Marine Radiotelephone Question
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and/or VHF)? And which one would YOU PERSONALLY rather have available
installed in your console ?
What do you think of the Marine two-way radiotelephone offerings of ICOM ?
Thanks very much for your opinion. You may email me directly if you want to
keep it confidential.
Peter Wang
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Steve Shelikoff
>
> Who are the leading manufacturers for Marine two-way radiotelephones (HF
> and/or VHF)? And which one would YOU PERSONALLY rather have available
> installed in your console ?
I have a Standard VHF radio and am happy with it.
> What do you think of the Marine two-way radiotelephone offerings of ICOM ?
In general, Icom makes a very good quality radio. And that includes more than
just their marine radios. I'm very familiar with Icom Ham radios and they're
nice. I'd recommend them.
Steve
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one has more goodies....
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peter...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
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>Who are the leading manufacturers for Marine two-way radiotelephones (HF
>and/or VHF)? And which one would YOU PERSONALLY rather have available
>installed in your console ?
>
>
>keep it confidential.
>
>Peter Wang
>
You'll have to look long and far to find a better radio than ICOM. I
installed a fixed mount ICOM in my last boat and loved it. I also have an
ICOM IC-M5 hand-held that must be at least 20 years old and operates
perfectly. The M5 was my Dad's and saw serious time at sea (salt.) My
current boat came with a Standard Horizon Nova as factory installed
equipment which I also like very much. The microphone doubles as a speaker
which is very good for hearing while underway (just hold it up to your ear.)
I bought a Standard HX255S handheld about a year ago to act as a mate for
the antiquated M5. It is a very sweet little hand held. Hope this helps.
Larry
Great electronics from a first class company.....(c;
Larry KN4IM
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:09:22 GMT, peter...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Who are the leading manufacturers for Marine two-way radiotelephones (HF
>and/or VHF)? And which one would YOU PERSONALLY rather have available
>installed in your console ?
>
>What do you think of the Marine two-way radiotelephone offerings of ICOM ?
>
>Thanks very much for your opinion. You may email me directly if you want to
>keep it confidential.
>
>Peter Wang
>
K.K.
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the only difference between most vhf radios is how much money and how
easy you want to changge channels
ze...@magicnet.net
> Who are the leading manufacturers for Marine two-way radiotelephones (HF
> and/or VHF)? And which one would YOU PERSONALLY rather have available
> installed in your console ?
>
> What do you think of the Marine two-way radiotelephone offerings of ICOM ?
>
> Thanks very much for your opinion. You may email me directly if you want to
> keep it confidential.
>
> Peter Wang
One of the best handheld marine VHF radios is the Apelco 520. Very water
resistant, and can be set to 1, 3, or 5 watts. Nicad or alkaline.
Bruce & Debora Gordon
communications. For maintainance, and service life, I look for what can
be repaired with locally purchased repair parts, and what has the best
Dealer Service System worldwide. In these catagories, SEA has got to
be one of the best around. The design team at SEA is based around the
Core Team from the old Nothern Radio Company. These fellows have been
designing and marketing SSB and Vhf communications gear for 35 years
and have been inovaters in the basic concepts which we take for granted
in Marine Communications. They pioneered Marine Communications in the
North Pacific and Alaska, and for years the N-550 was the best Marine
SSB Radio in the world. The SEA 222 has sold more units than any other
design in Marine Electronics, before it was retired. These radios are
designed with the ease of opertions as a prime factor, and just about
any shop can fix them if they ever do break. I have installations of
SEA radio's that are 10 years old and never been looked at since by a
tech. These operate 24/7's all summer long in the Alaska Fishing
Industry. They just work, no muss, no fuss. I have a few Coast
Stations built around SEA 322's and 330's that have tranceivers remoted
away from computer network noise by 3000 feet of 4 pair teleco wire,
with 4 or 5 control heads in the operations offices. I even have one
that operates as a dialup remote, and can be operated from any phone in
the world. Very well designed and a staff of engineers that go out of
their way to accomadate difficult operational requirements. Try
getting that out of the other manufactures.
