Remember when....
jaybird
Remember when you could go to RBP and read funny stories from other
paddlers?
Remember when you could go to RBP might find something for sale you
were looking for?
Remember when you could go to RBP and swap put in and take out info as
well as water levels?
Remember when you could go to RBP and find intelligent comments about
paddling?
Remember when you could go to RBP and read about what other paddlers
were doing in the paddling world, like Dancewater, Mothra, and others?
Those were the days.
I paddle 65-70 days a year now and technique and good sense have kept
me from swimming. I am a member of the ACA and the AWA but I never
remember accepting any money from them. I follow their paddling
guidelines as a demonstration of responsible good sense.
People have the right to paddle the boat of their choice, in the
manner they wish, naked if they so choose. That is an expression of
part of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I have never seen a boat or gear manufacturer attack paddlers for not
purchasing their products. I have never seen a reputable supplier of
paddling gear insult and degrade other paddlers for choosing to
purchase alternate equipment. I have never seen an outfitter display
what polite society would describe as irrational behaviour because
they chose to be outfitted by someone else.
The latest stream of garbage about sponsons is like selling ice cubes
to Eskimos. Don't want 'em, don't need 'em. And there were 39,800
traffic-related fatalities in the U.S. last year, not the twisted data
spewed just recently. And they were happy with only the 39,800
fatalities because it was an 8% improvement over 2007. We keep
driving cars, and we don't buy sponsons. Obviously it isn't very busy
in sponson world because there is lots of time to cut and paste the
same old crap.
I promised myself I would ignore the continued spew of garbage, but my
wife told me to take the trash out....
Jay Hanks, President, Lansing Oar and Paddle Club
"all the rivers run to the ocean, and yet the ocean is not filled":
ECC 1:7
watersprite
> Remember when you could go to RBP and...
Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
if something interesting is happening.
Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By
the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss
those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.
--
Melissa
Wilko
Yes, as a 60's singer put it: "Those were the days my friend, we thought
they'd never end...."
RBP was probably in its heighday in 1998. It rapidly went down the hill
after that. I'm glad to have tasted a bit of what it was like, with it
being more like a big family than a simple text based usenet group.
As for Ken Strickland, I think that he posted one or two more stories on
Boatertalk since he left RBP. Maybe they are in the Ken Strickland
collection of Pete Staehling's website?
--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t>nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
edonr...@aol.com
It is a shame that such a useful medium as Google Groups gets so badly
damaged by spam, this is what it is, just spam. Rec Sport Rowing gets
it's fair share of spam too but it's the more traditional viagra /
insurance / job offer type stuff. Still annoying but at least there
are still excellent posts on it. There are people that I would
describe as "passionate" but as a rule there aren't people just out to
spoil the function of the group.
I take it there is no moderator that can deal with this issue.
Roger
www.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats.
TimIngram
Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the
Darlington School boys and over 200 other American children died in
terror and agony, being denied the proven means to get out of the
water and stay out, to live, like any two ten year old girls with 50
cent sponsons, enabling anyone without expensive and fraudulent
American Canoe Association instruction to get out of the deadly water
in 5 seconds: http://www.sponsonguy.com
Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they
down. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to shore: 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.
Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes
and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are
deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous
as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with
sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann
1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and
kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on
rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram
experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful,
even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for
the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social
psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of
university labs.
Tim Ingram
TimIngram
wrote:
Rec.Boats Paddle posters are a cult; while not denying that the
TimIngram
>
> - Show quoted text -
TimIngram
Wilko
Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
"medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
are from way before Google Groups existed.
Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post
messages to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real
moderator on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became
the barren wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer
who has damaged this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.
Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
itself is basically dead.
Cricket
"Wilko" <loo...@my.sig> wrote in message
news:4acb64aa$0$11103$6d5e...@onsnet.xlned.com...
<snip>
> Actually, Roger, there is no such thing as a Google groups medium. There
> is usenet, which has been around for several decades, and which is the
> "medium" that rec.boats.paddle is a part of, and then there is a website
> called Google.groups, that just happens to have been in existence for a
> couple of years, which catalogs some of the usenet newsgroups and stores
> the messages on them. Some of those newsgroups have stored messages that
> are from way before Google Groups existed.
