A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
Bert Robbins
on whether it is worth breaking into or not. I don't let any body pedaling
wares into my house, even if it is below freezing outside.
Thanks
Bert
Marcus G Bell <be...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> Igor (ig...@Algebra.Com) wrote:
>
> > They then said that I should be an independent thinker, a leader
> > and not a follower and buy their cleaning solution. They said
> > that they spent so much time on me that I should be ashamed that
> > I was not buying it.
>
> > At that point I told them to please leave my property.
>
> It sounds like they got what they asked for, even if it wasn't
> what they wanted.
>
> The unthinking follower might have bought their stuff. The
> independent thinker knows value and is unswayed by the hard sell.
> The leader directs the unwanted intruder to the property line.
>
>
> -- -- Marcus. ( be...@mail.med.upenn.edu )
hkr...@capu.net
>
> > if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> >home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> >really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> >apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed......
>
> I've had similiar experiences from time to time regarding young people, from
> out of state selling some bogus cleaning solution for a huge markup. They
> usually show up in the spring and go from state to state. IT IS A SCAM!!!
When we first moved to Jax, we rented a house in a nice neighborhood for a year.
It was in a middle class subdivision. Two or three times a week, rigidly
right-wing proselytizing "Christians" would come knocking at the door, hoping to
get us to join one of their extreme fundamentalist churches. They were very
pushy and inquisitive and would not take no for an answer. In their own way,
they were more obnoxious than the salespeople Igor encountered. We also were
visited by some elderly Seventh Day Adventist ladies and some black Baptists,
all of whom were charming and cordial and even, dare I say it, fun.
I think the fundamentalists finally got the picture about us when I started a
very public campaign to remove their churches as polling places in secular
elections. The polling place for our precinct was in an overblown extremist
church and to get to the voting booths, you had to pass hallways posted with
propaganda about "right to life," and urging women to stay home, barefoot and
pregnant, basically. I thought the atmosphere a totally obnoxious intrusion of
their church upon my state and said so. Got the precinct polling place changed
to the local firehouse, which is where it should have been. After that, the
"visits" tapered off.
--
Harry Krause
------------
"A cult is a religion with no political power." -- Wolfe
MrFixit
a stain on our carpet behind the toilet. Then when he tried the high
pressure sell she said to spend that much money she would have to call
me,(She can make these decisions on her own, but she likes to play to
sometimes). She called knowing I would say no, when she talks to me he was
saying in the background "can't you make decisions for yourself", "I bet he
keeps you barefoot and pregnant too." That last one set my wife off. She is
very sweet until pissed off. She hangs up on me and starts into him. From
what she told me later, his tail was firmly tucked between his legs as he
beat feet out of the neighborhood. I've had one of those tongue lashings,
you only get her that pissed once.
--
MrFixit
Money can't buy happiness, but, it can buy the kind of misery I prefer
"Igor" <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
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> I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>
> Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
> you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
> married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
> independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> ashamed that I was not buying it.
>
> At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
>
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Poopster Pantzzzzz
>I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
>home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
>really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
>apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
>well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
>that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
>$33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
Igor,
These days I just don't answer the door when it is someone I don't
know. It sounds bad but there are so many robberies and such going
on.
Occasionally the kids will answer the door and I have to go to the
door and as soon as I see it is a salesperson I just the door in their
face. I know it is rude but they are intruding on my time and they
showed up at MY door uninvited. Usually I am painting or sculpting or
doing something where I really can't come to the door. I really don't
want the kids answering the door if they don't know the person but
sometimes they do.
Poopie Pants
RGrew176
>I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
>home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
>really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
>apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
>well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
>that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
>$33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>
>Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
>you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
>able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
>were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
>since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
>became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
>married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
>married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
>independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
>solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
>ashamed that I was not buying it.
>
>At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
>pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
>way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
>
>***********************************************************************
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>Solve: x^2+4x+3=0 Plot: y=3*sin(x^2) Factor: x^4-1 Post problems
> http://www.algebra.com
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
No, not at all. I hate any kind of "high pressure" selling.
Marcus G Bell
> They then said that I should be an independent thinker, a leader
> and not a follower and buy their cleaning solution. They said
> that they spent so much time on me that I should be ashamed that
> I was not buying it.
> At that point I told them to please leave my property.
It sounds like they got what they asked for, even if it wasn't
RBStern
>pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
>way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
Igor, they were scamming you and you did not fall for it. Good for you. Do
not feel guilty. Sounds like they need to be working at a stock brokerage
sweatshop.
Warn your neighbors about them, and think about reporting them to the Better
Business Bureau if they gave you any names or printed info.
If they needed charity, they should have asked for charity, instead of
insulting you and trying to goad you.
Don't know where you live, but here in the Atlanta area, you can earn $8.50 an
hour at the local convenience mart. And they have a management training
program. So, if the economy is similar where you are, there are lots of jobs
where, if you can read and write, are willing to work HARD, you can get by
without trying to take from others, and maybe move out of entry level
employment.
Chalk it up to experience and move on.
-- Rich Stern
CAPTHFD3
>home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
>really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
I've had similiar experiences from time to time regarding young people, from
out of state selling some bogus cleaning solution for a huge markup. They
usually show up in the spring and go from state to state. IT IS A SCAM!!!
They're probably not licensed in your town to go door to door in the first
place and you would be doing your fellow townspeople a favor it you called the
police and let them know that these "salespersons" are in the area and
harassing people. Don't worry about hurting the young ladies feelings by the
way, you're lucky you didn't let them in or they might have cleaned you out.
Don.
TYounger
You should have threatened to call the police after the first time you
said no. By the way, a product sell sounds like a great way to case a
place for robbery.
Just about two weeks ago this girl showed up at my door *really* pushing
children's books. I wanted to get rid of her the fastest way possible,
so I said "We don't have children" from my front door from which
Tristan's room is clearly visible - And then proceeded to get into my car
with the child seat in the back, lol. Oh well.
Tamara
> Igor said...
> I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>
> Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
> you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
> married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
> independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> ashamed that I was not buying it.
>
> At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
--
It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw. -Calvin
Fred
glad you posted that because it happened to me too. You were probably
"hurt" by it more than me because it was two young girls who assaulted
you personally...in my case I was visited by a jovial young black male
who put the high pressure tactics on me. He looked to be wearing
somebody else's nice clothes as they didn't fit. He tried to build me
up by complimenting me, my car, my home, blah blah blah and then told
me about his cleaning product he called "Pump It" or something like
that..."cleans anything, a n y t h i n g!" He told me it was $32.00 a
bottle but that it was concentrated and I was supposed to mix it down
w/ water to make "16 full bottles" so in reality it was "cheap."
Being that I respect a person who *is trying* to make a living in ways
other than stealing, dealing drugs, etc., AND that I did door-to-door
sales as a young boy, I told this guy I respected what he was doing
but that I wasn't interested at that price...that maybe I would pay
him $10.00 for this stuff to help him out...but no more and that's
that.
<boating relevance begins here>
Using his high-pressure tactics, he impatiently started in with "Aw
man if you can afford that boat sitting in the driveway I know you got
$32.00 man, GIVE ME 32.00!"
So here is where I started having fun with this guy. He is primed and
ready to demonstrate how great his product is to me. He is willing to
clean *anything* for me....so I take him to my boat sitting on the
trailer (hehehe). There is a white rubber smear on the fiberglass
from an encounter w/ a dock rub rail. This "salesman" mistakes it for
a stain and sprays this stuff on to clean it off. Ha! No Dice. LOL.
I said to him, "Hmmm why should I buy this stuff?" He got flustered.
I have him spray the stuff on some leaf stains in the fiberglass deck
and let him polish for a couple minutes....little to no improvement
was evident. "Why should I buy this stuff?" Next, I showed him
Aluminum corrosion (giggling to myself)...no improvement, nada.
Finally, he jumps off my boat in frustration and starts spraying my
driveway showing me how it makes the cement white again...I say no way
again.
