Taste
Larry Sheldon
Hummingbirds seem not to notice. They tend to stay away in droves no
matter which I use, with zero, one, two, and (rarely) three that show up
show up no matter which I've used.
I tried some experiments with my self an others on cold water straight
to the coffee maker, cold water heated in the coffee maker, water heated
in the microwave before adding to the coffee maker. No detected
differences.
Water for tea: heated in a copper-bottom pot on the stove, an electric
teapot, the microwave. No detected differences.
Bacon cooked in a fry pan with and without a bacon press, and cooked in
the microwave. Differences detected, but only in comparisons with
pan-cooked-without-press. Pan cooked without the press _looks_
different, not sure it tastes different.
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Jerry Avins
> boiled water, heated water, straight from the tap.
>
> Hummingbirds seem not to notice. They tend to stay away in droves no
> matter which I use, with zero, one, two, and (rarely) three that show up
> show up no matter which I've used.
>
> I tried some experiments with my self an others on cold water straight
> to the coffee maker, cold water heated in the coffee maker, water heated
> in the microwave before adding to the coffee maker. No detected
> differences.
>
> Water for tea: heated in a copper-bottom pot on the stove, an electric
> teapot, the microwave. No detected differences.
Boiling water vigorously de-aerates it. Dissolved air changes the taste.
You can test this by boiling some water for a minute or so, then tasting
it after allowing it to cool to room temperature. The air and taste can
be restored by putting some in a bottle and shaking. Instructions for
tea making in an English manual say that "the kettle should be removed
from the fire at the moment of ebullition." In other words, don't
de-aerate the tea water. I have no idea how this applies to syrup.
> Bacon cooked in a fry pan with and without a bacon press, and cooked in
> the microwave. Differences detected, but only in comparisons with
> pan-cooked-without-press. Pan cooked without the press _looks_
> different, not sure it tastes different.
Jerry
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Wilson
> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> boiled water, heated water, straight from the tap.
>>
>> Hummingbirds seem not to notice. They tend to stay away in droves no
>> matter which I use, with zero, one, two, and (rarely) three that show
>> up show up no matter which I've used.
>>
>> I tried some experiments with my self an others on cold water straight
>> to the coffee maker, cold water heated in the coffee maker, water
>> heated in the microwave before adding to the coffee maker. No
>> detected differences.
>>
>> Water for tea: heated in a copper-bottom pot on the stove, an electric
>> teapot, the microwave. No detected differences.
>
> Boiling water vigorously de-aerates it. Dissolved air changes the taste.
> You can test this by boiling some water for a minute or so, then tasting
> it after allowing it to cool to room temperature. The air and taste can
> be restored by putting some in a bottle and shaking. Instructions for
> tea making in an English manual say that "the kettle should be removed
> from the fire at the moment of ebullition." In other words, don't
> de-aerate the tea water. I have no idea how this applies to syrup.
ratio of hydrogen to oxygen in water, the only two compounds found in pure
water, will not change as the water is boiled. They will remain in
equilibrium, so I think the 'de-aeration' reference is misleading. My water
comes from a well, so it doesn't get a chance to get aerated. It may contain
some dissolved gases, but not 'air.' Most urban water has been chlorinated
and boiling may drive that off. Perhaps that's the flavor you miss in your
tea ;-) I find no references supporting this point except wikipedia, which
doesn't make it wrong, just not absolutely trustworthy.
I guess I have no backing either, but I think most people would be able to
tell the difference in taste. Have to do my own test and get back to you. In
the mean time, this is Wilson who boils his tea water like a colonialist.
>
>> Bacon cooked in a fry pan with and without a bacon press, and cooked
>> in the microwave. Differences detected, but only in comparisons with
>> pan-cooked-without-press. Pan cooked without the press _looks_
>> different, not sure it tastes different.
>
> Jerry
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Wilson
> to tell the difference in taste. Have to do my own test and get back to
> you. In the mean time, this is Wilson who boils his tea water like a
> colonialist.
>>
>>> Bacon cooked in a fry pan with and without a bacon press, and cooked
>>> in the microwave. Differences detected, but only in comparisons with
>>> pan-cooked-without-press. Pan cooked without the press _looks_
>>> different, not sure it tastes different.
>>
>> Jerry
>
>
That 'would' obviously should have been 'wouldn't.'
Martini
stable and, as Wilson says, maintains its ratio of two hydrogen atoms to one
oxygen atom over a range of moderate temperatures.
