► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called "black sites").
► Banned the use of torture.
► Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.
► Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.
► Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.
► Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.
► Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.
► Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell research.
► Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care insurance.
► Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.
► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".
► Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam." Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s daily newspapers.
► Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.
► Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former Bush's policy.
► Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed for years, even decades.
► Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
► Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels near national parks in Utah.
► Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans with lower monthly payments.
► Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.
► Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.
► Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international credit.
► EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.
> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at Guantanamo > Bay, Cuba.
> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called "black > sites").
> ► Banned the use of torture.
> ► Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.
> ► Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with the > residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.
> ► Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.
> ► Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance > Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured > children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.
> ► Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee > Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.
> ► Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell research.
> ► Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care > insurance.
> ► Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.
> ► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".
> ► Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states the > United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam." Signaling a > thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s daily newspapers.
> ► Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.
> ► Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed at > ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former Bush's > policy.
> ► Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to sue > for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed for > years, even decades.
> ► Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal land > in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
> ► Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels near > national parks in Utah.
> ► Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners avoid > foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans with lower > monthly payments.
> ► Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.
> ► Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.
> ► Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international > credit.
> ► EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other > greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.
> (Partial list swiped from KOS)
Is this good or bad?
Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments. Others will view it with grave concern. Some will pick and choose. Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of whether we are going in the right direction or not.
>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at >> Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called >> "black sites").
>> ► Banned the use of torture.
>> ► Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.
>> ► Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with >> the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.
>> ► Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.
>> ► Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance >> Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured >> children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.
>> ► Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee >> Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.
>> ► Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell >> research.
>> ► Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care >> insurance.
>> ► Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.
>> ► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".
>> ► Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states >> the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam." >> Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s >> daily newspapers.
>> ► Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.
>> ► Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed >> at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former >> Bush's policy.
>> ► Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to >> sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed >> for years, even decades.
>> ► Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal >> land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
>> ► Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels >> near national parks in Utah.
>> ► Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners >> avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans >> with lower monthly payments.
>> ► Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.
>> ► Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.
>> ► Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international >> credit.
>> ► EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other >> greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.
>> (Partial list swiped from KOS)
> Is this good or bad?
> Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments. > Others will view it with grave concern. > Some will pick and choose. > Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of > whether we are going in the right direction or not.
> Eisboch
We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates lost to be less happy with some of what is on the list.
Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the last year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who believe we are moving in the right direction is rising.
>>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at Guantanamo >>> Bay, Cuba.
>>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called >>> "black sites").
>>> ► Banned the use of torture.
>>> ► Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.
>>> ► Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, with >>> the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by December 2011.
>>> ► Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.
>>> ► Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health Insurance >>> Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 million uninsured >>> children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.
>>> ► Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the Employee >>> Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s FULL support.
>>> ► Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell >>> research.
>>> ► Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care >>> insurance.
>>> ► Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.
>>> ► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".
>>> ► Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama states >>> the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam." >>> Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of Tehran’s >>> daily newspapers.
>>> ► Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.
>>> ► Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed at >>> ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from former >>> Bush's policy.
>>> ► Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others to >>> sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has prevailed for >>> years, even decades.
>>> ► Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal land >>> in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
>>> ► Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels near >>> national parks in Utah.
>>> ► Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners >>> avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans with >>> lower monthly payments.
>>> ► Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.
>>> ► Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.
>>> ► Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international >>> credit.
>>> ► EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and other >>> greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet.
>>> (Partial list swiped from KOS)
>> Is this good or bad?
>> Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments. >> Others will view it with grave concern. >> Some will pick and choose. >> Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of whether >> we are going in the right direction or not.
>> Eisboch
> We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so > far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates lost > to be less happy with some of what is on the list.
> Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the last > year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who believe we > are moving in the right direction is rising.
I don't think too many people are displeased or disapprove of Obama. He enjoys a very high approval rating. However, it's *him* that is approved of. He has a great personality, sense of humor and acts "presidential". The concerns aren't with him as a person. The concerns are the policies and economic programs his administration is pursuing with the support of a Democratically controlled Congress. That's what concerns me anyway. We simply can't afford it.
