True stories of Dan Osman
DEUCE4
I saw the thread the other day (didn't read them all), so I thought I'd add to
them. The episode related in "A Wrong Turn" happened just last night.
Dano Stories
Some people think Dan Osman is a bit crazy. Master of soloing at the extreme
limit, wild 700 foot bridge and tower rope jumps, and other stuff entailing an
adrenaline surge that would kill most folks, Dan’s always got a glint in his
eye, poised for any kind of wildness.
Dan started working in the A5 prototype division of The North Face last year.
In a few weeks, he picked up the craft of sewing, and has since been designing
packs from scratch in the finest creative manner. Working with Dan allows a
view of his current slice of adventures. One morning he came in from a full
night of dodging cops under a bridge. Another night we climbed a construction
tower in the middle of a city to scope it for a rope jump the next evening.
I’ve gotten to witness a couple of his jumps now, and I can see that he has an
incredible intuitive sense of the mechanics and the dynamics of his jumps, and
can say for sure that no one should ever try them without an advanced awareness
of physics. The reason I can say this for sure is that despite years of
college physics and science, I still had to learn freefall dynamics the hard
way, as my back still aches in the place where I tore some muscle after a 140
footer on two ropes without a chest harness way back in 1986 during some jumps
with Scotty Burke on the Perris Ferry Bridge.
Anyway, Dan’s latest story was so amazing, that I thought I’d write it up for
all:
A WRONG TURN
After a day of designing gear, cutting patterns, and sewing, Dan left the A5
shop minutes after fellow threadworker Jason Smith, whom he was planning to
meet for dinner at the place they were staying. Not knowing the city well, he
took the wrong exit and ended up lost in the central heart of Oakland. Driving
around lost for a while, he eventually stopped at a Kentucky Fried Chicken for
a bit of food. He says now, “Look how life is, one wrong turn and my whole
life was altered”.
When he came out of the fast food joint, he saw three guys running away from
his truck. It took him a moment to realize that they were running away with
his jacket, wallet, car stereo speakers, and two duffel bags full of gear. He
chased them to no avail, got back to his car and surveyed the damage.
Incensed, for the next three to four hours drove around the dark heart of
Oakland looking for his stuff until he finally saw a woman wearing his yellow
North Face Jacket. He jumped out of his rig and chased the woman down.
Cornering the woman and trying to grab his jacket back, he only had moments
before a wall of tough looking guys were bearing down on him with bottles and
steel rods in their hands. He tried to pull the jacket off the woman, but she
bent over clutching it. At the very last moment he let go and at first only a
step or two in front of the tough guys, outran them by jumping over fences,
running through backyards, and dodging dogs (he thought one snarling dog had
him until he heard the chain slap tight just as he leaped away).
Now almost midnight, he wandered around town, and ran into a few police. He
told them his predicament, and they advised him to get the hell out of there,
and gave him directions to where he had been originally trying to get to. They
told him that it was a civil case and would have to be processed later. Dan
shrugged, and told them that if he was found busted up in some dark alley later
that night, they would know the reason why.
Continuing with his search, he saw the woman again, this time in a completely
different part of town. Again he chased her down and grabbed the jacket,
telling her clearly that all he wanted was his jacket back. She refused to
give it up, and tried to pull away. Seeing a cop driving down the street, Dan
double wrapped the cuff of the jacket firmly around one hand so the woman could
not run away without leaving the jacket, and with the other waved the cop down
wildly. The cop continued to drive by, and even after making eye contact with
Dan, turned the corner and was gone. Dan couldn’t believe it. Meanwhile, five
big dark and mean looking guys--what seemed like an army--were now barreling
down on towards Dan, so he again let go of his jacket and booked it, again
through yards and over fences only steps ahead of the chasing thugs. He
reflects, “They would have stabbed and beat me and my head would have been
smashed in if they caught me”.
Back at the truck, Dan paused and planned his next moves. Deciding to seek
information peacefully, he proceeded to walk around town and talk to folks. He
told me he met some really cool people, some who were clueless, and some who
seemed to know the haps. He bribed informants with cigarettes, candy bars,
lighters (with A5 stickers), and spare change as to any information on the
woman. Finding out her name was Niatia, he then moved through town with a
mission. One street person asked him for a smoke, and he bargained with the
guy until he told him more names. “Gimme a smoke, man” Dan: “Not until you
tell me who Niatia hangs out with”. Street: “I dunno no Niatia, just give me a
smoke”. Dan: “No way, man, not until I hear some info.” Street: “denniman”.
Dan: “What?” Street: “Dennis”. Dan: “Cool, man, here’s two smokes”.
Next he found out more about Dennis and Niatia, and even found out what floor
of the house they lived in. It turned out to be a two story house with four or
five separate families living in it. He scoped it out but all the lights were
out, and he couldn’t be sure that it was the right place. He drove around some
more not sure what to do, and was about to call it quits, when he drove by the
house one more time and saw a light on. It was now 5:15 a.m.
He climbed up the slippery shingles of the porch awning to where he could get a
view into the room. Asleep were Dennis and Niatia. He sees his yellow Climb
Light jacket, and a corner of his red duffel through his view into the window.
At this point he got scared, “because he knew he was charging in after it. It
was time for confrontation”.
Next he entered the house, trying to move quietly up the creaking stairs. The
place stank like piss. Going up, he tried the door on the left. Locked, he
knocked and called out, “Hey Dennis, it’s me, gotta talk to you.” A guy from
the door on the right appears, and says, “Haymaan, what chu doin?” Dan
explains, “I’m looking for Dennis, man, I got to talk to him, man” Neighbor:
“Ain’t no Dennis, man, get out of here.”
Dan: “no, man, I gotta talk to Dennis, it’s important” “Okaay”, the neighbor
says, and leaves his door open which led to another entrance to Dennis’s room,
and then disappears into another room (probably he went back to bed). Another
door blocked passage into the room where he had seen the jacket and duffel, and
though there was no handle and the latch were broken, something held the door
from opening. The bottom part of the door was kicked in, so he peered through
the slats, and now he could see that Dennis was using his duffel as a pillow.
As quietly as possible, he pried the slats away, reached up, and pulled out a
knife that was holding the door from opening. It took him about 15 seconds to
decide what to do, and another 5 seconds of visualization as to the location of
his items and his plan of attack, he bust through the door, brandishing the
knife in one hand, while holding his flashlight above his head with the other,
illuminating the knife and making his intentions clear. He said, “Want my
shit, man”, and proceeded to grab all he could gather of his possessions strewn
about the room, all the time holding the light in their eyes and holding the
knife out well in front of him.
When he bailed with all he could carry, fearful that the whole house (indeed,
the whole town) would be after him, he escaped, got back to his car, and sped
away, to find that he got his wallet (minus $600 cash) and most of his gear
back. He prayed to God as the sun arose.
As told to John Middendorf 2/9/98
George Bell
Yo, Deuce, thanks for the entertaining tale. Forget the bridge
jumping and free soloing, this tale proves Dan Osman IS NUTS! A
mountain is never "out to get you", people are way more dangerous!
Thanks for the best "Trip Report" in ages!
-George
--
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/6260/index.html
Dave Boyer
DEUCE4 wrote:
>
> I saw the thread the other day (didn't read them all), so I thought I'd add to
> them. The episode related in "A Wrong Turn" happened just last night.
> Dano Stories
<<snip of post that included: 3 A5 references, 4 TNF referencess
including the style of jacket, a criminal tresspass, an assault with a
deadly weapon, breaking and entering, vandalism, destruction of personal
property, and an assault on a woman by Osman>>
Nice to see A5/TNF using such upstanding people in their organization.