However, "aeration" is not talking about the elements in the compound, but about
the air (some mixture of atmosphere gases, including oxyget) that becomes
dissolved in the compound. The degree of aeration varies over a range of
environmental conditions in which the water finds itself.
Suffice it to say that the hotter the water, the more dissolved gases have been
driven out of the mixture; the colder water has the potential to retain more
dissolved gases. Both of these conditions can be changed extensively by
agitating the compound slightly to greatly.
Ask any fisherman!
Martin Jensen
Jerry Avins
Have you ever noticed the fine bubbles that appear in a glass of water
just after the glass is filled from the tap? They are more prominent in
some areas than in others. I invite you to visit your local water
purification plant. Most are open to the public at least by appointment.
Part of the process is often aeration. Water is sprayed into the air and
falls back into a collection pool.
Mt well water contained dissolved air. The well is 200 ft. deep, so I
don't know where the air comes from. Even if the water had no air to
start with, however, it would pick up some from sitting in the
pressurized storage tank. Those tanks need a mechanism to replenish the
air that the water carries out.
> I guess I have no backing either, but I think most people would be able
> to tell the difference in taste. Have to do my own test and get back to
> you. In the mean time, this is Wilson who boils his tea water like a
> colonialist.
Do a blind test. Boil some water for a few minutes and allow it to cool.
re-aerate one glassful and add a glassful of unboiled water. Taste all
three. In my experience, you will not distinguish the unboiled and
re-aerated samples, but the "plain boiled" will stand out.
...
Wilson
Cheryl Isaak
"Martini" <hawk...@comcast.net> wrote:
Thank you for saving me explaining that!
And I really prefer to get fresh water and let it just come to the boil on
all cups of tea....
Cheryl
Cheryl Isaak
"Wilson" <Pyde_...@excite.com> wrote:
And try "softened" water versus well water. The same tea tastes different at
my neighbor's house with her softened and filtered water than it does with
my well straight from the tap.
Cheryl
Wilson
tastes and apparently, for many differing reasons. I drink my water straight
all the time and enjoy it's lack of flavor (have you ever had water from
central Florida - lots of sulphur.)
Cheryl Isaak
"Wilson" <Pyde_...@excite.com> wrote:
Shudder... But I've had the "spa water" at Saratoga Springs and yech!
C
MajorOz
> On 6/28/09 10:52 AM, in article h2809c$pq...@news.eternal-september.org,
>
>
>
> "Wilson" <Pyde_pi...@excite.com> wrote:
> > sometime in the recent past Cheryl Isaak posted this:
I invite any of you folks to stop by when you are in the area and get
as much as you want of my 480 ft deep, limestone filtered water. Best
taste I have ever had, and I was raised in the Rockies.
cheers
oz, whose hummers drink heavily
Cheryl Isaak
d166a913-b972-4f83...@i6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, "MajorOz"
<Maj...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 4:23�ｿｽpm, Cheryl Isaak <cherylis...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 6/28/09 10:52 AM, in article h2809c$pq...@news.eternal-september.org,
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wilson" <Pyde_pi...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> sometime in the recent past Cheryl Isaak posted this:
>>>> On 6/27/09 6:08 PM, in article h265dt$7e...@news.eternal-september.org,
>>>> "Wilson" <Pyde_pi...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> sometime in the recent past Jerry Avins posted this:
>>>>>> Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> sometime in the recent past Jerry Avins posted this:
>>>>>>>> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> boiled water, heated water, straight from the tap.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Hummingbirds seem not to notice. �ｿｽThey tend to stay away in droves
>>>>>>>>> no matter which I use, with zero, one, two, and (rarely) three that
>>>>>>>>> show up show up no matter which I've used.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried some experiments with my self an others on cold water
>>>>>>>>> straight to the coffee maker, cold water heated in the coffee maker,
>>>>>>>>> water heated in the microwave before adding to the coffee maker. �ｿｽNo
>>>>>>>>> detected differences.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Water for tea: heated in a copper-bottom pot on the stove, an
>>>>>>>>> electric teapot, the microwave. �ｿｽNo detected differences.
>>>>>> �ｿｽ ...
>>
>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>> I will have to give it a try.
>>>> And try "softened" water versus well water. The same tea tastes different
>>>> at
>>>> my neighbor's house with her softened and filtered water than it does with
>>>> my well straight from the tap.
>>
>>>> Cheryl
>>
>>> If I'm correct Cheryl, that softening comes from salt. So many different
>>> tastes and apparently, for many differing reasons. I drink my water straight
>>> all the time and enjoy it's lack of flavor (have you ever had water from
>>> central Florida - lots of sulphur.)
