Why Stuart Scott Sucks.
Chris Harris
TO: Van Smack
RE: "You want lobster..I'm thinking Burger King"
Be Careful What You Ask For Van Smack,
"About a week ago you asked me why I always smacked on Stuart Scott with every fax that I sent into the Jungle? I personally thought that the reason was obvious to all, but now that there seems to be growing dislike for DJ Stuy Scott arising in The Jungle, I figured I'd come in and make it plain...or as Stuart himself might say, "I'm gonna break it down for you proper like" DJ Stuey is a no-talent clown who stares out from behind half-opened eyes and accentuates anything he says with some type of urbanized slang. (Boo Ya!!!) He's Droopy the dog meets Big Daddy Kane, and I don't mean that in a good way. He's Bryant Gumbel trying to act like Method Man....He's Pat Boone attempting a stirring rendition of " I ain't the one" by NWA....He thinks he's Busta Rhymes, but he's more like Buster Poindexter. Why is it that I picture Jam-master Stuart sitting at home late at night, white wine spritzer in hand, Tom Jones whisping faintly in the background, watching "Yo, Mtv Raps" to get some lines for his next newscast. His notes consist of little gems like "That L.L. Cool J sure is keene, make sure to use some of his DOPE colloquialisms" and "My , that group Blackstreet sure are a bunch of ruffians, be sure to use some of their energy next time Michael attempts a dunk shot." Other notes include " Remember, nothing goes better with NHL highlights than Ghetto Boys lines"-which leads to stirring commentary like "Patrick Roy lets in a blast from the blue line..."His Minds Playin' Tricks on Him". In sum, I feel fairly confident in saying that I, the pasty Chowd that I am, listen to more rap than Stuart Scott, and until he references any song that is not in the "Top 5" or references a line that is not either the title of said song or the first line of the refrain, that he is a fraud. Be what you are STUART, because you're act isn't fooling anybody, and you come off like an idiot. Tell me the scores, don't "break me off a little sumpin, sumpin. Give me information, don't "bust out with the 411". More than anything STUART, be authentic, because if anybody thinks you're for real, "They don't know and they better ax someone". Game rules, gimmicks suck, and STUART is not the "Fresh Prince of ESPN"John the Chowd
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MAXdaAXEjd
a guy cant be an oreo, and a playa at the same time?
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Chris Harris wrote in message <7gb3i4$i47$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
kidmir...@my-dejanews.com
maxda...@aol.com (MAXdaAXEjd) wrote:
> racist...
> a guy cant be an oreo, and a playa at the same time?
Isn't there a Stuart Scott that does SportsCenter on ESPN???
Anybody here watch Sportscenter??
David
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>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>The following fax was the "Huge Fax of the Day" on the Jim Rome show for =
>1/15/97. I couldn't have said it any better myself.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, you could've. Post in standard text next time.
Doug
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Clctrs Box
>In article <19990430005256...@ng03.aol.com>,
> maxda...@aol.com (MAXdaAXEjd) wrote:
>> racist...
>> a guy cant be an oreo, and a playa at the same time?
>
>Isn't there a Stuart Scott that does SportsCenter on ESPN???
>
>Anybody here watch Sportscenter??
We're dealing with a real brain surgeon here.
revolver
Shane, I just checked out your webpage.
Kudos to you on a well done site!
You put a lot of work into the "by the box" section.
I for one, enjoy reading this kind of stuff.
Keep up the great work,
Steve
Oh yeah, Stuart Scott Sucks. (actually, I kind of like him...as stupid as he
may be)
;-)
BOO-YEAH!!!
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Shane Archer wrote in message <372bb00e....@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:56:59 -0500, "revolver"
><nospam....@ionet.net> wrote:
>
>>Sure, I know...newsgroups were not originally set up for HTML use.
>>Guess what...that was 20 years ago...unless you are connected slower than
>>14.4bps to the internet, there is no need for a "text-based" newsreader.
We
>>are about to go into a new millenium and your newsreader can't decode
HTML,
>>and you think you have the best one there is.
>
>Actually there IS a need for a text-based newsreader -- for those
>systems that aren't GUI-based (and yes, they are out there, and are in
>fact plentiful). Since NN operates in a text-only environment there
>really isn't any way for it to do HTML (I think it displays something
>like "[HTML]" in place of a block of HTML.
>
>But regardless, the BEST newsreader out there is, hands down, Forte
>Agent. Netscape or Microsoft COULD make a newsreader better than
>Agent if they didn't have the restriction of designing something that
>can be effectively operated by idiots (ex: Windows is FAR from the
>best OS out there, just one of the easier ones to use). But if it
>couldn't be operated by idiots, it wouldn't go into widespread use
>(ex: Windows again. haha).
>
>That isn't to say that I don't think the original poster made a stupid
>comment. Yes, I too prefer non-HTML messages but if somebody is using
>a reader that generates HTML, that's their problem. Nobody is forcing
>you to read their messages. If you bitch and moan about it, you must
>REALLY want to read their message, so they should take it as a
>complement : )
>
>Wow, this is way off topic. Oops. Oh yea, Stuart Scott sucks! There
>we go, back on topic.
>
>
>Shane
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Jeff Bullingham
quality sports broadcasting?! The guy is about as authentic and genuine
as Bill Clinton and is completely full of himself to boot. Give me
Stuart Scott and his catchphrases any day.
