OT: George Bush attacks poverty
jps
with lip service crafted by Karl Rove.
These are evil, self-centered men who care not for anyone outside their
status or level of influence. The American citizenry can just go fuck
themselves as far as this administration is concerned.
In fact, they're helping us fuck ourselves every day.
We voted them into office and we're getting what we deserve.
jps
Bush's Pledge? The Joke's on the Poor
By BOB HERBERT
I might have started laughing if the subject weren't so serious. Who in
their right mind - liberal, moderate, Rotarian, contrarian - could have
possibly thought that George W. Bush and his G.O.P. Wild Bunch (Dick
Cheney, Karl Rove, Tom DeLay et al.) had suddenly seen the light
("Eureka! We've been wrong!") and become serious about engaging the
problem of poverty in America?
The article noted that some liberal activists had hoped that the
extraordinary suffering caused by Hurricane Katrina might lead to a
genuine effort by the administration and Congress to address such
important poverty-related matters as health care, housing, employment
and race.
After all, the president himself had gone on national television from
the French Quarter of the stricken city of New Orleans and promised
"bold action."
"As all of us saw on television," said Mr. Bush, "there is also some
deep, persistent poverty in this region as well. That poverty has roots
in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from
the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with
bold action. So let us restore all that we have cherished from
yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality."
I assumed that most people watching the president realized that he was
deeply embedded in a Karl Rove moment. The speech was a carefully
scripted, meticulously staged performance designed primarily to halt the
widespread criticism of Mr. Bush's failure to respond more quickly to
the tragedy.
As the president spoke, it never occurred to me that anyone would buy
into the notion that Mr. Bush and his supporters would actually do
something about poverty and racism. Someone who believed that could
probably be persuaded to make a bid on eBay to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
Mr. Bush is the standard-bearer par excellence of his party's efforts to
redistribute the bounty of the U.S. from the bottom up, not the other
way around. This is no longer a matter of dispute. Mr. Bush may not be
the greatest commander in chief. And he may not be adept at sidestepping
the land mines of language. ("I promise you I will listen to what has
been said here, even though I wasn't here.") But if there's one thing
the president has been good at, it has been funneling money to the rich.
The suffering wrought by Katrina hasn't changed that at all.
One of the first things the president did in the aftermath of Katrina
was to poke his finger in the eyes of struggling workers by suspending
the requirements of the Davis-Bacon Act in the storm-ravaged areas.
Passed during the Great Depression, the law requires contractors on
federally funded construction projects to pay at least the prevailing
wage in the region.
This is one more way of taking money from the working poor and handing
it to the wealthy. A construction laborer in New Orleans who would
ordinarily be paid about $9 an hour, the prevailing wage in the city,
can now be paid less. So much for the president's commitment to fighting
poverty.
Poverty has steadily increased under President Bush, even as
breathtaking riches (think tax cuts, cronyism, war profiteering, you
name it) have been heaped upon those who were already wealthy. Class
divisions are hardening, and economic inequality continues to increase
dramatically.
Mr. Bush's political posturing (his speeches, his endless trips to the
Gulf Coast) is not meant to serve as a beacon of hope for the
downtrodden. It is a message to middle-class voters, who have become
increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were appalled by
the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible suffering that followed
Hurricane Katrina.
The man who campaigned as a compassionate conservative and then turned
the federal government into a compassion-free zone is all but handing
out press releases that say, "I care."
He cares all right. About his poll ratings. In the end, much of the
money to help lower-income victims of the recent storms will most likely
be siphoned from existing, badly needed and already underfunded programs
to help the poor and near-poor.
A real effort to fight poverty and combat discrimination? From this
regime? You must be joking.
jps
says...
> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
>
> > The man who campaigned as a compassionate conservative and then turned
> > the federal government into a compassion-free zone is all but handing
> > out press releases that say, "I care."
>
Except he did something about it.
This is the lip service president who'll say anything Karl Rove tells
him to.
Guess what?
The country has finally decided to wake up and smell the coffee.
Dumya's ratings are in the toilet and he's handing the dems the best
opportunity the could hope for.
