGS holder as far as
ability to get more money? Spend a hundred to get it crossed and see five
hundred more in a sale price.

Like I said, I don't know anything about grading high grade MS bust halfs.
Why do you say they are hard to grade? Bill


mark

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Jun 28, 2003, 11:32:46 AM6/28/03
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>From: "Roger" rsh...@sc.rr.com

>Well I'm new to this group, seems like a great group... so, what do you
>think about this one?

>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3032923467
>

Is there luster under that fingerprint on the cheek?

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mark

Roger

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Jun 28, 2003, 2:55:37 PM6/28/03
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Mark, no fingerprint on the cheek. Somehow, the light reflection at that
angle in the first picture makes a dark spot appear. As you can see in the
other photos, no print exists. Lustre appears unbroken.

"mark" <prg...@aol.combustion> wrote in message
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Roger

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Jun 28, 2003, 3:00:26 PM6/28/03
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Good point but I'm not really trying to max. the return. My first PCI coin
in fact. Does the gold holder have some significance or are all the PCI
holders of late like this? I would never submit a raw one to PCI due to
their reputation unless I just wanted a coin to be plastic for safekeeping.
But, I assume that everyone read the Coin World article on the grading
companies, and yes, right there is b/w, PCI graded lower than the big boys
at least once. Buy the coin coudn't be more true. I've already been
offered $1200 for the half so it must look good to some :-). take care....

"Barry K" <w2...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Barry K

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Jun 28, 2003, 3:48:50 PM6/28/03
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:00:26 GMT, "Roger" <rsh...@sc.rr.com> wrote:

>Good point but I'm not really trying to max. the return. My first PCI coin
>in fact. Does the gold holder have some significance or are all the PCI
>holders of late like this? I would never submit a raw one to PCI due to
>their reputation unless I just wanted a coin to be plastic for safekeeping.
>But, I assume that everyone read the Coin World article on the grading
>companies, and yes, right there is b/w, PCI graded lower than the big boys
>at least once. Buy the coin coudn't be more true. I've already been
>offered $1200 for the half so it must look good to some :-). take care....
>

Roger,
PCI used to be a reputable company, and even graded tougher than the
big boys in some series. Those slabs had a green border and 9 or 10
digit serial number on the back. Search through rcc archives and find
a post by Eric Tillery. At the post of his post, his sig contains a
web site link with pictures and more specific info.

Chrysta Wilson

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Jun 28, 2003, 4:08:17 PM6/28/03
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In article <3efdf0b2...@news.cis.dfn.de>, w2...@mindspring.com
says...

Here, Roger,

I have the PCI page Eric made bookmarked:
http://www.k6az.com/pci/pci.htm

HTH!
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~~~Chrysta~~~

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Eric Tillery

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Jun 28, 2003, 4:25:06 PM6/28/03
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:48:50 GMT, w2...@mindspring.com (Barry K) wrote:

>PCI used to be a reputable company, and even graded tougher than the
>big boys in some series. Those slabs had a green border and 9 or 10
>digit serial number on the back. Search through rcc archives and find
>a post by Eric Tillery. At the post of his post, his sig contains a
>web site link with pictures and more specific info.

Here is the rundown of PCI slabs:

Green Label, ten digit serial number- Very conservative grading, at all grades. These slabs with a
PQ designation almost always upgrade a point at PCGS. All PCI slabs seem to be lumped together on
eBay as far as price goes, so you can find some real steals on these slabs.

Green Label, fourteen digit serial number- Accurate grading up to MS65. Very liberal on MS66 and
above. Again, great deals can be had on these, but stay away from MS66 and over.

Green Label, nine digit serial number- The serial numbers on PCI slabs went to nine digits when the
ownership changed. Grading became atrocious, usually Morgans overgraded by at least two points,
cleaned coins with no mention on the holder, and altered coins slabbed as genuine. Absolutely stay
away from these slabs.

Gold Label, nine digit serial number- Same as above, atrocious grading.
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