This clown is ready to be President?
Artie Choke
at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed
out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a
bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the
pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."
Senator B. Obama
Only one problem - he ain't on the committee.
John H.
He passed the law which will keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of
terrorists. He can do anything.
HK
You dummies prefer the guy who thinks Iraq and Afghanistan share a
border, hey?
Eisboch
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He's getting scary and thin. I had higher hopes a few months ago.
Eisboch
Eisboch
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Compared to a young guy who can't remember where he works?
Lemmie think about it for a while.
Eisboch
Artie Choke
wrote:
Well, he'll have to carry 57 states to do it.
Tim
>
>
> Well, he'll have to carry 57 states to do it.
well,with all the cemeteries in Cook County (Chicago) the new voting
population is unlimited!
thu...@takeoutgti.net
Being a little harsh, aren't we? These two guys have been out
campaigning very hard, under very close scrutiny, for a very long time.
For every gaff Obama makes, I can give you one that McCain makes. Get
over it, one of these men will be the next POTUS. Obama may not be on
the Senate Banking Committee, but he was a sponsor of the Iran Sanctions
Enabling Act of 2007. In it, were provisions that were just passed by the
Banking Committee.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?
title=Iran_Sanctions_Enabling_Act_of_2007
Eisboch
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For some reason being "forgetful" about middle east geography and forgetting
what Senate Committee(s) you currently serve on are different to me.
Eisboch
HK
McCain is qualified: he was a P.O.W. Because of that, he knows that Iraq
and Afghanistan share a border.
thu...@takeoutgti.net
> For some reason being "forgetful" about middle east geography and
> forgetting what Senate Committee(s) you currently serve on are different
> to me.
>
>
> Eisboch
Come on, do you really think Obama doesn't know what committees he is
on? These guys are giving hundreds a speeches a week. He misspoke. So
what?
HK
The righties are desperate for something - anything - on which to make
an issue. Their boy McCain is going down big time, and so are a lot of
GOP Senate and House members. It's going to get really really ugly on
the right as the election gets closer.
BAR
How much mis-speaking is allowed?
RPS
While I would prefer McCain to be our next president. Since the odds
are Obama will win in November. I certainly hope you are correct. The
last thing we need is another brain dead president.
thu...@takeoutgti.net
> While I would prefer McCain to be our next president. Since the odds
> are Obama will win in November. I certainly hope you are correct. The
> last thing we need is another brain dead president.
Interesting you should say this. While I'm tending towards Obama, my
decision hasn't been made. One of my concerns is McCain's brain power.
I've noticed on several occasions, his aides feeding him lines. So far,
it could just be campaign fatigue, but it is something to keep an eye on.
HK
I sort of like McCain personally, but I think he is over the hill, and
is suffering from lapses that would be dangerous for this country in
these times. McCain would have been a great president had he been
elected in 2000, but not now.
We need to get the hell out of Iraq, as quickly as possible. That is not
going to happen with McCain in the White House. Also, McCain hasn't a
clue about the issues that impact most Americans, and if he picks
someone like Romney as a veep, it'll be more of the same: screwing what
remains of the middle class to further enrich the rich.
Mrs. Clinton was my first choice, but I have no problems with Barack
Obama as president. He's smart, ballsy, and I really think he cares
about ordinary people. The bonus is that he won't nominate any
right-wing screwballs to the Supreme Court, and he won't initiate
actions that curtail civil liberties.
RPS
I really don't know many people who could put up with the rigors of the
presidential campaign.
thu...@takeoutgti.net
> I really don't know many people who could put up with the rigors of the
> presidential campaign.
Agreed, and with all the abuse, the scrutinizing, you wonder why they
would want to, but they did make the choice.
Eisboch
I acknowledged a while ago that I was impressed with Obama. However, as
time as passed and I listen more closely, I become less so. He's a nice,
neat package, but there's something missing.
Eisboch
Eisboch
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I am a believer that, just like a company, the president need not be an
Einstein. He/she simply has has to *know* that they aren't an Einstein and
surround themselves with a good, talented and smart staff that believe in
the overall principles/ideals that the he/she (the President) subscribes to.
Harry .... read carefully what I wrote before you jump the gun.
Eisboch
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> "HK" <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
I said that months ago but then I saw a couple of real sit down
interviews and realized he is an empty suit. He has no idea where he
wants to take the country, and how to get there. The questions were
good (Chris Matthews) but the followups were blown off with more
elegant verse. He has no handle on the middle east, is blinded by
ideology on energy and the connection to security, and he has no place
as commander and chief of anything. Nice guy, make a great first
selectman....
thu...@takeoutgti.net
> I am a believer that, just like a company, the president need not be an
> Einstein. He/she simply has has to *know* that they aren't an Einstein
> and surround themselves with a good, talented and smart staff that
> believe in the overall principles/ideals that the he/she (the President)
> subscribes to.