>
> Although Google Groups does allow you a graphic interface to post messages
> to usenet, it's not the same as usenet itself. There is no real moderator
> on RBP, which is one of the main reasons who the group became the barren
> wasteland that it is now. As for this braindamaged spammer who has damaged
> this group beyond repair, he now has no audience left here.
>
> Even though several old-time RBP'ers still peek from time to time to see
> who will finally be the one to turn out the light, the RBP newsgroup
> itself is basically dead.
>
> --
> Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t>nl
> Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
> ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
> http://kayaker.nl/
Oh, I don't know - that it's damaged beyond repair that is. Block him and
ignore him works. He actually stirs up some life around here now and again.
Spammers that don't swap names every five seconds are easy to ignore - I
think the main attrition issue is other, fancier websites that folks have
gravitated to. I, living in the back of the beyond (connecting at 26.4K on
a good day), don't like fancy graphics et al, so I like it here. Some folks
prefer flash, so they go where they can get it.
Of course, in the summer I work too much to paddle, and in the winter - not
around here am I getting on the water! So few trip reports to make as a
contribution, but I check the group every day. Ingram is an annoyance, but
I don't think he's important enough to be doing real damage. Easy enough to
block him, and/or block any threads started by him.
Cricket
jaybird
purchase (or not purchase) whatever they wish. He would prefer to
take away our freedoms to live (and die) as we choose. Therefore, I
will never show him the secret handshake to get into our cult
meetings.
The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the
kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult
member.
Everybodys going to die sometime. That's a fact.
"So many believe that it is love that grows. but it is the knowing
that grows and love simply expands to contain it. Love is just the
skin of knowing". --William P. Young
Grace and peace.
jaybird
Wilko
Oh, my remark about RBP being damaged beyond repair is not about how to
deal with Spamsonboy, but about what is left of this newsgroup after the
trolls such as burntboy and spamsonboy scared most folks away. The split
into RBP-Touring and RBP-Whitewater didn't help either. Then there is
the ever increasing localisation of paddlers, that means that every
corner of this globe starts to get its own forum that caters almost
exclusively to the locals, and the international melange that was RBP
has suddenly lost much of its appeal to the newer generations of paddlers.
All of that made a once thriving and vibrant community scatter, mostly
to moderated forums where spammers and trolls have a harder time messing
up the experience for everyone else. So although you might see some life
left in this smoking carcass, it's no longer a community that has enough
life and attraction in it to keep a core of regulars active on it. I
have come to the conclusion that its been wonderful to have been a part
of RBP during its heaghdays, but it's simply never going to be more than
a shadow of its former self.
John Kuthe
> Cricket wrote:
> > "Wilko" <look...@my.sig> wrote in message
You forgot one very important factor Wilko. The up and coming advent
of the WWW! Just beginning circa 1992 or so, and at that time RBP was
thriving (I'd imagine, I didn't frequent RBP until about 1994, as I
recall.) But with the glorious graphic presentation of the WWW, the
strictly black and white and grapc-less ASCII world of Usenet and RBP
fell quickly by the wayside as more and more users left ASCII-land for
the HTML world of The Web, and web-based message boards.
But you and I, and a few other select diehards are still here! :-)
SponsonBoy unfortunately being one. :-(
John Kuthe...
TimIngram
The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
that they
deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200
American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror,
knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad,
and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but
rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at
Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began
the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have
saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10
year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com
But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to
save their lives:
TimIngram
> Cricket wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded as expected to the facts
TimIngram
TimIngram
> "Wilko" <look...@my.sig> wrote in message
TimIngram
John Kuthe
I still say someone should disable "Sponson Boy's" ability to copy/
paste!
John Kuthe...
TimIngram
The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded within the last 2 days as
expected to the facts that they deliberately leave American children
in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington
school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out
of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.)
They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't
care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest
of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology
experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5
seconds
with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com
But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts
surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the
most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to
murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means
to
save their lives, instead promoting expensive, fraudulent and
profitable American Canoe Association instruction that is their
"true"
spam:
Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly
paddling
down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until
they
drown. And heart attacks while out of the water. The Darlington
school
boys were not trapped and drowned under
any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died
because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and
stay out, and paddle to shore: 50 cent, 5 second sponsons.
Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe
rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is
pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.)
state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing"
canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency
sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters
will sometimes state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to
jaybird
perceived "good behaviour" while in therapy. Clearly his psychiatrist
is not reviewing his spam as he is obsessing about imagined
culpabilities, and projecting them on others in a way that is
detrimental to his own mental state.
