Fuel Starvation?
DownTime
to have one of the 'sex-bolt'-like nuts on the inside of the tank break
off and fall into the tank. The only access is via the small opening
when the sender goes in. Unable to retrieve the broken nut, I called
around and heard from three hopefully reliable sources that there is a
strainer at the fuel line to prevent things such as this from entering
the fuel line.
During the second trip out since the new sender was installed, we were
just about to the causeway bridge when the engine was acting as if it
was not getting enough fuel. Watching the fuel management gauge, I
noticed it going from its normal 11 gal at that speed, and slowly and
consistently drop to just under 6 gal and then started to buck and
hesitate as if not enough fuel. I was able to throttle down to idle and
after a minute or so, throttle up again. This was a consistent behavior
during the entire outing. Eventually idled home last last nite. On the
positive side, it was a clear nite, almost full moon and relatively no
boat traffic.
All symptoms to me indicate the nut may be blocking the fuel line
leading from the tank. The main access hatch where the feel sender is
installed is NOT at the stern end of the fuel tank. It would be very
difficult to gain access to the tank.
The boat is just 4.5 years old. It looking at the other components, I
also noticed this is the original fuel bulb as when it was new. It did
not feel 'hard' as it had been, and almost had a feel of simply being
old rubber. This is a saltwater environment and one thought is maybe an
air leak or some other scenario besides the extra nut in the tank. I
plan to today replace the bulb and any lines I can access which may
appear dried, cracked, old, or simply a possible candidate to the problem.
Any suggestions on maybe how to retrieve the nut from within the tank
via the maybe 2 1/2 inch opening into an 80-gallon fuel tank? Any other
ideas besides the nut which might help me resolve this issue?
Thanx in advance!!!
Don White
"DownTime" <DownT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Wonder what metal that nut is made of??
If it's something magnetic, you should be able to find a long flexible wand
with a powerful magnet on the end for 'fishing'....
Jim
Easy to tell if your problem is tank related. Take the small fuel line off
the top of the tank and feed it into a portable tank full of fresh gas. If
this fixes it you got tank problems. Clogged vent or collapsed vent tube.
Clogged pickup screen. Bolt lodged in pickup tube(highly unlikely). Pinhole
in pickup tube. (also highly unlikely).
Larry
__WdnQTRAJ5m0B7Vn...@comcast.com:
> The boat is just 4.5 years old. It looking at the other components, I
> also noticed this is the original fuel bulb as when it was new. It did
> not feel 'hard' as it had been, and almost had a feel of simply being
> old rubber.
That bulb is your best friend for fuel system troubleshooting.
Put the engine down but don't start it.
Pump the bulb.
Does the bulb remain flat and refuse to fill when you release it?
If no, and it fills up, the tank intake is clear as the bulb sucked gas
out of the tank fine.
If yes, is the tank shutoff valve in the OPEN position. (Don't tell us,
it's too embarrassing in a group like this.)
If the valve is open and the bulb won't refill, something is blocking
the line....or the anti-siphon valve the tank is supposed to have in it.
Ok, so the bulb refills and it's not the tank plugged up....now what?
Pump the bulb until it gets hard in a few squeezes.
If you can't make it pump up hard, two things....stuck float valve in
one of the carbs or hole in the fuel pump rubber diaphram (or the line
fell off the engine I suppose in the absurd department).
Assuming the motor is in the water tied to the dock and in
neutral....crank the motor. Do all the cylinders run or is one of them
rough as a cob, the one the pulse fuel pump runs off of? Fuel pump
ruptured...filling crankcase with gas if you pump the bulb while it's
running.
Does the motor smooth out when you pump the bulb while it's running?
Maybe the fuel pump's pulse hose has cracked or is hanging loose so it's
not pumping the crappy rubber diaphram....
When the motor runs a while, does the bulb collapse? That could be a
clogged vent in the tank....Open the gas cap while watching the bulb to
see if the bulb fills back out....from the clogged vent.
The bulb does lots of logical troubleshooting for you, just how it feels
and pumps and its collapsed condition.
Put a magnet to one of the other nuts to see if it sticks to the magnet.
it shouldn't as stainless steel is non-magnetic, but that doesn't stop
boat companies from using cheap nuts we can retrieve with a magnet.
If the nuts stick to the magnet, hang a magnet down into the tank on a
piece of small fishing line so it lays on the bottom. It will soon
collect all the nuts, tools, missing sockets, cotter pins, etc. everyone
who had the tank open dropped into it....that's magnetic, that is...(c;
Small fishing line can be run out of the tank beside the rubber gasket
without hurting it. Leave the little magnet in the tank permanently for
the next idiot who drops something into the tank to use....(c;
Hell, some scammers are selling fuel line magnets that improve mileage
by 30%! If you leave the magnet in the gas, the tank may fill itself
and we'll have to pump out the excess or leave the motor running all the
time to keep up!
.....sure it will. It says so right in the ad!....(c;
jamesgangnc
The chances of the nut blocking the pickup are very slim to none. I'd want
to get it out though as the combination of it, whatever metal your tank is,
and the sludge at the bottom of the tank might be a formula for corrosion.
Auto tool places have magnetic pickups on the end of a long flexible rod.
Get one of those.
Is the pickup welded in? Sometimes they come out like a sending unit. I
agree it sounds like fuel starvation. Replacing all the rubber is a good
place to start. Even if that's not the problem it gets old anyway.
DownTime
>
Thanx to the responders so far. I've decided to replace all the rubber
from the top of the tank to the intake to the engine. Next is to replace
all filters as well.
While in the local neighborhood marine supply store, in talking to the
very helpful clerk, he mentioned he's heard recently of quite a few
people having problems more related to the latest shipments of ethanol
enhanced gas.
In speaking with a local tank cleaning company, who by the way are
coming tomorrow morning to clean the tank, he mentioned that ethanol is
really more like a solvent and will work to strip away any built-up
sludge or deposits from inside the tank. Even in speaking with my
regular mechanic, the nut in the tank is more a coincidence than the
problem. Once the tank is cleaned and everything back together, I'll
post an update.
