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F.O.A.D.
May 21, 2013, 12:37:09 PM5/21/13
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Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) will insist that any federal aid to deal with
the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
“He will ask his colleagues to sacrifice lower priority areas of the
budget to help Oklahoma,” spokesman John Hart said. Should other
Republicans join Coburn, it could set up a fight similar to the January
tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
- - -
Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
state, eh?
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F.O.A.D.
May 21, 2013, 5:45:30 PM5/21/13
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On 5/21/13 5:38 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> I am OK with taking that money out of Oklahoma's slice of the pie.
>
> I do wonder what kind of money your typical Okie pays for insurance.
>
> Here in Florida it can easily be over $5k a year for a fairly modest
> home with a very large deductible in the case of storm damage.
>
>
Oklahoma is in the top three of states requiring federal disaster
assistance. The other two are Texas and California.
I wonder if Oklahoma folks are in some special homeowners' insurance
pool because of their location in tornado alley. Paying more in Florida
or, in fact, right along the east coast, seems reasonable, what with the
frequent hurricanes.
>
> I do wonder what kind of money your typical Okie pays for insurance.
>
> Here in Florida it can easily be over $5k a year for a fairly modest
> home with a very large deductible in the case of storm damage.
>
>
Oklahoma is in the top three of states requiring federal disaster
assistance. The other two are Texas and California.
I wonder if Oklahoma folks are in some special homeowners' insurance
pool because of their location in tornado alley. Paying more in Florida
or, in fact, right along the east coast, seems reasonable, what with the
frequent hurricanes.
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iBoaterer
May 22, 2013, 9:10:30 AM5/22/13
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In article <s3qnp8hb3nc4ph7bc...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
> >budget to help Oklahoma,? spokesman John Hart said. Should other
gfre...@aol.com says...
> >Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) will insist that any federal aid to deal with
> >the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
> >
> >?He will ask his colleagues to sacrifice lower priority areas of the
> >the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
> >
> >budget to help Oklahoma,? spokesman John Hart said. Should other
> >Republicans join Coburn, it could set up a fight similar to the January
> >tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
> >GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
> >
> >- - -
> >
> >Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
> >state, eh?
>
> >tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
> >GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
> >
> >- - -
> >
> >Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
> >state, eh?
>
> I am OK with taking that money out of Oklahoma's slice of the pie.
>
> I do wonder what kind of money your typical Okie pays for insurance.
>
> Here in Florida it can easily be over $5k a year for a fairly modest
> home with a very large deductible in the case of storm damage.
>
Yesterday Scotty said it was all a lie, that no one said that!
>
> I do wonder what kind of money your typical Okie pays for insurance.
>
> Here in Florida it can easily be over $5k a year for a fairly modest
> home with a very large deductible in the case of storm damage.
>
John H
May 22, 2013, 10:07:10 AM5/22/13
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John H
May 22, 2013, 12:46:17 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:35:06 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT), John H
><salmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>When I'm hit with an emergency, the money comes out of the budget. Something else doesn't get funded. Why should the government be any different?
>
>You can't print your own money. (at least without going to jail)
Well, that explains it.
John H.
--
Hope you're having a great day!
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT), John H
><salmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>When I'm hit with an emergency, the money comes out of the budget. Something else doesn't get funded. Why should the government be any different?
>
Well, that explains it.
John H.
--
Hope you're having a great day!
F.O.A.D.
May 22, 2013, 1:12:33 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 12:35 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT), John H
> <salmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT), John H
> <salmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> When I'm hit with an emergency, the money comes out of the budget. Something else doesn't get funded. Why should the government be any different?
>
>
> You can't print your own money. (at least without going to jail)
>
Funny stuff, albeit second hand, from John the Racist. I don't recall
>
him whining about Bush's unfunded wars.
JustWaitAFrekinMinute
May 22, 2013, 1:28:40 PM5/22/13
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unreasonable man. Somebody paid for the bullets and the bombs, thus,
they were funded... but do carry on, spin the pinwheel and repeat your
next "thread starter". LOL!
F.O.A.D.
