New collecting project: 100 Rulers.
Byron L. Reed
While at my local library I found a book by John Canning titled "100 Great
Kings, Queens, and Rulers of the World" and thought it would be a fun
pursuit to locate numismatic items for as many as possible. Some will be
very difficult, as they lived previous to the development of coinage. Some
substitute will have to be found. Perhaps I'll replace those folks with
later folks I feel have been missed.
There is a decidedly 1960s bias in the picking of rulers from the Twentieth
Century and I may replace them with my own. I also notice no Andrew
Jackson; we may have to do something about that. What, no TR!
I'd appreciate your suggested additions or subtractions from the list.
Also your ideas about what to include from those who issued no coins.
Remember I prefer to have something contemporary with their reigns.
Here is the list, chronologically:
Cheops
Hammurabi
Thotmes III
Akhnaton
Moses
David
Solomon
Ashurbanipal
Cyrus the Great
Darius I
Leonidas
Pericles
Alexander the Great
Chandragupta Maura
Asoka
Hannibal
Julius Caesar
Cleopatra
Augustus Caesar
Herod the Great
Boudicca
Trajan
Hadrian
Marcus Aurelius
Constantine the Great
Attila
Justinian I
Mohammed
Abd Al-Rahman
Charlemagne
Harun-Al-Rashid
Alfred the Great
Wenceslas
Otto the Great
Brian Boru
Cnut
William the Conqueror
Frederic Barbarossa
Saladin
Henry II, of England
Richard the Lionheart
Gehghis Khan
Frederick II of Sicily, etc.
Louis IX
Kublai Khan
Edward I
Robert Bruce (Not many Great Scotts, apparently.)
Edward III
Tamerland (Timur)
Sigismund of Hungary
Henry V, of England
Louis XI
Mohammed II
Ivan III
Richard III
Ferdinand V
Isabella I (Interesting that I could include a US coin for her.)
Henry VII, of England
Montezuma
Henry VIII
Charles V, Emperor
Catherine de Medici
Phillip II, of Spain
Atahualpa
William the Silent
Akbar
Henry IV, of France
Elizabeth I
Gustavus Adolphus
Oliver Cromwell
Charles I, of England
Charles II, of England
Louis XIV
Peter the Great
Charles XII
Frederick the Great
Maria Theresa
Catherine the Great
George Washington
Louis XVI
Napoleon I
Abraham Lincoln
Victoria
Victor Emanuel II
Franz Joseph
Cetewayo
Edward VII
Meiji Mutsuhito
Chulalongkorn (Rama V)
William II, of Prussia
George V
Sun Yat Sen
Pilsudski
Lenin
Albert I
Kemal Attaturk
FDR
Charles De Gaulle
Mao Tse Tung
George VI
JFK. Of course, the book was published only four years after he was killed.
The most glaring omission I see is Winston Churchill. After Victoria,
there are no great British monarchs, IMO.
BLReed
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Alan & Erin Williams
>
> While at my local library I found a book by John Canning titled "100 Great
> Kings, Queens, and Rulers of the World" and thought it would be a fun
> pursuit to locate numismatic items for as many as possible. Some will be
> very difficult, as they lived previous to the development of coinage. Some
> substitute will have to be found. Perhaps I'll replace those folks with
> later folks I feel have been missed.
>
> There is a decidedly 1960s bias in the picking of rulers from the Twentieth
> Century and I may replace them with my own. I also notice no Andrew
> Jackson; we may have to do something about that.
Curb your tongue, knave! ;-)
What, no TR!
>
> I'd appreciate your suggested additions or subtractions from the list.
> Also your ideas about what to include from those who issued no coins.
> Remember I prefer to have something contemporary with their reigns.
>
> Here is the list, chronologically:
>
> Cheops
> Hammurabi
No stealing stele! There are cuniform tablets around, though.
> Thotmes III
> Akhnaton
> Moses
Take two tablets and call me in the morning.
(snip)
> Attila
There have to be some old ransom demands laying around....
(snip)
> Robert Bruce (Not many Great Scotts, apparently.)
No *successful* Great Scots. ;-/ Lots of pretenders and discontents,
though.
(snip)
> Montezuma
(snip)
much of his wealth is now found on the ceilings of Catholic Cathedrals.
> The most glaring omission I see is Winston Churchill. After Victoria,
> there are no great British monarchs, IMO.
>
> BLReed
Churchill *is* a glaring ommission. Add Nelson Mandela, too.
Neat project, Byron! Have fun with it!
Alan
'no Kemal Ataturks handy'
Byron L. Reed
<will...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Churchill *is* a glaring ommission.
>Add Nelson Mandela, too.
I couldn't get a Uniroyal to fit into a 2x2. A truly disgusting man.
Colin Kynoch
Fantastic List.
Is there a way you can check which rulers have not appeared on coins
and then substitute ones like Churchill (i have several Crowns and you
are welcome to have one if you like) for those that don't appear on
coins?