Bruce (semiretired powderman & exFCC Field Inspector for Southeastern
Alaska)
Bruce Gordon * Debora Gordon R.N. Bruce's Trading Post
P.O. Box EXI Excursion Inlet South
Juneau, Alaska 99850 Excursion Inlet, Alaska 99850
University of Alaska Remote Weather Data Collection Site
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btp...@eagle.ptialaska.net AL7AQ@KL7HFI * KL7WJ@KL7HFI
**** Have bandwidth and connection Will communicate ****
Rick and Lisa Marinelli
>Just my opinion, of course, but you can't go wrong with either Standard
>or Icom.
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Standard is now making the first radio with DSC that meets industry
standards. True, nobody is "listening" yet, but that is supposed to
change either this year or next.
Anybody have an opinion on this radio?
Rick Marinelli
rickandlisa"deletethistoemail"@erols.com
Soon to be the owner of a '99 Cobalt 226
Phoenix
"standard".
By the way, I have a Standard.
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Rick and Lisa Marinelli wrote in message
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John Howell
> Standard is now making the first radio with DSC that meets industry
> standards. True, nobody is "listening" yet, but that is supposed to
> change either this year or next.
>
> Anybody have an opinion on this radio?
>
> Rick Marinelli
> rickandlisa"deletethistoemail"@erols.com
> Soon to be the owner of a '99 Cobalt 226
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Bob W6JCW
>On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:02:21 -0500, Bob <bob-N...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>Just my opinion, of course, but you can't go wrong with either Standard
>>or Icom.
>>--
>
>standards. True, nobody is "listening" yet, but that is supposed to
>change either this year or next.
>
Rick, Does this mean my 2 year old Icom M-59, with DSC, doesn't
meet "industry standards"?? If not, would you mind explaining
what "industry standards" are, and why it doesn't meet them?? I installed
the DSC card and had the DSC programmed by ICOM almost two years ago......
I even think Larry has one on his Sea Rayder......
Bob Sanders
W6JCW WCX9862
M/V HEDONISM III
http://home.earthlink.net/~bobsand/
John Howell
The DSc standards have evolved and seem still to be evolving..
There are several standards for DSc
Class A B C D E F G
FOR MF/HF A E AND G
For VHF B C D F apply
If your DSC is class C then It doesn t now meet existing standards as it
could only send DSC and not acknowledge the receitpt of DSC.
Class D and class F which provide for the accepted minimum of facilities
regarding transmit and receive are what is being offered now for vessels
less than 300 tons..Icom and SHipmate have radios to this spec on the
market...the Shipmate here in the UK is around 1200usd.
I m speaking to Icom tomorrow....might question them on this one..
John
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>
> Bob..
>
> The DSc standards have evolved and seem still to be evolving..
>
> There are several standards for DSc
>
> Class A B C D E F G
> FOR MF/HF A E AND G
>
> For VHF B C D F apply
>
> If your DSC is class C then It doesn t now meet existing standards as it
> could only send DSC and not acknowledge the receitpt of DSC.
>
> Class D and class F which provide for the accepted minimum of facilities
> regarding transmit and receive are what is being offered now for vessels
> less than 300 tons..Icom and SHipmate have radios to this spec on the
> market...the Shipmate here in the UK is around 1200usd.
>
> I m speaking to Icom tomorrow....might question them on this one..
>
> John
> Bob W6JCW wrote:
Standard has a new fixed VHF that retails for $219 that supposedly has
all the needed DSC circuitry built in. West and Boat/US show it in their
catalogs.
Russ Glindmeier, CFP
John Howell wrote in message <36DEBB...@netcomuk.co.uk>...
>Bob..
>
>The DSc standards have evolved and seem still to be evolving..
>
>There are several standards for DSc
>
>Class A B C D E F G
>FOR MF/HF A E AND G
>
>For VHF B C D F apply
>
>If your DSC is class C then It doesn t now meet existing standards as it
>could only send DSC and not acknowledge the receitpt of DSC.