Maybe these sorts will give the "TNF Dream Team" the hard edge they seek
instead of just polluting the local campus with pricey jackets.
Criminal activity, even in a TNF jacket, is not something to be proud
of, nor to trumpet to the world in the hopes of being "rad". Osman is
out of control and as his friend you should find him some help.
Dave
pet...@sco.com
Great TR John! ;)
thanks,
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Russ Walling
Dave Boyer wrote:
>
> DEUCE4 wrote:
> >
> > I saw the thread the other day (didn't read them all), so I thought I'd add to
> > them. The episode related in "A Wrong Turn" happened just last night.
> > Dano Stories
>
> including the style of jacket, a criminal tresspass, an assault with a
> deadly weapon, breaking and entering, vandalism, destruction of personal
> property, and an assault on a woman by Osman>>
>
> Nice to see A5/TNF using such upstanding people in their organization.
> Maybe these sorts will give the "TNF Dream Team" the hard edge they seek
> instead of just polluting the local campus with pricey jackets.
> Criminal activity, even in a TNF jacket, is not something to be proud
> of, nor to trumpet to the world in the hopes of being "rad". Osman is
> out of control and as his friend you should find him some help.
> Dave
Say Dave......a guy in a FISH T-Shirt killed a drifter once just to get
an erection. I thought that was pretty "rad".
Russ
(PS: nice Dano story. I bet this is one of his mild ones)
Pat Nay
For some life is art dude, Slayer lives
pat
crack baby
This begs the obvious question: How did he know the woman was wearing
his jacket?
Crack "Don't I look stupid if this is just a made up story" Baby
ROCKORR
>As told to John Middendorf 2/9/98
That is by far the most entertaining thing I've read in months. Thank you.
-Andy-
ROC...@AOL.com
Ryan Brown 942-7905
I'm not sure what's so amazing about all of that.
It's a little condescending to say, "Dude, that's the craziest fucking
shit in the world!!!" There are people who live in that part of Oakland,
EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES. Rad!!! Bullets flying everywhere!!! Fuck
yeah! Pass me a Surge! This is just like Boyz in the Hood, dude!
This whole thing is absurd. The local campus kids with their North Face
jackets would love it, though...maybe it's a planned advertising stunt.
Ryan
John R. Black
Ryan Brown 942-7905 (rab...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: It's a little condescending to say, "Dude, that's the craziest fucking
: shit in the world!!!" There are people who live in that part of Oakland,
:
I lived in Oakland most of my life; I've seen people get shot, killed, etc.
I have a friend who did something very much like the Osman story and got the
shit kicked out of him (lucky he didn't get killed). I worked in the Highland
Hospital ER for a while and saw lots of dead dudes who weren't as lucky.
Oakland's in a bad way... it's sad really. Some people would shoot just
as soon as look at you. For his daughter's sake, I think Dano needs to
take a stress pill before he gets offed.
john//
(Now located in sleepy Davis, CA)
Mkword
Sounds like Osman can weave a fantastic
tale better than Lewinsky.
He certainly has better PR people.
BTW -- no cop mistakes robbery for
a civil case.
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <19980211001...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>
> -Andy-
> ROC...@AOL.com
I agree. It's believable as well, although many of you seem skeptical of
that. Tangling with street jackasses like that is pretty common so not
really out of the ordinary. One of my oldest friends, who is not into
any of this "rad" stuff I might add, got a wild hair up his ass one night
at a party about his car being towed. He had parked it like any other
guest in the lot of a place that had plenty of spaces. Unfortunately,
that apartment had a contract with a a rather unprincipled tow truck
company down on South Congress. At any rate, my friend gets out of the
party with his girlfriend and the car is gone. He goes down to the tow
place and sees the car behind a fence. Pissed as hell that these people
are cruising around town for "violators" to make money, he got bold and
decided to recover his car. What made all this possible was that it had
license plates on it that belonged to his girlfriend's MG. With a friend
on lookout, he went to them back fence and noticed it could be lifted off
its hinges even though it was padlocked. He opened the gate. Going to
the car, he noticed two Dobermans approaching him. He raised his wrists
into the air to avoid getting them bitten and for some reason the dogs
didn't attack. Probably weren't attack dogs anyway, just for
intimidation. He hopped into the old Triumph TR-6, pulled the choke out
and (thankfully) it started. The guy at the front heard this and came
running back. As my friend was hauling ass out the open back gate, the
tow truck guy fired a small caliber firearm (presumably into the air) and
yelled, "Yer goin' ta jail!!! Yer goin' ta jail!!! When he got the car
home, he put on his old (expired) plates and threw the girlfriend's MG
plates into the Colorado river. When the police visited him at work the
next day, he said that the MG plates had gotten stolen. The officers
politely commented, "We have to ask these things." They didn't remotely
give a shit about the tow truck guy. Thought those of you who have had
dealings with tow truck operators might like that story. I will now only
talk about climbing and big beef bean burritos.
-Tim Stich
Brent Ware
crack baby <p...@aimr.org> writes:
> This begs the obvious question: How did he know the woman was wearing
> his jacket?
>
> Crack "Don't I look stupid if this is just a made up story" Baby
>><snip the ENTIRE ORIGINAL LONG POST REQUOTED!>
No, you look stupid because you quoted the whole article in order to
add one line.
-bw
Brent Ware
Dave Boyer <dpbo...@mci.com> writes:
> <<snip of post that included: 3 A5 references, 4 TNF referencess
> including the style of jacket, a criminal tresspass, an assault with a
> deadly weapon, breaking and entering, vandalism, destruction of personal
> property, and an assault on a woman by Osman>>
>
> Nice to see A5/TNF using such upstanding people in their organization.
> Maybe these sorts will give the "TNF Dream Team" the hard edge they seek
> instead of just polluting the local campus with pricey jackets.
> Criminal activity, even in a TNF jacket, is not something to be proud
> of, nor to trumpet to the world in the hopes of being "rad". Osman is
> out of control and as his friend you should find him some help.
Hey, it was *his stuff*, wasn't it? The cops weren't going to get it
back for him. Nice to see that someone had the balls to stand up for
their right not to be robbed. A point for A5/TNF as far as I'm
concerned.
-bw
John Byrnes
Dave Boyer (dpbo...@mci.com) wrote:
> Criminal activity, even in a TNF jacket, is not something to be proud
> of, nor to trumpet to the world in the hopes of being "rad". Osman is
> out of control and as his friend you should find him some help.
Dave,
You sound extremely boring.
- Lord Slime
Vicki Portman
Brent Ware wrote:
>
> Hey, it was *his stuff*, wasn't it? The cops weren't going to get it
> back for him. Nice to see that someone had the balls to stand up for
> their right not to be robbed. A point for A5/TNF as far as I'm
> concerned.
>
> -bw
Had nothing to do with A5/TNF as far as I can see. It happened in his
own time, and therefore reflects solely on himself. If you go out and
get rat-arsed, falling-down drunk one evening, it has nothing to do with
your employer, right? If they try to discipline you for, say,
inappropriate behaviour, you'd tell them to screw themselves, wouldn't
you?
Just my tuppence worth.
:)
Vicki
michael schein
DEUCE4 <deu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>meet for dinner at the place they were staying. Not knowing the city well, he
>took the wrong exit and ended up lost in the central heart of Oakland.
Ah yes Oakland, West Oakland I'm guessing. I spent 5 years in a
warehouse in West Oakland. Quite an education for someone from the
Maine woods.
This story brings back quite a few memories (not all of them good).
Mick
Eric D. Coomer
tst...@tcmail.frco.com wrote in message
>I agree. It's believable as well, although many of you seem skeptical of
>that. Tangling with street jackasses like that is pretty common so not
>really out of the ordinary.