Colin Kynoch
Ian
>
>>Robert Bruce (Not many Great Scotts, apparently.)
>
>
> No *successful* Great Scots. ;-/ Lots of pretenders and discontents,
> though.
> (snip)
>
Rather than thinking in terms of battles and silly politics try thinking
in terms of inventors (steam engine,telephone...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
etc.. Then try thinking in terms of economic theory......Adam Smith's
`Wealth of Nations' is what America is built upon. Hendry Ford wouldn't
have known what a production line was if it hadn't been for oor ain
Adam. How about some other successful high profile Scots...like
LogieBaird, or Carnegie...heard of him? There are many many others who
have had lasting impact on the universe as we know it. Such a small
country producing so many stellar individuals and you guys say not many
great/ *successful* Scots?.....hah!!!!
Ian
Colin Kynoch
<rccR_E_M...@byronreed.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:23:32 GMT, Alan & Erin Williams
><will...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Churchill *is* a glaring ommission.
>
>>Add Nelson Mandela, too.
>
>I couldn't get a Uniroyal to fit into a 2x2. A truly disgusting man.
I can only assume you missed the smiley. Surely you are not serious.
Colin Kynoch
Byron L. Reed
wrote:
>Fantastic List.
>
>Is there a way you can check which rulers have not appeared on coins
>and then substitute ones like Churchill (i have several Crowns and you
>are welcome to have one if you like) for those that don't appear on
>coins?
>
>Colin Kynoch
My first interest is to get a coin or medal of their reign with a portrait.
Failing that, just a coin of their reign. Third choice is a non-coin
numismatic or fiscal item. An absolute last resort is to get a coin with
their portrait made after the fact.
I know many of the early ones have appeared on modern collector sets. Ick.
Byron L. Reed
wrote:
>>I couldn't get a Uniroyal to fit into a 2x2. A truly disgusting man.
>
>
>I can only assume you missed the smiley. Surely you are not serious.
>
>Colin Kynoch
Hell yes I'm serious. A twentieth-century man who advocated the placing of
burning tires around the necks of his political opponents' children while
the family watches is not what I'd call a great leader. He is the poster
child for close-your-eyes, ends-justify-the-means liberalism.
I suggest you read Mwesi Twala’s book "Mbokodo" before you assign sainthood
to Mr. Mandela.
Jorg Lueke
scientists would be a little more deserving. Be that as it may a few
people I'd include:
Shapur I - His defeat of Rome and capture of the Emperor established the
Sasanian Empire as a true power
Scipio Africanus - Without him Rome may have been overcome by the
Phoenecians
Basil II - The last truly great Byzantine leader
There also has to be a few earlier Chinese emperors worthy, builder of the
Great Wall for one.
Siddartha Gautama was also a king and rather influential
Over 1 billion people believe Jesus Christ is king, and the list also has
Moses and Mohammed.
I'd probably also include the early Umayyad caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar.
Alexander I of Russia also has a special place in my heart thanks to
Tolstoy
JSTONE9352
>Rather than thinking in terms of battles and silly politics try thinking
>in terms of inventors (steam engine,telephone...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
The Scots invented golf. Without them
there would be no Tiger Woods and other
famous golfers.
Alan & Erin Williams
You could balance the Roman influence a bit if you include
Vercingetorix...but I guess his coin would have to be a Roman issue as well..(?)
Alan
'all of Gaul was divided...so what's new?'
ELurio
Kings, Queens, and Rulers of the World" and thought it would be a fun
pursuit to locate numismatic items for as many as possible. Some will be
very difficult, as they lived previous to the development of coinage. Some
substitute will have to be found. Perhaps I'll replace those folks with
Unless you're extremely rich, you'll have to limit yourself to the 19th and
20th centuries...plus a few romans.....
<< Cheops
Hammurabi
Thotmes III
Akhnaton
Moses
David
Solomon
Ashurbanipal
Cyrus the Great
Darius I
Leonidas
Pericles >><BR><BR>
No coins of these people were ever made.
<< Alexander the Great
Chandragupta Maura
Asoka
Hannibal
Julius Caesar
Cleopatra
Augustus Caesar
Herod the Great >><BR><BR>
This'll cost you a bundle. Alexander was on coins for at least a century after
his death. Augustus, too can be afordable. Herod the Great's face was never on
coins. His grandson Herod Agrippa was, but those coins are worth a fortune.
<< Boudicca >><BR><BR>
The Brittania on the back of the old British penny is allegedly Boudicca.
<< Trajan
Hadrian
Marcus Aurelius
Constantine the Great
Attila
Justinian I >><BR><BR>
Some of these are affordable, although I don't think there are any Attila
coins.