>
>Class D and class F which provide for the accepted minimum of facilities
>regarding transmit and receive are what is being offered now for vessels
>less than 300 tons..Icom and SHipmate have radios to this spec on the
>market...the Shipmate here in the UK is around 1200usd.
>
>I m speaking to Icom tomorrow....might question them on this one..
>
>John
The beautiful thing about standards (protocols, not the radio brand name),
is that there are so many to choose from!
Russ
John Howell
that set off alarms but did not have receive circuitry in the dsc....so
couldn t record the acknowledgment.....be interesting to see what
Standard are offering....
One thing they all have to do is give the vessels msi number....position
and time of the position which can be entered manually or picked up from
a nemea output on the GPS etc..also an indication of the type of
emergency....The more you pay....the easier it is to get it to send!!!
;-))
The Rolls Royce has a touch screen and is very user friendly...some of
the cheaper sets are a bit more time consuming in getting the message
set up..
Give it a year or two and they ll be selling the all singing and dancing
top of the range for a couple of hundred bucks once the factories have
got wound up in China..
John
>
> The beautiful thing about standards (protocols, not the radio brand name),
> is that there are so many to choose from!
>
> Russ
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John Howell wrote in message <36DF01...@netcomuk.co.uk>...
>Just depends what you want.....the el cheepos could transmit the tones
>that set off alarms but did not have receive circuitry in the dsc....so
>couldn t record the acknowledgment.....be interesting to see what
>Standard are offering....
>
>One thing they all have to do is give the vessels msi number....position
>and time of the position which can be entered manually or picked up from
>a nemea output on the GPS etc..also an indication of the type of
>emergency....The more you pay....the easier it is to get it to send!!!
>;-))
>
>The Rolls Royce has a touch screen and is very user friendly...some of
>the cheaper sets are a bit more time consuming in getting the message
>set up..
>
>Give it a year or two and they ll be selling the all singing and dancing
>top of the range for a couple of hundred bucks once the factories have
>got wound up in China..
>
>John
>
>>
>> The beautiful thing about standards (protocols, not the radio brand
name),
>> is that there are so many to choose from!
>>
>> Russ
>
context rather than specific to dsc. I'm afraid I have to admit complete
ignorance to the dsc issue, I just haven't followed it. But it seems that
the electronics industry, not just marine electronics, is notorious for
bringing competing and non-compatible standards to market, leaving the
consumer holding the bag. The consumer electronics industry is especially
guilty of this witnessed by the classic battles dating back to
8-Track/Cassette, VHS/Beta, DAC/MD, AC3/DTS, with the current nightmare
being how best to handle HDTV broadcasts. In the marine industry I have
heard of components from different manufacturers, all using the NMEA
standard, being unable to communicate with each other. Seems to me if they
would resolve these issues before coming to market, the consumer would
embrace the new technologies sooner and with less trepidation.
Russ
Larry
>
>Rick, Does this mean my 2 year old Icom M-59, with DSC, doesn't
>meet "industry standards"?? If not, would you mind explaining
>what "industry standards" are, and why it doesn't meet them?? I installed
>the DSC card and had the DSC programmed by ICOM almost two years ago......
>
>I even think Larry has one on his Sea Rayder......
You forgot the $95 license I had to buy....(d^:)
Larry...
Larry
<jho...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
>Bob..
>
>The DSc standards have evolved and seem still to be evolving..
>
>There are several standards for DSc
>
The M-59 can be called by ONE (dammit) station whos 9-digit number may
be entered, manually, into the ONE (dammit) memory location. The
other station may then drag the M-59 to whatever working channel they
call it to.
The M-59 can initiate ONE (dammit) call to ONE (dammit) other station
for a chat. If you wanna call someone ELSE but the ONE (dammit)
station, you have to enter the new number OVER the old number because
it only stores ONE (dammit) number!! (Are you LISTENING, ICOM???)