PS That underhanded comment about Scott's eye is nasty, rude, and
tasteless. Knowing Rome, he probably thought it was hilarious. I
wonder if Romie would open that big mouth of his if Stuart was standing
next to him (he's so stupid he just might, I remember when Jim Everett
wiped the floor with Rome over those endless "Chris Everett" jokes years
ago.). What an ass.
Shane Archer
kidmir...@my-dejanews.com
> >> a guy cant be an oreo, and a playa at the same time?
> >
> >Isn't there a Stuart Scott that does SportsCenter on ESPN???
> >
> >Anybody here watch Sportscenter??
>
> We're dealing with a real brain surgeon here.
Actually I am just mess with people's minds. Does that make me a Brain
Surgeon???
Bryant8NBA
>
>> >> a guy cant be an oreo, and a playa at the same time?
>> >
>> >Isn't there a Stuart Scott that does SportsCenter on ESPN???
>> >
>> >Anybody here watch Sportscenter??
>>
>> We're dealing with a real brain surgeon here.
>
>
>Actually I am just mess with people's minds.
Could you please translate the above sentence?
A bit of advice for you: Take out whatever it is that is blocking the air from
exiting the tailpipe of your car.
>Does that make me a Brain
>Surgeon???
If it makes you feel better, yes.
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> The guy is about as authentic and genuine
> as Bill Clinton and is completely full of himself to boot.
This from the same guy who admitted to this very NG that he puts "PSA 10?"
in all his eBay auctions.
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Jeff Bullingham
Thanks for bringing up that topic AGAIN. As for using "PSA 10?" in
"all" my auctions, I have used it a grand total of 4 times in over two
years on Ebay (and not once since the alleged "debate"). I join Mark
Murphy among thousands of other ebay sellers in occasionally doing so.
Is he a "dishonest jerk" too? While you may find it annoying, it hardly
speaks to my overall character (except I guess if you're a self
righteous 20 something year old who knows as much about ethics as (fill
in the blank)). If you judge people based on things like that, but
won't judge Rome (a grown, successful adult) as being an ass for the
things he says, that's your problem quite frankly.
I have been with the same girl for 5 years, I don't smoke, drink or
do drugs, I graduated from USC (one of the top universities in the
country), and am pretty well read/inforrmed. I am very shy and
honestly wouldn't harm a fly. I honor the principles/values I believe
in and do the best I can to "do the right thing" , but don't self
righteously judge people for living their lives a different way. I've
"done my best to live the right way, I get up every morning and go to
work each day". I'm a person with real feelings, not just a blip on a
computer screen to take crap from you or anyone else (because you're
convinced the world is like pro wrestling/sports radio and it's "cool"
to act like a pompous know it all and talk "smack"). So stop treating
me (and others I've noted lately) like such a jerk. I don't disrespect
you, why do you do it to me?
Bryant8NBA
>Murphy among thousands of other ebay sellers in occasionally doing so.
>Is he a "dishonest jerk" too?
Please don't interpret this as adding feul to an old fire, but, yes, Mark
Murphy is a dishonest jerk.
He sold a searched box of 84 Topps football to a friend of mine. Not a
single card in the box listed. When confronted about it, his only response was,
"It came from a sealed case, I can show you the invoice."
Furthermore, while I'm no longer calling you any names because our
disagreements were months ago and your auctions with such descriptions were
few, the "he did it, so I can do it" argument is very weak.
Andrew Pak
: I graduated from USC (one of the top universities in the
: country), and am pretty well read/inforrmed.
grads) consider USC to be one of the top universities in the country. 8-)
(just kidding, Jeff...)
Chris Harris
> Chris,
>
> Thanks for bringing up that topic AGAIN. As for using "PSA 10?" in
> "all" my auctions, I have used it a grand total of 4 times in over two
> Murphy among thousands of other ebay sellers in occasionally doing so.
> Is he a "dishonest jerk" too?
In one word, yeah. Anyone who lies about the product they sell is a
"dishonest jerk." If Mark Murphy puts "PSA 10???" (and if anyone has any
evidence that says that he does, I'd like to see it) in his eBay auctions,
then "dishonest jerk" would be accurate.
BTW, I happened to run in to Mr. Murphy last weekend at the show in Ft.
Washington. He was remarkably candid when he admitted to me that he had
purchased items from dealers in the past that he had suspected were
searched, but nonetheless sold them to others as "unsearched." Technically
this is correct, as Murphy did not physically search the packs. But at the
very least, he should have told his customers -- and in retrospect even he
admits his mistake -- of his suspicions. Unethical, yeah. Fraudulent,
no. I still think that Mark Murphy is far and away one of the more honest
dealers out there. Personally, I haven't had a problem with any of the
items I bought from him in the past.
> While you may find it annoying, it hardly
> speaks to my overall character (except I guess if you're a self
> righteous 20 something year old who knows as much about ethics as (fill
> in the blank)).
Let me get this straight. You admitted to this everyone newsgroup that you
put "PSA 10???" in one of your eBay auctions. And (correct me if I'm wrong)
you said that the reason why, is because auctions with "PSA 10???" in the
description tend to sell for more money. Yet, this "hardly speaks to (your)
overall character." Am I missing something here?
> If you judge people based on things like that, but
> won't judge Rome (a grown, successful adult) as being an ass for the
> things he says, that's your problem quite frankly.
Yes, Jim Rome does rub people the wrong way. To you, he's a pompus,
self-righteous jackass. To me, Jim Rome is a beacon of truth in a media
that is full of hosts who, as Jim Rome would say, are afraid to "have a take
and not suck." You can say what you want about him, but one thing that Jim
Rome has that Stuart Scott, the Sports Babe, and most local sports-talk
hosts (like the brown nosers on WIP here in Philly) doesn't is balls. He's
not afraid to ask the tough questions and put people on the spot. In fact,
if you's listen to Rome on a regular basis, you'll discover that he's
probably one of the best interviewers (regardless of genre) in the
electronic media today.