It's also a fairly common site for people to get shot in Oakland. Do you
live here?
I've been ripped off 14 times in six years living here. I can buy crack
about 3 blocks down the street. Murders *do* happen here over things more
trivial than what Dano did.
This pretty much seals it that Dano truly is nuts!
Cheers
Eric
michael schein
><<snip of post that included: 3 A5 references, 4 TNF referencess
>including the style of jacket, a criminal tresspass, an assault with a
>deadly weapon, breaking and entering, vandalism, destruction of personal
>property, and an assault on a woman by Osman>>
>
>Nice to see A5/TNF using such upstanding people in their organization.
<<snip of post by rec.climbing Christian Coalition>>
Lighten up Dave.
It's a good story. Far more entertaining than most of the drivel
to be found on rec.climbing.
Furthermore, I can relate, having had my bike, a set of tools and
my pack stolen (on the first day) of moving to W. Oakland.
You get pretty upset when people start taking your stuff. You
want it back.
Mick
Hugh B. McNeil
Dave is a dickhead.
Russ Schwartz
> <<snip of post that included: 3 A5 references, 4 TNF referencess
> including the style of jacket, a criminal tresspass, an assault with a
> deadly weapon, breaking and entering, vandalism, destruction of personal
> property, and an assault on a woman by Osman>>
>
> Nice to see A5/TNF using such upstanding people in their organization.
> instead of just polluting the local campus with pricey jackets.
> of, nor to trumpet to the world in the hopes of being "rad". Osman is
> out of control and as his friend you should find him some help.
> Dave
This one gets my vote for stupidist response of the year. Congratulations Dave!
- Russ
ROCKORR
>This begs the obvious question: How did he know the woman was wearing
>his jacket?
>
>
This begs the obvious questions: are you really a crack baby?
>looking for his stuff until he finally saw a woman wearing his yellow
>> North Face Jacket.
I'd say that if he saw her wearing it, that's pretty good evidence that she was
wearing it.
Andy "who looks stupid now" Orr
ROCKORR
>I'm not sure what's so amazing about all of that.
>
>shit in the world!!!" There are people who live in that part of Oakland,
>yeah! Pass me a Surge! This is just like Boyz in the Hood, dude!
>
>This whole thing is absurd. The local campus kids with their North Face
>jackets would love it, though...maybe it's a planned advertising stunt.
>
> Ryan
It was entertaining. Moron.
ROCKORR
>BTW -- no cop mistakes robbery for
>a civil case.
Obviously the cop assumed it was some local dumbass trying to get away with
something. Looking at Dan I would assume the same.
Jacob
> I think Dano needs to take a stress pill before he gets offed.
him see reality.
Taylor Shull
John R. Black wrote:
> Oakland's in a bad way... it's sad really. Some people would shoot just
> as soon as look at you.
I wouldn't mind it really, if Everything west of the San Andreas falt
were to just fall into the ocean. Seems like there's too much crap
going on there, and wouldn't hurt the world if it were gone.
Mick Ryan
Hugh B. McNeil wrote:
>
> Dave is a dickhead.
No he's not. It was a very interesting story - entertaining, but is was also an advitorial to promote
A5/TNF. Dave made some good points. If you are the owner of a company/or work for one, posting
stuff like this is a good way to increase name recognition, and that's what Mr.Middendorf was doing
- as well as relating a very good tale.
mick
Inez Drixelius
> Hugh B. McNeil wrote:
> >
> > Dave is a dickhead.
>
> A5/TNF. Dave made some good points. If you are the owner of a company/or
work for one, posting
> stuff like this is a good way to increase name recognition, and that's
what Mr.Middendorf was doing
John doesn't have to increase name recognition. He's participating on
this forum and has more to offer than the rest of us arm chair spewers.
That includes a good story in addition to good beta and information. What
do you want him to do, change his name, so he won't "promote" it?
(There is a difference between principal and principle after all....)
--
Inez Drixelius
Berkeley, California
"Real women wear knee pads"
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <6bsn59$f...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>,
Agreed. While I think it's fine to pursue someone who stole your stuff,
I would do it in a (fast)car and advise the police (via cell phone or
radio) of my actions so that THEY could show up and do the hero shit. A
guy was hanging out in my backyard one night and scared the shit out of
me. It was about 11:00 pm. Girlfriend and dogs hanging out in the other
room. So what did I do? Did I go out there with (you name the weapon, I
got lots) and say, "What are you doin?" Nope. Turned all the lights
off, checked to see the doors were locked, called the cops and they
arrived with guns drawn and took off the stoned idiot.
I live in Austin incidentally Eric, but I had friends who lived in
Oakland. There was a guy in Mountain View who got beaten to death last
year by some gang of kids and it turned out that he was a close personal
friend of a friend. It was a big to do as I understand with the
candlelight vigil and everything. Sorry if this has turned into the TRUE
CRIME thread, but it sure is weird living in these violent times.
ta...@vr1.com
Dave Boyer <dpbo...@mci.com> wrote:
>
> DEUCE4 wrote:
> >
> > I saw the thread the other day (didn't read them all), so I thought I'd add
to
> > them. The episode related in "A Wrong Turn" happened just last night.
> > Dano Stories
>
> including the style of jacket, a criminal tresspass, an assault with a
> deadly weapon, breaking and entering, vandalism, destruction of personal
> property, and an assault on a woman by Osman>>
In response to you and that guy that thinks that the whole post was
a big A5 promotion, F-in hell! Just because John happens to run a
climbing gear company, does that prohibit him from contributing to
rec.climbing? Jeez! In the last 2 months, this was the only article
which I actually managed to get the entire way through. It was
*interesting*, and I could care less which companies John or Dan
work for.
Amanda
ps. back to my video games where I can blow people like you guys up :P
Inez Drixelius
> I live in Austin incidentally Eric, but I had friends who lived in
> Oakland. There was a guy in Mountain View who got beaten to death last
> year by some gang of kids and it turned out that he was a close personal
> friend of a friend.
Oh come on, Stich--yer gettin bored??? "I have a friend of a friend whose
acquaintance was clobbered to death somewhere on the Peninsula...."
Mountain View is not even close to Oakland, by the by. People have been
offing each other for centuries. Times have always been violent!
>Sorry if this has turned into the TRUE
> CRIME thread, but it sure is weird living in these violent times.
It isn't weird unless you get all morose and don't climb enough. I can't
believe this thread is turning into a mega boring rant about crime. 20
some posts about daring Dan is more than anyone can handle.
Next we'll start philosophizing about why some dufus drops a partner on
toprope and the demise of humankind.
Bore me to tears!
Ahh, it feels good to blast the flame thrower!
Mick Ryan
ta...@vr1.com wrote:
>
It was
> *interesting*, and I could care less which companies John or Dan
> work for.
>
> Amanda
That's just fine coming from Amanda 'A5 chick' Tarmac.
Kenneth Cline
Mick Ryan wrote:
>
> Hugh B. McNeil wrote:
> >
> > Dave is a dickhead.
>
> stuff like this is a good way to increase name recognition, and that's what Mr.Middendorf was doing
The one thing that rec.climbing excels at is making a lot of climbers
shake their head and wonder why anyone would bother wading through all
the garbage that is posted. This response is a case in point - I for
one hope it doesn't discourage Deuce from further contributions to the
group. I also find it outrageous to consider the article to be
advertising - doing so is in fact a form of discrimination against
people in the climbing industry because it prevents them from mentioning
aspects of their life that the rest of us are free to discuss if even
marginally relevant.