The M-59 can initiate a Ch 70 DSC emergency and DOES respond to both
the YES and NO acks and directs the YES station to Ch 16 upon receipt
of the proper response, otherwise it keeps screaming for a YES
response as we SLOWLY (I hope) sink into the abyss....our batteries
filling with seawater.
It isn't a good DSC communicator, like the ships have, but isn't
$10,000, either!
Larry...DSC equipped...well, sort of.
Larry
wrote:
>
>Standard has a new fixed VHF that retails for $219 that supposedly has
>all the needed DSC circuitry built in. West and Boat/US show it in their
>catalogs.
It acts the same as the Icom DSC units....which is reasonable. I'm
waiting for the full email, communications terminal model for
$299....like my ham radio packet node...(c;
Larry KN4IM
John Howell
<snip>
>
> The M-59 can initiate ONE (dammit) call to ONE (dammit) other station
> for a chat. If you wanna call someone ELSE but the ONE (dammit)
> station, you have to enter the new number OVER the old number because
> it only stores ONE (dammit) number!! (Are you LISTENING, ICOM???)
This is the case with most.....however the more expensive syatems are
more user friendly and so entering the MMSi number is no problem....I
expect in the case of some of the cheeppies you ll have to ask the baot
to stop sinking so you have more time to go through a less user friendly
process......thenyou have to enter position and time!!!!! If no NMEA
interface ;-((
The Big manufacturers of ships systems are looking at the top end of our
market and coming out with products that some of us might afford...and
are user friendly...
The best unit I ve seen is a DSC interface made by the fella that used
to be the Packratt agent over here..(amtor digital modems..)
It is touch control and can be interfaced to many radios so even a child
can use it....
> Larry...DSC equipped...well, sort of.
Sounds like me......now I just need to get the operators licence ;-))
But hell...an M800 re chipped and the above DSC modem is more than
adequate...
John Howell
This is fair comment....It seems in the case of GMDSS some folk got off
to a head start without waiting....now they have ratified various
standards from the top of the range all singing and dancing for the big
ships to the cheepie cheepies for us sailor boys....No doubt there will
be makers putting products on the market which meet their own
interpretation of these standards;-)
The other problem we have is that most coastal states are requiring that
before we lift that wee transparent cover and press the tit...We go on a
GMDSS course....Could be a bit inconvenient if you happen to go on fire
too soon!!!! Oh well at least course attendance will ensure you send
the right message....
Fortunately in the UK the coastguard are going to monitor CH 16 for a
bit longer....So our vocal calls for help might continue to be answered
by other than a digital banshee...
John
<snip>
> heard of components from different manufacturers, all using the NMEA
> standard, being unable to communicate with each other. Seems to me if they
> would resolve these issues before coming to market, the consumer would
> embrace the new technologies sooner and with less trepidation.
>
> Russ
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Rick and Lisa Marinelli
>In article <36dd36bc...@news.erols.com>, rickandlisadel...@erols.com (Rick and Lisa Marinelli) wrote:
>>On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:02:21 -0500, Bob <bob-N...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Just my opinion, of course, but you can't go wrong with either Standard
>>>or Icom.
>>>--
>>
>>Standard is now making the first radio with DSC that meets industry
>>standards. True, nobody is "listening" yet, but that is supposed to
>>change either this year or next.
>>
>
>Rick, Does this mean my 2 year old Icom M-59, with DSC, doesn't
>meet "industry standards"?? If not, would you mind explaining
>what "industry standards" are, and why it doesn't meet them?? I installed
>the DSC card and had the DSC programmed by ICOM almost two years ago......
>
I didn't mean to make myself sound like an expert. All I did was
paraphrase from West Marine's catalog. I am very interested in what
other people have to say about this claim. When I get home, I'll
quote verbatim from the catalog and let folks take shots at it... :)
Duane Clause
I read that it will only work if you leave it on channel 70.
Can't even use the scan feature. I already monitor 4
channels on 2 radios, not about to add a 3rd radio for a
feature that is not very useful yet.
Capt. Duane Clause
John Howell
This meant it would transmit a DSC call but was not able to receive...