May 22, 2013, 1:32:37 PM5/22/13
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iBoaterer
May 22, 2013, 2:18:11 PM5/22/13
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In article <kniv0u$bg6$1...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
OMG!!!!! You ARE stupid! Please show where in Bush's budget that there
was monies catagorized for war on Iraq. So, are you saying that Bush
knew when the feds were establishing a budget for his term that he knew
he would send us to Iraq and knew the extent of the wars in the middle
east enough to be able to budget for it?
says...
was monies catagorized for war on Iraq. So, are you saying that Bush
knew when the feds were establishing a budget for his term that he knew
he would send us to Iraq and knew the extent of the wars in the middle
east enough to be able to budget for it?
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iBoaterer
May 22, 2013, 3:13:57 PM5/22/13
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In article <nh5qp85n15tj8gpki...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
> war" in their budget wish list (the real budget comes from the house)
No shit. But Scotty said that Bush's war was funded!
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:18:11 -0400, iBoaterer <iB...@grmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >OMG!!!!! You ARE stupid! Please show where in Bush's budget that there
> >was monies catagorized for war on Iraq. So, are you saying that Bush
> >knew when the feds were establishing a budget for his term that he knew
> >he would send us to Iraq and knew the extent of the wars in the middle
> >east enough to be able to budget for it?
>
> That is a bogus charge. No president includes a line item called "the
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:18:11 -0400, iBoaterer <iB...@grmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >OMG!!!!! You ARE stupid! Please show where in Bush's budget that there
> >was monies catagorized for war on Iraq. So, are you saying that Bush
> >knew when the feds were establishing a budget for his term that he knew
> >he would send us to Iraq and knew the extent of the wars in the middle
> >east enough to be able to budget for it?
>
> war" in their budget wish list (the real budget comes from the house)
No shit. But Scotty said that Bush's war was funded!
amdx
May 22, 2013, 3:54:24 PM5/22/13
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On 5/21/2013 11:37 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
>
>
> Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) will insist that any federal aid to deal with
> the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
>
> �He will ask his colleagues to sacrifice lower priority areas of the
>
>
> Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) will insist that any federal aid to deal with
> the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
>
> budget to help Oklahoma,� spokesman John Hart said. Should other
> Republicans join Coburn, it could set up a fight similar to the January
> tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
> GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
>
> - - -
>
> Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
> state, eh?
Good, the taxpayers have limited funds, they need to be dispensed
> tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
> GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
>
> - - -
>
> Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
> state, eh?
carefully.
We can raise taxes on the oil companies but, that will raise the price
of gasoline.
Remember, corporate taxes are the only way we get tax money from the
47% that don't pay federal income taxes.
Have a great day, Mikek
Eisboch
May 22, 2013, 4:50:27 PM5/22/13
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wrote in message news:nh5qp85n15tj8gpki...@4ax.com...
>OMG!!!!! You ARE stupid! Please show where in Bush's budget that
>there
>was monies catagorized for war on Iraq. So, are you saying that Bush
>knew when the feds were establishing a budget for his term that he
>knew
>he would send us to Iraq and knew the extent of the wars in the
>middle
>east enough to be able to budget for it?
>there
>was monies catagorized for war on Iraq. So, are you saying that Bush
>knew when the feds were establishing a budget for his term that he
>knew
>he would send us to Iraq and knew the extent of the wars in the
>middle
>east enough to be able to budget for it?
That is a bogus charge. No president includes a line item called "the
war" in their budget wish list (the real budget comes from the house)
Wars get buried in that huge slush fund they call "defense".
war" in their budget wish list (the real budget comes from the house)
LBJ was even worse. He put Social Security "on budget" to hide the
cost of his war ... but I don't see democrats bitching about that.
------------------------------------------
Combat operations and funds for natural disaster aid are not part of
any annual federal budget. You can't budget years ahead of time for
things like that.
By federal law, funds for these are approved through a "supplemental
spending bill" which has to be approved by Congress. If you recall,
GWB was routinely asking Congress for additional authorization by
supplemental spending bills to continue operations in Iraq and Iran.
