Gasahol Blues
sherwin dubren
stroke Ymmaha T9.9 running. Even with adding preservatives to
the gas tank, replacing the fuel delivery system, and adding
a 19 micron filter inline with the gas feed, the tiny jets on
this engine occasionally block up. Nothing helps short of tearing
down the carb to clean them. Most of the modern gas engines have
these small jets that continually block up. Gasahol is mostly to
blame either because it dissolves any loose dirt in your system
or breaks down into something that eventually blocks the carbs.
Now we have an increase of alcohol being pushed by our farmers
to 15 per cent instead of the current 10 percent. This is sure
to make the problem worse. The engine manufacturer's have not
come up with a really good solution. Just band-aid fixes like
adding inline filters and preservatives to the gas. This is
taking all the fun out of boating and can even be a safety issue.
Sherwin
Steve Lusardi
and drain the carb before letting it stand or suffer the consequences. It's a pain, but it only takes a few minutes.
Steve
"sherwin dubren" <sher...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:i2m0v7$vk2$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Wayne.B
>I don't run any sort of inline filter, but if you are having trouble,
>due to rust or bad gas, I would suggest that 19 micron is pretty
>coarse as your defense. I would have a 10 as my coarse filter and a 2
>micron filter between that and the engine.
The filter is good advice. We were having problems with our 4 stroke
Honda dinghy engine until I added an external filter. Since adding
the filter, no problems. When I dump out the filter after changing
the element, there is always a fair amount of crud and water.
jayhearts
QUESTION / SURVEY (NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT)
I work at a major marine supplies retailer, and we are featuring
"Star-Tron" fuel additive. It claims to resolve ethanol problems as
well as "old" gas. The deisel version claims to reduce biological
growth in the tank. As we are serious boaters, I want to be as honest
and helpful as possible. When I point out the product, many customers
tell me they use and like it. Other staff boaters tell me the same. I
am interested in your input on this product, good or bad. Please let
me know if you use the gas or deisel form, and how long you have used
it. Have you noticed a difference? Good or bad? any anecdotes are
welcome.
Fair winds and good gas,
Jayhearts
Gordon
My neighbor, the fuel polisher, is getting more and more calls to
suck out old gasohol and dispose of it. Makin money!
BTW, the problem in the 4 stroke little engines is an epa deal. There
is a hidden adjustment on most.
On the Hondas, there is an adjuster on the side of the carb that is
limited by a little cap. Use a little torch to heat the solder holding
the cap on. With the cap off, a little extra turn and the engine will
run great.
The Yam probably has a cover over the adjuster as I had on a little
road bike.
G
Richard Casady
<sher...@comcast.net> wrote:
>For years now, I have been fighting the problems keeping my 4
>stroke Ymmaha T9.9 running. Even with adding preservatives to
>the gas tank, replacing the fuel delivery system, and adding
>a 19 micron filter inline with the gas feed, the tiny jets on
>this engine occasionally block up.
Shit goes through the filter and plugs things. Getting a finer grain
filter is a no brainer.
>Nothing helps short of tearin down the carb to clean them. Most of the modern gas engines have
>these small jets that continually block up.
If you quit putting known dirty gas in your equipment that will help.
>Gasahol is mostly to
>blame either because it dissolves any loose dirt in your system
>or breaks down into something that eventually blocks the carbs.
>
>Now we have an increase of alcohol being pushed by our farmers
>to 15 per cent instead of the current 10 percent. This is sure
>to make the problem worse. The engine manufacturer's have not
>come up with a really good solution. Just band-aid fixes like
>adding inline filters and preservatives to the gas. This is
>taking all the fun out of boating and can even be a safety issue.
It is not all that difficult to remove alcohol from gasoline. Just add
maybe 20% waterand shake well. Then pour off the upper gasoline layer
and discard the lower
water layer that has all the alcohol in it. Get the local fuel dealer
to drop off a 300 gallon barrel. You can add the water and stir with
compressed air, then drain the water.
Casady
Wayne.B
<jayhea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>QUESTION / SURVEY (NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT)
> I work at a major marine supplies retailer, and we are featuring
>"Star-Tron" fuel additive. It claims to resolve ethanol problems as
>well as "old" gas. The deisel version claims to reduce biological
>growth in the tank. As we are serious boaters, I want to be as honest
>and helpful as possible. When I point out the product, many customers
>tell me they use and like it. Other staff boaters tell me the same. I
>am interested in your input on this product, good or bad. Please let
>me know if you use the gas or deisel form, and how long you have used
>it. Have you noticed a difference? Good or bad? any anecdotes are
>welcome.
>
>Fair winds and good gas,
>Jayhearts
Your post sounds suspiciously self serving but I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt. A professional fuel polisher with a good
reputation told me that the diesel product he prefers is Pri-D. He
also said that Biobor is effective but that Pri-D creates smaller
"clumps" when the bacteria precipitate out. Smaller clumps are
desirable because they are less likely to accumulate in the bottom of
the tank and clog the fuel feed.
For gasoline Sta-Bil seems to be the product of choice among people
that I know. I've also used it myself with good results.
Mark Borgerson
richar...@earthlink.net says...
Mark Borgerson
You
sherwin dubren <sher...@comcast.net> wrote:
> and adding
> a 19 micron filter inline with the gas feed
Geez Louise, what are you trying to filter out, Wood chips, or sand?
Get yourself a Racor Water Separator/Filter that has a, not larger than
2 Micron spec and be done with the whole problem.
cavelamb
I also use Sta-Bil - marine formula.
Our marina still has non-alcohol contaminated fuel at the gas pump.