<< Mohammed
Abd Al-Rahman
Charlemagne
Harun-Al-Rashid
Alfred the Great
Wenceslas
Otto the Great >><BR><BR>
Mohammed's face have never been depicted ANYWHERE. The Ummayads WERE depicted
on their coins but then depicting humans was forbidden until the 19th century,
although there are medels and paintings of the Ottoman sultans and Mogal
emperors.
Medevil coins are extremely hard to get without spending a fortune.
<< Brian Boru
Cnut
William the Conqueror
Frederic Barbarossa
Saladin
Henry II, of England
Richard the Lionheart
Gehghis Khan
Frederick II of Sicily, etc.
Louis IX
Kublai Khan >><BR><BR>
same here. The closest you could get to an affordable one here was Henry II,
but only because there wasn't a number on the his, or his grandson's money and
the art is so bad you couldn't tell the difference between them.
Modern Chinese counterfeits of Kublai Khan's coins don't have his face on them
but are available.
<< Isabella I (Interesting that I could include a US coin for her.)
>><BR><BR>
If you're going to have MODERN coins with ancient monarchs on them, try the
Pobjoy mint's catalogue, they have commemerative psudeo-coins with just about
every single british monarch on them.
<< Montezuma >><BR><BR>
The old 1/2 peso from Mexico has his successor Chiontemoc [sic] on them. BTW,
Montezuma was a lousy ruler.
<< Henry VIII
Charles V, Emperor
Catherine de Medici
Phillip II, of Spain
Atahualpa
William the Silent
Akbar
Henry IV, of France
Elizabeth I
Gustavus Adolphus >><BR><BR>
Even the debased Henry VIII "coppernose" shillings are expensive. Jettons of
Henry IV ar indeed affordable. I saw an AG Elizabeth I coin in a junkbox
once...I've been kicking myself for not buying it ever since.
<< Oliver Cromwell >><BR><BR>
I think there are some reproductions of this thing...
<< Charles I, of England
Charles II, of England >><BR><BR>
After the romans, start here. Charles II, is in fact, affordable. A ha'penny or
farthing will do nicely.
<< Peter the Great
Charles XII
Frederick the Great
Maria Theresa
Catherine the Great
George Washington
Louis XVI >><BR><BR>
You have to decide whether you want Monograms or faces. If you'll accept the
former, you can get all of these [washington coins of the 1780s don't have
monograms of course] But for some reason, many kings wouldn't put their mugs on
anything but gold.
A Maria Theresa taler is cheap. Louis XVI was a lousy ruler, but his coins are
cheap too.
<< Napoleon I<-bronze king of italy coins
Abraham Lincoln<-circulated Illinois half
Victoria<-shilling or UNC penny
Victor Emanuel II<-very easy to find.
Franz Joseph<-easy to find.
Cetewayo<-who?
Edward VII<-very cheap
Meiji Mutsuhito<-no coins with his face on them
Chulalongkorn (Rama V)<-very expensive
William II, of Prussia<-a two or three mark coin
George V<-the 1935 commemerative crown
Sun Yat Sen<- Taiwan's coins have his face on them >><BR><BR>
If you're going to have Napolean, you have to have Hitler and Stalin. I
recomend a token for the former and the Czech coin for the latter as it's the
only one minted. There's a very common "fantasy lira" with Mussalini on it.
<< Pilsudski<-this is quite expensive
Lenin<-Soviet Commems the '70s.
Albert I<- of Belgium? His last issue is cheap.
Kemal Attaturk<-all turkish coins have his face on them from 1940 to 2000.
FDR<- the 1985-W dime.
Charles De Gaulle<-the commem franc is cheap
Mao Tse Tung<-There were some commems minted by the PRC but they are hard to
get.
George VI<- if you don't have this one already, you should be ashamed of
yourself.
JFK.<-ditto >><BR><BR>
<< The most glaring omission I see is Winston Churchill. After Victoria,
there are no great British monarchs, IMO. >><BR><BR>
Several on the list weren't great at all. Victoria wasn't a great monarch, she
just didn't croak until she was very old. She wasn't popular at all.
...and if you're going to just get the "good" ones
most of the list will have to go, as they were all tyrants except for George
Washington prior to 1810.
Also, there's a Mahatma Gandhi coin from India as well as for Indira Gandhi and
her father Neru. The Mexican President Benito Juarez is on a number of coins,
but they weren't issued during his lifetime.
eric l.
Jim Roberts
>
> While at my local library I found a book by John Canning titled
> "100 Great Kings, Queens, and Rulers of the World" and thought
> it would be a fun pursuit to locate numismatic items for as many
Byron, So _that's_ why you asked recently where to find a coin of
Otto the Great! Just about everybody on your list, starting from
Julius Caesar onward, is readily available, if you don't insist on
having portraits and are willing to make some compromises. Leaving
aside the few Indian, African, and Native-American rulers, about
whom I know very little, here are the main problem areas:
Attila, Mohammed, St. Wenceslas, and Brian Boru didn't strike
coins, AFAIK, but you can come reasonably close on all of them:
A crude Sassanian drachm struck at the right time and place for
Attila; a 10th or 11th C Bohemian denar with the name and portrait
of Wenceslas for him; a mid-7th C Arab-Byzantine fals for Mohammed
(or one of the first coins with M's name, about a generation later);
and a Hiberno-Norse coin struck immediately after BB's death.