By the way, I had also recently received an email notice from the BMW
dealership stating that use of ethanol products in my M3 could
contribute to invalidating the warranty.
Stay tuned...
James...@gmail.com
Odds are good the tank cleaning will also remove the offending nut.
It's pretty easy to get most of the water/sludge out with one of those
hand oil pumps on a lot of tanks yourself. Remove the sending unit.
Then lower or raise the trailer so that the end of the tank that the
sending unit goes in is the lowest point. If you look down into the
tank with a flashlight you should be able to see the water layer on
the bottom of the tank. With a helper holding the flashlight put the
oil drain hose down into the bottom and watch as you suck up the layer
of water and sludge on the bottom with the hand pump. Stop when you
start pumping gas.
Larry
dnQmTF74wPRnVn...@comcast.com:
> By the way, I had also recently received an email notice from the BMW
> dealership stating that use of ethanol products in my M3 could
> contribute to invalidating the warranty.
>
> Stay tuned...
>
>
FANTASTIC! You need to read this FEDERAL LAW very carefully!
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.shtm
FTC booklet to business....everyone should read it.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/ch50.html
The whole law...written in plain English you can understand.
You might be interested in reading 2302 (c) on:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00002302----000-.html
which tells them they CANNOT specify brand or trade name for anything
for your M3 unless they are willing to PROVIDE IT FOR THE LIFE OF THE
PRODUCT.
That's why your car manual doesn't force you to run only genuine BMW
lube oil at $39/quart.....That's against the law.
I'd like to see their stance on fuel tested in front of an
administrative law judge. That might be fun to watch. They CAN, by the
way, apply to the FTC for a waiver, but I bet this is just trying to
weasle out of the warranty and a waiver does not exist. Call the FTC
and tell them what BMW sent you and ask them if they gave BMW a waiver
from the Magnusson Moss Warranty Protection Act 15USC50 2302(c)
provision.....
I sent back a Yamaha GP1200 defective PWC in 1997 under 2304(a)(4) when
they couldn't or wouldn't fix its many problems. Yamaha's Lorrie
Combelick, the big cheeze in warranty service, told me, "Larry, there's
no way we're EVER going to take back that boat!", the last time she
talked to me. She was wrong!....(c; I returned it to the letter of the
law after dicking around with their crooked dealer all summer, here, and
simply returned their defective product for a full refund, by refusing
to pay for it to the credit company. We tried for months to get them to
sue us or ruin my spotless credit rating. My attorney wanted a new
beach house on the Isle of Palms. I had my eye on that pretty gold
colored Mercedes C-class sedan, at the time.....nuts.
15USC50 is not just a good idea....IT'S THE LAW!....(c;
It's why WalMart cheerfully refunds your money when the new toaster
croaks. Walmart is NOT your friend. They are following the law!
At somewhere around $1000, corporations think they are immune from the
law, choosing to bullshit and fight. They're not immune....
Larry
df7196...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> If you look down into the
> tank with a flashlight you should be able to see the water layer on
> the bottom of the tank. With a helper holding the flashlight
AAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK!k!!!!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! The flashlight isn't explosion proof!!!
The empty tank is FULL OF EXPLOSIVE FUMES...GAS MIXED WITH AIR!!
HK
Righto...a flare would be mo' betta'!
DownTime
> "Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit the selling of a consumer
> product which has both full and limited warranties if such warranties
> are clearly and conspicuously differentiated. "
>
> Most warranties are going to be fairly specific about the type of fuel
> you can use. If not, there would be people wanting to sue them over
> unsuccessfully using propane (or acetylene, or hydrogen) in a boat.
>
> The law was on your side.... it probably won't be for Downtime....
>
The full email is pasted below. I am curious to know if they, or any
company can decide to change warranty terms 'on the fly'. I think I
might be missing something here, time for a call to the dealer to
clarify this.
"To All BMW of Fort Myers Customers:
We have been advised by BMWNA that with the release of E10 and E85
gasoline with ethanol, there is a need to advise customers that is very
important to put quality gasoline into their vehicles.
The sale of E10, blended ethanol fuel, is on the rise in the US as more
states are mandating its use to improve air quality. Also promoting the
growth of E10 allows the phase out of the current additive MTBE that has
been found to contaminate ground water supplies. Even so, the amount of
ethanol added to the gasoline could raise the alcohol level of the fuel
and cause your vehicle to crank, but not start; stall out; and/or run
rough. BMW has advised us that they will not warranty, or goodwill,
necessary repairs due to bad gas or high alcohol content in the fuel.
Some of the parts that could be damaged by poor fuel quality include
fuel pumps (high pressure pumps as well), fuel filter, injectors, etc.
The problems start because E10 is very effective solvent and it will
attack varnish, gum, and resins: the sludge that can build up in fuel
tanks. Once cleaned off the fuel tank walls, poor performance with
clogged filters and injectors is common. Also ethanol has a great
affinity for water, and will attract moisture from the atmosphere.
Water is heavier than gas so the water/ethanol molecule is dragged to
the bottom of the tank and separates from the more buoyant fuel
molecules. This is called phase separation. When this separation
occurs you end up with a corrosive water/ethanol layer on the bottom of
the tank, under what is now substandard fuel. Water displaces gasoline
and then pits and corrodes the metal surfaces causing premature wear on
the fuel pump. Water also reacts with various components in the fuel
and forms acids, which corrode the injector tips as well.
Water when sucked into an engine will shut it down. It must be cleaned,
and the oil changed. However, a water/ethanol mixture causes a more
serious problem, because instead of just shutting the engine down, the
mixture can be partially combusted, but not effectively, which can
damage the engine. Over a period of time this mixture will cause
excessive carbon deposits, which can wear on pistons and valves.
We recommend that only "top tier" fuels be used, and if necessary a
gasoline additive with "techron" be added, occasionally. If possible,
make sure you know your gasoline retailer and try to buy your gasoline
from the same location as often as possible. The best deal isn't always
the cheapest deal."
HK
This is absurdity on its face. Almost all gasoline is delivered to
retail stations from tank farms, where everyone's product is pretty much
exactly this same, other than additives dumped in to raise octane.
You think "Shell" gasoline comes from Shell?
