Older 30' cruiser -- advice?
Robert Clark
What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
"inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design and is
no more than about 30' long?
Jonathan
Alberg 30, Triton...
Tom Forhan
> Robert Clark wrote:
> >
> > What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
> > "inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design > > >and is no more than about 30' long?
If you are looking for a more modern design, check out Dufours.
These are seaworthy fin keel-skeg rudder boats, which have sucessfully
completed numerous off-shore passages: a Dufour 27 did well in a couple
of OSTAR races in the late '70s.
They all feature internal fiberglass hull liners, so no mildew problems
and they are easy to keep clean if you are a liveaboard. Interiors are
done in ribbon-stripe plywood, and look very elegant. Rigging is
conventional, and parts are not a problem from a good chandlery. Engines
tend to be Volvo diesels; very reliable. Hulls are moderate fin keels,
with some IOR influence. Topside appearance is modern, and clearly
European.
The were built in France, and while enough were sold in the US for you
to find one, they are clearly "off-brand" and so you can get a really
good deal if you shop around. They were imported into the US during the
'70s and early '80s.
Specific models that might meet your needs, and recent asking prices
I have seen:
Dufour 27 Safari: A modern, trunk cabin, galley amid-ships facing
dinette, quarter berth aft, double berth forward, -$7,500
Dufour 27: A flush-deck design, galley aft, more interior room than
the Safari model and more reserve bouyancy, this was the model that
did the OSTAR. Double berth forward, dinette facing a settee berth,
galley aft, no quarterberth. Living space much greater than, say, an
Alberg 30. -$8,500.
Dufour Arpege: 30 feet, quarter berths on both sides, dinette facing
galley, head may be in forepeak, memory is vague on this one. Numerous
transatlantic passages. $14,000
Dufour 31: A later design, very spacious interior for its size, many
have three cabin layouts with a small double quarter-berth cabin aft,
galley accross from this, dinette and facing a single settee berth, full
width head, and double berth forward.$19,000
I lived aboard and sailed the eastern seaboard and Bahamas in a Dufour
27 for several years. They are fine boats in the racer-cruiser mode, and
great values on today's market.
Good luck,
Tom F.
Marc Auslander
Alan Shirek
Columbia 29 and Cal 28 are a lot of boat for the money. If they are
sound and you don't have to get professional help you should get by all
in for about $10 to 15 K.
Ken Thorn
In article <323DD4...@tiac.net> Jonathan <jons...@tiac.net> writes:
>From: Jonathan <jons...@tiac.net>
>Subject: Re: Older 30' cruiser -- advice?
>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:26:43 -0400
>Robert Clark wrote:
>>
>> What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
>> "inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design and is
>> no more than about 30' long?
Morgan 30
LUD100
All good suggstions so far. I would suggest the Cal 2-27 and 29 or 2-29.
The 29 & 2-29 are the same boat, but the 2-29 came with a wheel, diesel,
and some other cruising goodies. These boats are older than the 28, but
more solid. Practical Sailor did a nice survey of the 2-27 a while back.
Walter Guinon
30 foot Seafarer Wm Tripp
RECARTER
There is no single answer to this kind of question. There are many
quality used boats available on the market.
Rich Carter
Jonathan wrote:
>
> Robert Clark wrote:
> >
> > What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
> > "inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design and is
> > no more than about 30' long?
>
> Alberg 30, Triton...
W.I.Mosher
Robert Clark wrote:
>
> What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
> "inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design and is
single hand, are you going to cruise with a family? what are the ages
and experiences of the crew? where do you intend to cruise, in the lakes
or the islands? If you can expand a bit you can get a much better idea.
however I suggest you contact Cruising world and get their Oct 95 and 94
issues since they have put together a good summery of what they consider
well found older heavy cruisers. I personaly prefer the type boats
featured in these issues as I do quite a bit of off shore sailing and am
inclined to venture offshore and make overnight passager rather than
remain in the intercostal system. If I want to power boat I would own a
bayliner. I sail a 70 model 31 off shore Cheoy Lee that will keep the
lee rail awash with a full compliment of sail in 22knots on a beat and
is still very stiff, (I don't recommend this unless you are very
familiar with your boat). I have run all day long in 20 ft seas and not
yet felt threatened. This hull configuration is very forgiving. Hope
this helps. WI Mosher.
Jere Lull
> >>
> >> What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
> >> "inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design and is
> >> no more than about 30' long?
>
Gosh, we're VERY happy with our Tanzer 28, aka "our freighter with legs"
(or "the pregnant guppy"), but what are you going to use the boat for?
Circumnavigation, Coastal (what coast?), inland, or daysailing/weekends?
You want something that's absolutely stable or something that can get
out of its own way? How many berths, long or short-term?
By some definitions, ANY boat that's been on the water for awhile can be
considered seaworthy, which would include everything over 'X' years old.
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux
'73 Tanzer 28 #4
out of Georgetown, MD
gher...@gmail.com
I just recently got a safari which is not quite ready for the water yet. From what I know of it I am pleased with my choice and encouraged by comments such as yours. I wondered in your time with this boat had you any issues with the skeg which is so narrow and a bit insubstantial looking. My boat is out of the water, the skeg feels a bit weak and I am wondering about removing and reattaching it but dont know what it is constructed on. I also am considering bracing the skeg with a length of stainless bar or tubing running from the deepest tip of the skeg fowards at about a 45 degree angle to the hull.
Any pearls of wisdom gratefully accepted!
Regards
Ger On Tuesday, 17 September 1996 08:00:00 UTC+1, Tom Forhan wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you folks think is the best, older (read that to mean
> > > "inexpensive") sailboat for cruising, that has a seaworthy design > > >and is no more than about 30' long?
>