Let's see whether the dem party can bring anything worthwhile to the
role of worthy opponent. I have my doubts.
jps
jps
> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were appalled by
> > the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible suffering that followed
> > Hurricane Katrina.
>
> he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
I figured you for a white cracker.
Do you fly the confederate flag? Mourn for the south and the old ways?
Lots of you idiots in Charlotte...
jps
> > was to poke his finger in the eyes of struggling workers by suspending
> > the requirements of the Davis-Bacon Act in the storm-ravaged areas.
> > Passed during the Great Depression
>
> 21st century" now wants to hang its hat on some unconstitutional socialist
> claptrap passed in the early decades of the 20th.
You prefer the age of Madison where the gentry run the country in the
interest of themselves?
You'll still be drinkin' beer and watching nascar while they put your
progeny (if anyone has agree to do such a stupid thing with you) in debt
up to their fuckin' ears.
jps
jps
> > redistribute the bounty of the U.S. from the bottom up, not the other
> > way around.
>
> government thievery, rather than endorsing some forms of it whilst
> simultaneously condemning other forms.
Tobacco subsidies for instance?
jps
jps
> > extraordinary suffering caused by Hurricane Katrina might lead to a
> > genuine effort by the administration and Congress to address such
> > important poverty-related matters as health care, housing, employment
> > and race.
>
> to the Constitution of the United States.
Setting the country's sites on worthy goals is certainly the domain of
the president.
Unfortunately, words are all he's willing to invest. God forbid he
actually called on the congress to pass legislation that'd help in any
way.
That might get in the way of permanent tax relief for the super wealthy.
jps
jps
> > breathtaking riches (think tax cuts, cronyism, war profiteering, you
> > name it) have been heaped upon those who were already wealthy. Class
> > divisions are hardening, and economic inequality continues to increase
> > dramatically.
>
> identically truthful statement.
Talkin' out your ass.
thunder
> Funny how the party that ran on the theme of "building a bridge to the
> 21st century" now wants to hang its hat on some unconstitutional socialist
> claptrap passed in the early decades of the 20th. That party is the same
> one, of course, which loves to explain away the gutting of basic
> Constitutional protections (see: Kelo v. New London) by calling the
> Constitution an "evolving" document one minute, an "antiquated" one the
> next.
Funny how you want to blame one party for this embarrassment. I'd point
out that 3 of the 5 affirming justices, were Republican appointments.
I'd also point out that 8 states have laws banning eminent domain for
economic development, and, since this ruling, an additional 22 states are
considering such laws. Six more states, mine included, are considering
constitutional amendments to prohibit same. Many of these states are
"blue" states. I think most Americans would agree that this ruling was a
travesty, but before blaming the "liberal" courts, remember 7 of the 9
justices are Republican appointments.
atl_...@yahoo.com
> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were appalled by
> > the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible suffering that followed
> > Hurricane Katrina.
>
> he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
First, you're an ignorant racist asshole. Secondly, how to hell was the
mayor supposed to NOT "let the 500 buses get flooded"???? Did he
actually have the ability to stop the levees from breaking? This has
been the right wing spin of their failure, those buses. One trouble
with that spin. The city was EVACUATING. People were either in transit,
or in the dome. Who to hell was supposed to drive them????
Jeff Rigby
<atl_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There was no planning for a levee failure. Why were hospital emergency
generators in basements, why do you leave city property, 8 million in city
buses, to be totaled by floodwater? No forethought, no planning!
One thing that might help, in times of local emergency liability laws should
work differently. IF a manager makes a good faith effort to save the busses
by hiring drivers off the street to get these buses to high ground and
doesn't knowingly hire idiots with bad driving records he should be immune
from liability claims in the courts if one of those drivers injures someone.
Medical costs yes, punitive liability no. That might make a difference.
jps
> news:MPG.1db79c93d...@news.seanet.com:
> > In article <Xns96EE1445A9...@66.26.32.9>, fr...@sinatra.com
> > says...
> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >>
> >> > The man who campaigned as a compassionate conservative and then
> >> > turned the federal government into a compassion-free zone is all
> >> > but handing out press releases that say, "I care."
> >>
> >> "I feel your pain" was already taken.
> >
> > Except he did something about it.