How are you supposed to know if you are buying "top tier" gasoline,
since what's in the tanks of the service stations could be almost anything.
Jim
I predict a sharp decline in BMW sales in the U S of A.
HK
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:55:09 -0400, HK penned the following well
> considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
> filling the truck..... or including additives *at* the truck....
>
>> How are you supposed to know if you are buying "top tier" gasoline,
>> since what's in the tanks of the service stations could be almost anything.
>
>
And there's nothing to disqualify gas from the big unnamed tank at the
local gas tank farm.
JimH
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:55:09 -0400, HK penned the following well
> considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
>
>
>
> filling the truck..... or including additives *at* the truck....
>
> >since what's in the tanks of the service stations could be almost anything.
>
>
> --
The Somerset Refinery was included in the top tier list.
http://www.somersetoil.com/Somerset.htm
They sell to unnamed retailers.
HK
Gasoline is gasoline is gasoline. I buy from high volume, lowest-priced
stations, and pay no attention to brand names. Around here, the WaWa
chain typically has the lowest retail price. I pull Yo Ho over to WaWa
for gas, too. I have no idea whose brand of gasoline WaWa sells.
JimH
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:42:05 -0700 (PDT), JimH penned the following
> with alcohol after it hits the truck?
>
> --
> Agent 5.00 Build 1159
>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
>
> Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/
>
> Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
I don't know.
Do you?
RPS
No, at that is the point that Gene was making.
JimH
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:30:59 -0700 (PDT), JimH penned the following
>
> --
> Agent 5.00 Build 1159
>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
>
> Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/
>
> Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
I respect your opinion Gene. I am only bringing up information that
was presented.
So let me know.........how do you tell?
Eisboch
"Gene Kearns" <gene.b...@myworkshop.idleplay.net> wrote in message
news:85ba84dm1pd12656f...@4ax.com...
That BMW email recommended "techron" as a fuel additive. To the best of my
knowledge, Chevron is the only brand of gasoline that is advertised to
contain techron.
http://www.chevron.com/products/ourfuels/chevwtech/
Eisboch
HK
You can buy the stuff in bottles.
Larry
news:aPWdnUCtf7g3ehnV...@comcast.com:
> The full email is pasted below. I am curious to know if they, or any
> company can decide to change warranty terms 'on the fly'.
Nope...Read the FTC manual. That printed warranty they gave you with the
car is a binding contract between you for the duration of the warranty
period. They're stuck with it.
A good example of that is my experience with a set of Goodyear tires from
Wally World. I bought the "lifetime warranty" Wally learned his lesson and
no longer offers after having to eat so many of Goodyears crappy radials.
They get bulges in them just sitting there with 32 PSI of atmosphere
inside. I went through several sets of free tires before deciding this was
crazy as they could explode and kill me, so put Kumho radials on it from a
local large tire store and have had zero problems on Kumho tires.
One of the auto dept managers faked an attempt to change my $9.76/tire
extended lifetime-of-the-tread warranty...full replacement on failures, not
prorating nonsense. My offer of a neatly printed copy of 15USC50 2301
et.al. was refused and that ended that nonsense. I had a contract!
See ya in court!
Larry
news:aPWdnUCtf7g3ehnV...@comcast.com:
> We recommend that only "top tier" fuels be used, and if necessary a
> gasoline additive with "techron" be added, occasionally. If possible,
> make sure you know your gasoline retailer and try to buy your gasoline
> from the same location as often as possible. The best deal isn't always
> the cheapest deal."
>
>
PRECISELY why my new Smart car MUST be a DIESEL.....
Looks like I'll have to go to Canada to get one....damn.
While we're talking about cars, this official document....not your dealer's
bullshit....is a list of the cars YOU are allowed to IMPORT from anyplace
that are "non-conforming" vehicles. Notice how all the Smart cars back to
2004 are listed....MUCH to my Smart dealer's dismay after telling me I
won't be able to import a Smart diesel into the USA from Canada...pure
bullshit.
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-IMPACT/2007/September/Day-27/i19118.htm
a most interesting document if you are interested in importing something to
bypass dealer profit margins.
Larry
> http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html
WOW! Turkey Hill Minit Markets made the list but HESS OIL didn't!
I wonder how much Turkey Hill Minit Markets had to pay to get on this list?
Where is Turkey Hill Minit Markets' main refinery, anyways??
Ah, I see it! It's right next to the AMSOIL REFINERY!!!!
Larry
@mid.individual.net:
> Gasoline is gasoline is gasoline. I buy from high volume, lowest-priced
> stations, and pay no attention to brand names. Around here, the WaWa
> chain typically has the lowest retail price. I pull Yo Ho over to WaWa
> for gas, too. I have no idea whose brand of gasoline WaWa sells.
>
>
You boys stop by Charleston. I know someone down at the Hess Oil Terminal
that can get us on the tanker when it comes in so we can peer down into the
tank the gas everyone puts in their BMW M3 comes from....gas floating on a
thick film of SEAWATER BALLAST from the last load....(c;
What nonsense....you're right. GAS IS GAS.
Larry
> Here's the rub..... do those unnamed retailers cut the gasoline 50/50
> with alcohol after it hits the truck?
>
>
Nope...sometimes if they run out of "high test" the truck driver will drop
a couple of dye tablets into the truck at the terminal so it'll convert
white regular gas into colored "high test" before it gets to the station.
Gas truck drivers pull up to the Hess dump...fill the truck and head out to
refill the stations as quickly as possible, including the overpriced
marinas! There's no "additives" in behind the seat to treat 70,000 gallons
of regular! They'd have to tow two trailers, one with additives. You
can't drop a pill into 70,000 gallons to change anything. What a hoot!
The "Texaco" at Ashley Marina comes in on a tank truck from a truck company
in N Charleston....not TEXACO. The driver just wants to get it over with
so he can go home to see his kids and drink beer....like everybody else.
DK
I have two and didn't receive any email. Did you get one?
Eisboch
"DK" <intrc...@ggggmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope. But, we don't have any BMW's anymore.