This class is actually non approved in some places cos of this
shortcoming....
You only need to put thee radio on channel 70 to transmit a DSC
alarm...not much point leaving the radio there if it aint going to do
anything on receive...
Icom have a radio being developed which will be able to receive also..
These radios actually have 2 receivers....one locked on channel 70 and
the other used as nomal...on receipt of an emergency the radio brings in
ch 16
I expect the Standard is also class F at the price being quoted which is
why we don t see it over here wher this class is not approved!!
John
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Rick and Lisa Marinelli
<jho...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
>The board Icom made for the m59 and others was only to class F.
>
>This meant it would transmit a DSC call but was not able to receive...
>
>This class is actually non approved in some places cos of this
>shortcoming....
>
>You only need to put thee radio on channel 70 to transmit a DSC
>alarm...not much point leaving the radio there if it aint going to do
>anything on receive...
>
>Icom have a radio being developed which will be able to receive also..
>
>These radios actually have 2 receivers....one locked on channel 70 and
>the other used as nomal...on receipt of an emergency the radio brings in
>ch 16
>
>I expect the Standard is also class F at the price being quoted which is
>why we don t see it over here wher this class is not approved!!
>
>John
>>
>> I was going to install the dsc board in my Icom M127, until
>> I read that it will only work if you leave it on channel 70.
>> Can't even use the scan feature. I already monitor 4
>> channels on 2 radios, not about to add a 3rd radio for a
>> feature that is not very useful yet.
>>
Here is what West Marine says about the Standard Horizon Intrepid:
"The Intrepid is the only radio to meet the FCC's most stringent
standard for Digital Selective Calling., SC-101."
"Manufacturers have been trying to hit a moving target for several
years, since the specification for what constitutes a DSC radio has
changed repeatedly."
"For consumers, there have been virtually no benefits from DSC,
although it has caused tons of confusion. Many customers purchased
DSC radios, mistakingly believing that their boating would somehow
improved. ... Luckily, the situation has changed dramatically in the
past year, and we are beginning to see a time when the benefits of DSC
radios will be realized."
"The problem is that the Coast Guard does not have the infrastructure
to listen to DSC distress calls. So while you may be able to
transmit, no one is listening."
"We understand that one of two solutions will evolve to make DSC
useful and practical as a means of distress communications. One,
which is only a rumor at this point, is to have a national private
company undertake the role of monitoring distress calls and forwarding
them to the Coast Guard. This private company would do no
interpretations, but merely serve as the ears of the Coast Guard on
coastal waters, major rivers and lakes. This could happen, apparently,
as soon as mid-1999.
The other solution is to have the Coast Guard take on this duty, which
is apparently mandated if no other solution exists by the end of 2000.
This means that in the next 6-24 months (from the date of writing,
Dec. 1998), there is likely to be someone monitoring DSC distress
messages.
The second major change is the introduction of the Standard Horizon
Intrepid, which is the first type-accepted DSC SC-101 radio that we
know of. While other radios have fallen short of the mark in one way
or another, we believe the Intrepid is the first in a series of
compliant radios which actually offer benefits to boaters. Two
features of particular importance: the Intrepid can be programmed from
the front panel, so you can enter your vessel's identification code
without at trip to the electronics repair shop, and the Intrepid is
affordable [$219.99]."
Rick Marinelli
rickandlisarem...@erols.com
James L. Gordon
optional DSC module was advertised as offering the ability to send out a
digital may-day to the big ships. The idea at that time was that the ships
would better be able to relay the VHF may-day to the Coast Guard with their
higher antennas and professional crews. I purchased DSC because I think
that pushing a button a couple of times in a panic situation might be easier
to do than sit still on the command bridge and scream for help as my boat
goes down. I need that precious time to take care of my passages and crew.
I feel that a professional crew aboard a ship is more likely to respond in
a timely and professional way than any weekend angler. The ability to call
one DSC to another directly without being picked up by another radio sounds
nice but then I have been using cell phones for that feature and it is the
same on land and sea.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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