>
And you were still drinkin' beer watching nascar and worshiping the
confederate flag.
jps
> news:MPG.1db7a0918...@news.seanet.com:
If you had said something that could be construed as a point of view, I
would have responded with something in kind?
You didn't.
jps
says...
> atl_...@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1129207342....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > OlBlueEyes wrote:
> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >>
> >> > It is a message to middle-class voters, who have become
> >> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were
> >> > appalled by the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible
> >> > suffering that followed Hurricane Katrina.
> >>
> >> As opposed to Ray Nigger, who told us he "needed 500 buses" only
> >> because he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
> >
> > First, you're an ignorant racist asshole.
>
You're a white cracker. Chris Rock can say the n word. You can't.
> > Secondly, how to hell was
> > the mayor supposed to NOT "let the 500 buses get flooded"????
>
> Uh, how about put the key in the ignition and turn?
>
> > Who to hell was supposed to drive them????
>
> It's Ray Nagin's JOB to answer that question.
You'd have let them all drown. Too busy watchin' nascar.
jps
jps
> news:MPG.1db79f8bf...@news.seanet.com:
> > In article <Xns96EE120621...@66.26.32.9>, fr...@sinatra.com
> > says...
> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >>
> >> > The article noted that some liberal activists had hoped that the
> >> > extraordinary suffering caused by Hurricane Katrina might lead to a
> >> > genuine effort by the administration and Congress to address such
> >> > important poverty-related matters as health care, housing,
> >> > employment and race.
> >>
> >> Too bad not one of those matters is under federal jurisdiction
> >> according to the Constitution of the United States.
> >
> > Setting the country's sites on worthy goals is certainly the domain of
> > the president.
>
> few trillion bucks out of the pockets of the productive into the hands of
> those who are not.
90% of those who are poor are WORKING POOR.
Pull your head out of your ass and take a look around.
jps
jps
> news:MPG.1db79f126...@news.seanet.com:
Well then, I don't hear you screaming about stopping those subsidies.
It sounds like you've found your lot in life.
jps
jps
> news:MPG.1db79ef18...@news.seanet.com:
> apparently YOU prefer it too.
That's because under Madison no one other than gentry would have
anything to use as collateral for debt.
Virtual slavery. You wouldn't mind, as long as the powerful were white.
jps
atl_...@yahoo.com
Jeff Rigby wrote:
> <atl_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1129207342....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > OlBlueEyes wrote:
> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >>
> >> > It is a message to middle-class voters, who have become
> >> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were appalled by
> >> > the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible suffering that followed
> >> > Hurricane Katrina.
> >>
> >> As opposed to Ray Nigger, who told us he "needed 500 buses" only because
> >> he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
> >
> > First, you're an ignorant racist asshole. Secondly, how to hell was the
> > mayor supposed to NOT "let the 500 buses get flooded"???? Did he
> > actually have the ability to stop the levees from breaking? This has
> > been the right wing spin of their failure, those buses. One trouble
> > with that spin. The city was EVACUATING. People were either in transit,
> > or in the dome. Who to hell was supposed to drive them????
> >
>
> There was no planning for a levee failure.
Why were hospital emergency
> generators in basements, why do you leave city property, 8 million in city
> buses, to be totaled by floodwater? No forethought, no planning!
Hospitals are private entities, they can do what they want. Remember,
the right wing doesn't want the government intruding on private
business. Now, do you really think that they should have gotten every
single piece of city equipment out? Police cars, buses, firetrucks,
ambulances, dumb trucks, street sweepers, etc???? That would take a
month! So, if you see a hurricane form off the coast of Africa, then
Nagin should have evacuated THEN???
atl_...@yahoo.com
OlBlueEyes wrote:
> atl_...@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1129207342....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >>
> >> > It is a message to middle-class voters, who have become
> >> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were
> >> > appalled by the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible
> >> > suffering that followed Hurricane Katrina.
> >>
> >> As opposed to Ray Nigger, who told us he "needed 500 buses" only
> >> because he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
> >
> > First, you're an ignorant racist asshole.
>
>
> > Secondly, how to hell was
> > the mayor supposed to NOT "let the 500 buses get flooded"????