Eisboch
Richard Casady
<gene.b...@myworkshop.idleplay.net> wrote:
>If not, there would be people wanting to sue them over
>unsuccessfully using propane (or acetylene, or hydrogen) in a boat.
Propane mixes perfectly with air, with great ease, and has an octane
rating of 100. Other than that. If there is an ideal fuel, propane is
it.
Casady
HK
The only problem I see with LPG as a fuel for boat engines is that it is
heavier than air and settles. If there is a leak in the tank or hoses,
and the tank is below deck, the bilges are going to fill up with a
pretty explosive gas. This is less of a problem on land vehicles,
because there are more ways for "escaping" LPG to vent to the open air.
Also, wouldn't the boat engine LPG fuel tank have to be a pressurized
vessel? Yet another system on a boat that would have to be watched
carefully.
We have a 500-gallon LPG tank buried in our backyard. Its presence used
to make me a bit nervous.
James...@gmail.com
Propane turns to a liquid at a reasonable pressure and typically vapor
supply pressures are not high at all. Gasoline is also heavier than
air in both liquid and vapor states so boats have the same problem
with either. Main issue is that there is not a robust supply system
in place to provide propane as a vehicle fuel. And a gallon of
propane only has 75% of the energy that a gallon of gas has so it
would need to be a lot cheaper per gallon.
HK
Thanks. My only real experience with LPG is household, and in observing
the LPG-powered towmotors I see from time to time at warehouses.
Richard Casady
wrote:
I have owned two BMW's. One cost three hundred, the other seven
hundred.
Casady
Richard Casady
<whi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>"DownTime" <DownT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:__WdnQTRAJ5m0B7V...@comcast.com...
>> After a recent adventure to change the fuel sender, I had the misfortune
>> to have one of the 'sex-bolt'-like nuts on the inside of the tank break
>> off and fall into the tank. The only access is via the small opening when
>> the sender goes in. Unable to retrieve the broken nut, I called around and
>> heard from three hopefully reliable sources that there is a strainer at
>> the fuel line to prevent things such as this from entering the fuel line.
>>
>> During the second trip out since the new sender was installed, we were
>> just about to the causeway bridge when the engine was acting as if it was
>> not getting enough fuel. Watching the fuel management gauge, I noticed it
>> going from its normal 11 gal at that speed, and slowly and consistently
>> drop to just under 6 gal and then started to buck and hesitate as if not
>> enough fuel. I was able to throttle down to idle and after a minute or so,
>> throttle up again. This was a consistent behavior during the entire
>> outing. Eventually idled home last last nite. On the positive side, it was
>> a clear nite, almost full moon and relatively no boat traffic.
>>
>> All symptoms to me indicate the nut may be blocking the fuel line leading
>> from the tank. The main access hatch where the feel sender is installed is
>> NOT at the stern end of the fuel tank. It would be very difficult to gain
>> access to the tank.
>>
>> The boat is just 4.5 years old. It looking at the other components, I also
>> noticed this is the original fuel bulb as when it was new. It did not feel
>> 'hard' as it had been, and almost had a feel of simply being old rubber.
>> This is a saltwater environment and one thought is maybe an air leak or
>> some other scenario besides the extra nut in the tank. I plan to today
>> replace the bulb and any lines I can access which may appear dried,
>> cracked, old, or simply a possible candidate to the problem.
>>
>> Any suggestions on maybe how to retrieve the nut from within the tank via
>> the maybe 2 1/2 inch opening into an 80-gallon fuel tank? Any other ideas
>> besides the nut which might help me resolve this issue?
>>
>> Thanx in advance!!!
>
>Wonder what metal that nut is made of??
>If it's something magnetic, you should be able to find a long flexible wand
>with a powerful magnet on the end for 'fishing'....
They also make wands with a cable operated claw. Heard them called
'bolt retrievers' You buy them where you get the magnetic ones, that
is, any decent auto parts house.
Casady
DK
In monthly repair bills? Seriously, I have been leasing for years now
so I can avoid those problems and if something does need repair, it's
covered and I have a free loaner while it's in the shop.
Richard Casady
wrote:
The sixty-six only cost 2500 new.
Casady
HK
I bought a 2002ti for under $2400 new, back when it was new. It's about
what it was worth, then...and now. All the high-end German family cars I
have looked at in recent years seem grossly overpriced and overly
complicated. You have to work pretty hard to find a mid-range vehicle
that offers more than the Japanese offer these days. Of course, if you
have a really short dick and are in desperate need of making sure people
"notice* you when you pull into the supermarket parking lot, a nice "7"
series BMW will do, for the two people in the parking lot who give a
crap anymore about that sort of stuff.
No offense to any current, past or future "overdone" BMW owners, of
course. :>)
Eisboch
"HK" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
news:6f1ma8F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
> I bought a 2002ti for under $2400 new, back when it was new. It's about
> what it was worth, then...and now. All the high-end German family cars I
> have looked at in recent years seem grossly overpriced and overly
> complicated. You have to work pretty hard to find a mid-range vehicle that
> offers more than the Japanese offer these days. Of course, if you have a
> really short dick and are in desperate need of making sure people "notice*
> you when you pull into the supermarket parking lot, a nice "7" series BMW
> will do, for the two people in the parking lot who give a crap anymore
> about that sort of stuff.
>
> No offense to any current, past or future "overdone" BMW owners, of
> course. :>)
I briefly owned an '01 BMW 750iL. Black on black, no chrome, thick,
bullet resistant, dark tinted glass, 12 cylinder. The car was absolutely a
dream to drive anywhere long distance, like to Florida and back, but
otherwise I rarely drove it.
I can honestly say I didn't buy it to be "noticed". I bought it because I
liked it. So, no offense taken.
Mrs.E. also briefly owned an '06 version of the 750iL. Not anywhere as
nice as the '01. It also had the infamous BMW "I-Drive" system that drove
both of us nuts. What were they thinking?
I've pretty much gone full circle with automobiles. Other than the Porsche,
which still does not cease to amaze me, there really isn't any car out
there, new or old, that captures my interest. My little Ranger truck does
the job fine.
Even losing interest in the GTO and the old Ford convertible Galaxie.