But I sometimes do bring in auto gas, and other marinas - who knows?
So far, no problems, though.
--
Richard Lamb
Frogwatch
Get ready for this problem to get much worse and to waste far more oil
than it saves. Marinas are soon not going to be able to get ethanol
free fuels and the ethanol content is due to increase. The economic
cost of ethanol in fuel runs into the tens of billions each year with
as much fuel dumped due to being contaminated with water as leaked
during the gulf oil spill. The ethanol in fuel is one of the
stupidest things ever to be pushed by enviro types and had done more
damage to the environment than the gulf oil spill.
Consider the millions of people with small gas engines who when
finding the fuel is bad simply dump it on the ground.Consider millions
of boaters who find they have an entire fuel tank with contaminated
fuel simply dump it because there is no good way to dispose of it.
The damage done by the use of such fuel is greater than anything BP
could have done.
I am Tosk
cave...@earthlink.net says...
Is this "Cave Lamb Himself" ???
--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!
Richard Casady
<mborg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It is not all that difficult to remove alcohol from gasoline. Just add
>> maybe 20% waterand shake well. Then pour off the upper gasoline layer
>> and discard the lower
>> water layer that has all the alcohol in it. Get the local fuel dealer
>> to drop off a 300 gallon barrel. You can add the water and stir with
>> compressed air, then drain the water.
>>
>Will that change the effective octane rating of the remaining gasoline?
Ethanol, and the methanol my car uses, propane, acetone, toluene they
all rate 100 octane. If you take it out it will lower the octane three
points or so to the level you have with the upblended gas sold as
such.
Casady
Jack
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts
>
I use the regular Sta-Bil around the house, and the Marine Sta-Bil on
the boat with every tank at the maintenance dose. It doesn't get
stored long enough in "winter" to worry about it. Never had an issue.
Larry
failure. I have been using this in my boat and ATV for years will good
results:
http://www.seafoamsales.com/motor-treatment.html
It's a lot cheaper than Yamaha's version of the same product.
cavelamb
No, that's the other one...
--
Richard Lamb
Mark Borgerson
richar...@earthlink.net says...
With knock detection and flexible spark timing it shouldn't be a
problem. An older engine that needs premium fuel might have
some problems.
Mark Borgerson
Harry?
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That stuff has a good reputation but After putting two cans of the stuff
through the fuel system on my bike I still had to have the carbs cleaned.
--
Me
Harry?
whyb...@somewhere.com says...
Spoofer, are you saying that your year old motorcycle has had to have
carb work on it already?
Harry ?
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That was my imaginary bike. My real bike is 15 years old. Cleaning the carbs
was part of the problem. A collapsed vacuum hose and a rotted diaphragm was
the rest of the problem.
--
Me
Larry
>
> A highly regarded product.
>
So far, so good in the ATV. That see's the least amount of hours. I
only use it to move by boat around my yard and out to the street. The
area I store it has a septic tank and my 5000# plus SUV would find the
bottom of that fast and kill WAFA and Dummy in the process.
YukonBound
"Larry" <Lar...@18gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So far, so good in the ATV. That see's the least amount of hours. I only
> use it to move by boat around my yard and out to the street. The area I
> store it has a septic tank and my 5000# plus SUV would find the bottom of
> that fast and kill WAFA and Dummy in the process.
Terrible way to disrespect your family. Have you no class at all?
Harry?
whi...@ns.sympatico.ca says...
Little buddy, I've got to tell you, it's looking like you have an
infatuation with Larry.
YukonBound
"Harry?" <whyb...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Just the reverse Doper...... I'm constantly fending off his advances.
Harry
You're just encouraging him, Don.
Harry ?
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He's just following our lead, brother. You know he can't think for himself.
Should we be proud of making Don what he is today? Probably not.
--
Me
Harry?
whyb...@somewhere.com says...
Spoofer alert! Everyone here knows that I'll do anything for attention.
YukonBound
"Harry ?" <whyb...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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'make"??
You couldn't make your bed without help.
Harry?
whi...@ns.sympatico.ca says...
Watch it, my bow-legged little buddy! You know that until I taught you
how to be an ass that does nothing but insult and call people names, you
were taken seriously and people actually liked you.
Tim
>
> - Show quoted text -
I can understand that. It's not a cure for everything, but it does
help. My brother brought an old Honda Gold Wing back to life by
running seafpam though it. But agreed. It is still no match for a good
carb disasembly and cleaning.
Larry
Larry
I fixed your post, moron.
Larry
Larry
YukonBound
"Larry" <Lar...@18gmail.com> wrote in message
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So... now you're admitting you are the 'Harry' spoofer.
What a dingbat!
Larry
YukonBound
"Larry" <Lar...@18gmail.com> wrote in message
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Heat getting to you down there... that's a dumb reply.
Bill McKee
"WaIIy" <WaIIy@(nft).invalid> wrote in message
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>
> A highly regarded product.
My T-8 only had a problem running at trolling speed. Was about where you go
from the low speed to the high speed jets. This is an 8 year old engine,
and runs off the main 65 gallon tank, so the gas in not always changed
monthly. But I do run through a water separating filter. Probably a 2
micron, but not really sure. But we do not have the humidity here that a
lot of the country has. Ran come injector cleaner in to the carb and let it
sit a week and runs great now.
Larry
Harry?
You should do better at name calling, my bow-legged little buddy. I
think that insulting and childish name calling makes me look
intelligent, refined and sophisticated.
Harry?
Hehe! You're getting bad, little buddy. Larry's doing the exact same
thing you do. And yes, it was a dumb reply and is every time you do it.