>>
>> Shudder... But I've had the "spa water" at Saratoga Springs and yech!
>>
>> C
>
> I invite any of you folks to stop by when you are in the area and get
> as much as you want of my 480 ft deep, limestone filtered water. Best
> taste I have ever had, and I was raised in the Rockies.
>
> cheers
>
> oz, whose hummers drink heavily
Will do
My 120 granite dug well is pretty tasty too.
C
jadel
down. Your inference is incorrect.
Boiling does drive off dissolved gases--the air or other gases trapped
in the water. It de-aerates the water and makes it taste flat.
Most water systems add chloramines to kill pathogens in drinking
water. However, some now use ozone.
J. Del Col
Wilson
drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a 6" x 220' pipe in
the ground is aerated as it comes out of the ground. The head space in my
water tank is on top of the closed rubber bladder, so the water in the tank
isn't aerated. So from my experience, boil all I want and I won't change the
makeup of the water nor it's flavor.
'Pure water' contains only oxygen & hydrogen, which was my point, and
boiling changes nothing there. Probably, only distilled water is 'pure' and
my well water isn't really pure.
I have boiled some water and am cooling it in the fridge and will perform my
own taste test and I'll do a 'blind taste test' on the wife after work.
Jerry Avins
Sharon Springs is worse. The smell overtakes you as you drive into town.
Larry Sheldon
> The water would have had to been aerated in the first place to have
> boiling drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a 6" x
> 220' pipe in the ground is aerated as it comes out of the ground. The
> head space in my water tank is on top of the closed rubber bladder, so
> the water in the tank isn't aerated. So from my experience, boil all I
> want and I won't change the makeup of the water nor it's flavor.
I've made as many errors as I am up for this morning (although it _is_
noon) so I am wary.
But I know of wells of the sort described where the water fizzes from
dissolved carbon dioxide, so I am prepared to believe that there are or
can be other dissolved gases in it as well.
Rainwater and fast-moving stream and river water would seem to be
well-aerated--when the water soaks in and becomes ground water, I would
assume it regains the dissolved gases.
Looks like an exercise in "How many ways can we use the word 'well'".
Cheryl Isaak
Avins" <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Where is Sharon Springs?
There used to be "Londonderry Lithia Water" bottled locally and sold as a
"cure all".
http://www.londonderrylithia.com/historypage.html
And was fairly near my home.
Cheryl
Larry Sheldon
Water at Mt Palomar used be dreadful--stank to high heavens and left a
coating on you when you showered in it.
My brother had water that was pretty much like that even after a
several-stage treatment plant. That well caved in (I think) and a new
one driven a few feet away (but to a different depth, I think) was the
difference of night and day.
Jerry Avins
Water hardness falls into two categories: permanent and temporary.
Temporary hardness is mitigated by heating. (The hardness minerals crud
up the hot water tank and don't come out.) More details at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water
If your water really contains no dissolved gases -- rare for well water,
especially for deep-well water -- then aerating it by shaking it in a
stoppered, half-filled bottle may change its flavor, possibly improving
it. Fill a clear glass from the tap. Does it cloud up at first, then
show small bubbles? That would be dissolved gas coming off as the the
pressure is released. The gas is often air, sometimes carbon dioxide.
When the carbon dioxide is abundant, they sell the stuff (S. Pellegrino,
Vichy, etc.)* You'd know for sure if it were sulfur dioxide!
> 'Pure water' contains only oxygen & hydrogen, which was my point, and
> boiling changes nothing there. Probably, only distilled water is 'pure'
> and my well water isn't really pure.
It probably isn't. Certainly not if there's any hardness.
> I have boiled some water and am cooling it in the fridge and will
> perform my own taste test and I'll do a 'blind taste test' on the wife
> after work.
Let us know how it goes. One of these days, someone will write a book,
/How to Keep Your Tap Water from Going Flat/ :-)
Jerry
______________________________
* I used to get my seltzer in these:
http://www.nmajh.org/weblog/cur/seltzer_bottle.JPG
Now I make it in this:
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/8/4/4/4/9/6/webimg/275746352_tp.jpg
Martini
> Wilson wrote:
>> sometime in the recent past jadel posted this:
>>> On Jun 27, 12:11 pm, Wilson <Pyde_pi...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>> sometime in the recent past Jerry Avins posted this:
>>>>
>>>>
>> I have boiled some water and am cooling it in the fridge and will
>> perform my own taste test and I'll do a 'blind taste test' on the
>> wife after work.