>>>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at >>>> Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
>>>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called >>>> "black sites").
>>>> ► Banned the use of torture.
>>>> ► Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.
>>>> ► Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, >>>> with the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by >>>> December 2011.
>>>> ► Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.
>>>> ► Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health >>>> Insurance Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 >>>> million uninsured children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.
>>>> ► Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the >>>> Employee Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s >>>> FULL support.
>>>> ► Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell >>>> research.
>>>> ► Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health >>>> care insurance.
>>>> ► Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.
>>>> ► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".
>>>> ► Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama >>>> states the United States "is not and never will be at war with >>>> Islam." Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of >>>> Tehran’s daily newspapers.
>>>> ► Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.
>>>> ► Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed >>>> at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from >>>> former Bush's policy.
>>>> ► Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others >>>> to sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has >>>> prevailed for years, even decades.
>>>> ► Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal >>>> land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
>>>> ► Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels >>>> near national parks in Utah.
>>>> ► Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners >>>> avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans >>>> with lower monthly payments.
>>>> ► Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.
>>>> ► Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.
>>>> ► Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international >>>> credit.
>>>> ► EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and >>>> other greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the >>>> planet.
>>>> (Partial list swiped from KOS)
>>> Is this good or bad?
>>> Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments. >>> Others will view it with grave concern. >>> Some will pick and choose. >>> Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of >>> whether we are going in the right direction or not.
>>> Eisboch
>> We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so >> far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates >> lost to be less happy with some of what is on the list.
>> Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the >> last year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who >> believe we are moving in the right direction is rising.
> I don't think too many people are displeased or disapprove of Obama. He > enjoys a very high approval rating. > However, it's *him* that is approved of. He has a great personality, > sense of humor and acts "presidential". > The concerns aren't with him as a person. The concerns are the policies > and economic programs his administration is pursuing with the support of > a Democratically controlled Congress. That's what concerns me anyway. > We simply can't afford it.
> Eisboch
I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful expenditures that fueled warmongering.
The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything, chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about anything real.
> I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to > me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of > this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful > expenditures that fueled warmongering.
> The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and > become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help > solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything, > chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two > Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about > anything real.
I am hopeful that an intelligent and thoughtful conservative will emerge who can effectively debate and influence some of the run-a-way spending programs we are on now. We need some balance and not name calling. A check and balance safety net that prevents one ideology from getting too carried away has always been the strength of the USA.
Running a hundred miles an hour in the opposite direction doesn't necessarily fix any problems.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:54:24 -0400, HK <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote: >I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to >me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of >this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful >expenditures that fueled warmongering.
>The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and >become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help >solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything, > chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two >Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about >anything real.
From your lips to the Governor of Utah. Who'd have thought...
In an interview with ABC News, Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) blasted Republicans in Congress for not engaging with President Obama.
Said Huntsman: "You can't just say no. You can't just obstruct or obfuscate. Instead of just kind of grousing and complaining, it would do us all a whole lot of good if we actually started engaging directly in finding compromises and common ground and shared solutions... When you are devoid of the ideas, or the content that would allow you to articulate or paint a better future, you have no choice other than to fall back on 'no, we are not going support it, it cannot be done."
It seems Huntsman is intent on positioning himself as a possible moderate Republican candidate for president in 2012.
>> I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to >> me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of >> this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful >> expenditures that fueled warmongering.
>> The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and >> become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help >> solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything, >> chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two >> Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about >> anything real.
>I am hopeful that an intelligent and thoughtful conservative will emerge who >can effectively debate and influence >some of the run-a-way spending programs we are on now. We need some balance >and not name calling. >A check and balance safety net that prevents one ideology from getting too >carried away has always been the strength of the USA.
>Running a hundred miles an hour in the opposite direction doesn't >necessarily fix any problems.