Eisboch
JimH
> "HK" <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
You learned well Grasshopper. Material things are ofter easy to
buy............they do not however often bring happiness to ones
life. ;-)
DK
66? The E66 is a 7-series from early 2000. What are you talking about?
Eisboch
"JimH" <osu...@oh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:8d730fb8-cf6c-4198...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
You learned well Grasshopper. Material things are ofter easy to
buy............they do not however often bring happiness to ones
life. ;-)
---------------------
Wrong, Pilgrim.
I didn't "learn" anything. The material things I own or have owned were
purchased because they interested me and I enjoyed them. Some still
interest me. Some have served their time.
I like trying different things. Keeps life interesting.
Eisboch
JimH
One day you may learn, although I think you already have but will not
admit.
Carry on Grasshopper.
Eisboch
Carry on Grasshopper.
----------------
Let's not go down that path again. It really doesn't become you.
You take care of you. I'll take care of me.
Eisboch
JimH
> "JimH" <osu...@oh.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 26, 9:20 pm, "Eisboch" <noth...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
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> > "JimH" <osu...@oh.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > You learned well Grasshopper. Material things are ofter easy to
> > buy............they do not however often bring happiness to ones
> > life. ;-)
>
> > ---------------------
>
> > Wrong, Pilgrim.
>
> > I didn't "learn" anything. The material things I own or have owned were
> > purchased because they interested me and I enjoyed them. Some still
> > interest me. Some have served their time.
>
> > I like trying different things. Keeps life interesting.
>
> > Eisboch
>
> One day you may learn, although I think you already have but will not
> admit.
>
> Carry on Grasshopper.
>
> ----------------
>
> Let's not go down that path again. It really doesn't become you.
> You take care of you. I'll take care of me.
>
> Eisboch
Fair enough.. I agree it is hard to disagree with the points I
brought up.
Have a good evening.
Richard Casady
Reginald Smithers III
Why do I always sense of feeling of jealousy you have concerning
Eisboch's and Wayne's financial success? You love to talk about your
"heritage knives" and John Deere lawn mower, but resent it when someone
else is more successful.
Grasshopper, I think you have a lot to learn. To start with read the
bible, they say something about coveting your neighbors goods.
Jim
Have a good evening.
MORON!
Jim
"Reginald Smithers III" <rsmi...@here.com> wrote in message
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I hope he doesn't have a mental meltdown like he did a couple of years ago.
That was pathetic to watch.
Have I been missing something?
What are heritage knives?
What can you say about a JD lawn tractor other than it cuts grass?
John H.
Heritage knives are the kitchen knives JimH uses. They are fine knives on
which he would never use a good electric sharpener because he wants to pass
them on to his kids. When JimH dies, his kids still won't have a set of
good knives in their kitchens.
Jim
"John H." <salmo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks John. I found heritage knives on the web. Looks like they can cut
through almost anything. http://www.heritageknifeco.com
John H.
I hadn't thought about passing down my old tin-foil boxes.
Reginald Smithers III
saying they were so good, they he would pass them onto his kids when he
dies. I am sure they will fight over who get's the knives.
Jim
I wish I had a set of Heritage knives, then I might not have to run my old
kitchen knives over the bench grinder to put an edge on them. My wife likes
to try to cut granite countertops with them.
JimH
I am not coveting anything , do not resent anyone and am not jealous
of anyone's success. What I stated is the truth. Sorry you see it
differently.
BTW: The knives are JA Henckels and my John Deere tractor is running
just fine.
HK
It's just Smithers, trying as usual to stir up a little schitt.
He's back in my resurrected bozo bin, along with the rest of the dwarfs.
I just started it up again, and it's already caught and flushed the crap
from Mike, Herring, Reggie, and Florida Jim, and it is set to flush the
others. It's amazing how little traffic there is here when you don't see
or smell those turd droppers. :>)
Jim
Wo gets the knives when you finally take the dirt nap?
Jim
Keep us posted on how your bozo bin is doing. When your membership gets to
20 we'll give you a gold star and a tickertape parade down loser street.
"HK" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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Don White
Turd droppers??
Is more like they're running around with a full blown case of diarrhea
without their Pampers.
What a stinky messy bunch.
HK
Hey! I was *trying* to be polite. Well, not really. :>) I can hardly
wait for the Daily Double Bakers' Dozen from Diarrhea Dan (DK) to be
caught and flushed, though the effluent probably will clog the filter
for a moment or two.
Plenty of smaller boats out yesterday on Chesapeake Bay, again more than
I have seen in a while. When I got back to the ramp, we were all treated
to the sounds of a double engined, mufferless "penis boat" being started
and warmed up for some 50-gallon an hour "excitement." This is mostly a
fisherman's marina I use these days, and just about everybody goes out
of their way to be friendly, helpful, and non-intrusive, even, god help
me, the PWC'ers. So the dweeb with the "penis boat" got a few Bronx
cheers as he chugged out of the little harbor. Oh...he had the
obligatory heavy gold chain necklace and the babe with him had the
obligatory artificial tits. Well, at least she wouldn't need a life
jacket, no matter what happened.
Don White
We've run into a bad stretch of damp, humid weather.
Today is supposed to be nice and then we return to the usual for the next
four days.
Winds are light so I may take the Yukon down to Mahone Bay to hobnob with
the yachtie crowd.
I hope the weather improves for this event:
http://www.mahonebayclassicboatfestival.org/
and..
http://chesterraceweek.com/
Mahone Bay is a beautiful place to boat and a local committee has been very
successful saving a number of beautiful unspoiled islands from greedy
developers and
carperbaggers. http://www.mahoneislands.ns.ca/events/aad_2007.shtml
Jim
gold or a Babe. You and Jim H are certainly letting your jealous streaks
show lately. What's up?
hk
My wife has me out in the yard, shoveling mulch. It's 87F and rising and
the humidity is about the same, so I duck inside after shoveling,
wheelbarrowing, and dumping each three wheelbarrows full. It makes me so
happy my wife found a supplier of cypress mulch by the truckload instead
of by the bagful. :>)
slam...@hotmail.com
> DownTime wrote:
> > Gene Kearns wrote:
> >> "Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit the selling of a consumer
> >> product which has both full and limited warranties if such warranties
> >> are clearly and conspicuously differentiated. "
>
> >> Most warranties are going to be fairly specific about the type of fuel
> >> you can use. If not, there would be people wanting to sue them over
> >> unsuccessfully using propane (or acetylene, or hydrogen) in a boat.
