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BK
Wednesday, November 6th, at 1:30 p.m. Pacific Standard Time (4:30 p.m.
Eastern), the show "Game Time: Black Sports Talk" on Seattle radio stations
KYIZ AM 1620 and KZIZ AM 1560 will feature the topic "Blacks In Motorsports".
The awesome sport of Hydroplane Racing will part of the topic under discussion.
Skip Young will be a guest, which is simulcast on the web at
http://www.ztwins.com .
You can participate too! The call-in number is 206-325-1420 (Seattle),
253-863-1588 (Tacoma).
For more breaking boat racing News, visit : http://www.apba-racing.com
helmetguru
boatk...@aol.comspamthis (BK) wrote in message news:<20021106100936...@mb-mr.aol.com>...
BK
I think boat racing would do well to readily accept all colors into their
sport. This was a discussion regarding how to improve the numbers of one
particular ethnic or minority group that is lacking in motorsports. Nothing
wrong with that.
Ever since OPC lost Art Kennedy, we've never again had another African American
driver. Why is that? From my experience, boat racers are a great group who
seem always happy to welcome all colors and genders: we do still have at least
two other drivers of color in Inboard and Unlimited - and they are among the
best drivers ever. We certainly should set a goal to encourage more -- this
program may have helped to waken some people in the minority who may have been
reluctant to try.
I say to them: Go for it!
helmetguru
saying that everything that doesn't currently have a minority in it is
biased somehow, I completely disagree, this is AMERICA and you can do
whatever you want to a large extent. Art was a great guy and we all
liked him but I dont remember anyone thinking about him as a "black
driver" he was Art...and dont hyphenate, they weren't born in Africa
they are Americans, hyphens are devisive, I dont tell everyone I'm a
German-American, I"m American. If people from any race want to get
involved in racing let them, its' open to anybody, I dont see why we
have to go out of our way to make that point...we should make a point
to encourage EVERYBODY to join the ranks of boat racers. If anything
this program is racist in it's undertones.
boatk...@aol.comspamthis (BK) wrote in message news:<20021107084834...@mb-da.aol.com>...
RaceAOF
racers of color, I somehow overlooked it, or just didn't notice. All boat
racers are orange, aren't they?
Connie
David Woodell
posts in this thread.
BK
different minority group:
This time it will be "Female's in Motorsports".
Buddy -- Do you feel threatened by that too? Or are you going to tell us that
we shouldn't make an attempt to try and get girls involved either?
Calm down. We can all share boat racing.
Phil Mitchell
distance. Dave, I'd run for cover soon.
Actually, I agree with Buddy's comments too. I've never even looked at a
racers skin color.
As someone else said, "They're all ORANGE anyway aren't they?"
I could not have said it better...
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Unca Rik
<< This time it will be "Female's in Motorsports".
Buddy -- Do you feel threatened by that too? Or are you going to tell us that
we shouldn't make an attempt to try and get girls involved either? >>
Val:
Read Buddy's post again. I read nothing in there indicating he feels
threatened. I agree with his point. I see a tremendous point in getting new
members. I don't care if they are green or whether they have inside or outside
plumbing. Hell, we even welcome those with inside motors.
True, we don't have blacks currently racing in this region but I don't think
that makes us racist. We have about 10 girls and women racing. The male drivers
have found that the girls don't need the guys to cut them any slack, although
the girls will take advantage of it if they do.
Buddy's right! We are all Americans and we are all racers.
<< Calm down. We can all share boat racing. >>
It's not a matter of sharing anything. We are excluding no one.
RW
BK
that makes us racist. >>>
Of course it doesn't.
>>>>We have about 10 girls and women racing. The male drivers
>have found that the girls don't need the guys to cut them any slack, although
>the girls will take advantage of it if they do. >>>
Well, I would hope not. I can tell you Rick, that the LAST thing a girl racer
would ever want is for a male competitor to "cut them some slack". All the girl
racers I know abhor special treatment.
But I'm glad you have such a large number of girls racing in your region.
Fantastic. Familiarity does encourage more girls to join. Being "different" and
in a minority often causes intimidation.
I know of entire boat racing clubs that have only male drivers. Not that there
are no women members who want to race --- but because they feel intimidated to
be the ONLY female driver.
The same thing happens with people of different races trying to enter a sport
dominated by another. One way to get them to join is to first acknowledge that
they are totally welcome -- another way is to let them know that someone "just
like them" is already playing. (That's what yesterday's program was about)
<<<<Read Buddy's post again. I read nothing in there indicating he feels
threatened. >>>>
I refer to his post where he told me:
"You don't hyphenate "African-American, they were born in America - not
Africa"
If he's not threatened by it, then he shouldnt be upset by any descriptive
terms used . I know I'm not.
The way I feel is that I can call myself anything I want - and so can anyone
else: Irish-American, Native-Arizonan, Indiana-Transplant, West-Coaster,
Native-American, Yankee, Rebel, etc. -
I feel Buddy is out of bounds telling anyone they cannot use those terms to
describe themselves - Maybe he forgets that in America we have freedom to be
able to say what is in our hearts.
We are all Americans.
BK
Actually, none of this is about whether *you* notice a person's skin or gender.
It's about how THAT person feels.
Think about being the only white guy being transfered to an black school? They
may never say anything about *your* color, but you yourself would certainly
sense it. Anyone would.