Lifetime issues of Charlemagne and Alfred the Great are fairly
expensive, and you have to be very careful to distinguish them
from the commoner posthumous issues. Abd Al-Rahman is either a
bit scarce if you mean AR I, or very common if you mean AR III.
Kublai Khan's coins are rare, but the counterfeits aren't. The
Bruce is popular and expensive. I'm not sure if Catherine de
Medici issued coins of her own (probably so), but her husband
Henry II of France certainly did, and his coins are very common.
As far as modifying the list, I'd drop Richard III (How did he
ever get on it?) and add Diocletian, Theoderic, St. Stephen (of
Hungary), Enrico Dandolo (who presents a slight problem), Innocent
III (a very much bigger problem), and Lorenzo the Magnificent.
It'll be an interesting hunt. Lots of luck...
- Jim Roberts
Alan & Erin Williams
>
> << While at my local library I found a book by John Canning titled "100 Great
> Kings, Queens, and Rulers of the World" and thought it would be a fun
> pursuit to locate numismatic items for as many as possible. Some will be
> very difficult, as they lived previous to the development of coinage. Some
> substitute will have to be found. Perhaps I'll replace those folks with
> later folks I feel have been missed. >><BR><BR>
>
> Unless you're extremely rich, you'll have to limit yourself to the 19th and
> 20th centuries...plus a few romans.....
>
Or be in the right place/right time. ;-)
> Charlemagne
> Harun-Al-Rashid
> Alfred the Great
Get out the metal detectors!! ;-)
Alan
'no 1964 nickels'
Cliff
I have a ruler from "School Box" and a yard stick from Home Depot if
you want to add them to your collection.
Cliff
Scottishmoney
"Alan & Erin Williams" <will...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > There is a decidedly 1960s bias in the picking of rulers from the
Twentieth
> > Century and I may replace them with my own. I also notice no Andrew
> > Jackson; we may have to do something about that.
>
Andrew Jackson, our very own heroic and genocidal maniac on the Twenty. One
phrase to remember = "Trail of Tears, and Broken Treaties."
> What, no TR!
>
> > Robert Bruce (Not many Great Scotts, apparently.)
>
> No *successful* Great Scots. ;-/ Lots of pretenders and discontents,
> though.
> (snip)
You will be forgiven this slight only once, donna ya try this again. :] We
hae great Scots here in our wee RCC grouping. William Wallace, a claimant
Scot, but a Scot nonetheless, a man worthy of his adopted land.
Dave
"Nemo Me Impune Lacesset"
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Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
Hi Byron,
This sounds like a fascinating theme for a collection! There are
already some very cogent replies on this thread, so I'll try to be
brief:
> Chandragupta Maura
> Asoka
Indian coinage at this period consisted mainly of small, flat
punchmarked silver pieces. There are some types that have been
attributed to these reigns, and they aren't terribly expensive, but
they don't bear the kings' names (or any inscription at all), just
various punched designs.
> Julius Caesar
Portrait issues are expensive (several hundred dolllars and up), but
you can sometimes get a nice denarius issued by him to pay the
troops,and featuring his name, for under a hundred dollars.
> Cleopatra
Cleopatra VII, last of the Ptolemies- any portrait issue will cost a
bundle- and let me tell you, despite the legends, if we are to believe
the portraits it wasn't her beauty that attracted Julius Caesar, Marc
Antony, et al. to her.
> Augustus Caesar
Not too expensive for a decent portrait.
> Herod the Great
No portrait issues (that I know of), small bronzes with his name
should be well under $100.
> Boudicca
There are some silver coins of the Iceni tribe during her reign that
aren't enormously expensive, and they do have a wonderful abstract
portrait. Alas, the portrait is probably just a generalized feature
(coins were supposed to have a portrait, so they just stuck one on)
rather than representing her specifically. Still, it's a pretty cool
coin.
> Trajan
> Hadrian
> Marcus Aurelius
> Constantine the Great
> Justinian I
All of these are reasonably common and affordable with their
portraits.
>Attila
Unfortunately the Huns weren't big on issuing coins.
> Mohammed
It would be sacriligious to make a portrait of Mohammed, and he
apparently didn't issue any coins in his lifetime. Many Islamic coins
do include his name in the legend, though (mostly in the phrase
"Mohammed is the prophet of God".)
> Harun-Al-Rashid
Silver dirhems struck during his reign, especially from the mint of
Baghdad, are very common and usually under $20. Only some varieties
actually include his name in the legend; buy from an expert, like
Stephen Album, who can distinguish the varieties.