Then he started talking again about how I should just give him the
money. I had a faint sense of being held-up because of his impatient
tone. I said NO! After his last "Aww Man" he said "Well, at least
give me a soda, it's hot out here...you got any soda?" he demanded (I
would've probably asked for water). I gave him a Coke.
When I asked him what the secret ingredient was he foolishly gave me
the answer- citrus-based solvent. You can buy a million products
containing that agent. HA!! He finally left.
floridanewbie
>I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
>home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
>really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
>apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
>well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
>that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
>$33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
<snip>
Hahaha ... Igor, these crews are everywhere. Some sell that expensive
cleaning stuff, others sell books, bibles or magazines.
I had a super energetic crew of two cute young southern women try to
sell me some expensive cleaning stuff like this last year ... they
always were polite and funny. Their act was great but I told them I
was not going to buy their stuff... however I did offer them each a
cold can of soda pop which they accepted before heading off to the
next house. While appealing to my masculine side, they did not play
on the marital aspect, turn insulting or try to gain entrace to the
house to check it out for a future burglary.
Floridanewbie
Welly192
Igor wrote:
>
> I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
One of my most memorable scam experiences was when I was approached by
two guys in a white Van saying they were delivery men and had these
speakers that had been ordered by TGI Friday's, but they ended up with
more speakers by accident and they just wanted enough money for them so
they could get an early start on the weekend. They tried to assure me
that this was a clerical error,
and the speakers were like 'found money' for them, my lucky day etc.
I couldn't resist looking at these special 'Acoustic' speakers, having
just purchased Hi-Fi speakers recently before. The speakers were total
crap. Turns out they were a legit company, but they relied on people's
greed as their target market.
Ray
bored
Welly192 wrote in message <3967F39A...@homenobozos.com>...
I had the same thing happen with speakers...It was in Tampa ...and another
good one is a meat company...not sure of the what name they use...but they
will sell you a box of really good top choice meat at a decent price....and
claim it was an overstock...and this was there cost and they didn't want to
have to send it back and blah blah blah(they claimed to supply local steak
house)..Any way, then they show up again in about a week and claim it
happened again..and this time there is much more than a box of it......there
were several boxes of it...and after all the first box was great...so...like
an idiot ....I BUY IT....only this time it is worse than you could ever
believe..I never see them again...and the phone number on there card was
dead....I ended up with about 40 lbs of $3.00 a pound dog food....live and
learn.
Gould 0738
These teenagers are often hundreds of miles from home and being victimized by
their bosses. The classified ads read "travel, have fun, make big money,no
experience neccessary....etc."
They round up as many 18 year olds as they can find, load them in cheap old
cars and hit the road. Why get them out of town? Because when the shid starts
coming down (and it will), having a kid in a strange enviornment several states
away from friends and family allows a manipulative employer to keep the kids
in a type of psychological prison.
The kids are given about $7-10 a day
"meal allowance". This is of course deducted from their "commissions", as is
the "lodging expense" (typically 5 or 6 kids to a room in a flea bag motel in
the brothel district, and charged $25-30 bucks apiece). The balance of the
commmissions is usually held by the "manager".
The soaps are worthless, the candies marked up 700-800 percent, and the
magazine subscriptions will never arrive.
One of the typical pitches is to send minority kids into an affluent white
neighborhood and include a ridiculously obvious referance to "proceeds help to
reduce burglary and other crimes commited by purple-haired-giants-from-east
lower slobonia", (or whoever the minority kids might happen to be).
Any kids who want to go home early get
dinged for "transportation" expenses (wiping out their entire commission
reserve).
Pretty soon the "manager" is sitting on a fat pile of reserve commissions.
While the kid crew is out hustling during the day, the manager is interviewing
a fresh set of suckers. One morning, the manager just fails to show up at Flea
Bag Arms. The manager, all the kids' money, and a new crop of "salespeople" are
hundreds of miles away setting up the whole train wreck again.
People who even seriously begin to think that yacht brokers or automobile sales
professionals are the scum of the earth have lived a very sheltered, white
bread life.
There's dirt out there that even the most expensive citrus cleaner will never
scrub up.
________
Chuck Gould
Float and let float.
BKelley
ordinance that requires ALL door to door salesfolks to be registered with
the city.They wear a permit attatched to their clothing. If they don't have
it, I don't talk to them......other than to advise them that they are
breaking the law. Then I call Barney Fife!!
"Igor" <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
news:slrn8jtrg...@manifold.algebra.com...
> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>
> you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
> married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
> independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> ashamed that I was not buying it.
>
> At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
>
MarkypieP
>From: hkr...@capu.net
>Two or three times a week, rigidly
>right-wing proselytizing "Christians" would come knocking at the door, hoping
>to>get us to join one of their extreme fundamentalist churches. >They were
very
>pushy and inquisitive and would not take no for an answer. >In their own way,
>they were more obnoxious than the salespeople Igor encountered.
I know exactly what you mean. We had some hate mongering liberal jews come to
our door trying to get us to solicit votes and funds for the county democratic
candidates.
Waterlou4
phone, or sends me an email. I just shut the door in their face, hang up
the phone, hit the delete button. Once you buy one thing, they sell your
name to everyone and you'll never have a moment's peace.<< -- Miss Cee
Yup. I don't know why people waste their time listening to the spiel, then feel
they have to make up explanations as to why they're not buying.
If they come to your door, say "no, thanks" and shut the door.
If by phone, say "no, thanks" and hang up.
If by e-mail, just delete it.
IMO, the only circumstance that justifies spending your time on this kind of
intrusion is when you get a call from a candidate or political party you're
opposed to. Tie them up as long as you can so they can't call other voters.
hkr...@capu.net
Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy cap
scared them off.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Real programmers use COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE
David Smalley
>Do these things happen often?
Yes
>Did I really hurt them?
No.
--
DAVe
JAKE
MarkypieP wrote:
> >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
> >From: hkr...@capu.net
>
> >Two or three times a week, rigidly
> >right-wing proselytizing "Christians" would come knocking at the door, hoping
> >to>get us to join one of their extreme fundamentalist churches. >They were
> very
> >pushy and inquisitive and would not take no for an answer. >In their own way,
> >they were more obnoxious than the salespeople Igor encountered.
>
> I know exactly what you mean. We had some hate mongering liberal jews come to
> our door trying to get us to solicit votes and funds for the county democratic
> candidates.
oy marko i remember you. your the one with the hairy mold on your lip and your
brother was holding your little d---.
JAKE
hkr...@capu.net wrote:
> MarkypieP wrote:
> >
> > >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
> > >From: hkr...@capu.net
> >
> > >Two or three times a week, rigidly
> > >right-wing proselytizing "Christians" would come knocking at the door, hoping
> > >to>get us to join one of their extreme fundamentalist churches. >They were
> > very
> > >pushy and inquisitive and would not take no for an answer. >In their own way,
> > >they were more obnoxious than the salespeople Igor encountered.
> >
> > I know exactly what you mean. We had some hate mongering liberal jews come to
> > our door trying to get us to solicit votes and funds for the county democratic
> > candidates.
>
> Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy cap
> scared them off.
>
> --
> Harry Krause
> ------------
>
> Real programmers use COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE
that was no pointy cap. that was it's head!
Larry W4CSC
Can you say "con artist", without cursing?
Larry....Isn't it amazing? When they're 18, all the parts are just
perfect!
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:51:26 -0500, ig...@Algebra.Com (Igor) wrote:
Keith
actually keeps most of them away. The ones that ignore it get a pretty
rude greeting from me when I open the door and point to the sign. Sorry,
I get enough telemarketing calls on my computer all day and night long.
Don't need the idiots knocking at my door too. Try one of those signs,
at least around here it works pretty well.
Mike Caswell
goul...@aol.comspamkill (Gould 0738) wrote:
> There's a darker side to this whole story.
>
> These teenagers are often hundreds of miles from home and being victimized by
> their bosses.
