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jps
May 19, 2013, 1:31:31 AM5/19/13
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In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
protect your family.
�It�s natural to want to do everything you can to keep you family
safe, especially if you live in a dangerous neighborhood,� he told the
Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. �In a thunderstorm, it is also
natural to take cover under the nearest tree, but that doesn�t make it
a good idea.�
Kellermann has published several studies on gun ownership, which found
keeping a firearm in the home increased the odds a family member would
become a homicide victim. Not surprisingly, gun rights advocates have
claimed that his research is flawed.
�The facts are this: While there are occasionally instances where
someone uses a gun for self-defense effectively, the number of times a
gun in the home is involved in the death of a child, the death of a
family member, [or] the death of a visiting relative who is depressed
vastly overwhelms the number of cases where a gun is used for
self-defense,� he explained.
�That work has been out and available for over 15 years, and multiple
studies have shown homes where guns are kept are actually more likely
to be the scene of a homicide or a suicide than homes in exactly the
same neighborhoods without guns.�
He advised those who wished to keep a gun in the home to store it in a
highly secure location that couldn�t be accessed by intruders or
distraught family members.
Hank©
May 19, 2013, 7:49:59 AM5/19/13
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On 5/19/2013 1:31 AM, jps wrote:
> �That work has been out and available for over 15 years, and multiple
Is that a fact? Snerk.
> �That work has been out and available for over 15 years, and multiple
> studies have shown homes where guns are kept are actually more likely
> to be the scene of a homicide or a suicide than homes in exactly the
> same neighborhoods without guns.�
> to be the scene of a homicide or a suicide than homes in exactly the
Is that a fact? Snerk.
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F.O.A.D.
May 19, 2013, 11:24:13 AM5/19/13
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On 5/19/13 11:08 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> the right to preach to others.
> I can make the same case for not owning a car, a swimming pool, a
> plethora of household chemicals, certain pets or even a BOAT.
>
We don't have the right to preach to others? How about all those batshit
crazy right-wing preachers who not only preach to others who really have
no interest in what they are saying, but also try to force others to
abide by their stuporstitions?
Same rules?
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:31:31 -0700, jps <tr...@thedump.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
>> RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
>> protect your family.
>>
>
> If you don't want one, don't buy one but that does not mean you have
>
>>
>> In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
>> RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
>> protect your family.
>>
>
> the right to preach to others.
> I can make the same case for not owning a car, a swimming pool, a
> plethora of household chemicals, certain pets or even a BOAT.
>
We don't have the right to preach to others? How about all those batshit
crazy right-wing preachers who not only preach to others who really have
no interest in what they are saying, but also try to force others to
abide by their stuporstitions?
Same rules?
iBoaterer
May 19, 2013, 12:06:21 PM5/19/13
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In article <vgqhp8pah5fhovk2n...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
and gun nuts?? THEY are the ones preaching.
gfre...@aol.com says...
> >In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
> >RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
> >protect your family.
> >
>
> >RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
> >protect your family.
> >
>
> If you don't want one, don't buy one but that does not mean you have
> the right to preach to others.
> I can make the same case for not owning a car, a swimming pool, a
> plethora of household chemicals, certain pets or even a BOAT.
Preaching?? I take it you haven't been keeping up the rants from the NRA
> the right to preach to others.
> I can make the same case for not owning a car, a swimming pool, a
> plethora of household chemicals, certain pets or even a BOAT.
and gun nuts?? THEY are the ones preaching.
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Eisboch
May 19, 2013, 1:38:59 PM5/19/13
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
news:MPG.2c02c2886...@news.eternal-september.org...
I'll be 64 years old this year. I can't recall any gun manufacturer,
dealer, individual, the NRA .... or *anyone* ever approaching or
encouraging me to buy or own a gun or to contact me directly with any
pro-gun lobbying for any reason.
It was only fairly recently (within the past 3 years) that I became
interested in owning a gun, so I went through the permit process.
Since getting a permit I have become aware of how many normal, well
adjusted people from all walks of life and educational backgrounds
who own guns and are often armed in public via concealed carry.
Nothing new. I just had never had the interest before to be aware of
this.
Seems to me that the "preaching" doesn't come from gun nuts,
manufacturers, dealers or the NRA. It's when others start
"preaching" their anti-gun rhetoric and try to impose restrictions on
something that they probably don't own or want that you start hearing
from the pro gun people and organizations.
