Frozen or Cold?
Kep
South-Central U.S. lake/river environment. I have read all the "Winterizing"
Deja and N.G. comments about "winterizing" but I was wondering if it was
only an "on or off"; "all or none"; winterize or trust your luck situation?
I now reside in an area where most of the days are above freezing during the
winter months. Lots of beautiful and sunny "come out and get on me" winter
days in the D.F.W. Texas area and the boat hangs in a sling under a covered
dock. The head and block cracking weather is really minimal but I realize
one hour of sub-thirty degree temp is enough to destroy a motor.
Do all power boat I/O owners that lift their craft out on a sling dock or
driveway trailer have to "winterize" and "re-winterize" several times a year
or is their some type of electric "dipstick" to warm the oil or blanket to
cover the top of the block? My neighbors are great folks but offer only a
blank stare when I ask if there is a system for using your boat and avoiding
freeze damage on an I/O at the same time. I had a lake pump freeze and split
last year so I know that the temp can get low over night but a few hours
after the freeze it was sunny and beautiful. Everyone in my immediate area
has an outboard and they say "I don't do anything to my motor".
Thanks in advance for any sound information.
Paul Jacobsen
Kep <k...@itexas.net> wrote in message news:7v8a3m$v...@enews3.newsguy.com...
First of all, only water freezes, the oil you are concerned about does
not freeze in Texas, never has, never will.
Secondly, an outboard is made to be self draining. Pull it out of
the water, leave it upright, and the water in the engine block, leg,
and water pump just uses gravity to drain it.
One of the biggest killers of ob s and io s is water in the lower unit
gearcase. When it expands it cracks the casting and then you got
a big chunk of money to pay. Avoid that by merely checking the oil
to see if it is a milky color. Clean oil is waterless oil.
The engine block and the exhaust manifolds both have water jackets.
If enough water is left in them and it gets darn cold then it freezes
and cracks the engine block and cracks the manifolds.
It's theoretically possible to crack the gearcase, the engine block,
and the exhaust manifolds all at the same time, but I ain't never
seen that one yet.
--
Paul
ApoCalypso
Hailing from the Port of Minneapolis.
CAM
<pejac...@leagent.net> wrote:
If the outside temputure drops to 28 degrees how long will it take for
the block to freeze and crack???1 hour, three hours or days???
Steven Shelikoff
>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:24:28 +1300, "Paul Jacobsen"
> <pejac...@leagent.net> wrote:
>
> If the outside temputure drops to 28 degrees how long will it take for
> the block to freeze and crack???1 hour, three hours or days???
Depends on how fast it dropped to 28. If it dropped really fast, the
block should still be warm from the higher temp before it dropped and it
would take longer to freeze, maybe several hours. If it dropped from
being at 32.1 for a long time, it could freeze very fast, like much less
than an hour. Also depends on how big/heavy it is and the surface area
to volume ratio. It's very unlikely that any block with straight water
in it would not freeze after being at 28 degrees for a day, even if you
ran it at operating tempurature the day before.
Steve
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CAM
was 50 degrees during the day. it was 31 at 1:00am and by morning it
was 27. I didn't want to winterize yet because now it is 80 degrees
and I am going boating tommorrow. Did I hurt my block??? Two dealers
said there was nothing to worry about since it was 50 dureing the
days. They say the temp has to drop below frezzing and stay there for
several days before you have to worry.
How do you know if you have damaged the boat??? Water pures out, water
in the oil how do you know and did I hurt my boat????
SoccerChSC
your block. Put earmuffs on you outdrive and apply water to the system. In a
few seconds you'll find out if you hurt something. Let it run for a while and
check your oil. Is there water in it?? If not your motor is fine.
Kevin Falconer
I've had many i/o's survive the early sub freeze drops with no problem. It's
the
0 to 15 or 20 degrees for long periods that'll get ya ! The slushy type of
freeze that occurs
just below 32 wont bother it much, the rock hard freeze at zero or below is a
block buster
waitin to happen.
Kevin
Paul Jacobsen
> There are freeze plugs on the motor that usually will pop out before you
crack
> your block.
"usually" if they don't relieve the pressure from the ice then you crack
your
engine block. Then you have to buy a new engine block.
The exhaust manifolds don't have freeze plugs. Then you have to buy a
new one.
The lower unit gearcase doesn't have freeze plugs. Then you have to
buy a new one.
Paul Jacobsen
Kevin Falconer <falc...@starnetinc.com> wrote in message
news:381AFBE5...@starnetinc.com...
There's one more thing to consider: DHMO contamination of the
boat if it sets all winter without being drained.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html will give you the full story!
And yes, DHMO is dangerous to all boats and is even fatal when
inhaled in very tiny amounts.
--
Paul
ApoCalypso
Hailing from the Port of Minneapolis.
"Wanted: Old Mercs!"
Phoenix
I missed something here, how does DMHO relate to winterizing your boat? My
newserver must be missing posts.
