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Raymond T. Lowe

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Mar 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/18/00
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Honda finally revamped their previously lame website.

http://www.honda-marine.com


But whats really interesting is their prop data on the 130's. Check out
the last 4 entries for the Kenner 21 and Godfrey-Hurricane where they
tested various props on the same boat.

http://www.honda-marine.com/hmframeset.htm


You may recall a previous thread on WOT's, both claimed and theoretical.
Heres further evidence to suggest that pitch is a bigger variable when
dealing with blade shapes a little more complex than a ceiling fan. That
1000-2000RPM result really raises an eyebrow.

http://www.honda-marine.com/106.htm


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Harry Krause

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Mar 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/18/00
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Sorry. Variation such as that is NOT allowed, as it doesn't fit into the
formula of the posters here who believe such is simply NOT possible.

HONDA must be lying, right?


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Steven Shelikoff

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Mar 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/20/00
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"Raymond T. Lowe" wrote:
>
> Honda finally revamped their previously lame website.
>
> http://www.honda-marine.com
>
> But whats really interesting is their prop data on the 130's. Check out
> the last 4 entries for the Kenner 21 and Godfrey-Hurricane where they
> tested various props on the same boat.
>
> http://www.honda-marine.com/hmframeset.htm
>
> You may recall a previous thread on WOT's, both claimed and theoretical.
> Heres further evidence to suggest that pitch is a bigger variable when
> dealing with blade shapes a little more complex than a ceiling fan. That
> 1000-2000RPM result really raises an eyebrow.
>
> http://www.honda-marine.com/106.htm

Do you know what the gear ratio is? From looking at the high speed
figures, it appears to be around 2:1. If so, then the props are going
well less than the TMS as slow speed, which makes sense.

Also, the test was done on Lake Lanier, which, as many regular posters
here know, has so many strange phenomenon as to invalidate the results.

Steve

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Raymond T. Lowe

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Mar 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/21/00
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In article <38D63B82...@averstar.com>, shel...@averstar.com says...


The 130 has a 2:1 ratio. Invalidate the results? Doubtful. Same boat,
same engine, same day...

What I found most surprising was the differences between prop manu-
facturers throughout the rpm band. And if you look beyond just the
examples where the same boat was used, there are other large variances.

Harry Krause

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Mar 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/21/00
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Post enough variances and you will invalidate Steve...and we all know
how *he* reacts...67321 posts about twisty passages, all seemingly
alike.

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Steven Shelikoff

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Mar 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/21/00
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"Raymond T. Lowe" wrote:
>
> In article <38D63B82...@averstar.com>, shel...@averstar.com says...
> >
> >"Raymond T. Lowe" wrote:
> >>
> >> Honda finally revamped their previously lame website.
> >>
> >> http://www.honda-marine.com
> >>
> >> But whats really interesting is their prop data on the 130's. Check out
> >> the last 4 entries for the Kenner 21 and Godfrey-Hurricane where they
> >> tested various props on the same boat.
> >>
> >> http://www.honda-marine.com/hmframeset.htm
> >>
> >> You may recall a previous thread on WOT's, both claimed and theoretical.
> >> Heres further evidence to suggest that pitch is a bigger variable when
> >> dealing with blade shapes a little more complex than a ceiling fan. That
> >> 1000-2000RPM result really raises an eyebrow.
> >>
> >> http://www.honda-marine.com/106.htm
> >
> >Do you know what the gear ratio is? From looking at the high speed
> >figures, it appears to be around 2:1. If so, then the props are going
> >well less than the TMS as slow speed, which makes sense.
> >
> >Also, the test was done on Lake Lanier, which, as many regular posters
> >here know, has so many strange phenomenon as to invalidate the results.
> >
> >Steve
>
> The 130 has a 2:1 ratio. Invalidate the results? Doubtful. Same boat,
> same engine, same day...

The Lake Lanier thing was a joke.

> What I found most surprising was the differences between prop manu-
> facturers throughout the rpm band. And if you look beyond just the
> examples where the same boat was used, there are other large variances.

Surprising? I don't know. Different shaped props producing different
results doesn't surprise me. What also seemed logical is that there was
much more slip at slow speed then at high speed.

Steven Shelikoff

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Mar 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/21/00
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Harry Krause wrote:
> Post enough variances and you will invalidate Steve...and we all know
> how *he* reacts...67321 posts about twisty passages, all seemingly
> alike.

Tsk, Tsk, Harry's still pissed
that his nickname
will remain
Charlie Brown.

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