Eisboch
May 19, 2013, 1:45:56 PM5/19/13
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I forget where I read this ..... maybe here, but I got a kick out of
it.
If someone recklessly drives a car at 90 miles an hour in a 25 mph
speed zone, is lowering the speed limit to 20 mph a logical solution?
iBoaterer
May 19, 2013, 4:30:20 PM5/19/13
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In article <XdedndQMbKCokwTM...@giganews.com>,
no...@jose.com says...
http://tinyurl.com/a7eevtm
http://tinyurl.com/ael9thr
Let's not forget the gun ad that used Obama's children.
no...@jose.com says...
http://tinyurl.com/ael9thr
Let's not forget the gun ad that used Obama's children.
Boating All Out
May 19, 2013, 9:15:52 PM5/19/13
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> Seems to me that the "preaching" doesn't come from gun nuts,
> manufacturers, dealers or the NRA. It's when others start
> "preaching" their anti-gun rhetoric and try to impose restrictions on
> something that they probably don't own or want that you start hearing
> from the pro gun people and organizations.
The gun industry and its lobbyists work 24/7 to ensure that guns can be
> manufacturers, dealers or the NRA. It's when others start
> "preaching" their anti-gun rhetoric and try to impose restrictions on
> something that they probably don't own or want that you start hearing
> from the pro gun people and organizations.
freely sold to criminals, psych jobs and terrorists. Polling shows even
the majority of gun owners don't want this status quo.
If you think opposition to guns being sold to criminals, psych jobs and
terrorists is "anti-gun rhetoric" and imposing restrictions on selling
guns to to criminals, psych jobs and terrorists is "preaching," and
unreasonable, spit it out.
Besides that, "preaching" has nothing to do with it, with the "anti-
gun" crowd, nor the "pro-gun crowd."
It's better called "bullshitting" from both sides.
It's real easy to spot those who oppose the 2nd Amendment, and those who
want to abuse it.
What you said above sounds like something a gun nut - gfretwell for
example - would say. Since you are a gun owner in a state that has laws
a gun nut would call "violation of the 2nd Amendment," it should be
easy for you to avoid the real "rhetoric" you wrote, and stand up to say
whether you are opposed to those laws or not.
Not hard to just tell the truth - and take a stand if it matters to you.
I don't care much one way or the other....just saying. Of course you
don't have to "care" either. Nothing illegal with just flowing with the
status quo. That's what most folks do. And that's easy to spot too.
But you're in here talking about "imposing restrictions," and equating
gun laws to speed limits, so you've stepped right into the bullshit.
Hank©
May 19, 2013, 9:25:15 PM5/19/13
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Eisboch
May 20, 2013, 12:16:43 AM5/20/13
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message
news:MPG.2c0334644...@news.eternal-september.org...
In article <XdedndQMbKCokwTM...@giganews.com>,
no...@jose.com says...
>
> Seems to me that the "preaching" doesn't come from gun nuts,
> manufacturers, dealers or the NRA. It's when others start
> "preaching" their anti-gun rhetoric and try to impose restrictions
> on
> something that they probably don't own or want that you start
> hearing
> from the pro gun people and organizations.
The gun industry and its lobbyists work 24/7 to ensure that guns can
be
freely sold to criminals, psych jobs and terrorists. Polling shows
even
the majority of gun owners don't want this status quo.
If you think opposition to guns being sold to criminals, psych jobs
and
terrorists is "anti-gun rhetoric" and imposing restrictions on selling
guns to to criminals, psych jobs and terrorists is "preaching," and
unreasonable, spit it out.
Oh, bullshit.
Love it when some people try to twist words and insert their own
meanings to what other people say or think.
I never said I supported or agreed with anything like what you replied
with, so don't take such liberties. All I said is that in almost 64
years no organization or person has ever lobbied or encouraged me to
buy a gun. According to your logic, that must be because I am not a
criminal, a psych job or a terrorist.
iBoaterer
May 20, 2013, 8:22:25 AM5/20/13
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In article <MPG.2c03006af...@news.eternal-september.org>,
iB...@grmail.com says...
Oh, and there's this one!!
http://tinyurl.com/aqyks73
iB...@grmail.com says...
http://tinyurl.com/aqyks73
BAR
May 20, 2013, 10:07:32 AM5/20/13
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In article <0sogp81nv288bj14e...@4ax.com>, tr...@thedump.com says...