This is so sad... amazing what some people will do, and who they will step
on, to make a buck. Our neighborhood was visited by a squad of these
folks a few months ago, and though I didn't know first-hand all the
"behind the scenes" stuff you referred to in your post, when I read this
it seemed to fit perfectly with the little that I did see.
Though the teenage girl who came to my door was reasonably polite (no
vulgarity, insults, or threats), there was a significant "guilt factor"
attempting to be played on me... "Please buy my drastically overpriced
junk so I can stay off drugs." Though her words did not say it exactly,
it seemed that she was portraying her group as some sort of anti-drug
community center who was out doing a fundraiser. However, I noticed that
her good were contained in a very nice, durable Rubbermaid container, as
opposed to a regular cardboard box that almost all legitimate fundraising
kids seem to use. In other words, for a real fundraiser that lasts a few
days, once or twice a year, the group is not going to spend $20 each to
equip their kids with fancy containers... they'll use a cheap, disposable
cardboard box.
The one other thing to me that stood out was the guy in the van who
dropped her off, and then drove around the block a few times, presumably
checking up on the progress of the other kids... it was a very subtle,
almost subconscious feeling, but he didn't seem to have the same mannerism
as would a parent accompanying their kids on a fundraiser for the school
band.... he seemed more like a supervisor, watching his subordinates like
a hawk to make sure they weren't slacking off on his time.
Also, it was rather late in the evening on a school night.... these kids'
parents actually let them go out like this and be taken advantage of,
working for nothing, making money for someone else?
I was very torn, because on the one hand I certainly did not want to
participate in this scam... I knew the girl would probably get something
like .50 cents of the $20 item she was selling, and the slavemaster in the
van would pocket the remaining $19. But on the other hand, I got the
impression that this girl was scared... that if she didn't come through
and make the sale, she'd be in big trouble. She was almost in a panic.
But logic prevailed, and I firmly declined to buy anything from her.
The whole thing was very sad... made me a bit embarrassed to be in the
same species as the scumbag who was orchestrating this thing.
--Mike
Mike Caswell
> I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc.
Yes, I've used it before, and it works great... it's called Windex. $1.49
at Wal-Mart. ;-)
> Well, I said
> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>
> Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
> you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
> married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
> independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> ashamed that I was not buying it.
Un-f***ing-believable. And they actually expected you to buy something
from them after THAT? This is just hillarious... "Please buy this $33
bottle of soapy water from us, you rich, gay, boat-owning, big-house
occupying, asshole of a loser." I know it's no fun being called names by
a pair of sharp tounged smart-ass sisters, but can you see how funny this
sounds from a third party perspective? :-)
> At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
I don't want to sound cruel or anything, but I truly hope you did. But in
reality, I'm sure you were affected considerably more by this whole ordeal
than they were. Unlike them, you apparently have a heart... a
conscious... a sense of morality. You don't like the feeling that comes
from thinking you have hurt someone emotionally.
To them it's just part of the job.
--Mike
Kilkeeslps
being killed in an accident? Besides being abrupt, has anyone had luck or
feedback from the authorities that could curtail or help these "salespeople"?
Mike D.
Althea
trained to behave exactly as you described. At my old apartment complex, our
security guy delighted in removing them from the property. In my own home,
however, I don't have that luxury. I usually don't answer the door or try to
play with their heads.
While at that complex, I was home on vacation from work and two boys foudn
me in the breezeway checking the mail. They were selling magazines and told
me so and asked me what my interests were. I gave them some hokey answer.
Then they asked what I did for a living. Why I had the foresight and quick
thinking to answer this way I don't know, but I told them I was prostitute.
They stumbled and asked "really?" "Sure, why do you think I'm home in the
middle of the day?" They were young enough to be flabbergasted rather than
try to 'make a transaction' and they left.
My favorites are the ones who tell you "nothing, I'm just earning points to
go to Europe/King's Island/Yellowstone/whatever" when you point blank ask
them what they're selling.
Althea
"Igor" <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
news:slrn8jtrg...@manifold.algebra.com...
> I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>
> Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
> you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
> married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
> independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> ashamed that I was not buying it.
>
> At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
>
Karen Ronan
Sorry you were abused by these young hoodlums. My philosophy
is "don't open the door." The few times I was stupid enough
to open the door to be accosted by a sales pitch, I
interrupted with: "You want money, right?"
Then I would give them a few dollars to go away.
Karen
MarkypieP
>From: hkr...@capu.net
>Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy
>cap
>scared them off.
Why is it that you can denigrate Christians at length, but the minute I say
something about Jews I'm a klansman? More farleft hate speech, huh? I should be
used to the idea that you only interject politics at every turn to further your
socialist agenda. Hypocrite.
MarkypieP
>that was no pointy cap. that was it's head!
Hey Jake, you've joined a losing team.
MarkypieP
>From: JAKE vi...@rcn.com
>oy marko i remember you. your the one with the hairy mold on your lip and
>your
>brother was holding your little d---.
Hey Jake, is Brickwriter paying you to be a minion. Everyone else gets paid to
be a sycophant of Harry's, you better ask him for the money.
A. Moore
>
> >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
>
> >Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy
> >cap
> >scared them off.
>
> Why is it that you can denigrate Christians at length, but the minute I say
> something about Jews I'm a klansman? More farleft hate speech, huh? I should be
> used to the idea that you only interject politics at every turn to further your
> socialist agenda. Hypocrite.
Actually, I think the conversation originally concerned the annoyance of
intrusive, high-pressure marketing, extended to zealous missionary
proselytizing. I've met zealous jews, but it's been a long time since
they've been known for proselytizing. Generally I prefer zealous
boaters, who confine their proselytizing to more appropriate social
occasions...
Al Moore
BillS
is a regular theread about them in the austin.general news group. Funny how
they are always driving a white van with paper dealer tags. A fiend of mind
took them up on their offer only to blow the speaker within a week. Took it
apart and found some cheap 20 watt drivers with no cross over at all. Nice
cabinets but no guts.
BillS.
Chris Gattman
> >At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> >pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> >way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
>
What they do at colleges is infiltrate the co-ed dorms. Where it's
allowed, the girls will hit the mens floors and the men will hit the
women's floors, although not as much as the women because the saleswomen
are less likely to be thrown out.
The girls knock on your door and start flirting with you while they try to
subscribe you to magazines. They're very cordial and flirty and friendly
and will often times give you a phone number (heh...try calling one
sometime.) If you don't subscribe, suddenly they just sort of snub you
and make you feel bad.
There are a lot of guys out there, particularly young college men, with
low self-esteem who fall into that trap.
Chris Gattman
Chris Gattman
> One of my most memorable scam experiences was when I was approached by
> two guys in a white Van saying they were delivery men and had these
> speakers that had been ordered by TGI Friday's, but they ended up with
I had that EXACT experience in a grocery store parking lot about two
years ago! Naturally, of course, they were not only CHEAPER than any
speakers you could buy anywhere in retail outlets, they were BETTER.
("They don't sell these things to the general public. Only to night clubs
and places like that."
>
> I couldn't resist looking at these special 'Acoustic' speakers, having
> just purchased Hi-Fi speakers recently before. The speakers were total
> crap. Turns out they were a legit company, but they relied on people's
> greed as their target market.
One time I told a magazine sales kid who was nudge-nudging me about the
girls around the apartment pool that he should run over and check out
this little place to the southwest called Bikini Atoll.
Chris Gattman
MarkypieP
>I've met zealous jews, but it's been a long time since
>they've been known for proselytizing.
As I pointed out, they were stumping for hate-mongering Democrats.
Chris Gattman
> >Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy
> >cap
> >scared them off.
>
> Why is it that you can denigrate Christians at length, but the minute I say
> something about Jews I'm a klansman? More farleft hate speech, huh?
Stow it. He was referring to a specific incident when Christians came to
the door to convert him. The Mormons harassed me for a long time, and the
Jehova Witnesses did too until I ran them off.
Nobody I know has ever had a jew come to the door to try to convert them,
and that was what this thread was about. Your conviction and
irrationality about this betrays something about you.