> I have been with the same girl for 5 years, I don't smoke, drink or
> do drugs, I graduated from USC (one of the top universities in the
> country), and am pretty well read/inforrmed.
FWIW, I got accepted to USC. Too far away and too expensive though.
> I am very shy and
> honestly wouldn't harm a fly. I honor the principles/values I believe
> in and do the best I can to "do the right thing" , but don't self
> righteously judge people for living their lives a different way.
But it's OK for you to call me a "self righteous 20 something year old who
knows as much about ethics as (fill
in the blank)," without once ever dealing with me personally. Whatever!
> "done my best to live the right way, I get up every morning and go to
> work each day". I'm a person with real feelings, not just a blip on a
> computer screen to take crap from you or anyone else (because you're
> convinced the world is like pro wrestling/sports radio and it's "cool"
> to act like a pompous know it all and talk "smack").
> So stop treating
> me (and others I've noted lately) like such a jerk.
Who? Name names! The only people that I "go after" are crooks, frauds,
sellouts, and spammers. If and when I happen to have a disagreement with
someone, I TRY to make a debate in a thoughtful manner (like I'm attempting
to do now). I go out of my way to avoid the childish "name calling" that
have plagued this, and other NGs.
> I don't disrespect
> you, why do you do it to me?
Because I have zero tolerance for frauds and scams in this hobby. I have
zero tolerance for people who blatantly misrepresent items they have for
sale (i.e. "PSA 10???") just because it makes them a few extra bucks. I
realize that, although you may no longer use those magic words in your eBay
auctions, I have a philosphy of "once a fraud, always a fraud."
Dane Sei Muramoto
: Obviously not well-informed enough to know that few people (other than USC
: grads) consider USC to be one of the top universities in the country. 8-)
University of Second Choice? University of Spoiled Children?
heh heh
Wait... I go to UHM... that spells "uhm" -- the response to the following
question, when posed to various members of the student body:
"Why'd you choose to go to school at UH?"
VD21988
self-righteous jackass >>
HEY, that was on Home Improvement tonight. TV does have an influence in our
lives!
Too bad the show is gone after this season.
First MJ, then Gretzky, then Elway, now the Tool Man.
Who's next? (Hopefully Tim Floyd!)
Just had to put the (MUST READ) in the subject to get more press.
Jeff Bullingham
You a Bruin or something? ;)
Jeff Bullingham
"In one word, yeah. Anyone who lies about the product they sell is a
"dishonest jerk.""
Would you care to explain the "lie" in saying you believe your card
is of PSA (fill in the blank) quality. The lie only occurs if you
overgrade your card and you don't need to use PSA standards to do that.
"If Mark Murphy puts "PSA 10???" (and if anyone has any evidence that
says that he does, I'd like to see it) in his eBay auctions, then
"dishonest jerk" would be accurate."
Check his old auctions. I's rare (and he hardly ever does it anymore),
but he does stick PSA in the title occasionally.
"BTW, I happened to run in to Mr. Murphy last weekend at the show in Ft.
Washington. He was remarkably candid when he admitted to me that he had
purchased items from dealers in the past that he had suspected were
searched, but nonetheless sold them to others as "unsearched."
Technically this is correct, as Murphy did not physically search the
packs. But at the very least, he should have told his customers -- and
in retrospect even he admits his mistake -- of his suspicions.
Unethical, yeah. Fraudulent, no. I still think that Mark Murphy is far
and away one of the more honest dealers out there. Personally, I haven't
had a problem with any of the items I bought from him in the past. "
If this is true, i find it disturbing. If you can't trust Mark
Mrphy'sstuff, whatcan you trust?
"Let me get this straight. You admitted to this everyone newsgroup that
you put "PSA 10???" in one of your eBay auctions. And (correct me if I'm
wrong) you said that the reason why, is because auctions with "PSA
10???" in the description tend to sell for more money. Yet, this "hardly
speaks to (your) overall character." Am I missing something here?"
Apparently. Have you ever done anything for money? I'm not
sacrificing a prinipal of mine, but of your's. If it was something I
really believed in (or against), no amount of money could persuade me.
Your welcome to hold yourself to your wn subjective values, but why
moralize and preach to me over something so minor.
"Yes, Jim Rome does rub people the wrong way. To you, he's a pompus,
self-righteous jackass. To me, Jim Rome is a beacon of truth in a media
that is full of hosts who, as Jim Rome would say, are afraid to "have a
take and not suck." You can say what you want about him, but one thing
that Jim Rome has that Stuart Scott, the Sports Babe, and most local
sports-talk hosts (like the brown nosers on WIP here in Philly) doesn't
is balls. He's not afraid to ask the tough questions and put people on
the spot. In fact, if you's listen to Rome on a regular basis, you'll
discover that he's probably one of the best interviewers (regardless of
genre) in the electronic media today. "
There's a fine line between investigative, opionative, quality
journalism and "smack". Rome crosses the line every other day.
"But it's OK for you to call me a "self righteous 20 something year old
who knows as much about ethics as (fill in the blank)," without once
ever dealing with me personally. Whatever!"
But you are being self righteous. Your judging me AS A PERSON because I
don't adhere to even this most inconsequential value o yours. How else
would you describe it. And I mention your age because it brings into
question your experience in the world to judge other people's every
value.