> safe, especially if you live in a dangerous neighborhood,? he told the
> Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. ?In a thunderstorm, it is also
> natural to take cover under the nearest tree, but that doesn?t make it
> a good idea.?
>
> ?That work has been out and available for over 15 years, and multiple
> distraught family members.
80,000,000 million gun owners with 300,000,000 million guns and you would think that there
would be millions and millions of people killing themselves or being killed each year.
Why aren't we looking at knife control?
>
> In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
> RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
> protect your family.
>
> ?It?s natural to want to do everything you can to keep you family
> In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
> RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
> protect your family.
>
> safe, especially if you live in a dangerous neighborhood,? he told the
> Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. ?In a thunderstorm, it is also
> natural to take cover under the nearest tree, but that doesn?t make it
> a good idea.?
>
> Kellermann has published several studies on gun ownership, which found
> keeping a firearm in the home increased the odds a family member would
> become a homicide victim. Not surprisingly, gun rights advocates have
> claimed that his research is flawed.
>
> ?The facts are this: While there are occasionally instances where
> Kellermann has published several studies on gun ownership, which found
> keeping a firearm in the home increased the odds a family member would
> become a homicide victim. Not surprisingly, gun rights advocates have
> claimed that his research is flawed.
>
> someone uses a gun for self-defense effectively, the number of times a
> gun in the home is involved in the death of a child, the death of a
> family member, [or] the death of a visiting relative who is depressed
> vastly overwhelms the number of cases where a gun is used for
> self-defense,? he explained.
> gun in the home is involved in the death of a child, the death of a
> family member, [or] the death of a visiting relative who is depressed
> vastly overwhelms the number of cases where a gun is used for
>
> ?That work has been out and available for over 15 years, and multiple
> studies have shown homes where guns are kept are actually more likely
> to be the scene of a homicide or a suicide than homes in exactly the
> same neighborhoods without guns.?
> to be the scene of a homicide or a suicide than homes in exactly the
>
> He advised those who wished to keep a gun in the home to store it in a
> highly secure location that couldn?t be accessed by intruders or
> He advised those who wished to keep a gun in the home to store it in a
> distraught family members.
80,000,000 million gun owners with 300,000,000 million guns and you would think that there
would be millions and millions of people killing themselves or being killed each year.
Why aren't we looking at knife control?
BAR
May 20, 2013, 10:09:52 AM5/20/13
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iBoaterer
May 20, 2013, 10:15:35 AM5/20/13
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BAR
May 20, 2013, 12:06:46 PM5/20/13
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In article <MPG.2c03fa11a...@news.eternal-september.org>, iB...@grmail.com says...
Obama injected his children into public discourse on issues. They are now fair game.
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/03/31/obama-says-he-doesnt-want-his-daughters-
punished-with-a.aspx
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/03/31/obama-says-he-doesnt-want-his-daughters-
punished-with-a.aspx
iBoaterer
May 20, 2013, 2:05:11 PM5/20/13
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John H
May 21, 2013, 11:36:37 AM5/21/13
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>In video uploaded to YouTube on Saturday, Arthur Kellermann of the
>RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
>protect your family.
Here, jps, just for you:
>RAND Corporation said that keeping a gun in your home was a bad way to
>protect your family.
<http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/2013/clerk-halts-robbery,-khou,-houston,-texas-051113,-ktrk,-houston,-texas-051213.aspx?s=&st=&ps=>
John H.
--
Hope you're having a great day!
John H
May 21, 2013, 11:41:04 AM5/21/13
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Maryland has a marked 'DUI Enforcement Zone' on the beltway around DC. I suppose the DUI laws aren't
enforced elsewhere. On Hwy 50, also in Maryland, is a 'Motorcycle Safety Zone'. I suppose they're
fair game elsewhere.
I could definitely see Maryland lowering the speed limit to reduce high speed driving, given the gun
control law they just passed.
John H
May 21, 2013, 11:43:59 AM5/21/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:52 -0500, Boating All Out <boa...@boating.com> wrote:
>The gun industry and its lobbyists work 24/7 to ensure that guns can be
>freely sold to criminals, psych jobs and terrorists.
Pferde apfel. ( http://www.bing.com/translator/ )
>The gun industry and its lobbyists work 24/7 to ensure that guns can be
>freely sold to criminals, psych jobs and terrorists.
The person who got me interested in the NRA was Obama.
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