Where Did Everyone Go?
smyrnaquince
basically a spam group at this point. What are the reasonable groups
to read? Something on Yahoo Groups? Elsewhere?
And yes, I agree that this is a "do it," not at "read about it,"
sport, but reading the newsgroups is a relaxing way to spend lunch.
Thanks,
Dave
Eugene Miya
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Michael A. Riches
>from 5.7 to 5.8 was. Is this normal? Or am I just not ready yet?
Most of this is your gym and the route setter. I've found 5'8's that seem
way harder than some 10's...
>Thanks,
>Dave
It has changed quite a bit in the last few years...Used to be a very popular
group, but that's the way of the net.
Soooo, you can help those of us that are left to keep this group alive for a
bit longer. Who knows, maybe we can breath some new life into it and drive
the spam and cross-posting freaks out...
Ratzzz...
Al Black
> Out climbing.
Fair enough comment. Went out to White Buddha today. Bouldered on steep
stuff, and did a kiddee sport route to justify carrying the rope. Man it
felt great to feel the sun on the arms and the back of the neck.
Skiing climbing goals, so far so good. Need to stretch before beauty
rest!
al
Al Black
> And yes, I agree that this is a "do it," not at "read about it," sport,
> but reading the newsgroups is a relaxing way to spend lunch.
My experience is that the two are more related than first appears. Both
make the experience richer and more meaningful.
But r.c. is just a step up or two from the lowest common denominator of
writing logs. Think of it as ghetto literature.
al
Hal Murray
>I am recent to climbing and to this group. It is obvious that this is
>basically a spam group at this point. What are the reasonable groups
>to read? Something on Yahoo Groups? Elsewhere?
Many of the people who used to hang out here have migrated to
web forums.
You might find interesting stuff at:
http://supertopo.com/
http://www.rockclimbing.com/
http://gunks.com/
Are there more? Maybe we should collect a list and add it
to Gene's list.
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These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
Eugene Miya
>>sport, but reading the newsgroups is a relaxing way to spend lunch.
In article <e7qdnbu0lMuNykfU...@powerusenet.com>,
Michael A. Riches <rock...@comcast.net> wrote:
>It has changed quite a bit in the last few years...Used to be a very popular
>group, but that's the way of the net.
>Soooo, you can help those of us that are left to keep this group alive for a
>bit longer. Who knows, maybe we can breath some new life into it and drive
>the spam and cross-posting freaks out...
The FAQ to rec.aviation.stores (moderated) like our and other FAQs point
out that it requires a lot of work to compose anything other than a
short note. We have minimal spam. Some gets filtered out by admins.
And cross posting here is nothing like other groups (Mike V in r.c.'s
parent group: uses a very strange set of cross posts). R.c. is a so-so
populated group. Clyde, for instance, has moved on with his life (we
stay in touch, but he's (and I) have better things to do).
Time to go home, make dinner, finish taxes. Prep for Alaska and Europe.
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Eugene Miya
In a way, I should have been out in the rain testing for my annual bear
class: test for a charging grizzly or polar bear or a complex scenario
(always remember the benefits of communication). Murray should be out
there if he expects to replace me on the North Slope and get a free trip
to the Brooks. Me, I hope to mix things up and spend a week or two on
the Juneau ice field shooting laser beams, setting up prisms, and
falling into the occasional crevasse. We'll see. If the "where?" is
the issue, tell them to go to Vail.
Eugene Miya
Al Black <al-b...@notthis.telus.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:34:13 -0700, smyrnaquince wrote:
>> And yes, I agree that this is a "do it," not at "read about it," sport,
>> but reading the newsgroups is a relaxing way to spend lunch.
>
>writing logs. Think of it as ghetto literature.
That is a good way to put it.
Like around the campfire stuff.
Michael A. Riches
>out that it requires a lot of work to compose anything other than a
>short note. We have minimal spam. Some gets filtered out by admins.