>
> >> The law was on your side.... it probably won't be for Downtime....
>
> > The full email is pasted below. I am curious to know if they, or any
> > company can decide to change warranty terms 'on the fly'. I think I
> > might be missing something here, time for a call to the dealer to
> > clarify this.
>
> > "To All BMW of Fort Myers Customers:
>
> > We have been advised by BMWNA that with the release of E10 and E85
> > gasoline with ethanol, there is a need to advise customers that is very
> > important to put quality gasoline into their vehicles.
>
> > The sale of E10, blended ethanol fuel, is on the rise in the US as more
> > states are mandating its use to improve air quality. Also promoting the
> > growth of E10 allows the phase out of the current additive MTBE that has
> > been found to contaminate ground water supplies. Even so, the amount of
> > ethanol added to the gasoline could raise the alcohol level of the fuel
> > and cause your vehicle to crank, but not start; stall out; and/or run
> > rough. BMW has advised us that they will not warranty, or goodwill,
> > necessary repairs due to bad gas or high alcohol content in the fuel.
>
> > Some of the parts that could be damaged by poor fuel quality include
> > fuel pumps (high pressure pumps as well), fuel filter, injectors, etc.
> > The problems start because E10 is very effective solvent and it will
> > attack varnish, gum, and resins: the sludge that can build up in fuel
> > tanks. Once cleaned off the fuel tank walls, poor performance with
> > clogged filters and injectors is common. Also ethanol has a great
> > affinity for water, and will attract moisture from the atmosphere. Water
> > is heavier than gas so the water/ethanol molecule is dragged to the
> > bottom of the tank and separates from the more buoyant fuel molecules.
> > This is called phase separation. When this separation occurs you end up
> > with a corrosive water/ethanol layer on the bottom of the tank, under
> > what is now substandard fuel. Water displaces gasoline and then pits
> > and corrodes the metal surfaces causing premature wear on the fuel
> > pump. Water also reacts with various components in the fuel and forms
> > acids, which corrode the injector tips as well.
>
> > Water when sucked into an engine will shut it down. It must be cleaned,
> > and the oil changed. However, a water/ethanol mixture causes a more
> > serious problem, because instead of just shutting the engine down, the
> > mixture can be partially combusted, but not effectively, which can
> > damage the engine. Over a period of time this mixture will cause
> > excessive carbon deposits, which can wear on pistons and valves.
>
> > We recommend that only "top tier" fuels be used, and if necessary a
> > gasoline additive with "techron" be added, occasionally. If possible,
> > make sure you know your gasoline retailer and try to buy your gasoline
> > from the same location as often as possible. The best deal isn't always
> > the cheapest deal."
>
> This is absurdity on its face. Almost all gasoline is delivered to
> retail stations from tank farms, where everyone's product is pretty much
> exactly this same, other than additives dumped in to raise octane.
>
> You think "Shell" gasoline comes from Shell?
>
> How are you supposed to know if you are buying "top tier" gasoline,
> since what's in the tanks of the service stations could be almost anything.- Hide quoted text -
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<<Almost all gasoline is delivered to
retail stations from tank farms, where everyone's product is pretty
much exactly this same, >>
Up here, it IS all the same.I know this for fact due to a close friend
who trucks gas.
I can see the flames coming now from the Dwarfs, doubting my validity
again, after the " Tall Ships " thread.
Jim
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Your validity is always under suspicion, WAFA, but in this case you are
probably right.
Larry
@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> <<Almost all gasoline is delivered to
> retail stations from tank farms, where everyone's product is pretty
> much exactly this same, >>
>
> Up here, it IS all the same.I know this for fact due to a close friend
> who trucks gas.
> I can see the flames coming now from the Dwarfs, doubting my validity
> again, after the " Tall Ships " thread.
>
>
If you wanna see the fanbois explode, start a thread asking them where the
Amsoil refinery is located....(c;
There isn't one. It comes from the same tankfarm Quaker State does....and
everyone else.
Eisboch
"Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote in message
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As for gasoline .... according to this chemist, it's all in the additives.
Furthermore, he points out that crude from which gasoline is refined varies,
even within a specific brand.
He has an interesting recommendation; change brands every 5000 miles or so
on a rotating basis to get the benefits of the different brand additives.
http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html
Eisboch
Larry
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> As for gasoline .... according to this chemist, it's all in the
> additives. Furthermore, he points out that crude from which gasoline
> is refined varies, even within a specific brand.
>
What "additives"? Who adds it after the trucker, who doesn't have any way
to add anything and doesn't carry anything to add it with, picks it up?
The marina doesn't add anything. I've watched 'em. They did add a stick
to see how deep it was in the tank. There wasn't anything on the stick
except some water detector paste on the bottom that turns color if there's
water in the tank.
The trucks that carry gas from the dump here to the stations varies. There
are a few trucks that LOOK like Exxon or Texaco with large signage on them
to that effect. There are hundreds of trucks that have no markings at all
because they belong to a couple of tankage companies who haul lots more
than gas, one about a mile from my home....
So, where is all this wonderful "additives", which must be a thousand
gallons in a 50,000 gallon underground tank, not some drop-in tablet that
would dilute the gas a billion to one, now?
Nonsense. Gas is gas and just like any other common commodity comes from
the LOWEST BIDDER, whoever has gas the cheapest, today, on the commodity
market. Notice what the brokers are selling! They sell GAS and DIESEL and
BUNKER C and LUBE OIL. There is no commodity named SUNOCO SUPER BLEND on
the commodity exchanges. It only exists in the consumer's mind......
..............just like AMSOIL!
Richard Casady
>You
>can't drop a pill into 70,000 gallons to change anything. What a hoot!
You wouldn't get far with a 420 000 pound trailer. The don't make 3
000 HP tractors, for openers. I seem to recall that 7 000 gallons is
the usual size for a fuel trailer.