--
Jim
"Float and let Float ...... and if you don't then you are not only wrong,
you are evil..."
Paul Jacobsen <pejac...@leagent.net> wrote in message
news:z2JS3.1135$n7....@news2.randori.com...
Paul Jacobsen
Phoenix <jfga...@spamfree.mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:HXXS3.1643$hI6....@typhoon.southeast.rr.com...
> Paul,
> I missed something here, how does DMHO relate to winterizing your boat?
My
> newserver must be missing posts.
>
> --
> Jim
Undrained engine blocks always will always have at least a small level
of hydric acid or "DHMO" s in them.
Hydric acid is know to kill thousands every year, it is also widely used
in manufacturing because of economic considerations, is also found
in every tumor and is even corrosive to metal.
If you are environmentally sensitive then you will flush as much of it
as you can from your engine block and dispose of it in an
environmentally friendly way.
The corporate pirates of this world, such as Honda Marine don't
want you to know the story. They put profits before people and
Honda uses massive amounts of hydric acid.
Links for you http://www.dhmo.org
www.earthisland.org
Paul
Karl Denninger
LOL! I love it.
Dihydrogen Monoxide :-) That web page is HILARIOUS!
From the page:
What is DHMO?
Dihydrogen Monoxide, or DHMO, is a colorless and odorless chemical that
kills or maims thousands each year, primarily through accidental inhalation.
It has also been revealed to be a causative agent in many environmental
exposure incidents, industrial contaminations, automobile accidents, and
property damage. The dollar amount losses caused, and the lives impacted, by
the DHMO threat are virtually innumerable
NOW we know what keeps killing all those boaters who fall overboard! :-)
By God, we need to BAN this stuff!
--
--
Karl Denninger (ka...@denninger.net) Web: http://childrens-justice.org
Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for
a plan to do exactly that!
Paul Jacobsen
> From the page:
>
> What is DHMO?
> Dihydrogen Monoxide, or DHMO, is a colorless and odorless chemical that
> kills or maims thousands each year, primarily through accidental
inhalation.
> It has also been revealed to be a causative agent in many environmental
> exposure incidents, industrial contaminations, automobile accidents, and
> property damage. The dollar amount losses caused, and the lives impacted,
by
> the DHMO threat are virtually innumerable
>
> NOW we know what keeps killing all those boaters who fall overboard! :-)
> By God, we need to BAN this stuff!
Honda Marine will not support us in our efforts!!
Regulate
Educate
Moderate
Legislate
Boycott Honda Marine!!!
Paul
LaBomba182
>From: ka...@Genesis.Denninger.Net (Karl Denninger)
>snip<
>LOL! I love it.
>
>Dihydrogen Monoxide :-) That web page is HILARIOUS!
>
>From the page:
>
>What is DHMO?
>Dihydrogen Monoxide, or DHMO, is a colorless and odorless chemical that
>kills or maims thousands each year, primarily through accidental inhalation.
>It has also been revealed to be a causative agent in many environmental
>exposure incidents, industrial contaminations, automobile accidents, and
>property damage. The dollar amount losses caused, and the lives impacted, by
>the DHMO threat are virtually innumerable
>
>NOW we know what keeps killing all those boaters who fall overboard! :-)
>By God, we need to BAN this stuff!
>
>--
>--
>Karl Denninger (ka...@denninger.net)
>It has also been revealed to be a causative agent
in many environmental
>exposure incidents, industrial contaminations, automobile accidents, >snip<
Does this mean I can tell the Officer "No
sir I have not been drinking. But I may be over my DHMO limit." Capt. Bill
Cbdonospam
>"No
>sir I have not been drinking. But I may be over my DHMO limit." Capt. Bill
>
>
>
>
Straight DHMO. In a dirty glass...
LaBomba182
>From: cbdon...@aol.com (Cbdonospam)
Does this mean you're buying the first round? :-) Capt. Bill
greg...@my-deja.com
to the luddite and misanthropic hysteria of people like you. Check out
their web page at:
http://members.xoom.com/dhmoma/dhmoma.html
We will not succumb to your red and green plans for one world socialism.
We will defend liberty and property as they are properly defined!
--
Greg M. Johnson
"A moderately bad man knows he is not that good; a
terribly bad man thinks he is sufficiently
good." --C.S. Lewis
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Before you buy.
LaBomba182
>From: greg...@my-deja.com
>The Dihyrogen Monoxide Manufacturers Association has issued a rebuttal
>to the luddite and misanthropic hysteria of people like you. Check out
>their web page at:
>
>http://members.xoom.com/dhmoma/dhmoma.html
>
Great stuff! It`s about time the truth was told. And now I can take the Sucker
sticker off my back. :-) Capt. Bill
Cbdonospam
>>>"No
>>>sir I have not been drinking. But I may be over my DHMO limit." Capt.
>Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Straight DHMO. In a dirty glass...
>>
>Does this mean you're buying the first round? :-) Capt. Bill
>
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Here's DHMO in your eye!:-)
Craig