>And cross posting here is nothing like other groups (Mike V in r.c.'s
>parent group: uses a very strange set of cross posts). R.c. is a so-so
>populated group.
Yeah... I realize that. I guess I'm one of those that hates change in some
things...
People come and go, You probably have seen this a thousand times more than
me on this group, but I still hope it will turn again...
Ratzzz...
Michael A. Riches
>Al Black <al-b...@notthis.telus.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:34:13 -0700, smyrnaquince wrote:
>>> And yes, I agree that this is a "do it," not at "read about it," sport,
>>> but reading the newsgroups is a relaxing way to spend lunch.
>>
>>But r.c. is just a step up or two from the lowest common denominator of
>>writing logs. Think of it as ghetto literature.
>That is a good way to put it.
Ain't nuthin wrong with the gutter (hic...) Slept there many a night,
myself...
The Ghetto...??? where's that...??? (hic...)
>Like around the campfire stuff.
You bring the matches and I'll bring the 100 proof kerosene...
Ratzzz...
troutboy
> People come and go, You probably have seen this a thousand times more than
> me on this group, but I still hope it will turn again...
>
> Ratzzz...
Not a chance. 21st century computing has left usenet in the dust to
die a slow, painful death.
The inability to post photos and presence of spam (in unmoderated
groups) are 2 major problems.
And the essence of wreck.climbing was that it was unmoderated...so the
very nature of the beast made it susceptible to
a major predator (spam).
I'm afraid computer technology whizzed past like a Japanese commuter
train in the 3 years or so you were gone Mike :-). Almost everyone
has moved on, leaving a nearly-empty station with about 2 trains per
week stopping by.
Try Mountain Project or Gunks.com for a better fix. Supertopo if you
want to hang around with the rest of us old farts. Rc.com if you can
stand the noobs (highly entertaining in some ways).
TS
Eugene Miya
>things...
>People come and go, You probably have seen this a thousand times more than
>me on this group, but I still hope it will turn again...
It wasn't really change as lack of critical mass and problems which
similarly plague clubs (I have presided over 2 quite reasonably
successfully as well as a profesional society chapter).
What kills most of them is passivity. Which can come from lack or ill
conceived direction. But count, the most "successful" group hierarchies
are the comp.* hierarchies. Makes sense: this is a computer network
after all. It's not reading stories which makes magazines successfull,
it's specific articles (some of which might be stories). What kills
most clubs/associations is the lack of things for the older experienced
people to do. Really. This is why travel is important.
Diversification helps.
It's certainly possible to make r.c. an impressive news group, but in
the end, it's not climbing. To me it's a minor part of work. Internet work.
The news group is what we make it.
--the net.ranger
Eugene Miya
In article <8pmdnbZiz-0LZ0bU...@powerusenet.com>,
Michael A. Riches <rock...@comcast.net> wrote:
>You bring the matches and I'll bring the 100 proof kerosene...
Water diluted kerosene?
Naw, naw, naw.
I've moved on to vintage WWII flame throwers with real napalm or at
least a 50/50 gas/kerosene mixture, tracers, and nuclear weapons.
Adult toys.
Michael A. Riches
>I'm afraid computer technology whizzed past like a Japanese commuter
>train in the 3 years or so you were gone Mike :-). Almost everyone
>has moved on, leaving a nearly-empty station with about 2 trains per
>week stopping by.
I'll tell ya... it sure left me in the dust...Going to have to get Eugene to
teach me how to use one of these damn things.
>Try Mountain Project or Gunks.com for a better fix. Supertopo if you
>want to hang around with the rest of us old farts. Rc.com if you can
>stand the noobs (highly entertaining in some ways).
Tried Supertopo, but there again was to stupid to figure the site out...
Will have to get in the right mood one of these nights and wander
through again...(Seizure meds suck...) Glad to see you still make
the rounds every now and again...
Ratzzz...