>Eisboch
When Obama came through Seattle on his book tour, he gave a brief talk at Benaroya Hall, home of our symphony.
Your point about our form of government being stable was among his topics. He said that no matter how bad it gets (referring to Bush) it'll never go so bad as to fail. And in the same regard, no matter how hard we try to push in the other direction, there'll always be that counter balance that won't allow too radical a shift.
His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways to discuss our differences.
>>>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney torture facility at >>>> Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
>>>> ► Ordered the closing of the Bush-Cheney overseas Gulags (so-called >>>> "black sites").
>>>> ► Banned the use of torture.
>>>> ► Suspended Military tribunals of foreign detainees.
>>>> ► Orders the withdraw of combat forces from Iraq by August 2010, >>>> with the residual force, between 35,000 to 50,000 leaving by >>>> December 2011.
>>>> ► Passes $787 BILLION Jobs-Stimulus bill.
>>>> ► Signed $32.8 billion bill for the State Children's Health >>>> Insurance Program, known as SCHIP, extending health care to 4 >>>> million uninsured children. A bill vetoed various times by Bush.
>>>> ► Told AFL-CIO union leaders in a videotaped address that the >>>> Employee Free Choice Act WILL PASS, pledging his administration’s >>>> FULL support.
>>>> ► Overturned Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem cell >>>> research.
>>>> ► Budgets $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health >>>> care insurance.
>>>> ► Cancels government contract with Blackwater Mercenaries.
>>>> ► Voids George W. Bush’s so-called "signing statements".
>>>> ► Addressing Turkey's Grand National Assembly, President Obama >>>> states the United States "is not and never will be at war with >>>> Islam." Signaling a thaw, the story is carried on the front page of >>>> Tehran’s daily newspapers.
>>>> ► Begins changing of U.S. policy towards Cuba.
>>>> ► Announced the US will engage in direct group talks with Iran aimed >>>> at ending Tehran's nuclear program, marking another shift from >>>> former Bush's policy.
>>>> ► Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women and others >>>> to sue for pay discrimination, even if the discrimination has >>>> prevailed for years, even decades.
>>>> ► Cancelled Bush decision to allow oil-shale development on federal >>>> land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
>>>> ► Cancelled Bush decision allowing oil and gas drilling in parcels >>>> near national parks in Utah.
>>>> ► Started a $75 billion plan to help 9 million struggling homeowners >>>> avoid foreclosure, offering refinanced mortgages or modified loans >>>> with lower monthly payments.
>>>> ► Announces plans to drastically cut the world's nuclear arsenal.
>>>> ► Began negotiations to reduce nuclear arms with Russia.
>>>> ► Persuades G-20 to open $1.4 trillion fund to restore international >>>> credit.
>>>> ► EPA moves, for the first time, to regulate carbon dioxide and >>>> other greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the >>>> planet.
>>>> (Partial list swiped from KOS)
>>> Is this good or bad?
>>> Many will see this list as a glowing list of positive accomplishments. >>> Others will view it with grave concern. >>> Some will pick and choose. >>> Right now the country, as a whole, is equally divided in terms of >>> whether we are going in the right direction or not.
>>> Eisboch
>> We supported and voted for Obama, and think the list is pretty good so >> far, with a lot left to do. One would expect those whose candidates >> lost to be less happy with some of what is on the list.
>> Equally divided as to right direction is a great improvement over the >> last year of the Bush Administration, and the number of those who >> believe we are moving in the right direction is rising.
> I don't think too many people are displeased or disapprove of Obama. He > enjoys a very high approval rating. > However, it's *him* that is approved of. He has a great personality, > sense of humor and acts "presidential". > The concerns aren't with him as a person. The concerns are the policies > and economic programs his administration is pursuing with the support of > a Democratically controlled Congress. That's what concerns me anyway. > We simply can't afford it.
> Eisboch
I believe that one British newspaper described obama recent political tour of Europe as the most successful since Napoleon's retreat from Moscow. You have not heard about his successes among the Europeans governments.
