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Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 5, 2009, 4:01:20 PM11/5/09
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"New York City health officials scrambled to explain themselves on
Thursday following outraged media reports about bankers who got scarce
H1N1 flu vaccines through their employers.

Members of Congress fired off letters demanding immediate explanations
and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reminded state
and city health officers of the need to make sure the most vulnerable
people get shots first."

"....16 of the city's 25 biggest employers had vaccine, including
Columbia University, Citi Group and others, as well as the Federal
Reserve Bank, which is not among the top 25 employers."

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A44QI20091105

A report on CNBC today indicated that - heh, who would have figured
this - that Goldman Sachs executives and high level employees got
their swine flu shots almost as soon as the vaccine was released.

CITIgroup was another beneficiary of Hope and Change.

Kathleen Sebelius is incompetent and should be fired immediately.
She's in charge and she blew it.

The best part? All that vaccine that's supposed to come online in
December?

It's behind schedule by 30 days.

~~ snerk ~~

H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 4:09:54 PM11/5/09
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On 11/5/09 4:01 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
> "New York City health officials scrambled to explain themselves on
> Thursday following outraged media reports about bankers who got scarce
> H1N1 flu vaccines through their employers.
>
> Members of Congress fired off letters demanding immediate explanations
> and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reminded state
> and city health officers of the need to make sure the most vulnerable
> people get shots first."
>
> "....16 of the city's 25 biggest employers had vaccine, including
> Columbia University, Citi Group and others, as well as the Federal
> Reserve Bank, which is not among the top 25 employers."
and Change.
>
> Kathleen Sebelius is incompetent and should be fired immediately.
> She's in charge and she blew it.


This from a yahoo whose highest achievement in life was a stint in the
marines?

>>snerk<<

Jim

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Nov 5, 2009, 4:16:37 PM11/5/09
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From the keyboard of Harry Krause, the draft dodging coward. Shame on
you Krause.

Lu Powell

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"Jim" <**@**.com> wrote in message
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Hairy only knows how to attack messengers with personal insults. Typical of
the loony lefts.

Loogypicker

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Nov 5, 2009, 4:29:33 PM11/5/09
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> the loony lefts.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Really? I'm on the left, show me where I've done such. Not to worry, I
won't expect an apology. Seems to be alot of that going around lately.

H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 4:44:39 PM11/5/09
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I consider the messenger along with the message, lu-ser. That's why I
consider everything you post here bullshit.

Lu Powell

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"Loogypicker" <loogy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I was wrong to put you in the same category as Hairy. I won't make that
mistake again. thanks for the reality check.


H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:25:08 PM11/5/09
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I don't discriminate. You and loogy are dumb as turds.

nom=de=plume

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" <remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote in
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You sound like an extraordinary optimist. It's nice to know that your
expectations of Obama and all the 1000s of employees are so high that you
would expect, nay demand, that on the day after inauguration day all of the
problems with gov't would be solved. I'm a pretty optimistic person, but you
really have me beat!

But, I have hope that some day, I'll be as optimistic as you...

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H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:33:53 PM11/5/09
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It comes from the bang-up job Tom did while with the marines in vietnam.
You know, the earlier war we shouldn't have gotten into...and lost. Tom
and his pack of mustered out old farts think they won there, and even
thought 1,000,000 vietnamese died, it was "worth it."


Jim

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:47:19 PM11/5/09
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Are you slipping the bimbette drugs. Better be careful. She might be a
minor.

Tosk

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:52:35 PM11/5/09
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In article <doe6f5tljbs8rao50...@4ax.com>,
remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org says...

What the fuck? This is just getting ridiculous. you must work for FOX
news, you should understand these special people need to be protected,
otherwise, the sun will fall out of the sky and we will have to close
all the schools, fire departments, lay off police, and what about the
children??? Who will take care of the children???

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Tosk

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:54:37 PM11/5/09
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In article <BpHIm.22033$1g6....@newsfe10.iad>, harrywho?@biteme.com
says...

Harry just wants exactly this type of attention.. I still say leave him
to gab with the other desk dwelling cowards here. Maybe if we are lucky
he will eat one of his widdew cap guns...