>
WHO? You dumb ass, there wasn't anybody THERE, they were EVACUATED,
remember?
>
> > Who to hell was supposed to drive them????
>
> It's Ray Nagin's JOB to answer that question.
Why?
P Fritz
"OlBlueEyes" <fr...@sinatra.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EE120621...@66.26.32.9...
> > extraordinary suffering caused by Hurricane Katrina might lead to a
> > genuine effort by the administration and Congress to address such
> > important poverty-related matters as health care, housing, employment
> > and race.
>
> Too bad not one of those matters is under federal jurisdiction according
> to the Constitution of the United States.
help the poor.....like the liebrals did in d.c.????
http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20051013-121940-9402r.htm
Jeff Rigby
<atl_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Most of the equipment should be parked in lots that are above the flood
level. Car dealerships made arangements to park their inventory in parking
garages, other than looting and theft by "police" of these vehicles they
were above flood level. City cars could have been parked in these garages.
jps
> news:MPG.1db81fd25...@news.seanet.com:
> country in the world.
Do you understand the phrase "cost of living?" Understand "living
wage?"
Minimum US federal wage would be a fortune in India.
jps
jps
says...
> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.1db81f968...@news.seanet.com:
>
> > In article <Xns96EE655BB1...@66.26.32.9>, fr...@sinatra.com
> > says...
> >> atl_...@yahoo.com wrote in
> >> news:1129207342....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > OlBlueEyes wrote:
> >> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > It is a message to middle-class voters, who have become
> >> >> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were
> >> >> > appalled by the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible
> >> >> > suffering that followed Hurricane Katrina.
> >> >>
> >> >> As opposed to Ray Nigger, who told us he "needed 500 buses" only
> >> >> because he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
> >> >
> >> > First, you're an ignorant racist asshole.
> >>
> >> Listen to Chris Rock.
> >
> > You're a white cracker. Chris Rock can say the n word. You can't.
>
> else says "there are niggers", it's false? How is the same statement true
> and false at the same time?
I don't think you can use that term without knowing someone. You don't
know Ray Nagin and you're not close enough to understand what it's like
to walk in his shoes.
Few people have ever had to deal with the magnitude of effort he was
expected to pull off.
Calloused Bush just sat there watchin' TV.
jps
> news:MPG.1db81e4d2...@news.seanet.com:
Seriously doubt it affected your lifestyle. I'll bet your lifestyle
under Bush has taken a hit.
You doin' better under Bush than you were under Clinton?
Most of us aren't.
jps
PocoLoco
And to top off the duties associated with being mayor, which he couldn't handle,
the city was then hit with a hurricane. He, of course, couldn't read or exercise
the plans already in existence.
--
John H
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
P. Fritz
> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.1db81fd25...@news.seanet.com:
other
> country in the world.
The fact is that the "poverty level" is constantly being raised........so
that about the lowest 20% of income earners will always be below the
"poverty level"
Bill McKee
"jps" <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in message
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Now you understand who we are competing against.
P. Fritz
"PocoLoco" <PocoL...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And of course, the brain dead liebrals still cannot comprehend the meaning
of the U.S. Constitution
Bill McKee
"P. Fritz" <paulfrit...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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Seems as if there are also Conservatives who still cannot comprehend the
meaning of the U.S. Constitution.
P Fritz
"Bill McKee" <bmcke...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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I agree.........and many of them work inside "the beltway"
>
>
Jeff Rigby
"Bill McKee" <bmcke...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> meaning of the U.S. Constitution
>> >
>> > "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant:
>> It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
>> >
>> > Ronald Reagan
>
> Seems as if there are also Conservatives who still cannot comprehend the
> meaning of the U.S. Constitution.
>
charge and they have to ask for and it's assumed direct the aid efforts. In
this case aid was asked for but no specifics or direction was provided.
FEMA informed the governors office on supplies that were available, location
and how long they would take to arrive. Nothing was done with this
information. First responders like the Red Cross were mobilized and ready
to act but were told that they were NOT to provide support to the convention
center by the Governors office.
atl_...@yahoo.com
Harry Krause wrote:
Nah, Harry, it's a lemming thing! They'll blindly goose step to their
party over the cliff. Every time!
atl_...@yahoo.com
To get the people in the shelters out.