Chris Gattman
Jon Gefaell
Chris Gattman <ga...@teleport.com> wrote:
>Stow it. He was referring to a specific incident when Christians came to
>the door to convert him. The Mormons harassed me for a long time, and the
>Jehova Witnesses did too until I ran them off.
>
Funny, but what I do when these 'witnesses' come to my door is I step outside
and have a 'chat' with them. I ask them what they want to tell me and I listen
well.
Then I share my thoughts with them and generally it's a pleasant excercise. I
thank them for their efforts and point out that even though I don't necessarily
share all their perspectives, it's a lot better than a drive-by shooting. :)
It's true that 'they' are not necessarily always polite or decent, but usually
they are. In fact I think that it's an excellent opportunity for MY witness to
THEM.
Call me subversive.
--
---
1620 Markham Farew. Husb. ii. ii. (1668) 4 - One good hacker, being a lusty
labourer, will at good ease hack or cut more than half an acre of ground in a
day.
BW
>* > At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
>* > pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
>* > way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
Your response was reasonable and reserved. The offer didn't represent
a good value, so you turned it down. Even if you were passing up the
opportunity to buy $1 bills for 25 cents apiece, that's your choice.
If that left them hurt, they're in the wrong business. Anyone who
can't take "no" for an answer shouldn't be selling anything... and
particularly shouldn't be in the door-to-door, telemarketing, or any
other intrusive hard sell industry. Rest assured they get turned away
a huge majority of the time... as it should be.
That they were trained to employ these gonzo tactics suggests that
they actually work to turn guilt into cash among a large enough
percentage of the buying population. Too bad for them.
Buying for retail stores is one of my responsibilities at work. I
tell people I don't want to buy their crap for a living -- I have no
problem doing the same in my spare time.
As for cleaning products... I once had an employee buy a bottle of
expensive concentrate super-cleaner after an "amazing demo". After
voicing skepticism, he showed me how it took the grime off a counter
in the warehouse. It worked pretty good, so I proceeded with a demo
of my own. I went to the janitor's closet and emerged with some of my
own "super cleaner" and cleaned a patch next to his. It was just as
shiny and bright as the spot he'd cleaned. Amazed, he asked me what
brand of cleaner I'd used. "Tap water" was the answer.
BW (Jeff Buege)
Captain of "Belvedere"
hkr...@capu.net
>
> > >
> > >At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> >
>
> What they do at colleges is infiltrate the co-ed dorms. Where it's
> allowed, the girls will hit the mens floors and the men will hit the
> women's floors, although not as much as the women because the saleswomen
> are less likely to be thrown out.
>
> The girls knock on your door and start flirting with you while they try to
> subscribe you to magazines. They're very cordial and flirty and friendly
> and will often times give you a phone number (heh...try calling one
> sometime.) If you don't subscribe, suddenly they just sort of snub you
> and make you feel bad.
>
> There are a lot of guys out there, particularly young college men, with
> low self-esteem who fall into that trap.
>
> Chris Gattman
Damn. I knew I had the wrong jobs in college. I sold doughnuts, picked up and
delivered for the dry cleaners and worked in the kitchen scraping plates until
my junior year, when I got a permanent, low paying job with a newspaper.
And to think I could have been flirting with women in their dorms...
Sheesh.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Teddy Bear Usage Instructions (4): Do not plug teddy into electrical socket.
hkr...@capu.net
>
> hkr...@capu.net <hkr...@capu.net> wrote:
> * When we first moved to Jax, we rented a house in a nice neighborhood for a year.
> * It was in a middle class subdivision. Two or three times a week, rigidly
> * right-wing proselytizing "Christians" would come knocking at the door, hoping to
> * get us to join one of their extreme fundamentalist churches. They were very
> * pushy and inquisitive and would not take no for an answer. In their own way,
> * they were more obnoxious than the salespeople Igor encountered. We also were
> * visited by some elderly Seventh Day Adventist ladies and some black Baptists,
> * all of whom were charming and cordial and even, dare I say it, fun.
>
> I had adventists visit me too when I lived in a black neighborhood.
>
> I actually liked them, despite their lack of history education.
I used to tease the black Baptist ladies something terrible, threatening to come
to their services and eat all that good food they cooked and served afterwards.
I think most of them were sent to my front door by my neighbor, a very handsome
black guy about my age who was active in his church and was always looking for
ways to pay me back for taking him fishing and getting him terribly seasick.
This was a guy who could puke after a walk on the beach, but he loved to fish.
Anyway, the black church ladies were as nice and friendly as they could be, and
I'm sure everybody they called on smiled back at them.
Harry Krause
------------
Famous last words: Don't worry, it's not loaded.
Jon Gefaell
Interesting. If I ever get into that situation I'll tell 'em I'm a
'police detective', Heh heh...
In article <oVO%4.1051$73....@news1.iquest.net>,
Althea <alt...@nospam.net> wrote:
>While at that complex, I was home on vacation from work and two boys foudn
>me in the breezeway checking the mail. They were selling magazines and told
>me so and asked me what my interests were. I gave them some hokey answer.
>Then they asked what I did for a living. Why I had the foresight and quick
>thinking to answer this way I don't know, but I told them I was prostitute.
>They stumbled and asked "really?" "Sure, why do you think I'm home in the
>middle of the day?" They were young enough to be flabbergasted rather than
>try to 'make a transaction' and they left.
hkr...@capu.net
>
> >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
>
> >Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy
> >cap
> >scared them off.
>
> Why is it that you can denigrate Christians at length, but the minute I say
> used to the idea that you only interject politics at every turn to further your
> socialist agenda. Hypocrite.
I don't denigrate "Christians" at all, if by Christians, you mean those who
exhibit a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus. The religious fundamentalist
extremists to whom I referred were bigots whose core beliefs included the
denigration of other religions and the replacement of our non-sectarian society
with a theocracy. Such "salespeople" are not welcome at my door.
All manner of religious folk have knocked on my doors over the years. I cannot
recall an unpleasant incident related to callers from the local Roman Catholic
church or from the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans or whatever. It is
just the "Christian" fundamentalists who seem to go overboard. As far as I know,
Jews don't proselytize door to door in the United States.
I have no idea whether you are a Klansman. I would be surprised if you were. It
wouldn't suprise me to learn you are anti-Semitic.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Al Gore arrested for DWI on information superhighway!
hkr...@capu.net
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.100060...@user2.teleport.com>,
> Chris Gattman <ga...@teleport.com> wrote:
> >Stow it. He was referring to a specific incident when Christians came to
> >the door to convert him. The Mormons harassed me for a long time, and the
> >Jehova Witnesses did too until I ran them off.
> >
> >Chris Gattman
>
> Funny, but what I do when these 'witnesses' come to my door is I step outside
> and have a 'chat' with them. I ask them what they want to tell me and I listen
> well.
>
> Then I share my thoughts with them and generally it's a pleasant excercise. I
> thank them for their efforts and point out that even though I don't necessarily
> share all their perspectives, it's a lot better than a drive-by shooting. :)
>
> It's true that 'they' are not necessarily always polite or decent, but usually
> they are. In fact I think that it's an excellent opportunity for MY witness to
> THEM.
>
> Call me subversive.
> --
I'm sorry, but at least part of that line has been used before.
We can call you Ishmael, but not Subversive.
--
Harry Krause
------------
I used to be a lumberjack, but I just couldn't hack it, so they gave me the axe.
kimmee
This is totally appalling! Never in my life have I ever encountered
door to door sales people like this.....I never buy from the door
anyhow, although I will donate to the Cancer Society that way.
I guess I might seem intimidating to some salespeople, not because
of my height, stature, etc. (I am only 5'2 and 118 lbs....) But when I
answer the door, I take DH's big, stupid but tough Doberman with me,
he is usually barking up a storm at them, wanting to play, but they
don't know that! I am yelling, quiet, Johann, sit down, while
restraining him with his collar..............LOL. works like a
charm.....