Poor sick puppy...
puke
puke
puke
jaybird
TimIngram
The "jaybird" posted in this thread previously: "The fact that he cut
and pasted a reply identically three times is the kind of gerbil
treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult member.
Everybodys going to die sometime. That's a fact...
Grace and peace.
jaybird
Apparently this "killer Christian" approves the murders of over 200
American children and over 1,500 adults (US Coast Guard) because
"Everybodys (sic) going to die sometime." Osama bin Laden could not
improve on the sheer numbers of cruel and agonizing American deaths,
nor Al Queda, nor Taliban. "Jaybird" is proud of his kills here,
including the 2 Darlington school boys. It's a deadly cult.
The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded within the last 4 days as
Chicago Paddling-Fishing
Sad to say the sp*ns**n boi makes me miss Scott Weiser... At least Scott
actually read and replied to posts instead of robotic replies...
--
John Nelson
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page
http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org
(A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)
Cricket
"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <j...@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:hb2bln$her$3...@remote5bge0.ripco.com...
> watersprite <willkayakforf...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>Hello Jay, you wrote:
>
>>> Remember when you could go to RBP and...
>
>>Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
>>away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
>>symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
>>if something interesting is happening.
>
>>Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
>>more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
>>(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By
>>the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss
>>those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.
>
> Sad to say the sp*ns**n boi makes me miss Scott Weiser... At least Scott
> actually read and replied to posts instead of robotic replies...
>
> --
> John Nelson
?? I remember the name, but not the complaint...
Cricket
TimIngram
> watersprite <willkayakforfoodREMOVE_T...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >Hello Jay, you wrote:
> >> Remember when you could go to RBP and...
> >Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
> >away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
> >symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
> >if something interesting is happening.
> >Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
> >more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
> >(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By
> >the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss
> >those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.
>
> Sad to say the sp*ns**n boi makes me miss Scott Weiser... At least Scott
> actually read and replied to posts instead of robotic replies...
>
> --
> John Nelson
> Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page
> http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org
> (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)
-
> I just find it absolutely astonishing that Tim, a member of RBP, can
> believe that RBP has anything to do with the accidental deaths of
> those teenagers. Since Tim is a member of the group he accuses, he is
> continually accusing himself. Therefore, Tim is guilty of his own
> accusations. That is why everyone complains about his cut and paste
> puke because he is in a "did not - did to" infantile arguement.
> I don't care if they used sponsons on the Mayflower, I wouldn't go out
> paddling when small craft warnings were posted. The Darlington boys
> died because they had no business being out there during those
> conditions. Tim does not grasp the concept of personal
> responsibility.
> So I know he is going to puke his garbage over and over and over but I
> feel I have the right to point out the facts when the lunatic is out
> of the asylum. It's not like there is anything else to do on RBP and
> Tim would puke his garbage on anything anyone says anyway. The
> alternative is just pack up and leave like the last guy.
> Rich
Dear Rich:
You are an American apparently molded in the fashion of Sarah Palin,
McCain, Limbaugh, or any of the GOP laughingstocks. You probably want
to deny health care to American children because you believe it is
"God's will that they should suffer". Most Americans are not as
stupid
as you. Most Americans believe they all deserve health care and they
all deserve the safest canoes and kayaks, cars, bicycles etc. Most
Americans believe canoes and kayaks without any form of self-rescue
should not be used. Any canoe or kayak, Rich, whether 100 feet from
shore, or in the Gulf of Mexico is deadly: Deadly due to NO canoe and
kayak rescue capability.
You, Rich, and the crazy killers posting today apparently want canoes
and kayaks to be without rescue capability in a farm pond or on open
waters where canoes and kayaks are normally paddled, and fast-rising
winds and waves normally occur without warning. If you were honest
you
would simply state no schools should use canoes and kayaks without
fool-proof 5 second rescue capability on http://www.sponsonguy.com
Or perhaps you think these children deserve to die?