Not only has Deuce posted this entertaining story, but he is also
encouraging activism by offering free toys to anyone who writes a letter
stating their opinion about bolting policy in Joshua Tree (see his "free
big wall spoons" articles). We need more participation from people like
this and should encourage it!
Ken
Amanda Tarr
A few things. (ugh back to the rec.climbing grind)
1) Don't you dare make fun of my last name again! Grrrrrr! Keep it up and
I'll start in with childish insults against your manhood or something ;)
2) Why did you make the assumption that I have an A5 affiliation? Does it
matter? Shouldn't I be able to give the simple opinion that I found the
post interesting, and that I didn't feel that it was in any way a
promotion?
In fact the above sentences shouldn't even be questions. It shouldn't matter.
I've been giving my opinion in rec.climbing for a few years. I see no reason
to stop. (ok, I'm leaving myself wide open for someone to make fun of me
with that remark :) )
Amanda "I need a lighting gun with quad damage" Tarr
Mick Ryan
> > Hugh B. McNeil wrote:
Dave is a dickhead.
> Mick Ryan wrote:
No he's not. It was a very interesting story - entertaining, but is was also an advitorial to promote
A5/TNF. Dave made some good points. If you are the owner of a company/or work for one, posting
stuff like this is a good way to increase name recognition, and that's what Mr.Middendorf was doing
as well as relating a very good tale.
Kenneth Cline wrote:
I also find it outrageous to consider the article to be
> advertising -
Not that outrageous surely. Cut from the story - three of the six A5/NF references
"saw a woman wearing his yellow North Face jacket" jacket would have been sufficient
"He bribed informants with cigarettes, candy bars, lighters (with A5 stickers), and spare change as
to any information". A5 stickers, lighters with A5 stickers on or A5 sticker lighters???
He sees his yellow Climb Light jacket" jacket would have been sufficient
Bloody Hell. I'm advertising for A5/NF
It's a very clever way of advertising. It's like one of those trip reports a sponsored climber writes to
fulfill his contract. It does distract from the story slightly. Maybe the Deuce did it subconsciously.
doing so is in fact a form of discrimination against
> people in the climbing industry because it prevents them from mentioning
> aspects of their life that the rest of us are free to discuss if even
> marginally relevant.
No one's discriminating or censoring anybody. We want more. We want more.
> Not only has Deuce posted this entertaining story, but he is also
> encouraging activism by offering free toys to anyone who writes a letter
> stating their opinion about bolting policy in Joshua Tree (see his "free
> big wall spoons" articles). We need more participation from people like
> this and should encourage it!
True.
I hope the story gets published somewhere. .....and people should write and report on more stuff
like this. Climbing would be richer for it.
Mick
Pat Nay
So do all these tales make Dano the Largo of the 90s w/o hyperbole. Largo
dosed a couple of barbarians in the (I think) late 70s who were trying to
jack a bicycle he was riding. A carful of hooligans and he dots their eyes.
Sounds familiar
Pat
Patrick C Leger
> was also an advitorial to promote A5/TNF. Dave made some good
> points. If you are the owner of a company/or work for one, posting
> stuff like this is a good way to increase name recognition, and
> good tale.
So, he's relating a very good tale, and one that's relevant to
climbing (though only barely). I doubt Mr. Middendorf was trying to
increase name recognition of A5/TNF--how many people on this newsgroup
don't already know of A5/TNF? He'd be preaching to the choir...
Chris
si...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
I'm answering a posting that was nothing but quotes:
I really want to answer Mick Ryan's post --
Mick Ryan <roc...@qnet.com> writes:
: "saw a woman wearing his yellow North Face jacket"
: jacket would have been sufficient
:
: "He bribed informants with cigarettes, candy bars,
: lighters (with A5 stickers), and spare change as to any information".
: A5 stickers, lighters with A5 stickers on or A5 sticker lighters???
:
: He sees his yellow Climb Light jacket"
: jacket would have been sufficient
: It's a very clever way of advertising.
: It's like one of those trip reports a sponsored climber writes to
: fulfill his contract. It does distract from the story slightly.
: Maybe the Deuce did it subconsciously.
Mick Ryan may be right on this. But the inclusion of the brand and model
stuff actually made the story more fun to read. The abbreviated sentences
might have been sufficient, as Mick says, but the story as posted was
better reading.
Later Mick says -
: No one's discriminating or censoring anybody. We want more. We want more.
and:
: I hope the story gets published somewhere. .....and people should write and
: report on more stuff like this. Climbing would be richer for it.
So all in all, my quibbles with Mick amount to nothing. The bottom line is
"Kudos, John M., you gave us a deuce of a fine story -- advertising or no"
Phil Sidel
Mick Ryan
ROCKORR wrote:
>
> >He sees his yellow Climb Light jacket" jacket would have been sufficient
> >
>
> it.
>
> -Andy-
> ROC...@AOL.com
> http://members.aol.com/ROCKORR/house.html
Name recognition ,pal. Don't have to say anything good, bad or indifferent....or you can.....but just
mention the dam thing.
Mick Ryan
Kelly Rich wrote:
>
> In article <19980210072...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, deu...@aol.com (DEUCE4) says:
> >
> <intro Snipped>
>
> > Driving around lost for a while, he eventually stopped at a Kentucky Fried Chicken for
> > a bit of food.
>
> > It was now 5:15 a.m.
>
> This is obviously a bunch'o hoowee. Either that, or it's a total plug for KFC.
> Everybody knows, you can't run around for hours with a stomach full of that
> crap. You'd either vomit yourself or you'd sieze up.
> Jeesh, John, what do you take us for?
> :- k
Shit. He should have mentioned the make of car as well. What a missed opportunity.
ROCKORR
Hugh B. McNeil
Mick thinks I was referring to the writer of the story, when
I said Dave is a dickehead... i was referring to the git who
slagged the very fine Dan Osman.
Kelly Rich
mic
Mick, you shamless promoter you. I see that your e-mail adress is an
advertisement for the exellent Rockfax guide book series.
Mick Ryan <roc...@qnet.com> wrote in article <34E3CC...@qnet.com>...
Jacob
instructor that the likely hood of that happening is pretty nil (wrong
kinda fault or something).
Oh, well, we can still hope for a tidal wave. ;)
Jacob
> > A5/TNF. Dave made some good points. If you are the owner of a company/or
> work for one, posting
> > stuff like this is a good way to increase name recognition, and that's
>
> John doesn't have to increase name recognition. He's participating on
> this forum and has more to offer than the rest of us arm chair spewers.
> That includes a good story in addition to good beta and information. What
> do you want him to do, change his name, so he won't "promote" it?
> (There is a difference between principal and principle after all....)
>
> Inez Drixelius
> Berkeley, California
> "Real women wear knee pads"
employee. What does he really have to gain any more?
Chris Weaver
Mick Ryan <roc...@qnet.com> wrote:
> Name recognition ,pal
Oh come on, Mick. Don't be dense. Everyone here knows about A5/TNF and
their products.
The theory behind name-recognition advertising (such as you find at
sporting events for instance) depends on consumers who don't know much
about the product or its competitors and are going to buy the one they
recall seeing more often. IMO, people on this newsgroup are not generally
so free-spending and clueless about competitors' products that they'll go
out and buy a portaledge or mtn light jacket because they seem to recall
seeing the TNF/A5 name somewhere.
CW
Chris Weaver
Amanda Tarr <ta...@Colorado.EDU> wrote...
> Amanda "I need a lighting gun with quad damage" Tarr
Isn't there a patch somewhere that will turn Prick Ryan into Barney the
dinosaur? No wait... never mind. It'd be more fun to blast Ryan with the
BFG.