> Gehghis Khan
There are some billon coins struck in his lifetime that are under
$100, don't recall if they mention his name or not. Joel Anderson
probably has these in stock.
> Tamerland (Timur)
Most of his coins are scarce, but a couple of silver coins are listed
in the books as fairly common.
> Mohammed II
I assume Mehmet II, the Ottoman who finally conquered Constantinople?
Small silver akces are common, other coins scarce.
> Akbar
Coins issued by Akbar and most other Mughals aren't hard to find but
they are not portrait issues.
> Cetewayo
I confess you have stumped me. The name sounds Native American, but
other than that no bells are ringing.
> Meiji Mutsuhito
Easy to find Japanese coins mentioning his reign title, but no
portrait coins (unless there are some super-rare patterns).
Hope this helps,
Robert A. DeRose, Jr.
Byron L. Reed
>Unless you're extremely rich, you'll have to limit yourself to the 19th and
>20th centuries...plus a few romans.....
I don't think you know how many great bargains can be had out there if
you're willing to accept minors without portraits. Many of the coins of
700 AD to 1800 AD are available at modest prices compared to US coins. I
would much rather have a Charlemagne denier at $600 than a slick 1893S
Morgan. Cnut pennies (common types) have been selling for less than $200,
which does double duty in my Anglo-Saxon/pre-Norman penny collection. I
have a VF Otto I denier c.900AD coming to me right now for less than $70.
Most of the minors of the 14th through 18th centuries are dirt cheap. Why
settle for a Brittania when you can have an actual Iceni "Boudicca" for
less than $300? (Yes, I know that assignation is questionable.) That
uncirculated Sigusmund gold that J Kern had today in Coin World looked
really nice at $900, but a XF silver at $40 is just as good.
Also to be considered is time. This set wouldn't be much fun if I bought
it all at once. I hope to have at least 30 years left to fill it.
Byron L. Reed
>I have a ruler from "School Box" and a yard stick from Home Depot if
>you want to add them to your collection.
>Cliff
I can tell that you 'graduated.'
Byron L. Reed
>Byron, So _that's_ why you asked recently where to find a coin of
>Otto the Great!
Exactly so, it is on it's way too - A VF Pavia Denaro with the name OTTO
bold in the center. I've never had a HRE coin of that era, so I thought
that would be as good a one to start with.
Thanks for your notes about the availability of some rulers. The biggie
will for me be the Charlemagne because I already have a number of
Mero/Caro/Frankish deniers, but not him, and I need to fill out the group.
>As far as modifying the list, I'd drop Richard III (How did he
>ever get on it?) and add Diocletian, Theoderic, St. Stephen (of
>Hungary), Enrico Dandolo (who presents a slight problem), Innocent
>III (a very much bigger problem), and Lorenzo the Magnificent.
The book is a compilation of short essays by about twenty different
authors. I imagine some of them only got on there "by committee." Overall
a pro-British bias. (Richard III, Ed VII, Geo V & VI - get real.) They
must have needed somebody to fill those time slots. When they suggest
seventeen of the greatest 100 rulers in history are in the Twentieth
Century, I know somebody there was smoking bad weed.
I've been searching for similar lists on the web with little success.
Perhaps I'll find one I like better.
Byron L. Reed
<scotti...@charter.net> wrote:
>You will be forgiven this slight only once, donna ya try this again. :] We
>hae great Scots here in our wee RCC grouping. William Wallace, a claimant
>Scot, but a Scot nonetheless, a man worthy of his adopted land.
Yes, yes, I know. But I couldn't miss the chance to twist you and Ian just
a bit.
Take heart, the Scots beat out the Aussies.
Byron L. Reed
wrote:
>> Mohammed II
>
>I assume Mehmet II, the Ottoman who finally conquered Constantinople?
>Small silver akces are common, other coins scarce.
>
Yes, that's the guy.
>> Cetewayo
>
>I confess you have stumped me. The name sounds Native American, but
>other than that no bells are ringing.
The great Zulu Warrior King.
Thanks for the input. I will call upon some of your recommended sources.
Ian
> William Wallace, a claimant
> Scot, but a Scot nonetheless, a man worthy of his adopted land.
>
Willie Wallace was on the dole? I didnae ken that Dave. See whit ye
learn frae r.c.c. ! Amazin' stuff.
Whit aboot oor very ain poet's?
First, a king who immortalised the lines `A horse. A horse. My kingdom
for a horse' (said king upon receipt of a horse unwittingly proceeds to
ride off into the night in the wrong direction taking both horse and
self over the edge of cliff....thus losing horse AND kingdom. He wasn't
the brightest button.
Then there was the recently departed modern poet Geeza Lenny who echoed
the sentiments of horse of a different kind in his immortal lines
Wid ye geeza len y a pony
jist until ma dole check arrives
I wid pay ye back on tuesday
but by then I wid only hae five
Help with translation? A `pony' is slang for a £20 note.