Eugene Miya
>>I'm afraid computer technology whizzed past like a Japanese commuter
>>train in the 3 years or so you were gone Mike :-). Almost everyone
>
>teach me how to use one of these damn things.
Basically you can't ask people to give you what you won't give them yourself.
I'm not certain of much value in web specific sites. I can think of at
least one site which is run by a jerk. The future is likely to be more
wiki-like, but it will lag the more major public wikis like wikipedia.
Michael A. Riches
>Basically you can't ask people to give you what you won't give them
>yourself.Basically you can't ask people to give you what you >won't give
>them yourself.
Ohh...O.K. then, Hey Eugene, Let me teach you to use your computer, then you
can teach me...(is it really that easy...???)
Ratzzz...(stuck in the stoneage...)
Klooch Man
Michael A. Riches wrote:
> Ohh...O.K. then, Hey Eugene, Let me teach you to use your computer, then you
> can teach me...(is it really that easy...???)
>
> Ratzzz...(stuck in the stoneage...)
Pretty amazing what some people find easy.
I like this little whisper of a glow from the old campfire as the r.c.
universe cools to absolute zero, albeit disturbed by noisy
singularities. Is there such a thing as a spam group?
I have to say something each week or so to check whether I can
remember my password.
A Cairns
Michael A. Riches
>remember my password.
>A Cairns
Andy...Your mission, this year, is to check on us twice a week. And as usual
this message will self destruct in ohhhh a week, this time...(30 seconds for
the rest...)
Ratzzz...(009)
Eugene Miya
>> Ohh...O.K. then, Hey Eugene, Let me teach you to use your computer, then you
>> can teach me...(is it really that easy...???)
Timing. And value.
>> Ratzzz...(stuck in the stoneage...)
You are not alone.
In article <6a96e822-7655-4bac...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Klooch Man <lek...@intergate.ca> wrote:
>Pretty amazing what some people find easy.
It's how you retead old ground. Just do it some ways different.
>I like this little whisper of a glow from the old campfire as the r.c.
>universe cools to absolute zero, albeit disturbed by noisy
>singularities. Is there such a thing as a spam group?
There are. In fact I just got off the phone with an old co-worker who
designed early spam software ("Kids have to eat...").
My ski club's former President has a son who is somewhat ADD.
He burned up a lot of matches in boredom in our fire place. I have to
show him to restart fires from small embers.
>I have to say something each week or so to check whether I can
>remember my password.
I have that problem on Facebook.
Al Black
> In article
> <6a96e822-7655-4bac...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Klooch Man <lek...@intergate.ca> wrote:
>>I have to say something each week or so to check whether I can remember
>>my password.
>
> I have that problem on Facebook.
Stuck in the bowels of Nortel patent paperwork is something that would
really help with that. <sigh> <sigh>
al
Eugene Miya
Password aging is stupid.
Al Black
Yep. Passwords as authentication system have a lot of advantages
especially lowest common denominator. The thing is our design and
implementation of them don't take advantage of our natural cognitive
skills. Don't get me going.
al
Eugene Miya
>> Password aging is stupid.
In article <Mx1Fl.21951$Db2.20644@edtnps83>,
Al Black <al-b...@notthis.telus.net> wrote:
>Yep. Passwords as authentication system have a lot of advantages
>especially lowest common denominator. The thing is our design and
>implementation of them don't take advantage of our natural cognitive
>skills. Don't get me going.
I occasionally wonder about key escrow. I've played with biometrics.
And I recently chuckled when I had to fill in yet more challenge-response
questionaires to get yet another account started. Passwords don't work
well with time. We're going to lose more and mroe data. I don't know
quite what it's like in Canada, but the US is crazy about some of this
stuff. Some key fob systems are OK for access. For now at least.
Klooch Man
I've never had serious trouble remembering passwords but my real
security comes from lacking anything anyone would want.
I wish I could remember all the brilliant details of that sysadmin's
recipe for constructing a huge number of passwords based on the
discography of Kylie Minogue.