CW
Jeff Amato
Without commenting on the spirit of the post, I'll just point out
that the San Andreas runs west of Oakland. It cuts SF in half, then
runs through the hills west of Stanford and on down south. In case
you care...
-Jeff Amato
p.s. the San Andreas Fault also runs directly adjacent to JTree...
.
Steven Broyles
Taylor Shull wrote:
>
> John R. Black wrote:
>
> > Oakland's in a bad way... it's sad really. Some people would shoot just
> > as soon as look at you.
>
> I wouldn't mind it really, if Everything west of the San Andreas falt
> were to just fall into the ocean. Seems like there's too much crap
> going on there, and wouldn't hurt the world if it were gone.
Right, especially in light of the total lack of "crap going on" in such
fine urban paradises such as New York, Philly, Washington D.C.,
Chicago....
Besides, it would be real bummer for those of us who live on the pacific
coast.
-Steve
Inez Drixelius
In article <34E202...@REMOVE.stortek.com>,
taylor...@REMOVE.stortek.com wrote:
> John R. Black wrote:
>
> > Oakland's in a bad way... it's sad really. Some people would shoot just
> > as soon as look at you.
>
> I wouldn't mind it really, if Everything west of the San Andreas falt
> were to just fall into the ocean. Seems like there's too much crap
> going on there, and wouldn't hurt the world if it were gone.
You mean you would want me and the rest of us cool NoCal rec.climbers fall
into the ocean? How rude of you! You're just pissed that your aren't
close to where all the really cool people hang out and do really cool
things. You'd probably get all scared climbing in Yosemite, worrying
about an earthquake...Did your Mommy raise you on Donavan tunes or what???
Boo!!
Inez
PS I do know that you are just teasing....
Mkword
I didn't think the Danny Osman story
was advertising.
I just didn't believe a word of it.
:D
Mkword
I'd love for California to slide into
the ocean. Then Hollywood would
be forced to move back to New York
and I could return to climbing in the
Gunks ... where the REAL climbing is!
:D
ROCKORR
>: It's a very clever way of advertising.
you synical bastard
Jacob
> > I wouldn't mind it really, if Everything west of the San Andreas falt
> > were to just fall into the ocean. Seems like there's too much crap
> > going on there, and wouldn't hurt the world if it were gone.
>
> You mean you would want me and the rest of us cool NoCal rec.climbers fall
> into the ocean? How rude of you! You're just pissed that your aren't
> close to where all the really cool people hang out and do really cool
> things. You'd probably get all scared climbing in Yosemite, worrying
> about an earthquake...Did your Mommy raise you on Donavan tunes or what???
the post was directed at all those up-tight weirdos down in southern ca.
;)
Mick Ryan
Shit, I've been found out. I'll put that guerilla marketing book away.
Mick Ryan
Mick Ryan wrote:
Amanda Tarr wrote:
It was *interesting*, and I could care less which companies John or Dan
work for.
Amanda
Mick Ryan wrote:
That's just fine coming from Amanda 'A5 chick' Tarmac.
Mandy Pornstar wrote:
A few things. (ugh back to the rec.climbing grind)
Tired of this wonderful forum allready? News groups are a fine way to express yourself, pass info
and discuss...you know that. A lot better than the climbing magazines that select, edit and censor
any meaningful dialogue. Not that we'll get any consensus on here but at least you get to read lots
of opinions. Kids today. I blame it on TV.
A manda Starbucks wrote:
1) Don't you dare make fun of my last name again! Grrrrrr! Keep it up and
I'll start in with childish insults against your manhood or something ;)
Fire away
Jimmy Tarbuck wrote:
2) Why did you make the assumption that I have an A5 affiliation?
Pretty accurate asssumption though. Now don't forget if you want more free gear and want to rise
above gear sponsorship. Do the following:
- mention your sponsors as much as possible on rec.climbing, any written correspondance, down
the gym, in the supermarket, etc
- always write trip reports and send them to the magazines - always a good idea to befriend the
editors with chocolates, flowers and other favors - you're in good position living in CO
- follow the lead of the top pros (usually French or German) and recruit the services of a pro
photographer...or an aspiring pro photographer and you can grow together
- always climb something newsworthy. Don't do any of that clean aid stuff as Duane Raleigh will
think that you're just trying to get your name in the small print.
- Never go out without your sponsers 'stickers' adorned to your bod. In fact true pro's wear their
decals even when in bed.
Mindi Treaclemine wrote:
Does it matter?
No
Amanda wrote (in between playing computer games):
Shouldn't I be able to give the simple opinion that I found the
post interesting, and that I didn't feel that it was in any way a
promotion?
Yip
Bob Harrington
In article <6c0a3s$r...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
<si...@vms.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>Mick Ryan may be right on this. But the inclusion of the brand and model
>stuff actually made the story more fun to read.
Yeah, it reminded me of that Jackie Chan movie where he's running around
Hong Kong in a yellow and black N. Face suit. Ridiculous!
Bob
Bob Harrington
In article <34E202...@REMOVE.stortek.com>,
Taylor Shull <taylor...@REMOVE.stortek.com> wrote:
>John R. Black wrote:
>
>> Oakland's in a bad way... it's sad really. Some people would shoot just
>> as soon as look at you.
>
>were to just fall into the ocean. Seems like there's too much crap
>going on there, and wouldn't hurt the world if it were gone.
I think Taquitz would be a loss. Anyway, Oakland is east of the San
Andreas.
Bob
Mick Ryan
Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> Mick Ryan <roc...@qnet.com> wrote:
> > Name recognition ,pal
>
> Oh come on, Mick. Don't be dense. Everyone here knows about A5/TNF and
> their products.
>
Most will, some won't. And anyhow I didn't say it was an effective way of advertising....just a small
arm of a marketing campaign.
The Big Wall Equipment market is small and very competitive....and can be sneaky nasty
Mick Ryan
BFG please. He's my favourite.....woops favorite.
Mick Ryan
ROCKORR wrote:
>
> >: It's a very clever way of advertising.
>
> you synical bastard
realistic....bastard
Tim Triche, Jr.
Yeah, the real climbs are back East...
the *real short* climbs, that is. Boo. Hiss.
Wouldn't really miss LA much, though, now that I think about it.
--
"For years it was believed that countless monkeys working on countless
typewriters would eventually reproduce the genius of Shakespeare. Now,
thanks to the World Wide Web, we know this to be false."
--anonymous
crack baby
ROCKORR wrote:
>
> >This begs the obvious question: How did he know the woman was wearing
> >his jacket?
> >
> >
>
> This begs the obvious questions: are you really a crack baby?
> >looking for his stuff until he finally saw a woman wearing his yellow
> >> North Face Jacket.
>
> I'd say that if he saw her wearing it, that's pretty good evidence that she was
> wearing it.
>
> Andy "who looks stupid now" Orr
My point was simply-how did he know it was HIS jacket? Are there no
other jackets of the same model and color in existance?
crack baby
Brent Ware wrote:
>
> crack baby <p...@aimr.org> writes:
>
>
> No, you look stupid because you quoted the whole article in order to
> add one line.
>
> -bw
But I don't look as bad as I would if I spent all my time flaming people
for violations of netiquette.
Cheers
Tim Stich
inez...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Inez Drixelius) writes:
> In article <887303998....@dejanews.com>, tst...@tcmail.frco.com wrote:
>
> > I live in Austin incidentally Eric, but I had friends who lived in
> > Oakland. There was a guy in Mountain View who got beaten to death last
> > year by some gang of kids and it turned out that he was a close personal
> > friend of a friend.
>
> Oh come on, Stich--yer gettin bored???
*sigh* YEESSSS!
> Ahh, it feels good to blast the flame thrower!