Ian
Ian
Scotland also gave the world `Johnnie Walker' Black Label. :-)
What more can one world ask for?
Ian
Ian
BTW....wasn't John Canning Scottish..........(?) ;-)
Ian
Scottishmoney
"Ian" <I...@wideblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:HQDYb.1602$gX1.16...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Scottishmoney wrote:
>
> > William Wallace, a claimant
> > Scot, but a Scot nonetheless, a man worthy of his adopted land.
> >
>
> Willie Wallace was on the dole? I didnae ken that Dave. See whit ye
> learn frae r.c.c. ! Amazin' stuff.
Not without some doubt, but many researchers believe WW's family came from
Wales, which may explain the Wallace name.
>
> Whit aboot oor very ain poet's?
>
> First, a king who immortalised the lines `A horse. A horse. My kingdom
> for a horse' (said king upon receipt of a horse unwittingly proceeds to
> ride off into the night in the wrong direction taking both horse and
> self over the edge of cliff....thus losing horse AND kingdom. He wasn't
> the brightest button.
>
And to think he did the deed you cite in your very own Kingdom of Fife.
Somewhere along one of the motorways there, there is a memorial where said
event is believed to have occured.
He not only lost the Kingdom, but left as his only heir a sickly infant girl
in Norway. She would never live long enough to have seen the Kingdom of
Scotland either, she died in the Orkneys.
> Then there was the recently departed modern poet Geeza Lenny who echoed
> the sentiments of horse of a different kind in his immortal lines
>
> Wid ye geeza len y a pony
> jist until ma dole check arrives
> I wid pay ye back on tuesday
> but by then I wid only hae five
>
> Help with translation? A `pony' is slang for a £20 note.
>
> Ian
Yep, the horse on the back of the Clydesdale £20. Used to be on the Clydes
£1 note until that denomination was phased out and they couldn't exactly
just phase out Robert Bruce, so they moved him up to the £20 and bounced
Lord Kelvin to the £100 only(why in the world was Lord Kelvin on both the
£20 and £100 notes at the same time?)
Dave
Colin Kynoch
wrote:
I'll be honest and say I prefer Blu label over Black label anytime.
And Red label is a sad way of ruining perfectly good Coca Cola.
>What more can one world ask for?
More Blue Label, or even better 25 year old Single Malts.
Colin Kynoch
rhodo chrosite
> > No *successful* Great Scots. ;-/ Lots of pretenders and discontents,
> > though.
Careful now, we Campbells are not known for being very tolerant.
ELurio
that's why the Canadian prime minister of that name got tossed out with her
majority shrinking to two seats......
ELurio
politicians.
Ian
Perfection, thy name is `Talisker'. (Isle of Skye single malt)
Ian
Colin Kynoch
wrote:
Never seen that over here.
How would one obtain perfection?
Colin Kynoch
>
>Ian
Scottishmoney
"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >>>What more can one world ask for?
> >>
> >>
> >> More Blue Label, or even better 25 year old Single Malts.
> >>
> >> Colin Kynoch
> >
> >Perfection, thy name is `Talisker'. (Isle of Skye single malt)
>
> Never seen that over here.
>
> How would one obtain perfection?
>
> Colin Kynoch
> >
Ian will probably keep that a secret. Ya save the best for yourself and
tell the rest where to get the good stuff.
Dave
Colin Kynoch
<scotti...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >>>What more can one world ask for?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> More Blue Label, or even better 25 year old Single Malts.
>> >>
>> >> Colin Kynoch
>> >
>> >Perfection, thy name is `Talisker'. (Isle of Skye single malt)
>>
>> Never seen that over here.
>>
>> How would one obtain perfection?
>>
>> Colin Kynoch
>> >
>
>Ian will probably keep that a secret. Ya save the best for yourself and
>tell the rest where to get the good stuff.
Hey I have no problems shelling out cold hard for great Scotch.
I am sure Ian can't drink it all.
Colin Kynoch
Scottishmoney
>
> Colin Kynoch
Back just before Christmas I got a mysterious little tube in the mail, which
had a cryptic return address, British stamps, and a Royal Mail customs tag,
with again mysterious description of said contents: "Water of Life" I am
still amazed that our paranoid customs officials let the "Water of Life"
slide through unopened etc. But my wee bottle of Glenfiddich resides in a
place of honour. BTW Ian is funny about how he labels things going through
the mails, I remember in the past getting something labelled hazardous
medical samples or something along that line(this was pre Bushwhacker era
though)
Colin Kynoch
<scotti...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I am sure Ian can't drink it all.