My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the budget.
Up until the third debate he was making a big thing about talking to anyone any where with out conditions. He contradicted that during the debate
obama say that President Bush's deficit 450b was bad and turn around and pass a budget with a deficit that is three that or about 1.3t. They removed the story but the government debit will increase for 11t to 17t under obama.
The man will go down in history as the first black president. However his extremely negative attitude will never get him a place in history, and he will be rated down there with I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-lady Clinton and Carter whose most newsworthy event was when he was attacked by the rabbit.
<keith_nut...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I believe that one British newspaper described obama recent political >tour of Europe as the most successful since Napoleon's retreat from >Moscow. You have not heard about his successes among the Europeans >governments.
> His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was > commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree > needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways > to discuss our differences.
> I guess you know how far that's gotten...
One of the problems with political "outsiders" (includes Obama, IMO) is that they arrive in Washington DC full of idealism and grand illusions of changing the status quo.
It usually doesn't take long before the WashDC influence starts kicking in and idealism goes out the window in favor of survival.
Obama's off to a good start in terms of getting his ideas in the pipeline, but he has limited time.
> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. > Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you > previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some > people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the > budget.
Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class range.
Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.
>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. >> Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you >> previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some >> people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the >> budget.
> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I > didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy > and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big > paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting > this month. His current income is in the very low middle class range.
> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several > tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.
> Eisboch
hee hee...that sounds like up here. Everytime the Feds lower taxes, the province jumps in with higher user fees for everything.
jps wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:54:24 -0400, HK <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>> I can understand your concerns. They concern me, too. The problem is, to >> me a least, that the last president too long ignored the real needs of >> this country while pumping billions and trillions into wasteful >> expenditures that fueled warmongering.
>> The GOP seems unable to find a reasonable and responsible direction and >> become the loyal opposition with plans and programs of its own to help >> solve the horrific problems we have. Saying NO to just about everything, >> chasing out elected Republican officials, and name-calling the two >> Republican Senators from Maine makes me wonder if the GOP cares about >> anything real.
> From your lips to the Governor of Utah. Who'd have thought...
> In an interview with ABC News, Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) blasted > Republicans in Congress for not engaging with President Obama.
> Said Huntsman: "You can't just say no. You can't just obstruct or > obfuscate. Instead of just kind of grousing and complaining, it would > do us all a whole lot of good if we actually started engaging directly > in finding compromises and common ground and shared solutions... When > you are devoid of the ideas, or the content that would allow you to > articulate or paint a better future, you have no choice other than to > fall back on 'no, we are not going support it, it cannot be done."
> It seems Huntsman is intent on positioning himself as a possible > moderate Republican candidate for president in 2012.
The GOP structure doesn't want a moderate anything.
>> His approach to bipartisanship was what attracted me the most. He was >> commited to trying to find issues that all Americans could agree >> needed attention so that we could work together and find better ways >> to discuss our differences.
>> I guess you know how far that's gotten...
>One of the problems with political "outsiders" (includes Obama, IMO) is >that they arrive in Washington DC full of idealism and grand illusions of >changing the status quo.
>It usually doesn't take long before the WashDC influence starts kicking in >and idealism goes out the window in favor of survival.
>Obama's off to a good start in terms of getting his ideas in the pipeline, >but he has limited time.
>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. >> Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you >> previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some >> people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the >> budget.
>Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't >notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just >getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet) >got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month. >His current income is in the very low middle class range.
>Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several >tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.
>Eisboch
Once the changes went into effect, an employee making $75K saw a $40 increase on a bi-weekly basis -- enough to fill the fuel tank every couple of weeks.
>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. >> Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you >> previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, >> some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of >> the budget.
> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I > didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy > and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big > paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck > starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class > range.
> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the > several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better > off.
Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
>>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. >>> Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you >>> previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some >>> people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the >>> budget.
>> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I >> didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy >> and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big >> paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck >> starting this month. His current income is in the very low middle class >> range.
>> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the >> several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better >> off.
> Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law > passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce the > latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation doesn't pass > there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
>>>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he >>>> says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told >>>> you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax >>>> cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking >>>> out of the budget.
>>> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I >>> didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the >>> Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning >>> a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his >>> paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low >>> middle class range.
>>> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the >>> several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no >>> better off.
>> Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law >> passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce >> the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation >> doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
> Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".
I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.
>>>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he >>>> says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told >>>> you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax >>>> cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking >>>> out of the budget.
>>> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I >>> didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the >>> Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning >>> a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his >>> paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low >>> middle class range.
>>> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the >>> several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no >>> better off.
>> Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law >> passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce >> the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation >> doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
> Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".
> Eisboch
What slime ball passed that off as a tax cut. What it amounts to is a smaller refund or taller tax bill at tax time. Are we going to be seeing this sort of crap for the next 3 years 265 days?
>>>>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he >>>>> says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told >>>>> you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax >>>>> cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking >>>>> out of the budget.
>>>> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I >>>> didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the >>>> Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning >>>> a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his >>>> paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low >>>> middle class range.
>>>> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the >>>> several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no >>>> better off.
>>> Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law >>> passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce >>> the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation >>> doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
>> Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut".
>I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.
You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.
Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.
>>>>>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he >>>>>> says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told >>>>>> you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax >>>>>> cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking >>>>>> out of the budget.
>>>>> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I >>>>> didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the >>>>> Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning >>>>> a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his >>>>> paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low >>>>> middle class range.
>>>>> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the >>>>> several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no >>>>> better off. >>>> Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law >>>> passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce >>>> the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation >>>> doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
>>> Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut". >> I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.
> You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the > withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.
> Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.
> I didn't hear you bitching back then.
President Bush provide real tax cuts, what do you think pelosi is talking about letting expire. These tax cuts were enacted before the democrats took over congress.
>>>>>>> My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he >>>>>>> says. Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told >>>>>>> you previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax >>>>>>> cut, some people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking >>>>>>> out of the budget.
>>>>>> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I >>>>>> didn't notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the >>>>>> Navy and just getting started in his civilian career (and not earning >>>>>> a big paycheck yet) got just under 10 bucks more a week in his >>>>>> paycheck starting this month. His current income is in the very low >>>>>> middle class range.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the >>>>>> several tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no >>>>>> better off. >>>>> Is that a tax cut or a reduction in withholding? There has been no law >>>>> passed for the former but an order has been given to the IRS to reduce >>>>> the latter. All it is,s an illusion. If the tax cut legislation >>>>> doesn't pass there will be an even bigger tea party April 15th 2010.
>>>> Reduction is withholding *is* the "tax cut". >>> I think I'll submit a W4 today and give my self an even bigger tax cut.
>> You're both talking out of your asses. It's a tax cut and the >> withholding is reflective of the lower tax rate.
>> Bush is the one who gave people their own money in advance.
>> I didn't hear you bitching back then. >President Bush provide real tax cuts, what do you think pelosi is >talking about letting expire. These tax cuts were enacted before the >democrats took over congress.
For billionaires, which they still enjoy. They will expire.
> > My biggest problem with the man is that you cannot trust what he says. > > Every time he opens his mouth he contradicts what he has told you > > previously. For example he said he would give everybody a tax cut, some > > people have not started to receive it yet and he is taking out of the > > budget.
> Apparently the tax cuts are in effect. I don't have an income, so I didn't > notice, but my youngest son, less than two years out of the Navy and just > getting started in his civilian career (and not earning a big paycheck yet) > got just under 10 bucks more a week in his paycheck starting this month. > His current income is in the very low middle class range.
> Unfortunately, that 10 bucks is going to more than absorbed by the several > tax increases being implimented by the state, so he's no better off.
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