>
> Let us know how it goes. One of these days, someone will write a book,
> /How to Keep Your Tap Water from Going Flat/ :-)
>
> Jerry
>
Jerry Avins
Just off US 20 in New York's Wyoming valley, after which the state of
Wyoming was named. NY 10 is Main Street.
> There used to be "Londonderry Lithia Water" bottled locally and sold as a
> "cure all".
Sure. If it tastes bad, it must be medicine!
> http://www.londonderrylithia.com/historypage.html
>
> And was fairly near my home.
Jerry
Jerry Avins
> Wilson wrote:
>
>> The water would have had to been aerated in the first place to have
>> boiling drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a 6"
>> x 220' pipe in the ground is aerated as it comes out of the ground.
>> The head space in my water tank is on top of the closed rubber
>> bladder, so the water in the tank isn't aerated. So from my
>> experience, boil all I want and I won't change the makeup of the water
>> nor it's flavor.
>
> I've made as many errors as I am up for this morning (although it _is_
> noon) so I am wary.
>
> But I know of wells of the sort described where the water fizzes from
> dissolved carbon dioxide, so I am prepared to believe that there are or
> can be other dissolved gases in it as well.
>
> Rainwater and fast-moving stream and river water would seem to be
> well-aerated--when the water soaks in and becomes ground water, I would
> assume it regains the dissolved gases.
Retains?
> Looks like an exercise in "How many ways can we use the word 'well'".
Well said!
Martini
> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> The water would have had to been aerated in the first place to have
>>> boiling drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a
>>> 6" x 220' pipe in the ground is aerated as it comes out of the
>>> ground. The head space in my water tank is on top of the closed
>>> rubber bladder, so the water in the tank isn't aerated. So from my
>>> experience, boil all I want and I won't change the makeup of the
>>> water nor it's flavor.
>>
>> I've made as many errors as I am up for this morning (although it
>> _is_ noon) so I am wary.
>>
>> But I know of wells of the sort described where the water fizzes from
>> dissolved carbon dioxide, so I am prepared to believe that there are
>> or can be other dissolved gases in it as well.
>>
>> Rainwater and fast-moving stream and river water would seem to be
>> well-aerated--when the water soaks in and becomes ground water, I
>> would assume it regains the dissolved gases.
>
> Retains?
>
>> Looks like an exercise in "How many ways can we use the word 'well'".
>
> Well said!
>
> Jerry
Well, I don't know . . .
Martin
Jerry Avins
> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
...
>> Where is Sharon Springs?
>
> Just off US 20 in New York's Wyoming valley, after which the state of
> Wyoming was named. NY 10 is Main Street.
I may be confused. The Wyoming Valley may be further west along US 20.
Larry Sheldon
> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> The water would have had to been aerated in the first place to have
>>> boiling drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a 6"
>>> x 220' pipe in the ground is aerated as it comes out of the ground.
>>> The head space in my water tank is on top of the closed rubber
>>> bladder, so the water in the tank isn't aerated. So from my
>>> experience, boil all I want and I won't change the makeup of the
>>> water nor it's flavor.
>>
>> I've made as many errors as I am up for this morning (although it _is_
>> noon) so I am wary.
>>
>> But I know of wells of the sort described where the water fizzes from
>> dissolved carbon dioxide, so I am prepared to believe that there are
>> or can be other dissolved gases in it as well.
>>
>> Rainwater and fast-moving stream and river water would seem to be
>> well-aerated--when the water soaks in and becomes ground water, I
>> would assume it regains the dissolved gases.
>
> Retains?
Yup.
>
>> Looks like an exercise in "How many ways can we use the word 'well'".
>
> Well said!
!
Richard Owlett
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>
>> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>>> Where is Sharon Springs?
>>
>>
>> Just off US 20 in New York's Wyoming valley, after which the state of
>> Wyoming was named. NY 10 is Main Street.
>
>
> I may be confused. The Wyoming Valley may be further west along US 20.
>
> Jerry
I can't find NY 10 in my Rand McNally
I can find Wyoming County, but not Wyoming Valley
Former resident of Irondequoit, Rochester, Webster, and Ithaca NY
[try to forget my Boston and Jersey addresses]
SW MO better - *NO* snow ;)
jadel
Want to bet it doesn't contain dissolved air? You draw it from a tap,
right? It splashes into the glass, right? Do you really think no air
gets in there?
There are naturally carbonated deep well waters, just ask Perrier.