>>
>> Colin Kynoch
>
>Back just before Christmas I got a mysterious little tube in the mail, which
>had a cryptic return address, British stamps, and a Royal Mail customs tag,
>with again mysterious description of said contents: "Water of Life" I am
>still amazed that our paranoid customs officials let the "Water of Life"
>slide through unopened etc. But my wee bottle of Glenfiddich resides in a
>place of honour. BTW Ian is funny about how he labels things going through
>the mails, I remember in the past getting something labelled hazardous
>medical samples or something along that line(this was pre Bushwhacker era
>though)
I love Glenfiddich.
It is my regular Scotch.
I have a Macallan and a Blue Label for Special Occasions.
Colin Kynoch
Ian
I recently had the good fortune to come upon a cask strength 20 year old
Talisker (62.5% vol). It was probably bottled as a 20 yr old some 20
years ago though. It cost me a pretty penny or three but it is certainly
worth it.
Last time I came across Talisker at anywhere near that strength was when
I was eighteen years old, over on the Isle of Skye on a two week
climbing holiday. It was at a little inn in the middle of nowhere called
The Sligachan Inn. It was the only place I ever came across that sold it
over the bar.
The owner had three strenghts of Talisker at that time 60, 80 and 100
degree proof (roughly akin to 45%, 47.5% and 55% vol. The 100 was
(amazingly) as smooth as silk.
Nowadays you can only get hold of only the 'ornary 45% vol stuff over
here. Although (to me) it stands head and shoulders above most single
malts, it is a shadow of the 25 yr old Talisker which is 47.5 vol and
extremely smooth (but extremely hard on the pocket). It is also
difficult to get hold of but I do come across it on occasion.
I honestly can't help with the 62.5 stuff, it is literally as scarce as
hen's teeth. I got the one and only bottle i've ever come across in the
past 35 yrs. Like nice coins (to help get this back on topic)the good
ones are worth the search, and waiting for them to make their appearance
on the market.
The 25 yr old, is excellent, but to my scottish (tight fisted) mind it
is not worth the horrendous difference in price over the 'ornary.
If you want me to get hold of either a sampler bottle or a bottle of the
'ornary one for you, let me know. I can probably get the 25 yr old, but
at £50 a bottle (cheaper by far than the 20 yr old one I got) it falls
into the `man this had BETTER be good' category.
Ian
Byron L. Reed
>Perfection, thy name is `Talisker'. (Isle of Skye single malt)
>
>Ian
"The king o' drinks, as I conceive it, Talisker, Islay or Glenlivit. "
--- Robert Louis Stevenson
Bruce Hickmott
have written:
Is this the good stuff?
http://www.missionliquor.com/Store/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1051665214
Bruce
Byron L. Reed
wrote:
>Is this the good stuff?
>
>http://www.missionliquor.com/Store/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1051665214
>
>Bruce
Must be: "Beautifully smooth even at this strenght"
Bruce Hickmott
<rccR_E_M...@byronreed.com> is alleged to have written:
I think they were sampling and spell checking at the same time. :-)
Bruce
Colin Kynoch
>Colin Kynoch wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:49:17 -0500, "Scottishmoney"
>> <scotti...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Colin Kynoch" <kynoch...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>I am sure Ian can't drink it all.
>>>>
>>>>Colin Kynoch
>>>
>>>Back just before Christmas I got a mysterious little tube in the mail, which
>>>had a cryptic return address, British stamps, and a Royal Mail customs tag,
>>>with again mysterious description of said contents: "Water of Life" I am
>>>still amazed that our paranoid customs officials let the "Water of Life"
>>>slide through unopened etc. But my wee bottle of Glenfiddich resides in a
>>>place of honour. BTW Ian is funny about how he labels things going through
>>>the mails, I remember in the past getting something labelled hazardous
>>>medical samples or something along that line(this was pre Bushwhacker era
>>>though)
>>
>>
>> I love Glenfiddich.
>>
>> It is my regular Scotch.
>>
>> I have a Macallan and a Blue Label for Special Occasions.
>>
>> Colin Kynoch
>
>I recently had the good fortune to come upon a cask strength 20 year old
>Talisker (62.5% vol). It was probably bottled as a 20 yr old some 20
>years ago though. It cost me a pretty penny or three but it is certainly
>worth it.
You are indeed a fortunate man.
>Last time I came across Talisker at anywhere near that strength was when
>I was eighteen years old, over on the Isle of Skye on a two week
>climbing holiday. It was at a little inn in the middle of nowhere called
>The Sligachan Inn. It was the only place I ever came across that sold it
> over the bar.
>
>The owner had three strenghts of Talisker at that time 60, 80 and 100
>degree proof (roughly akin to 45%, 47.5% and 55% vol. The 100 was
>(amazingly) as smooth as silk.
Love that sort of Scotch.
>Nowadays you can only get hold of only the 'ornary 45% vol stuff over
>here. Although (to me) it stands head and shoulders above most single
>malts, it is a shadow of the 25 yr old Talisker which is 47.5 vol and
>extremely smooth (but extremely hard on the pocket). It is also
>difficult to get hold of but I do come across it on occasion.