Kim
>
>ig...@Algebra.Com (Igor) writes:
>
>> I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
>> home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
>> really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
>> apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
>> well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
>> that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
>> $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
>>
>> Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
>> you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
>> able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
>> were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
>> since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
>> became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
>> married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
>> married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
>> independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
>> solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
>> ashamed that I was not buying it.
>>
>> At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
>> pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
>> way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
>>
momalot
they turn on when they see someone walking up the door, lol.
I'm too rural for any door to door salesman to come knocking, plus they wouldn't
make it past the gates, so I'm shocked that this actually happens.
We do get lots of solicitors on the telephone who want to sell us something, and
I'm usually mean about it if they can't take no the first time, I will put the
phone in the drawer and walk away, heehee.
momalot
David Smalley
>
> Isn't it amazing? When they're 18, all the parts are just
> perfect!
All except the most important part, the brain.
--
DAVe
ISIS
you. Some people have so little tact and are so "rough" around the edges
that they don't know how to treat people. Rather they treat them like they
treat each other. Yikes.
ISIS
"Igor" <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
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ISIS
ISIS
"Igor" <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
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> Bert Robbins <brob...@erols.com> wrote:
> * If they got to see the inside of your house then they also got
information
> * on whether it is worth breaking into or not. I don't let any body
pedaling
> * wares into my house, even if it is below freezing outside.
>
> No, they were outside.
>
> igor
>
> * Thanks
> * Bert
> *
> * Marcus G Bell <be...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> * news:8hmu9v$d0v$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> * > Igor (ig...@Algebra.Com) wrote:
> * >
> * > > They then said that I should be an independent thinker, a leader
> * > > and not a follower and buy their cleaning solution. They said
> * > > that they spent so much time on me that I should be ashamed that
> * > > I was not buying it.
> * >
> * > > At that point I told them to please leave my property.
> * >
> * > It sounds like they got what they asked for, even if it wasn't
> * > what they wanted.
> * >
> * > The unthinking follower might have bought their stuff. The
> * > independent thinker knows value and is unswayed by the hard sell.
> * > The leader directs the unwanted intruder to the property line.
> * >
> * >
> * > -- -- Marcus. ( be...@mail.med.upenn.edu )
> *
> *
>
>
> --
ISIS
phone sales people! UGH. They are the tops! I have learned that it's
"okay" to hang up on them if they persist even after I've said, "no thank
you".
ISIS
"TYounger" <bo...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.13a8cec78...@news.bellatlantic.net...
>
> You should have threatened to call the police after the first time you
> said no. By the way, a product sell sounds like a great way to case a
> place for robbery.
>
> Just about two weeks ago this girl showed up at my door *really* pushing
> children's books. I wanted to get rid of her the fastest way possible,
> so I said "We don't have children" from my front door from which
> Tristan's room is clearly visible - And then proceeded to get into my car
> with the child seat in the back, lol. Oh well.
>
> Tamara
>
> > Igor said...
> > I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> > home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> > really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> > apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> > well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> > that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> > $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
> >
> > Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
> > you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> > able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> > were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> > since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> > became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I
was
> > married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> > married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be
an
> > independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> > solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> > ashamed that I was not buying it.
> >
> > At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> > pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> > way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt
them?
>
> --
> It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw. -Calvin
Charles Boyer
story.
Actually, once upon a time, a young fellow sold me some stuff that really
did clean the heck out of everything. You've probably seen it sold as "Didi
7" or something. Worked great. And I wish I still had some. But before I
would buy any, I made him clean some rust stains out of an old sink I was
trying to salvage. He went right to it, and the stuff did the job after a
minute or two.
"Fred" <fr...@fred.com> wrote in message
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> YES, I have had this happen about a month ago here in Charleston
<CUT OF INCREDIBLY HILARIOUS STORY>
> When I asked him what the secret ingredient was he foolishly gave me
> the answer- citrus-based solvent. You can buy a million products
> containing that agent. HA!! He finally left.
Charles Boyer
they rarely go door to door. Harry, the U.N. says that Zionism is racism.
I guess that will need to be resolved in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat
phase, before Marx's vision can be completely fulfilled, right?
Frankly, I find all religious zealots obnoxious and intolerable, no matter
the color of their cloth. Like the time the nice Muslim fellow wouldn't
sell me a paper he was hawking on a street corner, all because I'm white.
Or the time the Jehovah's Witness swore me off to hell because I listened to
the Devil's music (and it may have had something to do with his daughter
too...heh heh heh) Fundamentalist Baptists and I don't see eye to eye
either, mainly because I like to ask them questions like "Who were Cain and
Able's parents?" and stuff like that.
Sheesh, live and let live.
"A. Moore" <alan....@lmco.com> wrote in message
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hkr...@capu.net
>
>
> * >I don't denigrate "Christians" at all, if by Christians, you mean those who
> * >exhibit a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus. The religious fundamentalist
> * >extremists to whom I referred were bigots whose core beliefs included the
> * >denigration of other religions and the replacement of our non-sectarian society
>
> Well, there is nothing immoral about having an opinion on various
> religions. Harry refers to fundamentalist Christians as bigots. And he
> may actually be right. I, personally, think that Islam is an extremist
> religion for stupid people.
It's not really a matter of morality for me. I don't care what the
fundamentalist Christians to whom I referred think or do to each other within
the limited confines of their churches or social groups. I am offended when when
they try to push their beliefs on people who do not share those beliefs. I
resent their attempts to try to turn this country into a fundamentalist
theocracy or to establish an official religion or to force what I consider their
bigotry onto others.
--
Harry Krause
------------
I can save you from being sacrificed as a virgin.
Bert Robbins
initial interest amount, lets say 4.9% for the first three months, counter
there offer with 4.9% for the life of the account. They will say that they
can't do that and you can respond that if they accept your offer of 4.9% for
the life of the account you will do it otherwise you have nothing further to
say. Give them a counter offer, most of the time they don't expect it and it
most of the time leave them speechless.
Bert
ISIS <IS...@pyramid.com> wrote in message
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storm
you put an American flag on your house that you will not get bothered by anyone
at all.
Keith wrote:
> Not a bit. I finally put up a "no soliciting" sign on my door. It
> actually keeps most of them away. The ones that ignore it get a pretty
> rude greeting from me when I open the door and point to the sign. Sorry,
> I get enough telemarketing calls on my computer all day and night long.
> Don't need the idiots knocking at my door too. Try one of those signs,
> at least around here it works pretty well.
>
> Igor wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this. Minutes after I got
> > home tonight, two young ladies (18-26yo) knocked on my door. They were
> > really friendly, did high five, asked if I was married etc. They
> > apparently had some cleaning product for sale that seemed to work
> > well. They showed me how it cleans cars, eyeglasses etc. Well, I said
> > that it is nice. And the ladies were nice to me. Then they asked for
> > $33 per bottle. I said there is no way I would pay this amount.
> >
> > Then they changed face and said, gee, you live in such a nice house,
> > you should be able to afford this. Give us the $$ so that we would be
> > able to support ourselves and give money to inner city children (they
> > were black). And that I should not be saying that it's too expensive
> > since I live in a house. Huh? Well, I said no and at this point it
> > became really high pressure. They said that I was a loser, asked if I was
> > married to a man or a woman, said that I was probably lying about being
> > married because I was such an asshole. They then said that I should be an
> > independent thinker, a leader and not a follower and buy their cleaning
> > solution. They said that they spent so much time on me that I should be
> > ashamed that I was not buying it.
> >
> > At that point I told them to please leave my property. They left pretty
> > pissed off and I am still smarting. I just hate to be pressured this
> > way and manipulated. Do these things happen often? Did I really hurt them?
> >
David Smalley
>
> Lee <cana...@hothothotmail.comcomcom> wrote:
> * On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:59:17 -0400, hkr...@capu.net wrote:
> *
> * >I don't denigrate "Christians" at all, if by Christians, you mean those who
> * >exhibit a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus. The religious fundamentalist
> * >extremists to whom I referred were bigots whose core beliefs included the
> * >denigration of other religions and the replacement of our non-sectarian society
> * And, here you are denigrating their beliefs.