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H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:59:03 PM11/5/09
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I'm saving my pistols for the first idiot who tries to break into my
house. Guess who the odds seem to favor these days?

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 6:19:12 PM11/5/09
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I had the expectation that once Bush got in office, things would get
worse. He never disappointed me.

Jack

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:09:47 PM11/5/09
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On Nov 5, 5:47 pm, Jim <**@**.com> wrote:
> H the K wrote:
> > On 11/5/09 5:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
> >> "Tom Francis - SWSports"<removeem...@rejectswsportsdot.org>  wrote in
> >> messagenews:doe6f5tljbs8rao50...@4ax.com...

It's funny how BO was given credit for directing the operation to
shoot those pirates, and he had no trouble funneling nearly a trillion
bucks to his buddies, but now he can't even handle the flu, and that's
OK with the liberals.

These koolaid drinking lefties are some big-time idiots, huh?

John H.

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:25:12 PM11/5/09
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Harry, you'll get approval from nomdeplum, Don, and jps for this post.
I will give you my monthly reply, and I'm sure it will make your day.
Even though I'm not a believer in name-calling, I have to say that
this post of yours shows that:

You are a total, fucking waste.
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Conservative = Good
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I agree. John H

nom=de=plume

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:34:53 PM11/5/09
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"John H." <removeths...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't give my approval for personal insults. Neither do I need to give my
approval for someone saying something nice.

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nom=de=plume

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"Jack" <threep...@live.com> wrote in message
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I didn't realize the Roch was controlled by President Obama. Thanks for the
update!

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nom=de=plume

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"jps" <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in message
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Honestly, I was dismayed when Bush took office, but the economy was humming
along, and since he was mostly on vacation, I figured it wouldn't be too
bad. Sure, some social programs would be gutted, but then people would wise
up and vote him out in four years.

Then 9/11 came, and he seemed to be hitting the right mark. Then, it all
went off the tracks when the Iraq invasion was being pushed. Several of my
friends said he was lying, but I said I didn't think so, even though I
thought the weapons inspectors should have been given more time. I remember
Rice talking about the "mushroom cloud" scenario. We were all still jittery
after the bombings. I didn't believe he or Cheney would lie about something
like WMDs, and everyone thought Saddam was a very bad customer. I was even
more convinced when Powell sat in front of the UN and made the claims he
did.

Then, as the first few months passed, the lies became transparent, obvious.
It all went down hill from there. But, I was still hopeful that the American
people would figure it out, esp. with Kerry, a true war hero running. We
know what happened then. More filthy lies and more eroding of our civil
liberties. Now Obama is trying to undo some of Bush's crap, including the
economic mess. It's going to take a while, and I give him latitude to try.

Others clearly are not interested in that. Fear-bases strategies are very
effective. We need to be vigilant. We saw what happened the last time we let
down our guard.

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jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:22:00 PM11/5/09
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I think half our guard is on permanent vacation. Between religion, a
bad case of affluenza, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, the
middle class under assault, civics no longer a part of our society,
fear-based politics, divisive issues... we have lost track of the
ball. We don't know if we're on offense or defense, what the rules
are, what we stand for, what we need to protect, what we should try to
affect and what's beyond our means. Washington is a cesspool of
scheming and greed.

The latest thing to capture our imagination is recovering from Bush
and Cheney.

It's not a very exciting endeavor to recover but it's worth the
investment. It's worth investing in our own infrastructure instead of
destroying someone else's and paying to rebuild their country.

What happened to being interested in the welfare of our country?

Did it die after WWII? Is that the last time we were really
threatened and needed to pull together? I think we're lost. We've
lost touch with our values, ideals, goals.

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.

Look at the fight we're having over health care. People are angrier
about this than sending our troops into harms way for no good
reason???

We have a chance to focus on what's next but we're having to overcome
the inertia of Bush, wars, state-side spying, a devisive election,
etc. I hope we find our focus and a way to rebuild. This is a
frightening time, not based on the fear they're trying to sell.

Don White

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:22:32 PM11/5/09
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"John H." <removeths...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So..here you go, being an ass again Johnny.
Unlike you and your Drone Army we sometimes have differing opinions.


jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:23:25 PM11/5/09
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That little bit of intelligence was courtesy of Jack Goff.