Read again care fully, (perhaps you did not understand fully.):
Thanks Rich:
Of course the 2 dead Darlington school boys could have gotten out of
the water in 5 seconds with 50 cent foam sponsons, and stayed out,
even rescued other victims from the water, like the canoe and kayaks
crossing both Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, like the 10 year old girls
on http://www.sponsonguy.com
But rec.boats.paddle posters and the American Canoe Association have
murdered over 1,500 Americans in Canoes and Kayaks (US Coast Guard
BARD), including over 200 American children. America needs democracy,
health care, law, order and justice. Send the criminals to paddle
around Guantanamo Bay. They are the real terrorists on American soil;
who make canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, with no means to
get out of the water, swimming pool or Gulf of Mexico or farm pond!
Tim
TimIngram
> >Hello Jay, you wrote:
> >> Remember when you could go to RBP and...
> >Yes, I remember, and I'm sad to see how RBP has pretty much faded
> >away. As the few of us reading this know, some of us do still show
> >symptoms of terminal optimism and pop in now and again; just to see
> >if something interesting is happening.
> >Aside from the very occasional flame war, RBP was always one of the
> >more enjoyable and informative paddling discussion groups around
> >(amongst newsgroups, email lists, and website message boards). By
> >the way, has anyone seen any new stories from Ken Strickland? I miss
> >those too, and I wonder how he's doing, and what he's up to.
>
> Sad to say the sp*ns**n boi makes me miss Scott Weiser... At least Scott
> actually read and replied to posts instead of robotic replies...
>
> --
> John Nelson
> Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page
> http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org
> (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)
American Lives are normally valued, American school children are
normally protected from painful and violent deaths. However,
according
to the U.S. Coast Guard Boating Accident Report Database, over 200
American children have been deliberately killed, murdered, in canoes
and kayaks; and well over 1,500 adult Americans similarly murdered,
by
denying them any means to get out of the water. The U.S. Coast Guard
in fact produduced a $26,000 "study" at my request, (see the Federal
Register) ; a study that in fact was a "poll" of persons willing to
lie to murder fellow citizens.
U.S. Coast Guard personnel at the beginning of the "study" freely
admitted that they were affected by political lobbying in the past,
trying to bring some kind of sponson-like invention to easily prevent
most canoe and kayak deaths and comply with federal law, "The Level
Flotation Standard":
USCG Level Flotation Standard 33 CFR 183. Issued April 18, 1977;
Effective August 1, 1978 "Establishes level flotation standards on
rowboats and outboard boats less than 20 feet in length, the boats
most often involved in swamping and capsizing accidents, so that the
boat will float level when swamped and provide a safe platform until
rescue."
Currently canoes and kayaks enjoy a safety exemption from this law,
to
murder Americans. The Coast Guard personnel otherwise would have lost
their jobs to these lobby groups in the Bush Cheney administration.
At
least both of my U.S. Sponson patents were shown, if not explained in
this USCG "study/poll". Sponsons are the only means to stabilize
canoes and kayaks in emergencies to get out of the water in 5
seconds,
as shown on http://www.sponsonguy.com
Other details are available at http://www.canoekayaksafety.com or in
my old book "Canoe and Kayak Scam Kills 1000 Americans". (Available
on
Amazon.com and elsewhere.) The ACA letter to the Attorney General of
Florida is there.
The US Coast Guard report 071-01 reveals: "Canoes and kayaks have by
far the highest fatality rates per million hours of exposure (.42) as
any other boat type".
"A total of 105 canoeists and kayakers drowned in 1998. Canoes and
kayaks have the highest fatality rate of all boat types ñ double the
rate of personal watercraft and 4 times higher than open
motorboats." (Before the Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime
Transportation of the U.S. House of Representatives, May 15, 2001,
BOAT/U.S.)
Canoes and Kayaks are a very tiny but very deadly industry. National
Marine Manufacturers Association: "Canoes and kayaks are almost 15 %
of all US Boating Fatalites, but only 3.5 % of all boating
participants. (Actually much less than 3.5 % since this figure
includes inflatables, dinghies, rowboats, etc.)"
All police and other rescue personnel can see this. A few "expert"
kayakers and canoeists do contend that they can always "roll up";
(but
they are contradicted by the majority of authors who recommend re-
enter rolls, since rolls fail so often, as evidenced by the Greenland
Championships, Sea Kayaker, Feb. 2001, p.41.) Or they try to perform
similar, difficult techniques; and insist that the general public
should too. Some deliberately lie, to say that narrower kayaks are
more stable than kayaks with Sponsons; although only wide kayaks and
canoes with sponsons or equivalent beam stability, have crossed both
Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. This is an apparent attempt to make
kayaks as unstable as possible to sell fraudulent instruction.