Katrina required supplemental spending authorization, as do any major
natural disasters that require federal aid that is more than normal
budgets for administrative purposes. Obama announced that he would
terminate the supplemental spending in 2009 but then had to change his
mind when he authorized the "surge" in Iran.
JustWaitAFrekinMinute
May 22, 2013, 5:00:41 PM5/22/13
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just like Bushs' war was funded. Again, proving harry, a fucking
pathetic troll with nothing to add but sick political spin...
Eisboch
May 22, 2013, 5:30:24 PM5/22/13
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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Not so sure about where the funding for drone operations come from.
It *might* be contained in the DOD's normal funding via budget.
When I referenced "combat" operations, it was related to boots on the
ground warfare and all the logistics support that it requires.
Drones and their operations may be a different animal altogether.
JustWaitAFrekinMinute
May 22, 2013, 5:57:06 PM5/22/13
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unfunded war. There was no "unfunded" war... funding is funding, war is
war... no real hairs to be split...
iBoaterer
May 23, 2013, 11:08:54 AM5/23/13
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In article <knjeo9$cgi$1...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
Show me the line item then.
says...
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JustWaitAFrekinMinute
May 23, 2013, 2:04:53 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 1:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> It was funded the same way Obamas war (and all wars) are funded. They
> borrow or simply print the money.
>
Yup...
> borrow or simply print the money.
>
Yup...
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iBoaterer
May 23, 2013, 2:26:52 PM5/23/13
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In article <a2msp8pcnsoolp43j...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> It was funded the same way Obamas war (and all wars) are funded. They
> borrow or simply print the money.
Bingo!
> borrow or simply print the money.
iBoaterer
May 23, 2013, 2:29:13 PM5/23/13
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In article <knllgs$r2l$1...@dont-email.me>, justwaitaf...@gmail.com
says...
Yeah, moron, that means it WASN'T. Thanks for making my point that you
were wrong!
says...
were wrong!
Eisboch
May 23, 2013, 2:45:16 PM5/23/13
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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Iboaterer, your posts are like trying to follow a virtual pin ball
machine.
Wayne B
May 23, 2013, 3:09:00 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:00:19 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>Kevin avoids saying Obama has been running the country for over 4
>years without a budget at all. We are just running on continuing
>resolutions.
===
It's a faith based accounting system. :-)
>Kevin avoids saying Obama has been running the country for over 4
>years without a budget at all. We are just running on continuing
>resolutions.
===
It's a faith based accounting system. :-)
iBoaterer
May 23, 2013, 3:09:09 PM5/23/13
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In article <qcmsp8dhbcvk9anun...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
What does that have to do with Scotty's stupid posit that Bush's wars
were "funded"?
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:08:54 -0400, iBoaterer <iB...@grmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> Yes, I get the split hair but I was addressing harrys' bs about some
> >> unfunded war. There was no "unfunded" war... funding is funding, war is
> >> war... no real hairs to be split...
> >
> >Show me the line item then.
>
> You can't even show an Obama era budget so that is simply bullshit.
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:08:54 -0400, iBoaterer <iB...@grmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> Yes, I get the split hair but I was addressing harrys' bs about some
> >> unfunded war. There was no "unfunded" war... funding is funding, war is
> >> war... no real hairs to be split...
> >
> >Show me the line item then.
>
What does that have to do with Scotty's stupid posit that Bush's wars
were "funded"?
Wayne B
May 23, 2013, 3:19:15 PM5/23/13
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Or a loose canon rolling around on deck (note clever introduction of
an "on topic" subject).
F.O.A.D.
May 23, 2013, 3:20:50 PM5/23/13
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Wayne B
May 23, 2013, 4:27:54 PM5/23/13
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Pachabel's Cannon. :-)
Hank©
May 23, 2013, 4:29:55 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 1:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> It was funded the same way Obamas war (and all wars) are funded. They
> borrow or simply print the money.
>
The presses haven't stopped rolling Since Obahmer took the reins.
> borrow or simply print the money.
>
F.O.A.D.