"Who? Name names! The only people that I "go after" are crooks, frauds,
sellouts, and spammers."
How about that guy just yesterday who requested you not post in HTML
(which is generally frowned upon in mostng's except for this one
apparently) and you responded go get a new ISP!
"Because I have zero tolerance for frauds and scams in this hobby. I
have zero tolerance for people who blatantly misrepresent items they
have for sale (i.e. "PSA 10???") just because it makes them a few extra
bucks. I realize that, although you may no longer use those magic words
in your eBay auctions, I have a philosphy of "once a fraud, always a
fraud.""
Please. If you can fit putting PSA ? in with ANY definition of the word
fraud I'd like to see it. Fraud involves deception and
misrepresentation. Stating an item IN YOUR OPINION could grade out as
such and such by PSA is not deceptive it's AN OPINION (hopefully based
on knowledge of PSA's criteria/standards for certain grades). THAT IS
NOT FRAUD! Why can't you see that? Why are you so judgemental?
Bryant8NBA
>If this is true, i find it disturbing. If you can't trust Mark
>Mrphy'sstuff, whatcan you trust?
That's exactly how I feel now. Has anyone out there ever dealt with Boca Cards?
They advertise in Tuff Stuff and SCD. Their prices are high, but their
inventory is impressive.
Looking for a new 'older' wax supplier now, given recent relevations.
Joe Tocco
Steve Glaze of Pack Attack Alaska. He has an "all 1950's" unopened pack auction
within a couple weeks, and I've been extremely happy with his service and his
product in the past. A good portion of my vintage pack knowledge comes from
talking with Steve.
Joe
Andrew Pak
: Andy,
: You a Bruin or something? ;)
Nope...please don't insult me...Golden Bear.
Regardless, I've never seen USC listed in any of the Top Schools in the
country lists that get published every year (although they do have an
excellent Dental School and probably the best film school).
Andy Pak
http://www.azww.com/apak/auction.shtml
Jeff Bullingham
While USC is not a top ten school (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc), it
has consistently ranked in the top 25-50 schools in the country in every
list I've ever seen. It's a "first tier" school and highly
competitive. At any rate, the only point I was making was only that I'm
not an uneducated idiot.
-Jeff
Chris Harris
Jeff Bullingham <JBull...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13196-37...@newsd-73.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Chris wrote....
>
>> "If Mark Murphy puts "PSA 10???" (and if anyone has any evidence that
>>says that he does, I'd like to see it) in his eBay auctions, then
>> "dishonest jerk" would be accurate."
>
> Check his old auctions. I's rare (and he hardly ever does it anymore),
> but he does stick PSA in the title occasionally.
>
I'll believe it when I believe it. I was unaware that Mr. Murphy even used
eBay to sell his cards. Does anyone out there even know his eBay ID?
>> "Let me get this straight. You admitted to this everyone newsgroup that
>> you put "PSA 10???" in one of your eBay auctions. And (correct me if I'm
>> wrong) you said that the reason why, is because auctions with "PSA
>> 10???" in the description tend to sell for more money. Yet, this "hardly
>> speaks to (your) overall character." Am I missing something here?"
>
> Apparently. Have you ever done anything for money?
Yeah, I just got done pimping myself out to the United States Air Force for
the last four years, and I
admit, I did it for the money (and the college benefits too). So what's
your point?
> I'm not sacrificing a prinipal {sic} of mine, but of your's. If it was
something I
> really believed in (or against), no amount of money could persuade me.
> Your welcome to hold yourself to your wn {sic} subjective values, but why
> moralize and preach to me over something so minor.
>
Because it's not just something so minor, and it's not just my "wn {sic}
subjective values." I'm pretty sure that if you were to take a poll of all
the regulars on this NG, you'll see that my "wn {sic} subjective values" ARE
the values of the vast majority. Remember a few months ago when you first
disclosed to this NG that you put "PSA ???" in your eBay auctions (the
"Collusion in the Hobby" thread), and that you did it for the extra money it
brought in? Remember when poster, after poster on this very NG called you
an "asshole," "scammer," "cheat," etc.?
>> "Yes, Jim Rome does rub people the wrong way. To you, he's a pompus,
>> self-righteous jackass. To me, Jim Rome is a beacon of truth in a media
>> that is full of hosts who, as Jim Rome would say, are afraid to "have a
>> take and not suck." You can say what you want about him, but one thing
>> that Jim Rome has that Stuart Scott, the Sports Babe, and most local
>> sports-talk hosts (like the brown nosers on WIP here in Philly) doesn't
>> is balls. He's not afraid to ask the tough questions and put people on
>> the spot. In fact, if you's listen to Rome on a regular basis, you'll
>> discover that he's probably one of the best interviewers (regardless of
>> genre) in the electronic media today. "
>
> There's a fine line between investigative, opionative {sic}, quality
> journalism and "smack". Rome crosses the line every other day.
Jim Rome is not a journalist, and nor does he claim to be. He's just a guy
who sits behind a desk who tells his listeners what he thinks. And that's
what makes him so damn entertaining.
>> "But it's OK for you to call me a "self righteous 20 something year old
>> who knows as much about ethics as (fill in the blank)," without once
>> ever dealing with me personally. Whatever!"
>
> But you are being self righteous. Your judging me AS A PERSON because I
> don't adhere to even this most inconsequential value o {sic} yours. How
else
> would you describe it. And I mention your age because it brings into
> question your experience in the world to judge other people's every
> value.
Age is only a number.