> 'Pure water' contains only oxygen & hydrogen, which was my point,
Which had nothing to do with what Jerry posted, comprende?
J. Del Col
jadel
> On 6/29/09 12:50 PM, in article 1h62m.2233$5c.1...@newsfe09.iad, "Jerry> >> On 6/28/09 10:52 AM, in article h2809c$pq...@news.eternal-september.org,
> >> "Wilson" <Pyde_pi...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >>> sometime in the recent past Cheryl Isaak posted this:
Years ago, people sold well water that had a naturally high radium
content: it was marketed as a tonic, too.
Some towns in Texas have substantial lithium in their well water---
very mellow places.
J. Del Col
Larry Sheldon
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>>
>>> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>> Where is Sharon Springs?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just off US 20 in New York's Wyoming valley, after which the state of
>>> Wyoming was named. NY 10 is Main Street.
>>
>>
>> I may be confused. The Wyoming Valley may be further west along US 20.
>>
>> Jerry
>
> I can't find NY 10 in my Rand McNally
> I can find Wyoming County, but not Wyoming Valley
I found a Wyoming valley in Pennsylvania (Wilkes Barre is in it.)
Wyoming, NY has a Main Street that ends at NY 19, and is north of Warsaw
(which is in US 20A).
Jerry Avins
Cheryl Isaak
Sheldon" <lfsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wilson wrote:
>
>> The water would have had to been aerated in the first place to have
>> boiling drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a 6" x
>> 220' pipe in the ground is aerated as it comes out of the ground. The
>> head space in my water tank is on top of the closed rubber bladder, so
>> the water in the tank isn't aerated. So from my experience, boil all I
>> want and I won't change the makeup of the water nor it's flavor.
>
> I've made as many errors as I am up for this morning (although it _is_
> noon) so I am wary.
>
> But I know of wells of the sort described where the water fizzes from
> dissolved carbon dioxide, so I am prepared to believe that there are or
> can be other dissolved gases in it as well.
>
> Rainwater and fast-moving stream and river water would seem to be
> well-aerated--when the water soaks in and becomes ground water, I would
> assume it regains the dissolved gases.
>
> Looks like an exercise in "How many ways can we use the word 'well'".
It's a deep subject.....
Cheryl
(r,d,h)
Jerry Avins
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> Where is Sharon Springs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just off US 20 in New York's Wyoming valley, after which the state
>>>> of Wyoming was named. NY 10 is Main Street.
>>>
>>>
>>> I may be confused. The Wyoming Valley may be further west along US 20.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>
>> I can't find NY 10 in my Rand McNally
>> I can find Wyoming County, but not Wyoming Valley
>>
>> Former resident of Irondequoit, Rochester, Webster, and Ithaca NY
>> [try to forget my Boston and Jersey addresses]
>> SW MO better - *NO* snow ;)
>
> NW of Schoharie. Further SE of Herkimer. http://tinyurl.com/n8t8b7
I answered the wrong question. http://tinyurl.com/n8t8b7
Richard Owlett
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> Where is Sharon Springs?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just off US 20 in New York's Wyoming valley, after which the state
>>>>> of Wyoming was named. NY 10 is Main Street.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I may be confused. The Wyoming Valley may be further west along US 20.
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't find NY 10 in my Rand McNally
>>> I can find Wyoming County, but not Wyoming Valley
>>>
>>> Former resident of Irondequoit, Rochester, Webster, and Ithaca NY
>>> [try to forget my Boston and Jersey addresses]
>>> SW MO better - *NO* snow ;)
>>
>>
>> NW of Schoharie. Further SE of Herkimer. http://tinyurl.com/n8t8b7
>
>
> I answered the wrong question. http://tinyurl.com/n8t8b7
Not that I noticed. Both tiny url's the same. They even reminded me that
I lived in Utica for over a year. I'm gettin old.
jadel
No doubt it preserves your Purity Of Essence.
"Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?"
-Gen. Jack D. Ripper in Dr.
Strangelove.-
J. Del Col
Larry Sheldon
... for shallow minds?
Wilson
>>>> tell the difference in taste. Have to do my own test and get back to you. In
>>>> the mean time, this is Wilson who boils his tea water like a colonialist.
>>> Jerry never suggested that boiling causes the water molecule to break
>>> down. Your inference is incorrect.
>>> Boiling does drive off dissolved gases--the air or other gases trapped
>>> in the water. It de-aerates the water and makes it taste flat.
>>> Most water systems add chloramines to kill pathogens in drinking
>>> water. However, some now use ozone.