> *
> * At least you're consistently hypocritical.
>
> Well, there is nothing immoral about having an opinion on various
> religions. Harry refers to fundamentalist Christians as bigots. And he
> may actually be right. I, personally, think that Islam is an extremist
> religion for stupid people.
Then you are also wrong. I know quite a few _very_ intelligent people
who also happen to be Islamic.
--
DAVe
David Smalley
>
> I know this sounds crazy, but my dad and his brothers were telling me that if
> you put an American flag on your house that you will not get bothered by anyone
> at all.
Especially if you sprinkle a few shotgun shell cases off the front
porch. 8^)
--
DAVe
Charles Boyer
by others. Bigotry by any group shows a lack of intelligence in my opinion.
Fundamentalist Christians have their analog equiviliants in every major
religion and everywhere in the world today. If you ever visit India, for
example, you will find that there is a holy war of incredible proportions
ongoing there between Muslims and the Hindus. In Iran, Fundamentalist
Muslims are doing their best to purge the movements towards moderation in
their theocracy. Ireland is fairly well known, though that has more to do
with ongoing bitterness of the groups involved rather than religion. A lot
of conflict in the former Yugolsavia revolves around the Russian Orthodox
church and the Muslims of the respective countries there. Fanaticism, it
would seem, knows no real borders -- it's universal. Hell, some people bomb
and maim doctors in this country and call it God's will. Guess I missed
that part of the Bible.
It's not that religion itself is bad. Most religions agree on some very
basic tenents, no matter how diverse the path towards their respective
nirvanas are. It's the fanatics that make things unpleasant. The fact is,
we all have different ideas towards God. It's like asking a question such
as "How big is space?" -- everyone will have a very different conception.
But a fanatic is so convinced that only they know the answers that they will
not leave you alone. And that's just plain wrong. Moreover, it is very
disrespectful and insulting.
Look, we all have our ideas about religion, politics and pretty much
everything else. People should be able to discuss these things rationally,
and when emotions get high, agree to disagree. Even when (really ESPECIALLY
when) the other guy (you're convinced) is an idiot. You're not going to win
anyway, so you might as well forget about it and go boating.
You know, some people are perfectly happy with a Bayliner, no matter how
much some other people think they suck. They both have the right to their
opinion. The guy who hates the Bayliner right ends, however, when he tries
to take your Bayliner away in order to save you. That's when he deserves to
be keelhauled.
Cheers.
<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:39402A63...@capu.net...
Charles Boyer
(Blacks/women/Irish/Italians/Polish/whatever) are all stupid. The very idea
is pretty ignorant in it's own right.
"David Smalley" <dr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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hkr...@capu.net
>
> Seems like you are often willing to overlook bigotry by some groups and not
> by others.
they do it among themselves and not try to force their beliefs and mores on me
or on my secular society.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Mars needs women - no experience necessary!
MrFixit
ask him about potty training. It never fails the guy hangs up within 30
secs.
--
MrFixit
Money can't buy happiness, but, it can buy the kind of misery I prefer
"momalot" <dadalot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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J R North
JR
hkr...@capu.net wrote:
>
> MarkypieP wrote:
> >
> > >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
> > >From: hkr...@capu.net
> >
> > >Well, I'm sure the sight of you in your full white sheet regalia with pointy
> > >cap
> > >scared them off.
> >
> > Why is it that you can denigrate Christians at length, but the minute I say
> > something about Jews I'm a klansman? More farleft hate speech, huh? I should be
> > used to the idea that you only interject politics at every turn to further your
> > socialist agenda. Hypocrite.
>
> I don't denigrate "Christians" at all, if by Christians, you mean those who
> exhibit a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus. The religious fundamentalist
> extremists to whom I referred were bigots whose core beliefs included the
> denigration of other religions and the replacement of our non-sectarian society
> with a theocracy. Such "salespeople" are not welcome at my door.
>
> All manner of religious folk have knocked on my doors over the years. I cannot
> recall an unpleasant incident related to callers from the local Roman Catholic
> church or from the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans or whatever. It is
> just the "Christian" fundamentalists who seem to go overboard. As far as I know,
> Jews don't proselytize door to door in the United States.
>
> I have no idea whether you are a Klansman. I would be surprised if you were. It
> wouldn't suprise me to learn you are anti-Semitic.
>
> --
> Harry Krause
> ------------
>
> Al Gore arrested for DWI on information superhighway!
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Get a German Shepard, it keeps the assholes away.
Igor wrote in message ...
Larry W4CSC
wrote:
I don't want 'em too smart. It's more fun to "condition" them to
think you are their "master".....
It is a little embarrasing at the mall, though, to have them collared
on leashes in Sears. The saleswomen looked, well, jealous....
Larry...Life is just a fantasy, isn't it?
TYounger
Okay, I admit, we have a peephole, but I think Hell might freeze over
before it occoured to me to use it, lol.
Just kind of a funny story... I used to be mormon, and I withdrew my
membership from their church, so they'd send missionaries over to our
house *constantly* trying to save my soul, or whatnot, despite repeated
threats to call the police or charge harassment. One Sunday morning,
Doug and I were in bed when they knocked on the door. Doug answered in
his underwear. He told them if they ever showed up again, he was coming
out wearing one sock. They guessed where. We haven't seen them since,
lol.
Tamara
> ISIS said...
> LOL. I don't even answer the door! Saves me a lot of grief! And those
> phone sales people! UGH. They are the tops! I have learned that it's
> "okay" to hang up on them if they persist even after I've said, "no thank
> you".
>
> ISIS
--
kimmee
I am not that fond of Johann the Doberman anyway, I could always put
him on permanent loan to you. providing you pay the shipping and
handling............lol
(my dh would kill me, he loves that dumb dog, talks baby talk to him
all the time.....)
ps. I am not a dog hater, I have a beautiful German shorthaired
pointer, named Daisy......she's well trained, never bites, and is
terrified of thunderstorms.........she's not leavin' her momma, no
way, no how!!!!
Kim
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 00:37:56 GMT, "boating" <NOSPA...@home.com>
wrote:
MarkypieP
>Stow it. He was referring to a specific incident when Christians came to
>the door to convert him. >Nobody I know has ever had a jew come to the door to
try to convert them,>and that was what this thread was about.
I thought it was about 2 young ladies trying to sell igor some overpriced
cleaner.
That is until brickwriter interjected his left-wing hate speech.
>Your conviction and>irrationality about this betrays something about you.
Like what?
MarkypieP
>I don't denigrate "Christians" at all,
Could have fooled me.
>As far as I know,>Jews don't proselytize door to door in the United States.
Read for content, brickwriter. I said they were stumping for the county
Democratic machine.
>I have no idea whether you are a Klansman.
Just as I have no idea if you own any stock.
>I would be surprised if you were.
Not as surprised as the KKK would be.
>It>wouldn't suprise me to learn you are anti-Semitic.
And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that you like little boys in leather.
Poopie Pants
wrote:
>
>Okay, I admit, we have a peephole, but I think Hell might freeze over
>before it occoured to me to use it, lol.
>
>Just kind of a funny story... I used to be mormon, and I withdrew my
>membership from their church, so they'd send missionaries over to our
>house *constantly* trying to save my soul, or whatnot, despite repeated
>threats to call the police or charge harassment. One Sunday morning,
>Doug and I were in bed when they knocked on the door. Doug answered in
>his underwear. He told them if they ever showed up again, he was coming
>out wearing one sock. They guessed where. We haven't seen them since,
>lol.
>
>Tamara
That was great!!! ROTFL!!!
Poopie Pants
Poopie Pants
>I know this sounds crazy, but my dad and his brothers were telling me that if
>you put an American flag on your house that you will not get bothered by anyone
>at all.
You mean just flying the American flag on your house?
I do that.