>> "Who? Name names! The only people that I "go after" are crooks, frauds,
>> sellouts, and spammers."
>
> How about that guy just yesterday who requested you not post in HTML
> (which is generally frowned upon in most ng's except for this one
> apparently) and you responded go get a new ISP!
First of all, if you go back and actually read that thread (about a week
ago), I advised Doug Norris to get a new newsreader, not a new ISP. Mr.
Norris said that his newsreader was supposedly superior to mine, despite the
fact that it
doesn't read HTML (ha! some newsreader!). I never advised him to, as you
say, "...go get a new
ISP!" just a new newsreader. Details, details, details.
>
>> "Because I have zero tolerance for frauds and scams in this hobby. I
>> have zero tolerance for people who blatantly misrepresent items they
>> have for sale (i.e. "PSA 10???") just because it makes them a few extra
>> bucks. I realize that, although you may no longer use those magic words
>> in your eBay auctions, I have a philosphy of "once a fraud, always a
>> fraud.""
>
> Please. If you can fit putting PSA ? in with ANY definition of the word
> fraud I'd like to see it.
OK then, I'll take the Pepsi challenge. Read on.
> Fraud involves deception and
> misrepresentation.
How's this for an example, putting the phrase "PSA ???" in an eBay auction
for a card that is unslabbed? Sounds like fraud to me!
> Stating an item IN YOUR OPINION could grade out as
> such and such by PSA is not deceptive it's AN OPINION (hopefully based
> on knowledge of PSA's criteria/standards for certain grades). THAT IS
> NOT FRAUD! Why can't you see that? Why are you so judgemental?
>
You don't get it do you? Let me state this for THE LAST TIME. Hopefully,
you'll get it and I won't have to keep repeating myself. An auctioneer who
puts "PSA" (question marks or not) in their auction description is stating
that their card IS PROFESSIONALLY GRADED. Period, end of discussion. <font
= "sarcasm"> This is a recording. </font>
OBTW, did you ever sell Bryant8NBA that Kobe Bryant Chrome RC for $60? Just
curious.
--
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The former Answer Man
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"People who put 'PSA 10?' in eBay titles are assholes."
-- Bryant8NBA
Paul Jensen
Paul--The first two letters of my e-mail address are reversed.
Chris Harris <harris3...@worldnet.att.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Bullingham
used eBay to sell his cards. Does anyone out there even know his eBay
ID? "
"Yeah, I just got done pimping myself out to the United States Air Force
for the last four years, and I admit, I did it for the money (and the
college benefits too). So what's
your point?"
How would you like to be called names for that by total strangers?
"Because it's not just something so minor,"
An issue over a piece of cardboard is not minor?! Are you aware of
Kosovo?
"and it's not just my "wn {sic} subjective values." I'm pretty sure that
if you were to take a poll of all the regulars on this NG, you'll see
that my "wn {sic} subjective values" ARE the values of the vast
majority"
Apologies for my webtv keyboard. Typos are a constant problem unless
you aim the thing just right. The values of the "majority" of Ebay users
seems to be the opposite of here. So what's YOUR point?
Btw, ever sent a card into get graded for profit? I know Joey has. I
haven't. Where are your values? Ripping people off on 90's cards when
we all know the PSA market will crash. Where's your conscience? (P.S.
I wouldn't actually be so self righteous as to say this to you, but
imagine if people did, how would you feel?)
"Remember a few months ago when you first disclosed to this NG that you
put "PSA ???" in your eBay auctions (the "Collusion in the Hobby"
thread), and that you did it for the extra money it brought in? Remember
when poster, after poster on this very NG called you an "asshole,"
"scammer," "cheat," etc.?"
Plenty of posters defended me in the "discussion" (both publically and
privately) as well.
"OK then, I'll take the Pepsi challenge. Read on.
"Fraud involves deception and
misrepresentation."
"How's this for an example, putting the phrase "PSA ???" in an eBay
auction for a card that is unslabbed? Sounds like fraud to me!"
Under what definition? You didn't even try. You can't or you don't
understand what the word fraud means. Try this argument in the court of
law and you be laughed out of the courtroom.
I said....
"Stating an item IN YOUR OPINION could grade out as such and such by PSA
is not deceptive it's AN OPINION (hopefully based on knowledge of PSA's
criteria/standards for certain grades). THAT IS NOT FRAUD! Why can't you
see that? Why are you so judgemental? "
Which Chris ignored and responded....
"You don't get it do you? Let me state this for THE LAST TIME.
Hopefully, you'll get it and I won't have to keep repeating myself. An
auctioneer who puts "PSA" (question marks or not) in their auction
description is stating that their card IS PROFESSIONALLY GRADED. Period,
end of discussion."
Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t (or sheer stubborness to see the truth).
Anyone who can defend this statement logically, please try.
Jeff Bullingham
tolerance" policy for alleged "PSA 10??? frauds" is more like 1 percent
or something.......
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=94065852
Chris Harris
> Btw, check out this link to an item Chris bid on (I guess that "zero
> tolerance" policy for alleged "PSA 10??? frauds" is more like 1 percent
> or something.......
>
card. I made the bid on the behalf of a friend who does not have a computer
and was interested in this item. I can still say with confidence, that I
have not knowingly placed bids on items that are as fraudulently labeled as
this one is (PSA?). Besides, I wouldn't bid $20 on this card!
--
Chris Harris
The former Answer Man
Stale Gum -- Current as of Apr. 21
http://members.xoom.com/StaleGum/home.htm
"People who put 'PSA 10?' in eBay titles are assholes."