Properly named.

H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:31:16 PM11/5/09
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When an indisputable p.o.s like herring insults you, it's all good.

Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:35:03 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:09:47 -0800 (PST), Jack <threep...@live.com>
wrote:

>These koolaid drinking lefties are some big-time idiots, huh?

Nah - it's hard for some of our righteous lefties to think if only
because their brain pans are filled with hot bubble gum fondue instead
of brain matter.

You have to feel sorry for them.

Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:39:27 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:25:12 -0500, John H.
<removeths...@gmail.com> wrote:

>You are a total, fucking waste.

He has the mental acuity of a prostate tumor that has accidentally
achieved low level sentience by ingesting a hundred tabs of LSD at
once.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:56:05 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:

<<snipped for relevancy>>

>Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
>country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.
>

And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

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Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:56:03 PM11/5/09
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Ok, that wasn't fair. What is really going on is that he is shamed by
his inability to understand the narrative - he keeps at the
contextual strands until the strands become cracks which become chasms
which become an abyss into which he stares until it bares his dark
heart and blackened soul driving him into insanity of the worst kind
in recognition of his status as a worthless social parasite gaining
sustinence out of the garbage pails and dumpsters of Mother Union.

I mean it's either that or his adult diaper is full and he's too lazy
to change it.

Nah - I was right the first time.

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:11:04 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
><<snipped for relevancy>>
>
>>Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
>>country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.
>>
>
>And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
>Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
>of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bullshit.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a shithole between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:12:04 PM11/5/09
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You don't have to, nor do you. So WTF are you talking about?

H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:30:06 PM11/5/09
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Ooooooooh....how impressive.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:30:22 PM11/5/09
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The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:32:03 PM11/5/09
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On 11/5/09 8:56 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:39:27 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
> <remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:25:12 -0500, John H.
>> <removeths...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You are a total, fucking waste.
>>
>> He has the mental acuity of a prostate tumor that has accidentally
>> achieved low level sentience by ingesting a hundred tabs of LSD at
>> once.
>
> Ok, that wasn't fair. What is really going o

The narrative? You mean your mindless right-wing ejaculations here?
That's your narrative?


>>snerk<<

H the K

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:32:42 PM11/5/09
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He tried to squeeze into his uniform so he could parade around the ward...

Jim

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:57:08 PM11/5/09
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Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

nom=de=plume

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:21:53 PM11/5/09
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" <remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote in
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Ok, that's a bad image, but it is funny.

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Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:22:40 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim <**@**.com> wrote:

>Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.

Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.

I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
chancroid.

Think about that one for a second. :>)

nom=de=plume

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" <remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote in
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Mmmmm.... bubble gum fondue. Now I know what to serve for dinner when my
nieces and nephews come over!

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nom=de=plume

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:26:20 PM11/5/09
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<jpj...@psbnewton.com> wrote in message
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I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt civility,
but it's a tough road.

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Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:38:10 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

Bill McKee

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:52:26 PM11/5/09
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"H the K" <groun...@snerkville.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/5/09 4:01 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
>> "New York City health officials scrambled to explain themselves on
>> Thursday following outraged media reports about bankers who got scarce
>> H1N1 flu vaccines through their employers.
>>
>> Members of Congress fired off letters demanding immediate explanations
>> and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reminded state
>> and city health officers of the need to make sure the most vulnerable
>> people get shots first."
>>
>> "....16 of the city's 25 biggest employers had vaccine, including
>> Columbia University, Citi Group and others, as well as the Federal
>> Reserve Bank, which is not among the top 25 employers."
> and Change.
>>
>> Kathleen Sebelius is incompetent and should be fired immediately.
>> She's in charge and she blew it.
>
>
> This from a yahoo whose highest achievement in life was a stint in the
> marines?
>
> >>snerk<<

You used to judge people by how high their degrees were piled. This must
make you crap, as Tom's is piled higher and deeper than yours. And he most
likely got it in a North Eastern School and not Kansas.


jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:54:22 PM11/5/09
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I guarantee and would put money on the fact that I live in a more
culturally diverse neighborhood and section of town than you.

My kids go to school with kids from 23 nationalties and every religion
you could think of. Public school. Central city.