Gee, thanks pal.
-Tim
Tim Stich
inez...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Inez Drixelius) writes:
> In article <887303998....@dejanews.com>, tst...@tcmail.frco.com wrote:
> Oh come on, Stich--yer gettin bored???
yes.
> Bore me to tears!
>
> Ahh, it feels good to blast the flame thrower!
Gee thanks, pal.
-Tim
Tim Triche, Jr.
crack baby wrote:
>
> Brent Ware wrote:
> >
> > crack baby <p...@aimr.org> writes:
> >
> >
> > No, you look stupid because you quoted the whole article in order to
> > add one line.
> >
> > -bw
>
> for violations of netiquette.
>
> Cheers
Or trying to recover a shred of respectability after the initial
offense.
Neener neener.
Steve Gray
Chris Weaver <cwe...@erols.com> said...
>
>Isn't there a patch somewhere that will turn Prick Ryan into Barney the
>dinosaur? No wait... never mind. It'd be more fun to blast Ryan with the
>BFG.
Naah, you wanna get the Pacman patch, then you can 'av 'is eyes out.
Marvelous.
--
Steve Gray
Remove _xxx to email me.
Amanda Tarr
Well, to avoid having my bluff called, I suppose it is time for those
childish insults!
>Mick Ryan sputtered:
>
>Mandy Pornstar wrote:
>
>A few things. (ugh back to the rec.climbing grind)
>
>News groups are a fine way to express yourself, pass info
>and discuss...you know that. A lot better than the climbing magazines
>that select, edit and censor any meaningful dialogue.
Well, the way I see it, discussions on this newsgroup tend to fall into
a few categories.
1) inane (ie. the 50th iteration of the GriGri vs. ATC argument.)
2) the entire newsgroup vs. one or two vigilante defenders of a random cause.
(ie. SS and YOSAR)
3) Silly flamewars involving an attempt at exhibiting intelligence and wit,
while simultaneously calling the other people spineless, dickless llamas.
Then there is an occasional trip report, a philosophical discussion (which
usually degenerates into number 2 or number 3 above), an accident report or
two, and a few requests for information.
I would say that this thread started as an interesting trip report and has
declined into a mix of 2 and 3.
>A manda Starbucks wrote:
>1) Don't you dare make fun of my last name again! Grrrrrr! Keep it up and
> I'll start in with childish insults against your manhood or something ;)
>
>Fire away
Well, for starters, let's look at the pathetic attempts to make fun of my
name. I mean, you've got all kinds of opportunities here. Probably the most
prominent is Amanda Retarrd. Less obvious, but plausible is something like
A Manky Fart.
I'm assuming here that you're British. In which case, what kindof self
respecting Brit contents himself with sub standard slander? I mean, if you're
gonna make fun of me, you oughta go all out and insult! After all, seeing as
the British couldn't beat us in a war and had to start siding with us, at
the least they could maintain pride in their talent for comedy.
(wow... hehehe... that war thing was definitely an A Man Duh comment...
way too testosterone laden for me :) )
>
>Jimmy Tarbuck wrote:
>2) Why did you make the assumption that I have an A5 affiliation?
>
>Pretty accurate asssumption though. Now don't forget if you want more
>free gear and want to rise above gear sponsorship. Do the following:
You know, you're doing A5 a favor here, since their name has appeared
repeatedly in this thread. Assuming I had some secret agenda and was
in direct conspiracy with JM to increase name recognition, you would
be serving the role of a perfect tool in our devious plot.
But as for the sponsorship stuff, thanks for the advice. If I ever get
some talent, get off my ass and climb, and quit my job on top of that,
I'll take it into consideration.
>Amanda wrote (in between playing computer games):
I'll have you know, I am a fierce warrior and many have felt the
wrath of my sheer power, cunning strategy, and razor sharp reflexes.
The Quake GirlZ (my "clan") and I are gonna show the world that a girl
can wield a rocket launcher as well as any man out there. :p
Princess [QGirlZ]
Erik404
Amanda wrote:
>3) Silly flamewars involving an attempt at exhibiting intelligence and wit,
> while simultaneously calling the other people spineless, dickless llamas.
Out of compassion, I must warn you that insulting a llama places you in karmic
peril.
Austin, TX
"In this world Hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is
the law, Ancient and inexhaustible." The Buddha
Steve Gray
Amanda Tarr <ta...@Colorado.EDU> said...
>After all, seeing as
>the British couldn't beat us in a war and had to start siding with us, at
>the least they could maintain pride in their talent for comedy.
You've got it all wrong. We were only fighting with you lot because
somebody told us the only non-British whites in North America were
French.
>I'll have you know, I am a fierce warrior and many have felt the
>wrath of my sheer power, cunning strategy, and razor sharp reflexes.
>The Quake GirlZ (my "clan") and I are gonna show the world that a girl
>can wield a rocket launcher as well as any man out there. :p
Bah. Rocket Launchers. BFGs. Who needs 'em. Just get rid of that fancy
namby-pampy techo crap and get yourself a rack of hexes.
Patriot
>
>I'm assuming here that you're British. In which case, what kindof self
>respecting Brit contents himself with sub standard slander? I mean, if
you're
>gonna make fun of me, you oughta go all out and insult! After all, seeing
as
>the British couldn't beat us in a war and had to start siding with us, at
>the least they could maintain pride in their talent for comedy.
I think if you checked, the last engagement ended up with the white house a
little
tarnished, I.E. burnt to the ground, and that was with just 200 soldiers, oh
and also, your little independance war was won, not throught the skill of
your traitorous soldiers but because only second class troops were sent to
the America's. We had other things to do, we were receiving the unwelcome
attentions of a short guy from France, (for you Americans France is a
country in Europe) I know the standard of education in your country are not
very high.
Chris Weaver
Patriot <pat...@england.co.uk> wrote in article
<6cc4o7$qfd$1...@news.u-net.com>...
> I know the standard (sic) of education in your country are not
> very high.
Woo! I hope you're not presenting yourself as a representative of U.K.
educational superiority!
CW
Chris Weaver
Amanda Tarr <ta...@Colorado.EDU> wrote in article
<6ca61v$5...@lace.colorado.edu>...
> Assuming I had some secret agenda and was
> in direct conspiracy with JM to increase name recognition, you would
> be serving the role of a perfect tool in our devious plot.
No problem there. He's already performing the role of a tool.
CW
Amanda Tarr
Patriot <pat...@england.co.uk> wrote:
>
[snip]
>short guy from France, (for you Americans France is a
>very high.
Is it true that British men have small wieners?
They never validated that rumor in the curriculum of our second rate
educational system.
Amanda
ps. I'm just kidding, if you didn't pick up on that :) I could care less
about who wins what war or what nationality the winner of the world cup is.
Mad Dog
Amanda Tarr wrote:
>Is it true that British men have small wieners?
>ps. I'm just kidding, if you didn't pick up on that :) I could care
>less about who wins what war or what nationality the winner of the
>world cup is.
Does this imply that you DO care whether Brits have tiny tools?
Mad "I thought it was the French that had Junior Johnsons" Dog
Tim Triche, Jr.
Patriot wrote:
>
<SNIP>
> We had other things to do, we were receiving the unwelcome
> attentions of a short guy from France, (for you Americans France is a
> country in Europe) I know the standard of education in your country
> are not very high.
Yah, I obviously should have attended grammar school across the pond.
No doubt this would have allowed me to construct compact, syntactically
sound sentences such as that which comprises the preceding quote.
This has __?__ to do with climbing.
Phaedrus
Mad Dog wrote:
>
> Amanda Tarr wrote:
>
> >Is it true that British men have small wieners?