I wouldn't disagree with that to a point. They don't have to be close to
an Einstein, but a basic competency would go a long, long, way. Arrogant
and stupid is not the right package, as the past 8 years has shown. I'm
not saying McCain is either, but I am suspicious, just suspicious, that
his best years are behind him.
HK
He sure as hell looked and sounded like a President during the speech he
just gave in Berlin, even when he said, "My father grew up herding goats
in Kenya."
Obama is no Einstein, and I agree that level of IQ is not necessary, but
you don't want a blooming idiot whose mind shows the impact of booze
and drugs in the White House, and that's what we have now.
Obama is presidential. John McCain is a Bush retread.
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
> Eisboch wrote:
> > <thun...@TAKEOUTgti.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Obama is a publicity stunt gone bad....
hk
This opinion is based upon what, your interactions with other neglectful
parents at the Kiddie Abuse Motorcycle Racing Track?
Eisboch
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> Obama is a publicity stunt gone bad....
Call it instinct, call it whatever .... but ...
What is starting to bother me about Obama when I listen to him respond to
some tough, "touchy" questions, is how he hems and haws a bit ... gets a
little tongue-tied .... while searching his mind for the politically correct
response.
Seems to me, ideals, values, plans, beliefs, etc. should be second nature
and on the tip of your tongue. He thinks too much and I am not sure it's
for the right reasons.
Eisboch
HK
As opposed to the president we have now, who apparently doesn't think at
all? Fast Draw McBush?
Artie Choke
wrote:
The more you see of him, the more empty the suit.
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Want to hear something really weird?
I don't think he's going to be the nominee.
I think Hillary is going to gum up the works.
Jim
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This could be true but it would be foolish to parade her out again. They
must have a secret weapon hiding in the wings. But who could save the
democrats at this late date?
Get your McCain/Romney bumper sticker before they run out.
D.Duck
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*That* would be funny.
HK
The fear among the righties here is palpable...
I love every second of it.
Obama speaks to 200,000 Germans today, and McCain visits a German
restaurant.
A McCain/Romney ticket...gotta be made in heaven. :>)
John H.
'We, in Scotland , cannot figure out why people are even botherin' to hold
an election in the United States . On one side, ye have a pants-wearing
lawyer, married to a lawyer who cannot keep his pants on, who just lost a
long and heated primary against a lawyer who goes to the wrong church who
is married to yet another lawyer who doesn't even like the country her
husband wants to run.'
'Now...On the other side, you have a nice, old war hero whose name starts
with the appropriate Mc terminology married to a good looking younger
woman who owns a beer distributorship.
What in Lord's name are ye lads thinkin' over there in the colonies??'
HK
For a drooling old drunk like you, I'm sure it does say it all.
RPS
I would not put it past Billary
Eisboch
I was giving my impressions of Obama. Nice try though.
Eisboch
Eisboch
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*That* changed my mind quick. I am voting for Barrack O! <shutter>
Eisboch
Jim
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t...@yahoo.com
If by "gum up the works" you mean; whe will have Obama killed, that's
a possibility.
Eisboch
I just realized what is bothering me about Obama.
He strikes me as a modern day Jimmy Carter. Nice guy, nice talk, nice,
nice , nice, but .... where's the beef?
Jimmy Carter is a nice guy too, but was one of our weakest presidents.
Eisboch
Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
There are two things that bother me about Obama.
1 - He has no sense of history and/or how normal Americans live and
work.
2 - He already thinks he's President and he isn't official yet.
Tim
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:15:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>
>
>
> <em...@swsports.org> wrote:
> >wrote:
>
> >><justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:f7f0163f-7f67-4f6d...@q28g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Obama is a publicity stunt gone bad....
>
> >>Call it instinct, call it whatever .... but ...
>
> >>What is starting to bother me about Obama when I listen to him respond to
> >>some tough, "touchy" questions, is how he hems and haws a bit ... gets a
> >>little tongue-tied .... while searching his mind for the politically correct
> >>response.
>
> >>Seems to me, ideals, values, plans, beliefs, etc. should be second nature
> >>and on the tip of your tongue. He thinks too much and I am not sure it's
> >>for the right reasons.
>
> >Want to hear something really weird?
>
> >I don't think he's going to be the nominee.
