Canvas Deck
Pat Ford
wrote:
>Patrick E. Hughes <fresh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>: Any hints on fixing up and/or replacing a canvas deck?
>
> Cut the canvas with a generous extra amount around the edges so that
>you can get a grip on it. Fair the surface underneath. Put on the
>bedding paint or whatever you intend to use. Pull the canvas down over
>the surface; pull tightly and tack.
>
>THEN get a big sponge and lots of water and wet the canvas down
>thoroughly. As it dries it will shrink.
>
> Paint over that once dried.
Actually, common practice 'round here is to paint over the damp
canvas. This keeps the paint from soaking into the canvas and making
it brittle. Also one doesn't use as much paint.
P.C.
Pat Ford skrev i meddelelsen <3a516eb0...@news.halcyon.com>...
>On 31 Mar 2000 10:30:42 -0500, Gregg Germain <gr...@elway.harvard.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>Patrick E. Hughes <fresh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>: Any hints on fixing up and/or replacing a canvas deck?
>>
>> Cut the canvas with a generous extra amount around the edges so that
>>you can get a grip on it. Fair the surface underneath. Put on the
>>bedding paint or whatever you intend to use.
No , No , No ( sorry) ------- don't do that as the whole idear with a canvas
deck is that the canvan must _not_ be "glued" onto the deck.
What I tell is true, and you just spoil a lot of work by handeling the canvas as
it is just a filler between deck and top paint. What will happen is that the
canvas will crack with the movement of the deck beneath and it will not be as
easy to replace.
Use no paint beneath but use raw linseed oil and prefereble that wet that it
enter halve way tru the canvas ; ------ then wet, and just before it is dry
paint.
Pull the canvas down over
>>the surface; pull tightly and tack.
>>
>>THEN get a big sponge and lots of water and wet the canvas down
>>thoroughly. As it dries it will shrink.
>>
>> Paint over that once dried.
>
>Actually, common practice 'round here is to paint over the damp
>canvas. This keeps the paint from soaking into the canvas and making
>it brittle. Also one doesn't use as much paint.
>
Please, ------ there is that few boats left with canvas deck, that the art of
making a new can easyli be forgotten. There is an idear to it, and that is that
the canvas must not be "glued" to the deck as then it will crack and will be
hard to remove when new need to be put on, ------- only a patch to make a repair
must be soaked tru. Please belive me, this allways been the misunderstanding
and issue of discussion, but _if_ you find a real old book dealing with the
method or ever tried to replace an old canvas deck, you will know that what I
tell is true. ------ done wrong the deck will not last long, while done right it
can last 20 years.
Best regards
P.C.
Pat Ford
<per.c...@gentofte.mail.telia.com> wrote:
>Please, ------ there is that few boats left with canvas deck, that the art of
>making a new can easyli be forgotten. There is an idear to it, and that is that
>the canvas must not be "glued" to the deck as then it will crack and will be
>hard to remove when new need to be put on,
<snips>
Well, there are many different ways of doing canvas decks. My post was
a comment on Greg Germain's suggestion. In particular, I was stating
that I paint the canvas while it is still wet with water. Greg Germain
was suggesting that the canvas be laid in paint. I would not so
negatively alarmist as you about doing the job that way. Lots of jobs
have been done in that manner; I've read competent experts recommend
this option. Frankly, I don't think that the results are as
disastrous as you suggest.
With that said, it is nonetheless not the way I proceed. I prefer to:
1. Lay down Irish felt.
2. Cover with canvas.
3. Soak down canvas; let dry thoroughly to shrink and tighten.
4. Repeat previous step.
5. Soak canvas again, let dry until half dry.
6. Paint. Don't use "high build" primers as they attract water and
will blow off enamel later. (A hard earned lesson for me. heh.)
The canvas is not "glued" to deck with paint or anything else. The
Irish felt acts as a gasket and prevents hard places in the canvas.
This prolongs wear. Also, it feels slightly padded under foot.
Finally, it is supposed to act as a rot preventative.
John Milton
Pat Ford (pf...@halcyon.com) wrote:
: On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:47:02 +0100, "P.C."
Pat Ford
>Pat Ford (pf...@halcyon.com) wrote:
>: With that said, it is nonetheless not the way I proceed. I prefer to:
>
>: 1. Lay down Irish felt.
>: 2. Cover with canvas.
>: 3. Soak down canvas; let dry thoroughly to shrink and tighten.
>: 4. Repeat previous step.
>: 5. Soak canvas again, let dry until half dry.
>: 6. Paint. Don't use "high build" primers as they attract water and
>: will blow off enamel later. (A hard earned lesson for me. heh.)
On 3 Jan 2001 18:35:11 GMT, aa...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (John Milton)
wrote:
>"Irish felt"? does this creature go by some other name?
Not as far as I know. It's a generic name for a rolled sheet product
which very roughly resembles roofing paper.
Pat Ford
Your marine hardware supplier should know what you are talking about.
If not, it's not a real marine hardware supplier.
Gregg Germain
: Well, there are many different ways of doing canvas decks. My post was
: a comment on Greg Germain's suggestion. In particular, I was stating
: that I paint the canvas while it is still wet with water. Greg Germain
: was suggesting that the canvas be laid in paint.
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I do lay a coat of paint on the deck, and
then stretch and secure the canvas donw over that. But I don't do
anythign to roll out or otherwise press the canvas to the wet
paint. However, I DO, wet down the canvass immediately with water as
you do. But then I wait until the water has evaporated - and therefore
the canvass has stretched and tightened, before I lay the next coat
of paint onto the canvas.
I don't think our techniques are that far different.
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Pat Ford
wrote:
>Pat Ford <pf...@halcyon.com> wrote:
>
>: Well, there are many different ways of doing canvas decks. My post was
>: a comment on Greg Germain's suggestion. In particular, I was stating
>: that I paint the canvas while it is still wet with water. Greg Germain
>: was suggesting that the canvas be laid in paint.
>
> Perhaps I wasn't clear. I do lay a coat of paint on the deck, and
>then stretch and secure the canvas donw over that. But I don't do
>anythign to roll out or otherwise press the canvas to the wet
>paint. However, I DO, wet down the canvass immediately with water as
>you do. But then I wait until the water has evaporated - and therefore
>the canvass has stretched and tightened, before I lay the next coat
>of paint onto the canvas.
>
>I don't think our techniques are that far different.
Well, I suppose not. Except the Irish felt method does not fasten the
canvas and deck together with paint or anything else.
I'm not saying your method is Bad Practice, I just prefer my method
for reasons which make sense to me.