>
>I honestly can't help with the 62.5 stuff, it is literally as scarce as
>hen's teeth. I got the one and only bottle i've ever come across in the
>past 35 yrs. Like nice coins (to help get this back on topic)the good
>ones are worth the search, and waiting for them to make their appearance
>on the market.
So is that saved for very special occasions or is it unopened?
>The 25 yr old, is excellent, but to my scottish (tight fisted) mind it
>is not worth the horrendous difference in price over the 'ornary.
It would seem being 5 generations removed from Scotland a little of
the tightfistedness has left me. ( I will pay $40 (£ 15) for a shot of
good Scotch when my wife and I eat out), or maybe it is just I don't
have as easy access here in Oz.
>If you want me to get hold of either a sampler bottle or a bottle of the
>'ornary one for you, let me know. I can probably get the 25 yr old, but
>at £50 a bottle (cheaper by far than the 20 yr old one I got) it falls
>into the `man this had BETTER be good' category.
£50 equates to roughly $125 which is half what you would pay for a
decent 20yo single malt or a Johnny Blue here.
I would be quite interested to discuss how we could do this Ian, but
to save the good folks here can you email me at
Kind regards
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
<rccR_E_M...@byronreed.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:58:13 GMT, Ian <I...@wideblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Perfection, thy name is `Talisker'. (Isle of Skye single malt)
>>
>>Ian
>
>"The king o' drinks, as I conceive it, Talisker, Islay or Glenlivit. "
Like Glenlivit.
It semd RLS had great tatste
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
<bru...@lexisnexis.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>Is this the good stuff?
>
>http://www.missionliquor.com/Store/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1051665214
Looks like it, but I hope noone who drinks it does it the discourtesy
of doing so whilst smoking a cigar.
May as well drink dish water if you are going to do that.
Colin Kynoch
Ian
That's the one that normally has a strength of 47.5% - 50% vol. It is a
beauty (and accurately described as the nectar of the gods)!! :-)
Even it pales in comparison to the 20 yr old cask strength (IMHO of course).
Ian
Ian
>
> It would seem being 5 generations removed from Scotland a little of
> the tightfistedness has left me. ( I will pay $40 (£ 15) for a shot of
> good Scotch when my wife and I eat out), or maybe it is just I don't
> have as easy access here in Oz.
>
>
>>If you want me to get hold of either a sampler bottle or a bottle of the
>>'ornary one for you, let me know. I can probably get the 25 yr old, but
>>at £50 a bottle (cheaper by far than the 20 yr old one I got) it falls
>>into the `man this had BETTER be good' category.
>
>
> £50 equates to roughly $125 which is half what you would pay for a
> decent 20yo single malt or a Johnny Blue here.
>
> I would be quite interested to discuss how we could do this Ian, but
> to save the good folks here can you email me at
>
> kynoch...@bigpond.com
>
> Kind regards
>
> Colin Kynoch
email enroute
Ian
Bruce Hickmott
have written:
And it's $270 a bottle. For that price, I'd expect the top of the line. Looks
like you can get the same stuff cheaper.
Bruce
Ian
If my sums are correct (unlikely), that particular 25 yr old has a
pretty strong character at approx 57% vol. Sometimes `better' is not
more expensive though. I believe that there were only 6,000 bottles of
it issued worldwide (?). Just as well it wasn't distilled in the Isle of
man or the Marshall islands eh? Maybe there's a market in Scotland for
PCGS after all :-)
In any event, comparing the 20 yr old with the 25 yr old....in this case
you are buying the additional 5 years in the cask. I guess that makes a
difference to some peoples taste buds. Mine are possibly not so well
developed.....
Thanks to a contact I made today, the cheapest 20 yr old 62.5 I can get
hold of is £92 (thats $175 US at todays exchange rates). Of course that
doesn't alleviate difficulties in getting it from here to there, but
shipping shouldn't add any more than $20 - $30
Ian
Byron L. Reed
<rccR_E_M...@byronreed.com> wrote:
>
>While at my local library I found a book by John Canning titled "100 Great
>Kings, Queens, and Rulers of the World" and thought it would be a fun
>pursuit to locate numismatic items for as many as possible.
This afternoon I took down the Big Box 'O Foreign Coins and looked for some
of the folks on the list. I was surprised to find I had coins produced
under the authority of eighteen of them (not all portraits, obviously).
They included copper, silver, and - WOW - gold. Unfortunately, some of
them are in such a condition that I want to upgrade them.
Here's who I was able to find:
Henry II, of England
Edward I
Edward III
Henry V, of England
Maria Theresa -
George Washington
Louis XVI
Napoleon I
Abraham Lincoln
Victoria
Franz Joseph
Edward VII
William II, of Prussia
George V
Albert I
FDR
George VI
JFK
And, in the mail today was my L'Otto winner:
http://snipurl.com/4yxa
A cool coin in all it's crudity.