>
> Why did anyone die if people were evacuated?
Some refused to go, others were in shelters.
>
> Why were thousands holed up in the Superdome if people were evacuated?
They were evacuated to the superdome, you nitwit!
>
> Your claim that everyone was gone is absolutely preposterous and not even
> the people who support your arguments on other subjects can possibly agree
> with you here.
There were looters left, infirm people left, and some who refused to
go. Out of those, who was going to go get already flooded buses, get
them running, and then drive through streets already under 10' of water
to get those that refused to go??? Talk about preposterous!
atl_...@yahoo.com
>
> > In article <Xns96EE142799...@66.26.32.9>, fr...@sinatra.com
> > says...
> >> jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
> >> news:MPG.1db784d05...@news.seanet.com:
> >>
> >> > It is a message to middle-class voters, who have become
> >> > increasingly disturbed by the president's policies and were
> >> > appalled by the fact that he seemed unmoved by the terrible
> >> > suffering that followed Hurricane Katrina.
> >>
> >> As opposed to Ray Nigger, who told us he "needed 500 buses" only
> >> because he himself let the 500 buses he already had get flooded.
> >
> >
> > Do you fly the confederate flag? Mourn for the south and the old
> > ways?
> >
> > Lots of you idiots in Charlotte...
>
> Listen to some Chris Rock
Great, that's a start. You're admitting to having the same brain power
as Chris Rock...... enough said, thank you for playing.
P Fritz
"OlBlueEyes" <fr...@sinatra.com> wrote in message
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> atl_...@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1129307473.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> Well at least you admit you were wrong in saying "they were EVACUATED".
>
> >>
> >> Why did anyone die if people were evacuated?
> >
> > Some refused to go, others were in shelters.
>
> Well, can't blame the deaths of those who refused to go on anyone except
> themselves.
>
> >> Why were thousands holed up in the Superdome if people were
> >> evacuated?
> >
> > They were evacuated to the superdome, you nitwit!
>
> Moving from one site to another in the same city does not constitute an
> "evacuation".
>
> >> Your claim that everyone was gone is absolutely preposterous and not
> >> even the people who support your arguments on other subjects can
> >> possibly agree with you here.
> >
> > There were looters left, infirm people left, and some who refused to
> > go. Out of those, who was going to go get already flooded buses, get
> > them running, and then drive through streets already under 10' of
> > water to get those that refused to go??? Talk about preposterous!
>
> Uh, the job of Nagin was to get the buses BEFORE they were "already
> flooded". Remember, hurricanes travel at 15mph max over water, slower
> over land. Even an old three-on-a-tree can outrun them, had the mayor
> made a simple phone call.
jps
says...
> For the record, consider:
>
> Federal funds given to Galveston, TX for rebuilding after the 1900
> hurricane: zero dollars.
>
> Federal funds given to Chicago, IL for rebuilding after the 1871 fire:
> zero dollars.
>
> Federal funds given to San Francisco, CA for rebuilding after the 1906
> earthquake: zero dollars.
>
> Seeing those three cities rebuild themselves without the whining, mewling
> entitlement mentality projected by Ray Nagin et al: priceless.
Federal funds to rebuild Trent Lott's vacation home: whatever the fuck
he wants.
Priceless.
jps
PocoLoco
>jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in
>news:MPG.1db9b2d22...@news.seanet.com:
>Yet another classic example of socialist stupidity:
>
>First, demand a nanny-state abdication-of-personal-responsibility
>government boondoggle like subsidized flood insurance, then spew venom
>when someone for whom you harbor hysterical contempt uses it.
There's nothing two-faced about that, is there?
jps
> news:MPG.1db9b2d22...@news.seanet.com:
>
> First, demand a nanny-state abdication-of-personal-responsibility
> government boondoggle like subsidized flood insurance, then spew venom
> when someone for whom you harbor hysterical contempt uses it.
Socialist stupidity? Oh yeah, you mean because social democracies have
as part of their charter to maintain basic human rights. Did you know
that our form of government is called a liberal democracy?