Poopei Pants
floridanewbie
I thought people flew the flag so the black helicopters knew where to
land :-)
Floridanewbie
Waterlou4
>>Wrong. You should say
``Please add me to your no call list''
This makes them legally required to never call you again.<<
I tried that with Advanced Home Remodeling and it didn't work. Finally, I
called them back on the phone number that showed up on my caller ID (they don't
have a main number listed in the phone book or 411). The person who answered
was quite surprised and wanted to know how I got the number.
These jerks called me two or three times a day for about six months, but they
seem to be gone now.
hkr...@capu.net
>
> And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that you like little boys in leather.
Projecting your fantasies again? Oh...wait a moment...you do spend your time
with males who are confined, or in chains or worse, right? But I suppose that's
heavy metal, not leather. Is yours the prison where the guards force the inmates
to fight so that they can bet on the results?
--
Harry Krause
Franklin Jennings
Gould 0738 wrote:
> There's a darker side to this whole story.
>
> These teenagers are often hundreds of miles from home and being victimized by
> their bosses. The classified ads read "travel, have fun, make big money,no
> experience neccessary....etc."
>
> They round up as many 18 year olds as they can find, load them in cheap old
> cars and hit the road. Why get them out of town? Because when the shid starts
> coming down (and it will), having a kid in a strange enviornment several states
> away from friends and family allows a manipulative employer to keep the kids
> in a type of psychological prison.
>
> The kids are given about $7-10 a day
> "meal allowance". This is of course deducted from their "commissions", as is
> the "lodging expense" (typically 5 or 6 kids to a room in a flea bag motel in
> the brothel district, and charged $25-30 bucks apiece). The balance of the
> commmissions is usually held by the "manager".
>
> The soaps are worthless, the candies marked up 700-800 percent, and the
> magazine subscriptions will never arrive.
> One of the typical pitches is to send minority kids into an affluent white
> neighborhood and include a ridiculously obvious referance to "proceeds help to
> reduce burglary and other crimes commited by purple-haired-giants-from-east
> lower slobonia", (or whoever the minority kids might happen to be).
>
> Any kids who want to go home early get
> dinged for "transportation" expenses (wiping out their entire commission
> reserve).
>
> Pretty soon the "manager" is sitting on a fat pile of reserve commissions.
> While the kid crew is out hustling during the day, the manager is interviewing
> a fresh set of suckers. One morning, the manager just fails to show up at Flea
> Bag Arms. The manager, all the kids' money, and a new crop of "salespeople" are
> hundreds of miles away setting up the whole train wreck again.
>
> People who even seriously begin to think that yacht brokers or automobile sales
> professionals are the scum of the earth have lived a very sheltered, white
> bread life.
>
> There's dirt out there that even the most expensive citrus cleaner will never
> scrub up.
I'm not reading further in this thread until I post this.
Two weeks before I left San Diego, I had a run in with an ex-girlfreind sort of.
Anyway, the next weekend, I go over to her place, and she has befreinded one of
these magazine kids. She picks up stray people, I think she practiced with cats
and dogs as a child.
Anyway, the kids situation was PRECISELY what Chuck described. For those of you
who know SD, he was between Chula Vista and NavSta32nd St. in a fleabag place off
limits to sailors. And they had him selling magaizines on Base Housing in
Miramar! I was working for an electronics firm, and this kid had been studying to
be a Nuke ET, when he got kicked out for some disciplinary reason, and anyone who
knows the Nuke Pipeline can tell you that is reallllllly easy. Anyway, we went and
picked him up at the dump, brought him back to her place, and the next day my firm
brings him in as an Assembler. He didn't have to go home (turns out mom and dad
thought he was still a sailor), and he didn't have to "work on Maggie's farm no
more."
Eight months later, I hear he is working in QA, and pursuing his BS EE.
Franklin Jennings
MY Bad to the Bone
>
>
> ________
> Chuck Gould
>
> Float and let float.
stargazer
I already have it, or my husband does that for a living.
It works every time.
Also, if they tell me that I've *won* a trip, and need to square away all of
the details, I tell them I pay cash for everything, and have never even
gotten a checking account because I don't trust the banks, and I have no
major credit cards. Boy, do they hang up quickly.
=)
hkr...@capu.net
>
> > There's a darker side to this whole story.
> >
> > These teenagers are often hundreds of miles from home and being victimized by
> > their bosses. The classified ads read "travel, have fun, make big money,no
> > experience neccessary....etc."
> >
> > They round up as many 18 year olds as they can find, load them in cheap old
> > cars and hit the road. Why get them out of town? Because when the shid starts
> > coming down (and it will), having a kid in a strange enviornment several states
> > away from friends and family allows a manipulative employer to keep the kids
> > in a type of psychological prison.
> >
> > The kids are given about $7-10 a day
> > "meal allowance". This is of course deducted from their "commissions", as is
> > the "lodging expense" (typically 5 or 6 kids to a room in a flea bag motel in
> > the brothel district, and charged $25-30 bucks apiece). The balance of the
> > commmissions is usually held by the "manager".
Let us not forget that our wonderfully affluent society has left millions of
people behind, and that many youngsters are virtually forced into doing the
kinds of work most of us would disdain.
Frankly, I don't find the pitch these kids use any more dishonest than the pitch
many corporations and organizations use to relieve folks of their money. Split
ring sparkplugs, anyone? Contributions to so-called charities that spend large
portions of what they take in on "overhead?" Oil companies that rip off
consumers at the gas pump? Telephone companies that promise to cut their rates
if certain aspects of their businesses are broadened and then turn around and
plan a massive rate increase? Loan companies that will loan your cash at rates
higher than a loan shark if you give them title to your car?
These kids are at the bottom of the ladder. They use deceptive techniques to
survive. So do many others in business. The kids just aren't very slick or
sophisticated.
--
Harry Krause
------------
Lawyers are the larval form of politicians.
JAKE
MarkypieP wrote:
> >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
> >From: JAKE vi...@rcn.com
>
> >that was no pointy cap. that was it's head!
>
> Hey Jake, you've joined a losing team.
hey maro, i would never join a team that would have me as a member!
storm
Poopie Pants wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:07:13 -0400, storm <st...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I know this sounds crazy, but my dad and his brothers were telling me that if
> >you put an American flag on your house that you will not get bothered by anyone
> >at all.
>
> You mean just flying the American flag on your house?
>
> I do that.
>
> Poopei Pants
David S. Pendleton
"storm" <st...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3940E937...@hotmail.com...
MarkypieP
>Is yours the prison where the guards force the inmates
>to fight so that they can bet on the results?
Do you mostly make your living writing about bricks, or do you every
once-in-a-while branch out into something really exciting like paving stones?
MarkypieP
>From: hkr...@capu.net
>Let us not forget that our wonderfully affluent society has left millions of
>people behind,
It's all because the people who make over $100,000 a year don't pay enough
taxes. If we could get the fatcats to pay their fair share, instead of
weaseling out with tax shelters, we could finance scads of social experiments-I
mean programs. I would like to see a large hike in the capital gains tax for
those who speculate, I mean invest, in the stock market. People who own more
than one residence should be singled out for punitive taxes to help the
homeless.
Kilkeeslps
discussing door to door salespeople, and end up with a First Class Pissing
Contest. Spew your bigotry elsewhere- this is rec.boats after all.
Mike D.
MarkypieP
>Ever notice how quickly a thread goes "beyond critical mass"? We started out
>discussing door to door salespeople, and end up with a First Class Pissing
>Contest. Spew your bigotry elsewhere- this is rec.boats after all.
I know what you mean. Krause never passes up a chance to spew his left-wing
mantr to any who will listen.
ntn
"stargazer" <sings_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8hqllp$b8$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
I have noticed, in the course of this thread, many suggestions on how to deal with
telephone sales people or how to get the salesperson to hang up. Why bother with
all that? The telemarketers have interrupted YOU; they are the rude ones. Don't
worry about them.