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 10:55:12 PM11/5/09
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You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.

Go sell some insurance to some poor sucker.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:02:53 PM11/5/09
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Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:14:18 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:

<<relegated to page 8>>


>>>
>>>So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
>>>to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.
>>>
>>>If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.
>>
>>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>
>You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.
>

You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:18:36 PM11/5/09
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That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

jps

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
><<relegated to page 8>>
>>>>
>>>>So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
>>>>to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.
>>>>
>>>>If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.
>>>
>>>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>>>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>>
>>You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.
>>
>
>You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
>phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
>for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
your assumption of such.

But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:22:45 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
<remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:


> the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>

??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :>)

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:24:32 PM11/5/09
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himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :>)

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:27:15 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
><remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>>
>>>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>>>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>>
>>What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
>>whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
>>literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>>
>>People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
>>"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
>>naturally act odd by default.
>
>That's a perspective I hadn't considered.
>
>The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
>prism of hostility.

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

I know you're whining your little ass off about what's happening with
health care. Are people going to die as a result? Will more dollars
be committed to health care than were focused on war over the last 8
years?

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:40:22 PM11/5/09
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Even in Mode Pugulist, your insults lack panache.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:43:36 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:40:22 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:43 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><<relegated to page 8>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
>>>>>>to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>>>>>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>>>>
>>>>You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
>>>phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
>>>for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.
>>
>>You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
>>being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
>>your assumption of such.
>>
>>But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
>>ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.
>
>Even in Mode Pugulist, your insults lack panache.

My spellchecker lied to me. "Pugulist" is actually "Pugilist.

jps

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:40:22 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:43 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><<relegated to page 8>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
>>>>>>to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>>>>>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>>>>
>>>>You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
>>>phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
>>>for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.
>>
>>You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
>>being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
>>your assumption of such.
>>
>>But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
>>ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.
>
>Even in Mode Pugulist, your insults lack panache.

I'm not aiming for panache. That's you and Ms. Prejean's cup of tea.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:45:40 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:

<<snipped ditheringly>>


>
>How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
>as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
>and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
>for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:47:14 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
><remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>
>
>> the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>>
>
>??
>
>Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :>)

He's a homophobe. You too?

jps

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:50:58 PM11/5/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:45:40 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
><<snipped ditheringly>>
>>
>>How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
>>as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
>>and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
>>for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?
>
>What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
>to Iraq"?

Sorry, I asked you the questions first. You answer mine, I'll answer
yours. That's how it works in civil, reasoned exchanges.

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:51:11 PM11/5/09
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Designing phantoms...

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:02:27 AM11/6/09
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A reasoned exchange wouldn't be one that begs the question. There is
no rational answer for a logical fallacy other than to correct the
fallacy. And I doubt, considering your history, that you would accept
correction.

So I'll repeat a question that doesn't strive for fallacy;

What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
to Iraq"?

--

jps

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:05:22 AM11/6/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:02:27 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:50:58 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:45:40 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><<snipped ditheringly>>
>>>>
>>>>How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
>>>>as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
>>>>and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
>>>>for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?
>>>
>>>What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
>>>to Iraq"?
>>
>>Sorry, I asked you the questions first. You answer mine, I'll answer
>>yours. That's how it works in civil, reasoned exchanges.
>
>A reasoned exchange wouldn't be one that begs the question. There is
>no rational answer for a logical fallacy other than to correct the
>fallacy. And I doubt, considering your history, that you would accept
>correction.
>
>So I'll repeat a question that doesn't strive for fallacy;
>
>What were the reasons for "sending our fellow citizens and tax dollars
>to Iraq"?

G'nite.

jps

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:10:44 AM11/6/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:51:11 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:47:14 -0800, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
>>><remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>??
>>>
>>>Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :>)
>>
>>He's a homophobe. You too?
>
>Designing phantoms...

Uh, I didn't call out the fact that Bromances and Lesbian Bodice
Rippers are penned in Seattle. That he assumes that the whiteness of
my area or that writers exist in the city has any relevance to my
state of mind is ludicrous.

If he projects that those environmental attributes affect my thinking,
he obviously thinks it'd affect his. It's quite clear he's not strong
enough to resist such influences. Therefore, he must be a homophobe.