The murderous American Canoe Association "bait and switch" fraud
technique is shown in the minutes of the USCG National Boating Safety
Advisory Council, Sheraton Inner Harbor Hotel Baltimore, Maryland, 22
- 23 April 2002. The ACA (Mr. Yeager), says Sponsons are for
whitewater use. This is a contradiction of the ACA letter to the
Attorney General of Florida the previous year, that clearly states
any
kind of Sponson is a non-whitewater device!
The monetary value of deadly instruction is many times the profit of
one canoe or kayak sale.
Many honest authors, magazines and instructors proclaimed the
lifesaving value of sponsons immediately, but later were threatened
with economic boycott by the cult. This is similar to Coal Companies
poisoning thousands of Americans in Kentucky, Tennessee and West
Virginia: destroying mountain tops, water supplies and towns.
See some of the good guys:
" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)
"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)
"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation
Kayaks cannot even be pumped out! let alone canoes:
Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged:
"...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the
sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while
pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29)
"The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas
is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between
the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you
can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27,
Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.)
Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed,
20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if
you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires
unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend
some distance underneath the PFD. " Paddlefloats alone have murdered
hundreds of victims.
Here is the plan, from the American Canoe Association (a tiny group
of criminals), to make money from as many dead Americans as
possible:
"All national paddlesports organizations combined comprise just one
percent of committed users and a tenth-percent of the total user
group...To represent paddlers to regulatory agencies with legitimacy,
an organization should represent at least 10 percent of the sport's
committed users...The ACA is the paddlesport organization best
placed ...to protect paddlers from paddlecraft registration, required
education and mandated PFD use... protecting our sport from needless
government regulation." (Paddler, Sept./Oct., 2003, p.84)
Some rec.boats.paddle posters actually have encouraged friends and
relatives to paddle down rivers into extreme danger. (Sponsons are
NOT
a safety device to permit whitewater death scams; although all
sponsoned canoes and kayaks derive emergency stability and safety
from
sponsons.) Normally whitewater deaths are not due to not being unable
to get out of the water; the shore is usually nearby. Deliberate
paddling down rivers into strainers and over waterfalls, as
recommended by the ACA and some Rec.Boats.Paddle posters, will
certainly kill. After all this is a cult.
Stay tuned.
Tim
Mothra
It's like old home week. Am I in a time warp? Whew. . . .
I'm revising my memoir of the Scott Time (which is how Ken Strickland
referred to the heyday of rbp) and coming on here because everything
is recorded here. Makes writing a memoir much easier, and Oprah
doesn't have to worry about the story being faked!
Anyhow, you're in the book, of course, dear Wilko. I can shoot you a
copy if you care to read it, but I'm doing a major, major revision
(focusing on my sister's fatal illness and the choice she made to
forgo a heart-lung transplant). But the whole thing starts in the
Scott Time.
Anyhow, Timmy, thanks for the chuckle.
Anyone think Timmy and BurntNjall might be one and the same?
Wilko
> Wilko - Kuthe - Jaybird
>
> It's like old home week. Am I in a time warp? Whew. . . .
<big grin>
Welcome back, Mothra!
> I'm revising my memoir of the Scott Time (which is how Ken Strickland
> referred to the heyday of rbp) and coming on here because everything
> is recorded here. Makes writing a memoir much easier, and Oprah
> doesn't have to worry about the story being faked!
Yeah, I think Ken got it right (again :-) ) with that expression.
> Anyhow, you're in the book, of course, dear Wilko. I can shoot you a
> copy if you care to read it, but I'm doing a major, major revision
> (focusing on my sister's fatal illness and the choice she made to
> forgo a heart-lung transplant). But the whole thing starts in the
> Scott Time.
I look forward to reading it, Kathy! Just finished college (again :-) ),
so in between job-hunting I have plenty of time to read! :-)
> Anyhow, Timmy, thanks for the chuckle.
>
> Anyone think Timmy and BurntNjall might be one and the same?
Nah, I think that compared to the Spamsonman, BurntNjall was too
coherent. He knew how to really stick a knife in and twist it when he
wanted to cause mayhem, unlike Timmy, who seems to stumble over his own
(s?)words instead of causing real damage.