May 23, 2013, 6:01:31 PM5/23/13
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Califbill
Jun 21, 2013, 12:27:41 AM6/21/13
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
news:SpadnTW4KcVmdwbM...@earthlink.com...
On 5/21/13 5:38 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> budget to help Oklahoma,” spokesman John Hart said. Should other
>
> I do wonder what kind of money your typical Okie pays for insurance.
>
> Here in Florida it can easily be over $5k a year for a fairly modest
> home with a very large deductible in the case of storm damage.
>
>
Oklahoma is in the top three of states requiring federal disaster
assistance. The other two are Texas and California.
I wonder if Oklahoma folks are in some special homeowners' insurance
pool because of their location in tornado alley. Paying more in Florida
or, in fact, right along the east coast, seems reasonable, what with the
frequent hurricanes.
----------------
That’s list seems a little odd. Most of our disaster assistance is forest
fires. And OK has had tornados, but cost wise over the years, I would
figure hurricane and flood damage to be top of the list. And that is the
south and midwest.
news:SpadnTW4KcVmdwbM...@earthlink.com...
On 5/21/13 5:38 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:37:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." <no...@jose.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) will insist that any federal aid to deal with
>> the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
>>
>> “He will ask his colleagues to sacrifice lower priority areas of the
>
>>
>>
>> Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) will insist that any federal aid to deal with
>> the tornado in his home state must be offset by budget cuts.
>>
>> budget to help Oklahoma,” spokesman John Hart said. Should other
>> Republicans join Coburn, it could set up a fight similar to the January
>> tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
>> GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
>>
>> - - -
>>
>> Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
>> state, eh?
>
> I am OK with taking that money out of Oklahoma's slice of the pie.
>> tug-of-war over Hurricane Sandy funding. That aid package was delayed by
>> GOP opposition and ultimately passed with mostly Democratic support.
>>
>> - - -
>>
>> Sure, Tom...just eliminate the tax bennies for the oil companies in your
>> state, eh?
>
>
> I do wonder what kind of money your typical Okie pays for insurance.
>
> Here in Florida it can easily be over $5k a year for a fairly modest
> home with a very large deductible in the case of storm damage.
>
>
Oklahoma is in the top three of states requiring federal disaster
assistance. The other two are Texas and California.
I wonder if Oklahoma folks are in some special homeowners' insurance
pool because of their location in tornado alley. Paying more in Florida
or, in fact, right along the east coast, seems reasonable, what with the
frequent hurricanes.
----------------
That’s list seems a little odd. Most of our disaster assistance is forest
fires. And OK has had tornados, but cost wise over the years, I would
figure hurricane and flood damage to be top of the list. And that is the
south and midwest.
slamm...@gmail.com
Jun 21, 2013, 12:34:38 AM6/21/13
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:28:40 PM UTC-4, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
> On 5/22/2013 1:12 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
>
> > On 5/22/13 12:35 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT), John H
>
> >> <salmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> When I'm hit with an emergency, the money comes out of the budget.
>
> >>> Something else doesn't get funded. Why should the government be any
>
> >>> different?
>
> >>
>
> >> You can't print your own money. (at least without going to jail)
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Funny stuff, albeit second hand, from John the Racist. I don't recall
>
> > him whining about Bush's unfunded wars.
>
>
>
> But to suggest the war went "unfunded" is just the rant of an
>
> unreasonable man. Somebody paid for the bullets and the bombs, thus,
>
> they were funded... but do carry on, spin the pinwheel and repeat your
>
> next "thread starter". LOL!
Whatever it stops at. it's STILL fucking garbage.
> On 5/22/2013 1:12 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
>
> > On 5/22/13 12:35 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT), John H
>
> >> <salmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> When I'm hit with an emergency, the money comes out of the budget.
>
> >>> Something else doesn't get funded. Why should the government be any
>
> >>> different?
>
> >>
>
> >> You can't print your own money. (at least without going to jail)
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Funny stuff, albeit second hand, from John the Racist. I don't recall
>
> > him whining about Bush's unfunded wars.