Sweet dreams Mr. Insurance Salesman.

Bill McKee

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"jps" <tr...@thedump.com> wrote in message
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Your kids may live in diversity.


nom=de=plume

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<jpj...@psbnewton.com> wrote in message
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I haven't done that in a long time. :)

--
Nom=de=Plume


Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:26:23 AM11/6/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
><remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>>
>>>The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
>>>reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>>
>>What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
>>whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
>>literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>>
>>People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
>>"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
>>naturally act odd by default.
>
>That's a perspective I hadn't considered.
>
>The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
>prism of hostility.

One step away from going postal I suspect. The open hostility towards
different views indicates extreme isolation - akin to Charles Manson
or Ted Kaczynski. You could almost consider Seattle a compound
similar to David Koresh's Branch Davidians only with a different focal
point.

jps

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:19:51 AM11/6/09
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I know my kids friend's parents.

They're all shapes, sizes, colors, nationalities, religions.

jps

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:22:16 AM11/6/09
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:26:23 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
<remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:

You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
and climate change and you piss on Democrats and liberals in them.

Don't even start with your holier than thou bullshit.

You're a player in this game so don't try to distance yourself.

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:07:59 AM11/6/09
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:08 -0500, Jim <**@**.com> wrote:
>
>> Harry's chicken suit still fits him perfectly.
>
> Now that's just going too far - insulting chickens like that.
>
> I heard he actually went trick or treating dressed as a ballantial
> chancroid.
>
> Think about that one for a second. :>)
>
The plum will never think of Harry in the same way again. We knew he has
a pustule problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this. Who would have known? Except
for JPS, and Donnie, of course.
Think about that one for a second.

H the K

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:23:25 AM11/6/09
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Tom is just another right-wing whacko. Dime a dozen around here.

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:52:04 AM11/6/09
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>> You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
>> and climate change and you piss on Democrats and liberals in them.

He's doing the right thing. God bless him.

John H.

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Nov 6, 2009, 7:10:28 AM11/6/09
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:22:32 -0400, "Don White"
<whi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>
>"John H." <removeths...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:14r6f59s5jqtukpts...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:09:54 -0500, H the K
>> <groun...@snerkville.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/5/09 4:01 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
>>>> "New York City health officials scrambled to explain themselves on
>>>> Thursday following outraged media reports about bankers who got scarce
>>>> H1N1 flu vaccines through their employers.
>>>>
>>>> Members of Congress fired off letters demanding immediate explanations
>>>> and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reminded state
>>>> and city health officers of the need to make sure the most vulnerable
>>>> people get shots first."
>>>>
>>>> "....16 of the city's 25 biggest employers had vaccine, including
>>>> Columbia University, Citi Group and others, as well as the Federal
>>>> Reserve Bank, which is not among the top 25 employers."
>>> and Change.
>>>>
>>>> Kathleen Sebelius is incompetent and should be fired immediately.
>>>> She's in charge and she blew it.
>>>
>>>
>>>This from a yahoo whose highest achievement in life was a stint in the
>>>marines?
>>>
>>> >>snerk<<
>>
>> Harry, you'll get approval from nomdeplum, Don, and jps for this post.
>> I will give you my monthly reply, and I'm sure it will make your day.
>> Even though I'm not a believer in name-calling, I have to say that
>> this post of yours shows that:
>>
>> You are a total, fucking waste.
>> --
>> Loogy says:
>>
>> Conservative = Good
>> Liberal = Bad
>>
>> I agree. John H
>>
>
>So..here you go, being an ass again Johnny.
>Unlike you and your Drone Army we sometimes have differing opinions.
>

Thanks, Don. I wanted to be sure HK got the message.

With no knowledge whatsoever, I can't see how you three could have
*any* opinion of Tom's service in the Marines.
--
John H

**************************
"That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krause truism)

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 7:26:25 AM11/6/09
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When they see a man or woman in uniform, it makes them feel inadequate
and they lash out to make themselves feel better and more manly.