>
> >ps. I'm just kidding, if you didn't pick up on that :) I could care
> >less about who wins what war or what nationality the winner of the
> >world cup is.
>
> Does this imply that you DO care whether Brits have tiny tools?
>
I think Amanda has a secret hankering.
Possibly brought on by old photos of Mick Ryan swaggering along the
catwalk.
--
Phaedrus
Hendo
"Patriot" <pat...@england.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I think if you checked, the last engagement ended up with the white house a
>little
>very high.
>
>
Americans burned down what was proto-Toronto (Fort York) and in retaliation we
torched the White House. Given the unmemorable architecture involved, we
probably did each other a favor.
David Henderson
Toronto
Clyde Soles
Amanda Tarr <ta...@Colorado.EDU> wrote:
> Is it true that British men have small wieners?
Can't help you there.
>
> They never validated that rumor in the curriculum of our second rate
> educational system.
I think this was in one of our second-rate school books and may explain
why England and France have been at it for so long:
An elderly French man was slowly walking down a countryside lane,
admiring the beautiful spring day, when over a hedgerow he spotted
a young couple, naked, making love in a field. Getting over his
initial shock he said to himself, "Ah ze young love ...ze spring time,
ze air, ze flowers. c'est magnifique !!", and continued to
watch remembering good times.
>
Suddenly he drew in a gasp and said, "Mais... Sacre bleu!!
Ze woman - she is dead!!", and he hurried along as fast as he
could to the town to tell Albert, the police chief. He came, out
of breath, to the Police Station and shouted, "Albert...Albert
zere is zis man, zis woman ... naked in farmer Gaston's field
making love". The police chief smiled and said; "Come come Henri
you are not so old. Remember ze young love, ze spring time, ze air,
ze flowers, Ah, L'amour! Zis is okay."
>
"Mais non! You do not understand ze woman she is dead!!" Hearing this
Albert leapt out from his seat and rushed out of the station, and, as
the police car was being serviced, he ran down to the field,
confirmed Henri's story, and ran all the way back non-stop to call
the doctor: "Pierre, Pierre, .. this is Albert. I was in Gaston's
field. Zere is a young couple naked 'aving sex " To which Pierre
replied,"Albert, I am a man of science. You must remember, it is
spring, ze air, ze flowers, Ah, L'amour! Zis is very natural" Albert,
still out of breath grasped in reply, "NON, you do not understand ze
woman, she is dead!"
>
Hearing this Pierre shouted, "Mon dieu!", grabbed his black medicine
bag, stuffed in his thermometer, stethoscope, and other tools and
jumped in his car and drove like a madman down to Gaston's field.
Upon getting there he gave the couple a full medical exam and drove
back to Henri and Albert, who were waiting at the Police Station.
He got there, went inside, and smiled patiently at the other two
Frenchmen and said, "Ah, mes amis, do not worry. Ze woman, she
is not dead she is English."
Eric D. Coomer
Phaedrus wrote in message <34EAAB...@NOSPAMdth.scot.nhs.uk>...
>I think Amanda has a secret hankering.
>Possibly brought on by old photos of Mick Ryan swaggering along the
>catwalk.
Does the little puffta Mick swagger, or saunter?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Cheers
Eric
Andrew Gale
> Patriot wrote:
> > We had other things to do, we were receiving the unwelcome
> > attentions of a short guy from France, (for you Americans France is a
> > country in Europe) I know the standard of education in your country
> > are not very high.
I can only assume that you made this statement with this pathetic
grammar and sentence structure on purpose as some deep and sophisticated
joke that we Americans could never hope to understand. Otherwise I must
conclude that you are a total and complete moron. Surely that is not
the case. Is it?
Later, Andy
--
*******************************************************
Andrew Gale The Scripps Research Institute
ag...@scripps.edu La Jolla, CA
*******************************************************
Mad Dog
Clyde Soles wrote:
>Amanda Tarr wrote:
>>Is it true that British men have small wieners?
>Can't help you there.
Actually, Clyde, with your connections, you probably could provide some
insight. Evaluate all current harnesses for "nadiodal volume" (NV),
then check and see which models sell best in the UK. If the small NV
harnesses are the hot sellers, the Brits have microwankii.
Mad "don't bet the farm on it" Dog
MadBolter
"Patriot" <pat...@england.co.uk>wrote:
> I know the standard of education in your country are not very high.
Apparently you aren't too clear on the use of singular verb tense when
forming a sentence with a singular noun. Either that or you can't spell
to begin with. Either way, your point lost all of it's punch. So just
shut yer hole and climb--ya bloody git!
-Rex "GOADS like a butterfly and SPELLS like a bee" Pieper
Phaedrus
Why didn't I reply to the thread about huge harnesses!!!!!!!
--
Phaedrus
Steve Gray
>"Patriot" <pat...@england.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> I know the standard of education in your country are not very high.
England's a company ? Oh shit. When did that happen ?
MadBolter <madb...@aol.com> said...
>Apparently you aren't too clear on the use of singular verb tense when
>forming a sentence with a singular noun. Either that or you can't spell
>to begin with. Either way, your point lost all of it's punch. So just
>shut yer hole and climb--ya bloody git!
A-ha ! A Pedant Point lurks there for me to pick up on. There should be
no apostrophe in "it's" in your third sentence.
However, your correct use of Northern English in the fourth sentence
allows your post to recover from such a monstrous mistake.
--
Steve "What bloody curse ?" Gray
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <6cc4o7$qfd$1...@news.u-net.com>,
"Patriot" <pat...@england.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I'm assuming here that you're British. In which case, what kindof self
> >respecting Brit contents himself with sub standard slander? I mean, if
> you're
> >gonna make fun of me, you oughta go all out and insult! After all, seeing
> as
> >the British couldn't beat us in a war and had to start siding with us, at
> >the least they could maintain pride in their talent for comedy.
>
> little
> tarnished, I.E. burnt to the ground
NO NO NO!!! It was proved to be faulty wiring and we won the lawsuit against
the original contractor in 1972.
, and that was with just 200 soldiers, oh
> and also, your little independance war was won, not throught the skill of
> your traitorous soldiers but because only second class troops were sent to
> the America's. We had other things to do, we were receiving the unwelcome
> attentions of a short guy from France, (for you Americans France is a
> country in Europe) I know the standard of education in your country are not
> very high.
Don't forget King George. The ole' king was suffrin' from that genetic
disease that turned 'is pee dark blue an' made 'is brain all soft and mushy,
making dealing with the upstart American colonists rather a pain for at least
six months. Funny thing is, no one could tell the difference between the
sane George and the insane George.
-Herr Stich
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tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <6ccjn9$j...@lace.colorado.edu>,
ta...@Colorado.EDU (Amanda Tarr) wrote:
>
> Patriot <pat...@england.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >short guy from France, (for you Americans France is a
> >country in Europe) I know the standard of education in your country are not
> >very high.
>
>
> educational system.
>
Yes they did. See?
Bureau of Statistics and Norms 1927
WEINER SIZE COMPARISSON
Country weiner size
1. Brazil average
2. France small, but well-shaped
3. Germany small, but efficient
4. Belgium average and shiny
5. Demark average but somewhat rotten
6. Egypt average
7. UK small
8. USA average
9. Somoa very large
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <19980217030...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
eri...@aol.com (Erik404) wrote:
>
> Amanda wrote:
>
> >3) Silly flamewars involving an attempt at exhibiting intelligence and
wit,
> > while simultaneously calling the other people spineless, dickless
llamas.
>
> Out of compassion, I must warn you that insulting a llama places you in
karmic
> peril.
What? Are you going on again about llamas, Erik?