Casady
Larry
news:48934067....@news.east.earthlink.net:
We don't get fuel from tankers. We get it from underground tankage, bigger
than tankers.
All that nonsense aside, my point is the TRUCK DRIVER doesn't have 400
gallons of "additives" to put in the 7000 gallon truck, either.
That's all just bullshit.
Eisboch
> "Eisboch" <r...@nowhere.com> wrote in
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>
>> As for gasoline .... according to this chemist, it's all in the
>> additives. Furthermore, he points out that crude from which gasoline
>> is refined varies, even within a specific brand.
>>
>
> What "additives"? Who adds it after the trucker, who doesn't have any way
> to add anything and doesn't carry anything to add it with, picks it up?
> The marina doesn't add anything. I've watched 'em. They did add a stick
> to see how deep it was in the tank. There wasn't anything on the stick
> except some water detector paste on the bottom that turns color if there's
> water in the tank.
>
FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on their
gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil company have a
PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?
If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he says
gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude, even
within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas ... Shell, or
Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron .... is the type of
octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by the various
companies.
Eisboch
Eisboch
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.
What we see differently is, that I have no need to try to enforce a list
of acceptable material possessions onto someone else. You seem to
believe your materials goods are so valuable that a set of knives become
"heritage knives' that you include in your will, yet Eisboch's purchases
are a waste of money and time. There are many people who would tell you
that your boat, car and home are useless material possessions that will
not bring you any happiness, and you should sell them all and move into
a cave to spend all of your time praying for peace and serenity. After
all grasshopper, material positions are easy to buy, but they will not
bring you happiness. You might be the only person I know who I would
make this recommendation. If anyone needs "Serenity Now" it is you.
You are sounding more like Harry every day. "If the boat is bigger than
mine, no one needs it, and it should be taxed out of existence". EH?
Loogy...@gmail.com
> "HK" <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > I bought a 2002ti for under $2400 new, back when it was new. It's about
> > what it was worth, then...and now. All the high-end German family cars I
> > have looked at in recent years seem grossly overpriced and overly
> > complicated. You have to work pretty hard to find a mid-range vehicle that
> > offers more than the Japanese offer these days. Of course, if you have a
> > really short dick and are in desperate need of making sure people "notice*
> > you when you pull into the supermarket parking lot, a nice "7" series BMW
> > will do, for the two people in the parking lot who give a crap anymore
> > about that sort of stuff.
>
> > No offense to any current, past or future "overdone" BMW owners, of
> > course. :>)
>
> I briefly owned an '01 BMW 750iL. Black on black, no chrome, thick,
> bullet resistant, dark tinted glass, 12 cylinder. The car was absolutely a
> dream to drive anywhere long distance, like to Florida and back, but
> otherwise I rarely drove it.
>
> I can honestly say I didn't buy it to be "noticed". I bought it because I
> liked it. So, no offense taken.
>
> Mrs.E. also briefly owned an '06 version of the 750iL. Not anywhere as
> nice as the '01. It also had the infamous BMW "I-Drive" system that drove
> both of us nuts. What were they thinking?
>
> I've pretty much gone full circle with automobiles. Other than the Porsche,
> which still does not cease to amaze me, there really isn't any car out
> there, new or old, that captures my interest. My little Ranger truck does
> the job fine.
>
> Even losing interest in the GTO and the old Ford convertible Galaxie.
>
> Eisboch
NO!!!! NOT the goat or the galaxy!!!
hk
> "HK" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
One of my near neighbors bought a 760 something or other recently, and
he let me drive it. Well, it's a very nice car, to be sure, and very
fast, but you get into a schittload of trouble down here in Southern
Maryland if you exceed 150 mph on the highways! :>) I think he paid in
the low six figures for the car. For that, he could have bought my old
Jag, which is still sitting in a "hermetically sealed warehouse," and
had a *real* sport car.
Seriously, I just can't see spending a ton of money on a new car. Most
cars today are pretty competent, and I suppose you buy whichever one you
like and can afford.
My wife is shopping for a new car. So far, she's got it narrowed down to
either a VW bug convertible *or* a Toyota FJ. The cars are so similar, I
can understand her liking both. :>)
I like the Beetle, too, but I am subtly trying to convince her to buy
Japanese so I don't have to deal with German overengineering. Again.
Larry
news:Pf6dnRawXI9t9RDV...@giganews.com:
> FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
> employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on
> their gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil
> company have a PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?
>
> If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he
> says gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude,
> even within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas
> ... Shell, or Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron ....
> is the type of octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by
> the various companies.
>
> Eisboch
>
> Eisboch
>
>
I didn't say additives don't exist. They ARE put in at the refinery....all
refineries that adhere to the oil industry's standards, the ones that tell
you it's SJ or CH-4 standard lube oil. All the companies that produce gas
make it so they can all share the commodity as a cartel....oh, oh, can I
say that word?
The advertising is bullshit for the consumers, those idiots who just HAVE
to buy oil with the checkered flag on the can or it's junk.
.....and I'm sure there's plenty of non-standardized commodity floating in
greasy tankers trekking across the oceans as we type.....
....some of those are heading for the Amsoil bottling plant...(c;
Eisboch
I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring to
motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially refined
from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the type and amount
of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the amount required by
EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or whatever. Shell uses
their proprietary "V Power" in the high test. Each of these additives are
required to minimize deposits, but each is a different formulation or
amount.
So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than the gas
you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I found it
interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k miles to get the
full benefit of each of these different additives.
Eisboch
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
>
> One of my near neighbors bought a 760 something or other recently, and
> he let me drive it.
LOL.. Bullshit!
>Well, it's a very nice car, to be sure, and very
> fast, but you get into a schittload of trouble down here in Southern
> Maryland if you exceed 150 mph on the highways! :>) I think he paid in
> the low six figures for the car. For that, he could have bought my old
> Jag, which is still sitting in a "hermetically sealed warehouse,"
Bullshit!
>and
> had a *real* sport car.
Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit..
thu...@takeoutgti.net
> So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than the
> gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I found
> it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k miles to
> get the full benefit of each of these different additives.