>
> >I think Hillary is going to gum up the works.
>
> If by "gum up the works" you mean; whe will have Obama killed, that's
> a possibility.
That's a bit low, isn't it?
I'm not a fan of Barrak, but I don't wish ill harm on anyone.
Vic Smith
<em...@swsports.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:43:10 -0400, "Eisboch" <not...@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I just realized what is bothering me about Obama.
>>
>>He strikes me as a modern day Jimmy Carter. Nice guy, nice talk, nice,
>>nice , nice, but .... where's the beef?
>>Jimmy Carter is a nice guy too, but was one of our weakest presidents.
>
>There are two things that bother me about Obama.
>
>1 - He has no sense of history and/or how normal Americans live and
>work.
>
He's a yuppie. Is he the guy who asked for Swiss cheese on his Philly
Steak sandwich? Probably puts ketchup on his brats.
>2 - He already thinks he's President and he isn't official yet.
That arrogance stems from point 1.
McCain's no different, except he's military, and has humility.
Did he ever work for a penny that didn't come from the taxpayer?
Anyway, for his sacrifices I respect him more than Obama.
Neither one of these guys is right for the country.
Dick Nixon would do.
--Vic
John H.
I think he was expressing an opinion of what Hillary is capable of, not
what he desired.
Tim
Could be, John, Now I know what my bad typing looks like...
LOL!
Tim
> thun...@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:23:46 +0000, Artie Choke wrote:
>
> >> "Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don't have to just look at
> >> my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out
> >> of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to
> >> call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to
> >> ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."
>
> >> Senator B. Obama
>
> >> Only one problem - he ain't on the committee.
>
> > Being a little harsh, aren't we? These two guys have been out
> > campaigning very hard, under very close scrutiny, for a very long time.
> > For every gaff Obama makes, I can give you one that McCain makes. Get
> > over it, one of these men will be the next POTUS. Obama may not be on
> > the Senate Banking Committee, but he was a sponsor of the Iran Sanctions
> > Enabling Act of 2007. In it, were provisions that were just passed by the
> > Banking Committee.
>
> >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?
> > title=Iran_Sanctions_Enabling_Act_of_2007
>
> McCain is qualified: he was a P.O.W. Because of that, he knows that Iraq
> and Afghanistan share a border.
Well, I've made up my mind not to get into political arguements, and
I'm not jumping into a fray now.
however I thought this article from the Chicago Tribune was
interesting.
all I can say is "maybe...maybe not"
beats me. I don't know.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-23-jul23,0,1832802.column
HK
I like McCain as a person, but he's just too far over the hill and I
think would be a dangerous choice for POTUS because of that and because
he is too closely wedded to the failed policies of the Bush Administration.
threep...@live.com
> >
> Obama speaks to 200,000 Germans today, and McCain visits a German
> restaurant.
And the 200,000 Germans don't get a vote. Delicious.
Eisboch
-jul23,0,1832802.column
>
>
> I like McCain as a person, but he's just too far over the hill and I think
> would be a dangerous choice for POTUS because of that and because he is
> too closely wedded to the failed policies of the Bush Administration.
I also respect McCain but am not sure he can put the right team together to
win an election, let alone run the country. So far his campaign seems to be
one of flying by the seat of his pants with little or no strategy or well
thought out plan.
Obama is a gifted speaker and is eloquent in his delivery, but so far
there's no beef to back up the beautiful words.
McCain is blowing it by shedding his "maverick" reputation and aligning
himself with many of the Bush administration policies, most likely at the
advice of his advisors who are concerned with losing some of the GOP base
support. IMO, he should speak *his* mind.
I am starting to believe, as another posted noted, that neither McCain or
Obama have the right stuff.
Overall, the Dems blew it, IMO, by having a primary season dominated by the
foolish infighting of two candidates.
There were other Democratic candidates much more qualified to be POTUS who
fell by the wayside due to the circus-like media focus on Hillary/Obama.
The GOP blew it also by ignoring some other decent candidates.
What to do .... what to do?
Eisboch
DownTime
> I also respect McCain but am not sure he can put the right team together to
> win an election, let alone run the country. So far his campaign seems to be
> one of flying by the seat of his pants with little or no strategy or well
> thought out plan.
>
> Obama is a gifted speaker and is eloquent in his delivery, but so far
> there's no beef to back up the beautiful words.
>
> McCain is blowing it by shedding his "maverick" reputation and aligning
> himself with many of the Bush administration policies, most likely at the
> advice of his advisors who are concerned with losing some of the GOP base
> support. IMO, he should speak *his* mind.