Federal regulations mandate a 'do not call' list for every company conducting
telemarketing. You can cut off the pitch, ask them if they maintain a do-not-call
list (its illegal not to) and tell them to put your number(s) on it. The company
has to, and can't call you back for something like five years.
My name is apparently hard to pronounce - you have to say it just like it is
spelled, but most of these people don't pay attention - and I've never used my
given first name socially. Whenever I get some oh-so-chummy person calling my by
my first name like they know me, or some clod mangling our last name, I just hang
up. Why engage them? It isn't like I'm sitting home at suppertime desperately
hoping someone will call to sell me carpet or another long distance service.
My FIL will talk to telemarketers, listen to the pitch, try to explain to them why
he doesn't want whatever it is, and go back and forth with them. Once he is off
the phone, he expresses his annoyance with them. I figure, don't waste your time.
Get put on the list, or just hang up.
--
ntn
David S. Pendleton
"MarkypieP" <mark...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000609112005...@ng-ca1.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
MarkypieP
>What a load of crap. I probably pay more in taxes than you make.
No doubt.
And it was a load of crap, meant facetiously. Thank you for your support.
Charles Boyer
of
the
> kinds of work most of us would disdain.
Ahhh, the liberal mantra: take no blame whatsoever for your own position in
life. It's always someone else's fault. The truth is, if you don't succeed
in life it's probably YOUR fault.
<hkr...@capu.net> wrote in message news:3940D88E...@capu.net...
hkr...@capu.net
>
> So if I fly an ensign on my boat, will it keep the PWC away?
I think you need to fly at least a lieutenant commander...
--
Harry Krause
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Conformity obstructs progress.
hkr...@capu.net
>
> >Subject: Re: A real "hard sell", I am still smarting
>
> >Is yours the prison where the guards force the inmates
> >to fight so that they can bet on the results?
>
> Do you mostly make your living writing about bricks, or do you every
> once-in-a-while branch out into something really exciting like paving stones?
Actually, I specialize in terrazzo.
--
Harry Krause
------------
If its good, they'll stop making it.
hkr...@capu.net
>
> Igor <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
> news:slrn8k0pu...@manifold.algebra.com...
> > hkr...@capu.net <hkr...@capu.net> wrote:
> > *
> > * It's not really a matter of morality for me. I don't care what the
> > * fundamentalist Christians to whom I referred think or do to each other
> within
> > * the limited confines of their churches or social groups. I am offended
> when when
> > * they try to push their beliefs on people who do not share those beliefs.
> I
> > * resent their attempts to try to turn this country into a fundamentalist
> > * theocracy or to establish an official religion or to force what I
> consider their
> > * bigotry onto others.
> >
> > Well, that's one valid opinion.
>
> Read Harry's paragraph above first.
>
> It's not really a matter of opinion for me. I don't care what the political
> party hacks to whom I referred think or do to each other within the limited
> confines of their political party or political gatherings. I am offended
> when they try to push their beliefs on people who do not share those
> beliefs. I resent their attempts to try to turn this country into a into a
> mirror image of their beliefs or to eradicate all other political party's
> and their beliefs or to force what I consider their bigotry onto others.
>
> The problem is that statements and positions we advocate can betray our real
> intentions. If you are not careful then some one can take your words and by
> substituting just a few words turn them right back onto you to show that you
> are at least inconsistent and at most something far worse.
>
> Thanks
> Bert
Ahhh, but you are confusing religion with politics and vice versa. It is the
role of politicians to be political.
--
Harry Krause
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Do objects have to pay an inheritance tax?
Bert Robbins
hkr...@capu.net
>
> Bert Robbins <brob...@erols.com> wrote:
> *
> * Igor <ig...@Algebra.Com> wrote in message
> * news:slrn8k0pu...@manifold.algebra.com...
> * > hkr...@capu.net <hkr...@capu.net> wrote:
> * > *
> * > * It's not really a matter of morality for me. I don't care what the
> * within
> * > * the limited confines of their churches or social groups. I am offended
> * when when
> * > * they try to push their beliefs on people who do not share those beliefs.
> * I
> * > * resent their attempts to try to turn this country into a fundamentalist
> * > * theocracy or to establish an official religion or to force what I
> * consider their
> * > * bigotry onto others.
> * >
> * > Well, that's one valid opinion.
> *
> * Read Harry's paragraph above first.
> *
> * It's not really a matter of opinion for me. I don't care what the political
> * party hacks to whom I referred think or do to each other within the limited
> * confines of their political party or political gatherings. I am offended
> * when they try to push their beliefs on people who do not share those
> * beliefs. I resent their attempts to try to turn this country into a into a
> * mirror image of their beliefs or to eradicate all other political party's
> * and their beliefs or to force what I consider their bigotry onto others.
>
> Okay, that's another valid opinion.
>
> * The problem is that statements and positions we advocate can betray our real
> * intentions. If you are not careful then some one can take your words and by
> * substituting just a few words turn them right back onto you to show that you
> * are at least inconsistent and at most something far worse.
>
> We are all inconsistent to some extent.
>
> I am not sure what is your point.
>
There is no point to his statement, Igor.
--
Harry Krause
------------
If love makes the world go 'round, why can't I save a few bucks and get it to
run my car?
Gould 0738
Democrats, Environmentalists, the John Birch Society, Scientologists,
Greenpeace, Jehovah's Witness, or others........
Keep a copy of the Malleus Malleficarium (take that, spell check!), the Witch
Hammer, near the front door. It's actually an old text used by American and
European inquisitors for ferreting out purported "witches", but the title alone
is sufficient to frighten the heck out of anybody not acquainted with the
delightful history and content of the tome.
When the pitch starts, grab said book, open to any page that seems to fall
open, and start to read in a strange voice. Hold up the book so the caller can
see the cover.
If this doesn't drive them off, begin signing with strange, ethereal motions.
Not only will said proselytizer beat a very hasty retreat, but there's an added
benefit. You are unlikely to be bothered again by anybody from the same
organization, and it is probable that they will include you in their prayers!
(somewhere in or around the part about "deliver us from evil").... :-)
Waterlou4
It has been claimed that flying a USPS ensign will keep the Coasties away.
Same for a CME sticker, soon to be VSC (Vessel Safety Check).
USPS members will soon be doing VSC, which is now handled by USCGA members.
I'm taking the training next Wednesday. Should be interesting since I live
above a big marina and can easily bop down there at any time to do the job.
Waterlou4
taxes to help the homeless.<<
Whoa! Many of us couldn't afford our boats if not for the second home tax
exemption.
Waterlou4
life. It's always someone else's fault. The truth is, if you don't succeed
in life it's probably YOUR fault.<<
Correct. Drop out of school to have fun NOW, and the liberals will take care
of poor disadvantaged you later.
David Smalley
> >people behind,
>
> taxes. If we could get the fatcats to pay their fair share, instead of
> weaseling out with tax shelters, we could finance scads of social experiments-I
> mean programs. I would like to see a large hike in the capital gains tax for
> than one residence should be singled out for punitive taxes to help the
> homeless.
The way I heard that was that people who were almost able to afford a
house have to pay high taxes to house the ones who are too lazy to try.
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DAVe
hkr...@capu.net
Ahhh, the "me, first & screw you" generation, part of Ronnie Raygun's legacy.
The federal tax rates in this country are among the lowest of all modern Western
democracies.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a steep increase in short-term capital gain
tax rates.
--
Harry Krause
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hkr...@capu.net
Whoops...should have added "over and above ordinary income tax rates."
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If it can't be fixed with Vise-Grips & duct tape, it can't be fixed.
Gould 0738
>Ahhh, the "me, first & screw you" generation, part of Ronnie Raygun's legacy.
>
>The federal tax rates in this country are among the lowest of all modern
>Western
>democracies.
>
>Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a steep increase in short-term capital
>gain
>tax rates.
>
>--
>Harry Krause
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Harry, this is rec.boats, not rec.politics.
So maybe at least post, "I'd like to see a steep increase in short term capital
gains taxes....so all government employees can afford bigger boats", or
something thereabouts?