Chris Harris
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>> "I'll believe it when I believe it. I was unaware that Mr. Murphy even
>> used eBay to sell his cards. Does anyone out there even know his eBay
>> ID? "
I was asking for his eBay ID, not his web address. Everyone knows what his
website's URL is, not everyone knows what his eBay ID is. Besides, I was
just looking at his page and I don't recall seeing the magic words (PSA ???)
to describe any of his cards.
>>"Yeah, I just got done pimping myself out to the United States Air Force
>>for the last four years, and I admit, I did it for the money (and the
>>college benefits too). So what's
>>your point?"
> How would you like to be called names for that by total strangers?
>"Because it's not just something so minor,"
> An issue over a piece of cardboard is not minor?! Are you aware of
> Kosovo?
OK, OK, explain this nugget of wisdom. What the hell does Kosovo have to do
with trading cards? Do you mean to tell me that the war in Kosovo is being
fought over BASEBALL CARDS?!? Get back to me on this one after you're done
cleaning up the bong water.
>> "and it's not just my "wn {sic} subjective values." I'm pretty sure that
>> if you were to take a poll of all the regulars on this NG, you'll see
>> that my "wn {sic} subjective values" ARE the values of the vast
>> majority"
>Apologies for my webtv keyboard. Typos are a constant problem unless
>you aim the thing just right.
Figures, a Web TV user! Get a real computer, will ya!.
>The values of the "majority" of Ebay users
>seems to be the opposite of here. So what's YOUR point?
>Btw, ever sent a card into get graded for profit?
Jumping to conclusions again, I see. No, I have no need to send my card to
total strangers so they can tell me what condition my cards are in. I can
do that myself thank you very much, and I don't have to pay $10, $20, $50,
etc. for the "privlige." I have never, ever, sent a card to a slabber, and
have no intention to do so.
>I know Joey has. I haven't. Where are your values? Ripping people off on
90's cards when
>we all know the PSA market will crash.
Congratulations! That's first intelligent take that you've had in this
thread.
>Where's your conscience? (P.S.
>I wouldn't actually be so self righteous as to say this to you, but
>imagine if people did, how would you feel?)
WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR CONSCIENCE? How can you sleep at night knowing full
well that you've perpertrated fraud? Please do us all a favor, and don't
lecture to me on where my conscience is. Thank you.
>>"Remember a few months ago when you first disclosed to this NG that you
>>put "PSA ???" in your eBay auctions (the "Collusion in the Hobby"
>>thread), and that you did it for the extra money it brought in? Remember
>>when poster, after poster on this very NG called you an "asshole,"
>>"scammer," "cheat," etc.?"
>Plenty of posters defended me in the "discussion" (both publically {sic}
and
>privately) as well.
Who then? Who defended you? Name names! I'd suggest that you do a
dejanews search to refresh your memory. In fact, I'll make it a little
easier for you and point you to the thread:
http://x15.dejanews.com/=gh/[ST_rn=ap,ST_chan=rec]/viewthread.xp?AN=43296436
4&search=thread&svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=926219761.1372454959&HIT_CON
TEXT=926219761.1372454959&HIT_NUM=41&recnum=%3c2834-36...@newsd-224.ia
p.bryant.webtv.net%3e%231/1&frpage=getdoc.xp&back=clarinet
I challenge you to find three people in that entire thread (not including
yourself) who supported you. In fact, if you can find three regular
r.c.c.d. posters who had your back, I'll publically apologize to you and
fly out to wherever you live and physically kiss your ass. Now, I know this
sounds a little extreme; but, should you actually take me up on this offer
(and if you really are as smart as you claim, you won't), it is a challenge
that I can not possibly lose.
>>"OK then, I'll take the Pepsi challenge. Read on.
>>>"Fraud involves deception and
>>>misrepresentation."
>>"How's this for an example, putting the phrase "PSA ???" in an eBay
>>auction for a card that is unslabbed? Sounds like fraud to me!"
>Under what definition?
How about this definiton. According to the "Random House Webster's College
Dictionary," Random House, Inc., 1991.
"FRAUD (frod) n. Deceit or trickery perpertrated for profit or to gain some
unfair or dishonest advantage"
The use of "PSA ???" to describe a card that is not professionally graded
fits the above definition to a T.
>You didn't even try. You can't or you don't understand what the word fraud
means. Try this argument in the court of law and you be laughed out of the
courtroom.
Yawn! Wake me up when you're done your little tirade.
>I said....
>>>"Stating an item IN YOUR OPINION could grade out as such and such by PSA
>>>is not deceptive it's AN OPINION (hopefully based on knowledge of PSA's
>>>criteria/standards for certain grades). THAT IS NOT FRAUD! Why can't you
>>>see that? Why are you so judgemental? "
>Which Chris ignored and responded....
>>"You don't get it do you? Let me state this for THE LAST TIME.
>>Hopefully, you'll get it and I won't have to keep repeating myself. An
>>auctioneer who puts "PSA" (question marks or not) in their auction
>>description is stating that their card IS PROFESSIONALLY GRADED. Period,
>>end of discussion."
>Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t (or sheer stubborness to see the truth).
>Anyone who can defend this statement logically, please try.
I'm not even going to justify giving this red herring a response. Doing so
would be a complete waste of my time and a waste of usenet's resources.
--
Chris Harris
The former Answer Man
Stale Gum -- Current as of Apr. 21
http://members.xoom.com/StaleGum/home.htm
"People who put 'PSA 10?' in eBay titles are assholes."