So, if it's social tomfoolery, why hasn't your Republican led we-care-
about-you-right-up-until-you're-born congress done anything about it in
the past 10 years?
I'm not spewing venom, I think subsidizing stupidity if foolish. The
people who build houses on the east coast of sand should suffer the
consequences when they fail, or be responsible for providing their own
damned insurance on the open market. Same for idiots who purchase
crappy construction in your part of the country.
Same for tobacco farmers, corn growers, milk producers, etc. Let the
market determine the price and let them survive as businesses have had
to for 100's of years.
Let's ditch illegal immigrant labor while we're at it. We'll have to pay
enough of a wage to have Americans pick fruits and vegetables, but
that's going to cost more too. Of course, in order to afford the
increased price of food, the minimum wage is going to have to go up,
whether by law or practice. And Republicans will argue for letting the
market determine the wage but do nothing about the illegals leaking into
the country.
It's a game. There's no one party to blame. It's pork for all who have
enough political capital to get their "share."
Subsidies are a well-meaning opportunity that provided temporary fixes
or smooth out market lumpiness, but, like anything that becomes
institutional, they've had a hard time undoing or adapting the one's
that have strayed off course -- because the market and the participants
have adapted to their availability -- and changes would cause havoc,
both monetary and political.
Pull the rug out and you'll see a Rube Goldberg of a system collapse on
itself, from higher basic costs of living, more people falling into
poverty and more businesses failing, putting lots more out of work. How
do you propose we prevent the house of cards from falling?
jps
PocoLoco
>Let's ditch illegal immigrant labor while we're at it. We'll have to pay
>enough of a wage to have Americans pick fruits and vegetables, but
>that's going to cost more too. Of course, in order to afford the
>increased price of food, the minimum wage is going to have to go up,
>whether by law or practice. And Republicans will argue for letting the
>market determine the wage but do nothing about the illegals leaking into
>the country.
>jps
Good idea. The minimum wage won't have to go up because of the reduced supply of
cheap labor. Wages will rise of their own accord, which is why the price of food
will go up in the first place.
--
John H
"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
thunder
> I don't know what the solution is other than just collapsing the economy
> on purpose just to reset the relative values of everything.
Nor do I know the solution. We have become so entwined economically with
foreign labor, but let's hope someone comes up with a better solution than
collapsing the economy. ;-)
thunder
> A partial solution is obvious. We need to re-energize and re-invent
> manufacturing here, with tariffs on imported goods used to subsidize new
> manufacturing plants until they can get up to speed.
I don't think it is possible at this late date, to untangle from the
global economy and, while I would prefer to have a manufacturing base
here, with robotics and various technologies, I think manufacturing may be
a limited end. What I find most troubling about this whole outsourcing
thing, is, with our tax structure, we seem to be determined to give our
wealth away. For the life of me, I can't see the return.
It's also the uncertainty of where it will end. It's a freight train with
no destination. It's also knowing we are pushing the limits of this small
planet. I have a strong feeling this consumer paradigm is coming to an
abrupt end.
John Cairns
"thunder" <thunder...@gti.net> wrote in message
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http://tinylink.com/?R90HKjJM3G
The author of this book refers to it as the "shareholder" paradigm. Very
interesting book, good explanation of how the global system for
manufacturing works, with real life examples. The author also believes that
without some government regulation, the system will come crashing down due
to it's inherent flaws.
John Cairns
thunder
> http://tinylink.com/?R90HKjJM3G
>
> The author of this book refers to it as the "shareholder" paradigm. Very
> interesting book, good explanation of how the global system for
> manufacturing works, with real life examples. The author also believes
> that without some government regulation, the system will come crashing
> down due to it's inherent flaws.
I'll pick up the book. This touches on another thing, I've never
understood, the fear of government regulation. I'm all for free markets,
but taken to their ultimate extreme, they often conflict with human needs.
It seems to me, government regulation is a needed check in the balance.
As voters, it's our duty to keep government in check. If the system gets
out of balance, in any direction, it's broken.
Don White
maximize their earnings before a big bust hits. those people can go
live anywhere. If the USA/Canada go down the tubes, they will live like
kings somewhere else.