>
>
>
> But to suggest the war went "unfunded" is just the rant of an
>
> unreasonable man. Somebody paid for the bullets and the bombs, thus,
>
> they were funded... but do carry on, spin the pinwheel and repeat your
>
> next "thread starter". LOL!
Whatever it stops at. it's STILL fucking garbage.
F.O.A.D.
Jun 21, 2013, 6:42:21 AM6/21/13
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federal flood insurance available to property owners who live right
along the coastal shorelines on the East Coast and the Gulf of Mexico.
You just *know* what is going to happen there, sooner or later, and
perhaps more than once. Shoreline development should not be encouraged
in areas known to welcome hurricanes.
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Califbill
Jun 21, 2013, 11:53:23 AM6/21/13
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message news:b2ip0d...@mid.individual.net...
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The Russian River here floods regularly. Well gets very high. Flooded
vacation homes along the river. Maybe 20 years ago, the government said no
more disaster relief, build in a flood plane, and you pay for it. Except,
the state legislature was bought and declared a huge area near Sacramento,
not a flood plane. Now when the Feather River levee breaks, the state
taxpayers are on the hook for any damage.
The Russian River here floods regularly. Well gets very high. Flooded
vacation homes along the river. Maybe 20 years ago, the government said no
more disaster relief, build in a flood plane, and you pay for it. Except,
the state legislature was bought and declared a huge area near Sacramento,
not a flood plane. Now when the Feather River levee breaks, the state
taxpayers are on the hook for any damage.
F.O.A.D.
Jun 21, 2013, 12:02:18 PM6/21/13
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On 6/21/13 11:45 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> They should also look at cities and towns that are built in flood
> plains or below sea level.
> They should have never let New Orleans be rebuilt without barging in
> 15-20 feet of dirt. That would have been a lot better use of federal
> money than paying for the next flood. The people in the Mississippi
> river headwaters could have used the work too.
> If Bush had done that, the GOP might have done better in the rust
> belt
>
Do you recall the name Tillie Fowler? She was a long time U.S.
Representative from the Jax area, and made it her lifelong struggle to
get more and more shoreline on the ocean and ICW be eligible for federal
flood insurance. She's not the only congresscritter who did this, of
course, but she was *always* involved in doing that sort of thing for
developers.
I thought New Orleans should have been razed, and then rebuilt north of
Lake Pontchartrain. We all know it is going to be underwater *again*.
Are you talking about making the levees 20 feet higher? Good
infrastructure work!
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:42:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." <no...@jose.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> My personal favorite in government and insurance stupidity is in making
>> federal flood insurance available to property owners who live right
>> along the coastal shorelines on the East Coast and the Gulf of Mexico.
>> You just *know* what is going to happen there, sooner or later, and
>> perhaps more than once. Shoreline development should not be encouraged
>> in areas known to welcome hurricanes.
>
> I agree completely. This is just another welfare program for the rich.
>
>
>>
>> My personal favorite in government and insurance stupidity is in making
>> federal flood insurance available to property owners who live right
>> along the coastal shorelines on the East Coast and the Gulf of Mexico.
>> You just *know* what is going to happen there, sooner or later, and
>> perhaps more than once. Shoreline development should not be encouraged
>> in areas known to welcome hurricanes.
>
> They should also look at cities and towns that are built in flood
> plains or below sea level.
> They should have never let New Orleans be rebuilt without barging in
> 15-20 feet of dirt. That would have been a lot better use of federal
> money than paying for the next flood. The people in the Mississippi
> river headwaters could have used the work too.
> If Bush had done that, the GOP might have done better in the rust
> belt
>
Do you recall the name Tillie Fowler? She was a long time U.S.
Representative from the Jax area, and made it her lifelong struggle to
get more and more shoreline on the ocean and ICW be eligible for federal
flood insurance. She's not the only congresscritter who did this, of
course, but she was *always* involved in doing that sort of thing for
developers.
I thought New Orleans should have been razed, and then rebuilt north of
Lake Pontchartrain. We all know it is going to be underwater *again*.
Are you talking about making the levees 20 feet higher? Good
infrastructure work!
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