Jeff Bullingham
"I was asking for his eBay ID, not his web address. Everyone knows what
his website's URL is, not everyone knows what his eBay ID is."
That is his ebay user id Harris!
"Besides, I was just looking at his page and I don't recall seeing the
magic words (PSA ???) to describe any of his cards."
He doesn't sell single non-graded cards often. He does occasionally
stick those three infamous letters in his titles when selling
cases/boxes though, like this one....
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=93739860
"OK, OK, explain this nugget of wisdom. What the hell does Kosovo have
to do with trading cards? Do you mean to tell me that the war in Kosovo
is being fought over BASEBALL CARDS?!? Get back to me on this one after
you're done cleaning up the bong water.
Jesus, mary mother of god.....The point was Harris that you denied it
when I said this was a minor issue. Go back and read your response.
Anytime we are discussing issues about sportscards, it's minor except
maybe actual fraud (pack searching, collusion, outright theft, etc.).
"Figures, a Web TV user! Get a real computer, will ya!. "
When you send me the $1500.00, gladly.
"WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR CONSCIENCE? How can you sleep at night knowing
full well that you've perpertrated fraud? Please do us all a favor, and
don't lecture to me on where my conscience is."
Maybe because I know what fraud is and I've never perpetrated it! My
customers were happy. Listen, Chris, if you want to make up your own
definition of fraud go ahead, but there's no hope of discussing the
issue if you refuse to accept that this is NOT FRAUD UNDER ANY
DEFINITION OF THE WORD! You can't equate the two and just keeping on
repeating that it is doesn't make it so. Want to call me an assh*le
because I did it a couple times, fine, I think you're being self
righteous, but whatever. With that said, NO ONE in their right mind is
going to agree with you that stating a card is of PSA quality and IN
YOUR OPINION could grade a (fill in the blank), is fraud. No one.
Notta. End of story.
Jeff Bullingham
privately and offered their support. This isn't 3rd grade. They were
there and the people might surprise you. As for public defenders, with
the treatment I was getting who was going to admit to feeling the same
way I did on the board?! The only poster I remember being *extremely*
supportive publically (that's really not the correct spelling???) in
that particualar thread was "Anonymous" (and his posts were not archived
by dejanews apparently). You might note that there weren't too many
"regulars" on the otherside either. Secondly, that thread spawned a few
others where a couple of "regulars" if nothing else, felt I was being
treated way too harshly/unfairly which you can check out for yourself.
PSS One more time...what sort of "trickery" or "deceipt" is involved by
stating that IN YOUR OPINION a card is of PSA such and such quality?
How is this an attempt to fool anyone into believing a card is already
graded?
Bryant8NBA
>
> When you send me the $1500.00, gladly.
Hey, that's just 300 more "PSA 10?" auctions at an extra $5 each, right?
:o)
Sorry...just couldn't resist.
Chris Harris
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> P.S. Chris I'm not going to "name names" of people who emailed me
> privately and offered their support. This isn't 3rd grade. They were
> there and the people might surprise you.
OK then, who were they? Put your money where your mouth is. If you can
state exactly who e-mailed you and "offered their support," I'll shut up.
> As for public defenders, with
> the treatment I was getting who was going to admit to feeling the same
> way I did on the board?! The only poster I remember being *extremely*
> supportive publically (that's really not the correct spelling???) in
> that particualar thread was "Anonymous" (and his posts were not archived
> by dejanews apparently).
I wouldn't exactly call Mr. Anonymous an "r.c.c.d. regular."
> You might note that there weren't too many
> "regulars" on the otherside either.
Other than Bryant8NBA, Glenn Boyer, Michael Willency, and of course myself,
you're right. There really weren't all that many.
> Secondly, that thread spawned a few
> others where a couple of "regulars" if nothing else, felt I was being
> treated way too harshly/unfairly which you can check out for yourself.
>
Still looking. I'll let you know if I ever find one.
> PSS One more time...what sort of "trickery" or "deceipt" is involved by
> stating that IN YOUR OPINION a card is of PSA such and such quality?
> How is this an attempt to fool anyone into believing a card is already
> graded?
(sigh) One last time, using the letters "PSA" to describe a card that is
not professionally graded IS false advertising. How on earth can you not
see that?
Chris Harris
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> Chris wrote.....
>> "Besides, I was just looking at his page and I don't recall seeing the
>> magic words (PSA ???) to describe any of his cards."
>
> He doesn't sell single non-graded cards often. He does occasionally
> stick those three infamous letters in his titles when selling
> cases/boxes though, like this one....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=93739860
>
After checking out the aforementioned auction, I've come to the conclusion
that I will never buy anything from Mark Murphy again. Sorry, but I have my
princples.
>> "OK, OK, explain this nugget of wisdom. What the hell does Kosovo have
>> to do with trading cards? Do you mean to tell me that the war in Kosovo
>> is being fought over BASEBALL CARDS?!? Get back to me on this one after
>> you're done cleaning up the bong water.
>
> Jesus, mary mother of god.....The point was Harris that you denied it
> when I said this was a minor issue. Go back and read your response.
> Anytime we are discussing issues about sportscards, it's minor except
> maybe actual fraud (pack searching, collusion, outright theft, etc.).
>
You can add to that list false advertising (i.e. "PSA ???") as well.
>> "Figures, a Web TV user! Get a real computer, will ya!. "
>
> When you send me the $1500.00, gladly.
>
Why don't you put up some more "PSA ???" cards on eBay, Bullingham? I'm
pretty sure you'll be able to raise enough jack to get a real computer in no
time!