TopBassDog

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Nov 6, 2009, 7:29:16 AM11/6/09
to
On Nov 6, 5:23 am, H the K <groundz...@snerkville.com> wrote:
> On 11/6/09 4:22 AM, jps wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:26:23 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
> > <removeem...@rejectswsportsdot.org>  wrote:

>
> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>
> >>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
> >>> <removeem...@rejectswsportsdot.org>  wrote:

>
> >>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
>
> >>>>> The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
> >>>>> reason.  You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.
>
> >>>> What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
> >>>> whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
> >>>> literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>
> >>>> People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
> >>>> "diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
> >>>> naturally act odd by default.
>
> >>> That's a perspective I hadn't considered.
>
> >>> The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
> >>> prism of hostility.
>
> >> One step away from going postal I suspect.  The open hostility towards
> >> different views indicates extreme isolation - akin to Charles Manson
> >> or Ted Kaczynski.  You could almost consider Seattle a compound
> >> similar to David Koresh's Branch Davidians only with a different focal
> >> point.
>
> > You post 5 or more OT posts a day that are purposeful rags on Obama
> > and climate change and you piss on Democrats and liberals in them.
>
> > Don't even start with your holier than thou bullshit.
>
> > You're a player in this game so don't try to distance yourself.
>
> Tom is just another right-wing whacko. Dime a dozen around here.

Herr Krause. Categorically speaking, where do you place yourself?

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:02:41 AM11/6/09
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:55:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
<nom=d...@plume.invalid> wrote:

If only I had more time to read! It seems I have to spend most of my
time earning a living...

John H.

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:41:28 AM11/6/09
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Well, I sure hope it helps them, especially given the man whose
service they chose to denigrate.

Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:01:42 AM11/6/09
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:22:45 -0600, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
><remov...@rejectswsportsdot.org> wrote:
>
>
>> the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.
>>
>

>??
>
>Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :>)

The whole genre started out as a fan-fic thing - fan fiction about TV
shows and/or movies. The homoerotic thing started, believe it or not,
on Usenet groups dedicated to these shows and all of a sudden took
off. This had to be somewhere about '95 when "Xena - Warrior
Princess" first aired - thereabouts anyway. The whole Xena/Gabrielle
character interaction sparked an interest in lesbian fan fic (there
was a purported lesbian undertone to the Xena/Gabrielle pairing -
Gabrielle who started off as a naive farm girl who turned into a
warrior and was inseperable from Xena) and the genre took off from
there. Sam Raimi was one of the producers of "Xena" and knowing just
how weird Raimi is, it wouldn't surprize me if he intended that to
happen.

Nothing wrong with that of course and some of this particular genre
are very good. There's a series of gay/lesbian historical novels ala
C.S. Forrester's Hornblower series (no double entendre or pun
intended) that is outstanding although the addition of sex into the
plot lines is a little offputting.

Hey - what ever floats your boat as it were. (That was intended - get
it - boat/float - rec.boats?)

Don White

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:32:28 AM11/6/09
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"John H." <removeths...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Playing games again Johnny?
When did I comment on Tom's service record. You transparent ploy is
obvious to even the Dopy Army irregulars.


Don White

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:33:39 AM11/6/09
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"Jim" <**@**.com> wrote in message
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Yeah...when I see you in your Village People 'sailor-boy' getup. ~~ Snerk
~~


H the K

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:39:17 AM11/6/09
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When I contemplate losers like herring and flajim "in uniform," I no
longer have any doubts why we had our butts handed to us in vietnam.

Don White

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:39:58 AM11/6/09
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"Jim" <**@**.com> wrote in message
news:00938058$0$12351$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...

You claim you know about an alleged "pustule problem"....... I know of no
such ailment.
What does this say about you?
"Think about that one for a second", Sailor-Boy


H the K

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:43:45 AM11/6/09
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Apparently whenever flajim pees, he notices his pustules. No wonder mrs.
flajim won't have anything to do with him. I wonder if he contracted
them from...tuskie.

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:02:22 PM11/6/09
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You and harry are so close that you deserve to share in all his glory.

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:03:50 PM11/6/09
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You wear the chicken suit well herr krause.

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:15:45 PM11/6/09
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Step back a bit in time and see if you can find a reference to
aforementioned pustule. It's there. Look for it.
http://bassreport.com/forum/rec.boats.t611112.htm
You are such a dumb foch. It's almost unbelievable.