>>> J. Del Col
>> The water would have had to been aerated in the first place to have boiling
>> drive it off. I do not believe that my water, drawn from a 6" x 220' pipe in
>> the ground is aerated as it comes out of the ground. The head space in my
>> water tank is on top of the closed rubber bladder, so the water in the tank
>> isn't aerated. So from my experience, boil all I want and I won't change the
>> makeup of the water nor it's flavor.
>>
>
> Want to bet it doesn't contain dissolved air? You draw it from a tap,
> right? It splashes into the glass, right? Do you really think no air
> gets in there?
>
> There are naturally carbonated deep well waters, just ask Perrier.
>
>> 'Pure water' contains only oxygen & hydrogen, which was my point,
>
> Which had nothing to do with what Jerry posted, comprende?
>
> J. Del Col
>
that boiling water or not seemed to make no difference to the birds.
Once more debating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, I'm not
boiling Perrier. I'm boiling my well water. Regardless of what you think is
in it or not, or what I might think is in it or not, I did the 'blind taste
test' with my wife last night. I took water straight from the well, put it
in a jelly jar with a lid and put it in the fridge. I then took the tea pot
that never empties and is refreshed with more water daily from the same well
and brought it up to a boil again for about 5 mins. I then poured that
boiled water into an identical jelly glass. Filled and capped, that glass
too went into the fridge.
When she got home, I set them both up on the counter and we both tasted
them. I knew which was which and she didn't. We sipped, we gulped, we sucked
it loudly across our tongues like wine tasters. You know what happened?
Nothing. The wife thought the boiled water was the fresh water from the
well. I, with an adult non-smokers tongue tried to discern the slightest bit
of difference. Again nada.
Now, since I maintained that my well contains very little if any dissolved
air ie. no bubbles ever on any containers it's drawn into, it isn't
surprising that they both tasted exactly the same. Again, I'm talking about
air, just regular breathing air, not CO2, not H2S.
I'm sure there will be someone who claim to be able to tell what height rain
drops have fallen from by their taste, and that air got into the glasses the
moment I opened the lids, but, for me, the test ends here. I'm back to my
original position with my own empirical evidence, agreeing with Larry that I
doubt the birds can tell the difference. I'm simply adding that I doubt most
of you would either. I did my own test, now do your.
J. Del Col, you can quip 'that my inference is incorrect' and question
whether I 'comprende' and I'm betting that I haven't moved you a bit. I've
tried to avoid personal attacks and hyperbole or even the slightest poking
of the sharpened stick. Meanwhile, the hummers are hungry. I mix my 'food'
in small batches to keep it fresh. I start with 1 C of water which I add
about 1/4 C of with 1/4 C sugar in a pot. I then heat that over gas,
stirring constantly until all the sugar is dissolved. I immediately pour the
remainder of the water into the pot and right back into the measuring cup,
thereby eliminating the need for further cooling. As soon as it appears the
least bit cloudy, I empty the feeder, rinse with a 10% bleach solution,
rinse that and then re-fill with fresh food.
Wilson, somewhat deaerated himself, signing off.
jadel
Why would you? Your implication that de-areating water breaks down
the water molecules remains dead wrong.
It's nice that your water doesn't contain air, most does.
> tried to avoid personal attacks and hyperbole or even the slightest poking
> of the sharpened stick. Meanwhile, the hummers are hungry. I mix my 'food'
> in small batches to keep it fresh. I start with 1 C of water which I add
> about 1/4 C of with 1/4 C sugar in a pot. I then heat that over gas,
> stirring constantly until all the sugar is dissolved. I immediately pour the
> remainder of the water into the pot and right back into the measuring cup,
> thereby eliminating the need for further cooling. As soon as it appears the
> least bit cloudy, I empty the feeder, rinse with a 10% bleach solution,
> rinse that and then re-fill with fresh food.
>
I also mix the nectar as needed. There's no need to heat anything.
Hot tap water dissolves the sugar in seconds.
Cold water then lowers the temp to usable range.
If I need to, I rinse the feeders with white vinegar--it doesn't
degrade the plastic parts the way bleach does.
No sick hummers, no mold problems.
But if you like your elaborate ritual, go for it.
J. Del Col
Jerry Avins
Jerry Avins
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> Wilson, somewhat deaerated himself, signing off.
You might perform another test for completeness. Vigorously agitate some
of your tap water by shaking it in a half-full jar, and see if the taste
differs from water that hasn't been aerated. No heat needed.