>> "WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR CONSCIENCE? How can you sleep at night knowing
>> full well that you've perpertrated fraud? Please do us all a favor, and
>> don't lecture to me on where my conscience is."
>
> Maybe because I know what fraud is and I've never perpetrated it!
Lie.
> My customers were happy.
P. T. Barnum was right. There are suckers born every minute.
> Listen, Chris, if you want to make up your own
> definition of fraud go ahead,
It's not MY definiton of fraud, per se. It's a definition that I found in a
dictionary. Deal with it!
> but there's no hope of discussing the
> issue if you refuse to accept that this is NOT FRAUD UNDER ANY
> DEFINITION OF THE WORD!
Other than the one I quoted eariler in this thread.
>You can't equate the two and just keeping on
> repeating that it is doesn't make it so.
> Want to call me an assh*le
> because I did it a couple times, fine, I think you're being self
> righteous, but whatever.
> With that said, NO ONE in their right mind is
> going to agree with you that stating a card is of PSA quality and IN
> YOUR OPINION could grade a (fill in the blank), is fraud. No one.
> Notta. End of story.
Nope, this story ain't over. Not yet. Once again, let me state that ANY
CARD can be of "PSA quality." Remember that torn-to-shreds 89 UD Griffey RC
that I mentioned earlier in this thread? Yeah, that one. Take any card, in
any condition, send it in to PSA and it WILL come back to you in one of
those neato slabs. Therefore that 89UD Griffey, or any of the millions and
millions of trading cards in circulation, is of "PSA quality." Then, as
now, you're whole argument is without merit.
And now for something completely different. As far as this post goes, it's
kind of pointless to engage in a flame war with someone who lacks the mental
capacity to realize you've gotten the better of them. So as far as I'm
concerned, this thread is over. Have a nice life Jeff.
Thomas
Chris Harris wrote:
> As far as this post goes, it's
> kind of pointless to engage in a flame war with someone who lacks the mental
> capacity to realize you've gotten the better of them. So as far as I'm
> concerned, this thread is over. Have a nice life Jeff.
I've skipped the whole thread, as I have been in more than enough flame wars
over the years, and I see no point in jumping in someone else's...
I assume that you are arguing about someone using "PSA???" in their auction
title, and I have to say that I find that annoying, but there are far more
serious injustices being perpetrated. This argument has been done to death over
and over and over, and IIRC, it has been done over and over by the two of you to
the point where people were threatening legal action. What's the point? Is one
of you going to say something that will convince the other one that you have
been right all along? Not likely.
Anyway, the purpose of this post is not to light into you two, as I am sure you
have enjoyed your flame war. My purpose was to congratluate Chris on the
hilarious line quoted above.
I hope you wont mind if I use it some time... :)
-Thomas
Jeff Bullingham
"Lacks the mental capacity to know you've got the better of them"?!
Nice ad homieum attack to add to you're apparently all too limited
repitoire to defend your position. I asked you five times to find a
definition that you could link the word fraud to putting PSA ? in your
title. Not once did you do this. The definition you gave didn't do
this. You just threw out a definition, said they were the same, didn't
provide any explanation as to how/why, and threw up your arms in disgust
when I didn't agree. You'd be laughed out of any courtrom for this
crap you've tried to present as evidence these past few days to back
your tenuous, self righteous OPINION. You're wrong Chris. Plain and
simple. At any rate, this issue is all much to do about nothing and
I've grown as tired of it as you should have. Please don't bring it up
again. -Jeff
P.S. 4 people huh? Hot damn you could win a family squabble with that
type of mass support. Doesn't comparre to the hundreds (thousands?) of
ebay sellers who have used or do use PSA ? in their titles sometimes,
but hell, if it's the rccd "regulars" then you got to figure the support
of 4 is equal to like 4 million in dog years or something like that....
Doug Norris
>> You might note that there weren't too many
>> "regulars" on the otherside either.
>Other than Bryant8NBA, Glenn Boyer, Michael Willency, and of course myself,
>you're right. There really weren't all that many.
And me - I'm at least a quasi-regular. And thank you, Chris, for not
posting in HTML - it helps me a lot.
Doug
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yankee17
norr...@rintintin.colorado.edu (Doug Norris) wrote:
> "Chris Harris" <harris3...@worldnet.att.com> writes:
>
> >> You might note that there weren't too many
> >> "regulars" on the otherside either.
>
> >Other than Bryant8NBA, Glenn Boyer, Michael Willency, and of course
myself,
> >you're right. There really weren't all that many.
>
> And me - I'm at least a quasi-regular. And thank you, Chris, for not
> posting in HTML - it helps me a lot.
>
> Doug
>
>
problem with this is the message it sends about professionalism. It is
no different than S@H. The subtle message it sends is tacky. It's a
lot like the sidewalk barkers I saw today in Manhattan, selling ties
3-$10. Do they sell ties? Yes. Are they mens clothiers? Would you
wear one of those ties to an job interview? No. You'd go to a
professional mens store. Do those that use PSA???? sell cards? Yes.
Are they card dealers? No, not in my book. The professionalism is
missing.
Other similarities between S@H and the PSA??? sellers:
Both state exactly what they are trying to sell you.
Both imply that it's worth much more than it is.
Both appeal to the greed factor and/or naivete of their customers.
Neither are card dealers.
Neither will get a dime of my hard earned money.
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> "Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word
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> Mankind. Basically, it's made up of two separate words---"mank" and
"ind".
> What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is
mankind."
> - Deep Thought, Jack Handey
>
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