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <GxUfFJAh...@wcompsys.demon.co.uk>,
Steve Gray <St...@wcompsys.demon.co.uk_xxx> wrote:
>
> Amanda Tarr <ta...@Colorado.EDU> said...
>
> >After all, seeing as
> >the British couldn't beat us in a war and had to start siding with us, at
> >the least they could maintain pride in their talent for comedy.
>
> somebody told us the only non-British whites in North America were
> French.
>
> >I'll have you know, I am a fierce warrior and many have felt the
> >wrath of my sheer power, cunning strategy, and razor sharp reflexes.
> >The Quake GirlZ (my "clan") and I are gonna show the world that a girl
> >can wield a rocket launcher as well as any man out there. :p
>
> Bah. Rocket Launchers. BFGs. Who needs 'em. Just get rid of that fancy
> namby-pampy techo crap and get yourself a rack of hexes.
>
> --
> Steve Gray
Now there would be an interesting proprietary video game for rock climbers.
You beat the crap out of each other with hexes and quick draws with heavy
biners and the ice axes you could throw. You could call the game "Rock Rage"
after the current road rage phenomenon. Of course in the beginning of the
game, you would make some feigned attempt at climbing rock before the melee
begins. Points if you manage to climb the crag AND beat up the other person
with your gear. Some one needs to start writing the code for this gem of an
idea. :-)
crack baby
Patriot wrote:
(for you Americans France is a
> country in Europe) I know the standard of education in your country are not
> very high.
-Crack "damn that pesky subject-verb agreement rule" baby
Inez Drixelius
> Bureau of Statistics and Norms 1927
>
> WEINER SIZE COMPARISSON
>
> Country weiner size
>
> 1. Brazil average
> 2. France small, but well-shaped
> 3. Germany small, but efficient
> 4. Belgium average and shiny
> 5. Demark average but somewhat rotten
> 6. Egypt average
> 7. UK small
> 8. USA average
> 9. Somoa very large
>
> -Herr Stich
I had flamed you in jest before, Herr Stich, but this time I am serious!
You are obnoxious. Do you really think the above is funny? The humorous
contemplation of male size is anything but, it speaks for a small mind
preoccupied with small things. And to equate nationality to anatomy has
racist overtones, which is, in my opinion, never funny. What may sound
okay to you in a boys locker room, doesn't sound okay on a world wide
forum. This is embarrassing. "Wenn unten nichts los ist, kommt eben alles
oben raus." Go get a dictionary and try to figure it out.
--
Inez Drixelius
Berkeley, California
"Real women wear knee pads"
Erik404
Tim Stich wrote:
>What? Are you going on again about llamas, Erik?
(I know Tim in RL, he looks like this---> 8^D )
This is the scoop:
llama = 4 legs, fuzzy
lama = 2 legs, bald
{just looked in Webster's}
Lamas, llamas, shlamas...yea, my spelling sucks but at least I don't have every
nation except Somalia on my ass.
Speaking of people on my ass, I just got my first personal flame 10 minutes ago
from some dude in rec. backcountry (read rec.bearanoia); he sent me this long,
scathing e-mail saying I should never post again. From his language you'd think
I tried to run over his mom (or, worse, insulted his penis size). I thought
junior high was harsh but this newsgroup audience is brutal.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Dan Osman roasting...
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <19980220072...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
eri...@aol.com (Erik404) wrote:
> Speaking of people on my ass, I just got my first personal flame 10 minutes
ago
> from some dude in rec. backcountry (read rec.bearanoia); he sent me this
long,
> scathing e-mail saying I should never post again. From his language you'd
think
> I tried to run over his mom (or, worse, insulted his penis size). I thought
> junior high was harsh but this newsgroup audience is brutal.
Ah, yes. The above could be argued as a true statement, sir.
El Stich
Steve Gray
tst...@tcmail.frco.com said...
>Now there would be an interesting proprietary video game for rock climbers.
>You beat the crap out of each other with hexes and quick draws with heavy
>biners and the ice axes you could throw.
You could accumulate a rack by looting the bodies of your victims, sort
of creating a "shield" around your midsection. Stack enough helmets on
your head and you can survive a rockfall.
>You could call the game "Rock Rage"
>after the current road rage phenomenon.
It's got a nice ring to it.
>Of course in the beginning of the
>game, you would make some feigned attempt at climbing rock before the melee
>begins. Points if you manage to climb the crag AND beat up the other person
>with your gear.
Computer controlled players could rush ahead of you and kick crap down
on your head. You'd get bonus points for managing to persuade their
second to take 'em off belay while you chased after them... the
possibilities are endless.
--
Steve "Who needs Quake ?" Gray
tst...@tcmail.frco.com
In article <inezdrex-190...@goodman5.lsa.berkeley.edu>,
inez...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Inez Drixelius) wrote:
>
> In article <6cierh$3dr$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, tst...@tcmail.frco.com wrote:
>
> > Bureau of Statistics and Norms 1927
> >
> > WEINER SIZE COMPARISSON
> >
> > Country weiner size
> >
> > 1. Brazil average
> > 2. France small, but well-shaped
> > 3. Germany small, but efficient
> > 4. Belgium average and shiny
> > 5. Demark average but somewhat rotten
> > 6. Egypt average
> > 7. UK small
> > 8. USA average
> > 9. Somoa very large
> >
> > -Herr Stich
>
> I had flamed you in jest before, Herr Stich, but this time I am serious!
> You are obnoxious.
Being obnoxious is, of course, something you know nothing about.
> Do you really think the above is funny?
You didn't like the part about Somoa? When do you ever hear about the tiny
island of Somoa in conversation? Pretty rarely, I can tell you that.
The humorous
> contemplation of male size is anything but, it speaks for a small mind
> preoccupied with small things.
And to equate nationality to anatomy has
> racist overtones,
It bears mentioning that my ancestry obviously has at least some Germanic
origin, not to mention French (Mom was named Artigues). Ah, parody doesn't
always please the censors!
> which is, in my opinion, never funny.
Not all things are funny to all people. It's very sad.
What may sound
> okay to you in a boys locker room, doesn't sound okay on a world wide
> forum. This is embarrassing.
This statement from someone who, on this newsgroup, jokingly stated that we
should refer to women's breasts as "tits".
"Wenn unten nichts los ist, kommt eben alles
> oben raus." Go get a dictionary and try to figure it out.
Why bother?
killfile me, then.
-Tim Stich
Andreas Lehnert
In article <19980220072...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
Erik404 <eri...@aol.com> wrote:
>This is the scoop:
>llama = 4 legs, fuzzy
>lama = 2 legs, bald
>{just looked in Webster's}
The one-L lama,
He's a priest.
The two-L llama,
He's a beast.
And I will bet a silk pyjama
There isn't any three-L lllama.
-Ogden Nash
(With transcription errors due to age and drink)
Andreas
--
Andreas Lehnert aar...@hilbert.spc.uchicago.edu
awle...@midway.uchicago.edu
Chicago Climber's Guide:
http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/awlehner/chiclimb.html
kel...@diespammers.net
> I tried to run over his mom (or, worse, insulted his penis size). I thought
> junior high was harsh but this newsgroup audience is brutal.
Yes. I propose we change the name of the newsgroup system to something
that accurately reflects what it is like. How about Abusenet?
-Kelly
DEUCE4
This reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the customer (looking for an
argument) accidentally steps into the abuse room. It takes him a while to
realize what is happening.
Since I began this thread, can I formally end it? It amazes me how any
discussion on the newsgroup generally degrades into folks from all over the
world calling eachother twits and claiming larger member sizes. Dan got a big
kick out of all the comments, though.
Cheers
John Middendorf