>
> Eisboch
Was it this guy? He seems to be recommending the same.
http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html
He makes sense, but for me, when I need gas, I'll continue to pull into
the most convenient gas station. ;-)
Loogy...@gmail.com
Have you noticed that ANYTHING that is mentioned, Harry has it, does
it, much better and bigger than anybody else? I'd love to see a
picture that would prove the existence of that Jag in a "hermetically
sealed warehouse" along with his lobster boat, and some evidence of
his father's infamous trip across the Atlantic and back in a runabout
leading to a fireboat welcome in NYC!!!!
On another note, remember the before pics of the problem I had? I'll
be sending some updates soon.
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
Cool, glad to hear things are coming back to normal... I will be
awaiting the pics. Hope CoolBreeze is doing better too. Is that clutch
hand out of the cast yet? If not, I have a bike that's one speed..
fun...;)
Loogy...@gmail.com
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Yep, she hasn't put the velcro cast for the clutch hand on in awhile,
it's still a little stiff. The throttle hand is coming along, she'll
need physical therapy on that, but it's a velcro cast now too. She got
in the pool yesterday evening, was good to see!
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
>
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That's awesome man.. Now we just need to find someone about half way
between our houses with some property.. Looks like Roanoak is about 8
hours for each of us;) Any of you wrecked boaters live in VA? Wanna'
have a wrecked boats block party;) ??
Don White
<justwaitaf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Somebody better alert the neighbours first.
They might have something to say about a motley, nasty crew of dwarfs
infesting the neighbourhood.
Loogy...@gmail.com
> <justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You're getting so much like Harry it's strange. You know nothing about
me, yet you try to act like you do. You used to be the decent one of
the three idiots, but now you've stooped to their low level with name
calling, insults, deceit, and lies.
hk
> Somebody better alert the neighbours first.
> They might have something to say about a motley, nasty crew of dwarfs
> infesting the neighbourhood.
Hmmmm. The Justwait and Loogy families getting together to socialize,
and maybe even...breed. Imagine the results of *that* sort of
cross-pollinization...an entirely new breed of semi-human that spends
its days walking repeatedly into brick walls.
Herring lives in Virginia...I'm sure he'd welcome a few more trailers on
his front lawn for the "visit."
Eisboch
<justwaitaf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That's awesome man.. Now we just need to find someone about half way
between our houses with some property.. Looks like Roanoak is about 8
hours for each of us;) Any of you wrecked boaters live in VA? Wanna'
have a wrecked boats block party;) ??
--------------------------
Hmmmm .....
I am about due for a little trip in the Sprinter.
Eisboch
Loogy...@gmail.com
> <justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Maybe we could go east a little and see if we could find that elusive
36' Zimmerman like lobster boat that Harry pretends he owns!
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
Cool.. What's a sprinter? ;) Will it tow this down?
http://www.yaimkool.com
I'll bring three little mudwhumpers (motorbikes) and a bottle of
Beam.... black of course.
Don White
"hk" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hmmmm. The Justwait and Loogy families getting together to socialize, and
> maybe even...breed. Imagine the results of *that* sort of
> cross-pollinization...an entirely new breed of semi-human that spends its
> days walking repeatedly into brick walls.
>
> Herring lives in Virginia...I'm sure he'd welcome a few more trailers on
> his front lawn for the "visit."
It's the least he could do for the enlisted men
John H.
wrote:
There used to be a big area just south of where I live that was full of
dirt bikers every weekend. Now it's called 'Kingstown'. Needless to say,
there's no room for the dirt bikers any more. I don't know where they ride
now. Hell, maybe they go to West Virginia someplace.
Eisboch
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I'd show you, but JimH might pull a nutty.
Yes, it will tow that ....whatever it is .....
Eisboch
Floyd...@gmail.com
> <justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> On Jul 28, 1:38 pm, "Eisboch" <noth...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hmmmm .....
>
> > I am about due for a little trip in the Sprinter.
>
> > Eisboch
>
> I'll bring three little mudwhumpers (motorbikes) and a bottle of
> Beam.... black of course.
>
> I'd show you, but JimH might pull a nutty.
So'k I did a google..;)
>
> Yes, it will tow that ....whatever it is .....
it's my boat.. sniff...
>
> Eisboch
John H.
I don't give a rat's ass what JimH throws.
Scotty, he's talking about his version of this:
http://www.pleasureway.com/jpegs/08vans/bigvans/08ascent.jpg
I thank God he and his wife decided to keep their's. That decision probably
saved me some bucks!
Eisboch
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>
> Eisboch
I know. Just kidding.
Eisboch
Larry
news:M5SdnUSBJsNIUxDV...@giganews.com:
> I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring
> to motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
> The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially
> refined from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the
> type and amount of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the
> amount required by EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or
> whatever. Shell uses their proprietary "V Power" in the high test.
> Each of these additives are required to minimize deposits, but each is
> a different formulation or amount.
>
> So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than
> the gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I
> found it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k
> miles to get the full benefit of each of these different additives.
>
> Eisboch
>
>
Ok, so where do they take the Hess Gas the trucking contractor filled up
with at 6AM this morning on hsi way to the Shell stations to blend in
this amazing array of chemical magic? There is no Shell refinery within
a thousand miles of Charleston, so it didn't go there. I can tell
because it came from Hess, where everybody fills up their trucks, right
under the Mark Clark Expressway bridge at the Hess tank farm which comes
from the tankers on the dock. All the gas leaving the Hess dump is
exactly the same....and there's NO PLACE for each company to fill up on
additives in between the Hess dump and the local station!
So, knowing this, the gas at Mobil ISN'T any different than the gas at
Raceway because they came to town in the same nasty tanker floating on
top of a film of seawater ballast left over from the last trip.
Drop by, I'll get you aboard to peer into that tanker's tank. It's
nasty!
GAS is a commodity traded on the open market many times before it ends
up in your tank....from the lowest bidder through the jobber network.
It's not CHEVRON TECHRON. They don't sell that at the commodity
exchange. They sell GAS. I'm not even sure they sell different grades
any more! I don't see high test listed differently from GASoline.