It's natural - if you see a group of strangers, all of one race, class or
gender - unlike your own - participating in some sport -- the odds are that you
will probably refrain from joining them -- UNLESS -- you get a personal invite.
Last year, my son signed up for gymnastics...but when he saw the gynasium was
all girls - no boys - he raced for the exit door. Why was he uncomfortable?
Because he wanted familiarity -- if one other person of his gender was in the
class, then I know he wouldn't have felt so intimidated, and might have stuck
around.
What is so WRONG about sending an invite to a minority (gender, class, race,
etc) to come join the fun?
Its no secret that all motorsports are currently dominated by white males. You
know it. I know it. I personally feel if someone wants to break the
gender/race gap, there should never be any hesitation. As was the case when
Art was still living and racing tunnel boats with us, he helped create a more
diverse 'family' which could have opened doors for others. But times were
different, and I don't recall anyone ever trying.
Using the talk show yesterday, Unlimited Hydroplane driver Harold Mills wants
to help encourage more minorities like himself toward motorsports -- he's
tapping a group that rarely is involved.
Nika is doing the same thing with racerchicks.com. If you get a chance, read
her latest article: "Why Race?"
http://www.racerchicks.com/Chick_Pick/CP_Nika_whyrace.html
It will give you a sense of what it's like to be a minority trying to compete
in motorsports.
helmetguru
they turn to villification or condescention, you must be a democrat.
What do girls have to do with race? Women are half the population, is
half a minority? Women do race but it's a male dominated sport, not a
WHITE MALE dominated sport, a MALE dominated sport, it's not by
design, it just worked out that way. i am very calm. we should make
an attempt to get everybody involved in racing, target no one
specifically. maybe minorities dont want to race boats, maybe they
dont like boat racing, maybe they like football and basketball, ever
thought of that? if they wanted to do it then they would.
if someone has a hang up about "blending" into a group then no amount
of programs or incentives will help them out, and why should it? seems
to me we've had thirty plus years of affirmative action and now
reparations is the big thing, when does the evil blue eyed devil have
to stop kissing ass? if you want to be a racer, buy a boat and race,
if you dont like being around a bunch of white guys that race then you
have issues, not them.
i'm pretty tired of everybody trying to INJECT race into everything,
now johnny cochran is suing the NFL because there's not enough black
coaches, what about the fact that there isn't one white tailback in
the league. Is Robert Shapiro suing over that? Maybe there aren't
enough qualified black coaches? Are there any whites in the NAACP?
Does the NAACP recruit whites for diversity? Seems to me thinking
like yours val is screwing up the country and dividing us all, and
it's pretty sad and weak.
say no to val's hyphenated affirmative action in boat racing. i dont
want to be a white-boat-racer.
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Ron Hill
1. In an electronic age, I don't see why insurance has to be sold "Sun up to
Sun down"... It seems to me it could be sold per hour....and Jake probably
knows if this is true.. Reason tells me, that insurance for a half mile
dirt track, must be cheaper than the 24 Hours of Daytona... The daily
sales, is more of a "Cash Cow", I believe.
2. Having snooped at almost every new outboard, I requested, Mr. Dawe, in
writing, to allow my son, Broc Hill, to run an unrestricted 15 HP, four
stroke, 2006 motor, in J as a local class for Region 11 and 12. From what I
heard back, this idea was never discussed.
It sure seems to me with all these new engines coming for 2006, that some
engines could be "Dovetailed" in exsisting classes, at least on a local
level to see what happens.
3. Many in California felt, that Mod C/Formula 50 could have "merged" with
45, but no one ever set out to make rules that would make them all run
close. Dropping Formual 50 and mod C was the answer to dropping numbers, so
Mod C's and Formual guys (Some) went away...I Checked the price, retail, for
a 50 HP Yamaha prop shaft, it was $93....retail, What does a 15 year old 45
prop shaft cost???(If Jake continues to make them...)...At Parker one year,
we ran Mod C, 45 and Formula 50 together...they were close, without anyone
trying to equalize them...
4. I agree with whoever said it, but trying to bring OLD STUFF
back....won't work...I've lost my ass over the years trying to make old
props....New props for new stuff is what sells.
5. It seems that DMH and EMH have signs of growth, maybe this should be
"PUSHED" as the "Motor Head" classes. But DSR and DSH, maybe slowing them
down with a resrtictor...or adding weight. At one time, DSR was heavy as
hell..when they lightened the weight only a few could drive them...Slow the
DSH down by ading weight,and removable pickle forks...Maybe, a 60 HP Yamaha
4 stroke could be a "D"...
6. Seems to me, that STOCK OUTBOARDING is a long way from STOCK PRODUCTION
motors. BUT, combining motors, seem to end up with is a 102 on a hydro and
302 on a runabout....at least yoiu don't have to switch back and
forth...frpm runabout to hydro..
7. An unrestriced 25 HP Yamaha out of the box 2006, on a hydro, with some
work could run with an "A" or run as an "A"...Mercury, Tohatsu, Suzuki,
Yamaha, make 2006 25 HP....
Do we want growth, or do we want somebody to beat???
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Unca Rik
Buddy:
Actually there are, or at least were. My parents were both card carrying
members.
RW
helmetguru
about choice not being recruited into something just so the
"something" can continue to exist uninterrupted..
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