John H.

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:17:36 PM11/6/09
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:32:28 -0400, "Don White"
<whi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

When did you disagree with anything he said?

Your golden silence speaks for itself.

jps

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:36:17 PM11/6/09
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You could recapture a shitload of time if you curtailed your
overweight ponderings and attendant spelling corrections.

I thought you spent most of your time volunteering to help those less
fortunate than yourself. I know of a way you could dedicate even more
time to the cause.

nom=de=plume

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:40:39 PM11/6/09
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<jpj...@psbnewton.com> wrote in message
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I know the feeling. I'm fortunate in that I own my own business, I work
nearly 100% at home, and I don't have any set hours. Of course, the latter
isn't too good if it means being up at 1am to get things ready for the next
morning at 8 am. I like to get up early, weather permitting, and go for a
run, so 1am gets old fast.

Sometimes I sit in front of the computer (like now), waiting for something
that will need a very quick response. I've done "nothing" for hours
sometimes. Then, it comes in a tidal wave. The crunch days are (right now)
usually Thurs through Monday (not much happens on Sat., but I have to
prepare for Sunday), with stuff just trickling in the other days. As the
holiday season approaches though, it'll expand to most of the week, but
that's only through mid-Jan.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:42:50 PM11/6/09
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Well, I don't share your opinion of Don - I like Don. Sold him my
Princecraft and he was a delight to talk to in person. Interesting
guy. I stay away from his little wars with others in this group.

And I respect his knowledge of sailboats and his penchant for
historical knowledge of him home town. Not a lot of people know the
history of where they live or bother to take the time to learn.

The others? Yeah, I'd agree with you. :>)

H the K

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:48:11 PM11/6/09
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The wookie SW Tom doesn't like it when it becomes apparent he is full of
shit.

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:55:18 PM11/6/09
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I don't dislike Donnie. I Don't even know him. All I know is how he
presents himself here and offer him, I think, appropriate interaction
based on how he behaves.

Tom Francis - SWSports

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:07:24 PM11/6/09
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Good enough - just thought I'd throw my two cents into the mix.

Then again, Usenet brings out the worst in all of us - has since the
day it it first started up.

H the K

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:11:35 PM11/6/09
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On 11/6/09 4:07 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

>
> Then again, Usenet brings out the worst in all of us - has since the
> day it it first started up.

With your unpredictable and wild mood swings, I'll bet we haven't even
been close to your "worst."

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:33:44 PM11/6/09
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Agreed

John H.

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:34:50 PM11/6/09
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I think Donnie jumped on the Harry bandwagon and is not unable to get
off. He's probably a damn nice guy, but his words and actions emulate
Harry. It's a shame he can't get over it.
--
John H

************************************************************************************
"That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus." (Harry Krausism)
************************************************************************************

John H.

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:43:18 PM11/6/09
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...delete the 'not' in front of 'unable'...

Jim

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:53:01 PM11/6/09
to John H.

He allows himself to be manipulated by Krause. That's not good.

Rob

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:56:03 PM11/6/09
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Sad and unpatriotic.

Rob

Rob

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:57:21 PM11/6/09
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Take your shit elsewhere, jerk.

Rob

Rob

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:59:17 PM11/6/09
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You don't seem to post anything but antagonistic crap. You also seem to
jump into other posts that have nothing to do with you. Got a boat, sailor?

Rob

Rob

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:06:28 PM11/6/09
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He come across as a childish idiot. And that was just this week.

Rob

jpj...@psbnewton.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 10:35:57 PM11/6/09
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I've tried to help you as much as is humanly possible. From this
point, only divine intervention will make a difference.

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Tosk

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Nov 6, 2009, 10:46:04 PM11/6/09
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In article <kdSdnQkY74W8SWnX...@giganews.com>,
R...@gmail1.com says...

Harry will never do that. He has been here spewing lies, and showing his
true colors for over a decade. He is a victim of serious abuse as a
child, and continues the cycle to this day, that's why his kids
abandoned him long ago. Either way, unfortunately there are still some
here stupid enough to engage him, and that attention, negative or
positive, is all he needs to cling on...

--
Wafa free again.

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