>
> I am starting to believe, as another posted noted, that neither McCain or
> Obama have the right stuff.
>
> Overall, the Dems blew it, IMO, by having a primary season dominated by the
> foolish infighting of two candidates.
> There were other Democratic candidates much more qualified to be POTUS who
> fell by the wayside due to the circus-like media focus on Hillary/Obama.
>
> The GOP blew it also by ignoring some other decent candidates.
>
> What to do .... what to do?
>
> Eisboch
>
the job probably doesn't want it". The process that our political
system has become, let's just say is ay too over-blown and dramatic.
Millions upon untold millions of dollars spent simply to get elected to
a job for 4 years? Absurd. I've always thought that money could go to
far better uses, just look around, schools need supplies, roads need
repair, etc., the list is almost as endless as the empty promises.
What to do? Unfortuntely it has come to the point where most people
probably tend to think of the 'lesser of two evils', than who is really
best suited for the job.
John H.
I will vote for McCain, simply because I believe it's irrational to vote
for Obama.
But, I won't be sorely disappointed if Obama wins. At least, then, there
will be a *real* Democrat, as opposed to liberal wannabee, at the helm.
When the ship lands on the rocks, where I believe it's headed with the
Democrats in control, a 'Republican' won't be taking the blame.
Of course, I also believe that once the Democrats get in control, they'll
buy, using your money and what little I've got, a power base of uneducated
big enough to ensure their control for a long time.
But, I'll be dead then and my grandkids can worry about it.
John H.
wrote:
Which, I believe, is the reason Bush is in the White House right now.
HK
>
>>
>
> I will vote for McCain, simply because I believe it's irrational to vote
> for Obama.
Nyuck-nyuck-nyuck.
>
> But, I won't be sorely disappointed if Obama wins. At least, then, there
> will be a *real* Democrat, as opposed to liberal wannabee, at the helm.
> When the ship lands on the rocks, where I believe it's headed with the
> Democrats in control, a 'Republican' won't be taking the blame.
It's already on the rocks, crap-for-brains.
>
> Of course, I also believe that once the Democrats get in control, they'll
> buy, using your money and what little I've got, a power base of uneducated
> big enough to ensure their control for a long time.
>
> But, I'll be dead then and my grandkids can worry about it.
Checking out anytime soon? Just wondering. You look a *lot* different
than you did the last time I saw you, a few years ago at the marina. You
aren't aging well.
thu...@takeoutgti.net
> McCain is blowing it by shedding his "maverick" reputation and aligning
> himself with many of the Bush administration policies, most likely at
> the advice of his advisors who are concerned with losing some of the GOP
> base support. IMO, he should speak *his* mind.
Spot on. This country is roughly divided 1/3 Republicans, 1/3 Democrats,
and 1/3 Independents. It's the Independents that will decide this
election and they find his "maverick" reputation attractive. Hell, I'm
way to the left, and I find his "maverick" reputation attractive.
Frankly, party politics is killing us. We need an independent thinker.
> I am starting to believe, as another posted noted, that neither McCain
> or Obama have the right stuff.
Our primaries aren't about getting votes. They are about getting money
to continue campaigning. The most well funded candidates tend to win.
McCain and Obama aren't the best this country has to offer, but I look
more favorably on them than the candidates for the past several elections.
Mike
> for Obama.
I'm voting for McCain simply because harry is voting for Obama. I figure
whomever harry is voting for *MUST* be the wrong choice. He (harry) is
certainly an asset for the Democrats! <g>
--Mike
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John H.
>
>I'm voting for McCain simply because harry is voting for Obama. I figure
>whomever harry is voting for *MUST* be the wrong choice. He (harry) is
>certainly an asset for the Democrats! <g>
>
>
>> for Obama.
>>
>> But, I won't be sorely disappointed if Obama wins. At least, then, there
>> will be a *real* Democrat, as opposed to liberal wannabee, at the helm.
>> When the ship lands on the rocks, where I believe it's headed with the
>> Democrats in control, a 'Republican' won't be taking the blame.
>>
>> Of course, I also believe that once the Democrats get in control, they'll
>> buy, using your money and what little I've got, a power base of uneducated
>> big enough to ensure their control for a long time.
>>
>> But, I'll be dead then and my grandkids can worry about it.
>
Well, there is that!
HK
Indeed. Mike is Loogy's backup. As soon as Loogy falls into a vat of hot
oil at his job at McDonald's, Mike will become the new, full-time Loogy.
BAR
The GOP has a generation that needs to permanently retire before it can
become effective again.