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John B.
Oct 1, 2012, 6:32:42 AM10/1/12
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I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
Any help greatly appreciated.
--
Cheers,
John B.
datakoll
Oct 1, 2012, 6:52:08 AM10/1/12
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https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw&q=Search%20for%20topics#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=download+and+print+state+maps&oq=download+print+maps&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i30j0i8j0i8i30l2.3267.36772.0.41454.75.47.21.0.0.5.685.9654.0j25j14j3j0j2.44.0.les%3Bcesh..0.0...1.1.DS3j66Vw20M&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=2ae57bceec566c09&biw=1138&bih=629
http://geography.about.com/od/usmaps/a/states-area.htm
where are you headed ?
try Garmin at Walmart
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 1, 2012, 1:02:14 PM10/1/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:32:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
>maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
>Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
>
>Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
>maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
>impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
Google goes through some effort to protect its maps. Instead, use a
different map database such as OpenStreetMap.
I'm still using my iPhone 3G with MotionX application for bicycle
navigation and have not bothered finding a suitable Android app. I've
been using a hiking application called MyTrails:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en>
which uses OpenStreetMap and OpenCycleMap. It supports offline maps,
but I haven't bothered to try it as its cached maps are good enough
for me.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstreetmap>
<http://www.openstreetmap.org>
<http://www.opencyclemap.org>
<http://code.google.com/p/gmapcatcher/>
Storing 10,000 sq-km of maps is reasonable. (California is about
400,000 sq-km area). 10,000 sq-km is a box 100km on a side, which
would give you approximately a 50km ride in any direction. I'm not
sure that this would be enough coverage. However, if you're going to
zoom down to the level where you can see individual buildings, the
storage requirements might become exessive. If your Android device is
crammed full of movies and photos, you may run out of storage space.
>Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
>names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
Hint: Running the GPS in an Android phone is a great way to run the
battery down in a short time. My Droid X has a removable battery
making carrying a pocket full of batteries practical. However, with
todays non-removable battery Android phones, you will probably need an
external 5V power source. Something like these:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/160884985262>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/160877789144>
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
wrote:
>I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
>maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
>Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
>
>Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
>maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
>impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
different map database such as OpenStreetMap.
I'm still using my iPhone 3G with MotionX application for bicycle
navigation and have not bothered finding a suitable Android app. I've
been using a hiking application called MyTrails:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en>
which uses OpenStreetMap and OpenCycleMap. It supports offline maps,
but I haven't bothered to try it as its cached maps are good enough
for me.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstreetmap>
<http://www.openstreetmap.org>
<http://www.opencyclemap.org>
<http://code.google.com/p/gmapcatcher/>
Storing 10,000 sq-km of maps is reasonable. (California is about
400,000 sq-km area). 10,000 sq-km is a box 100km on a side, which
would give you approximately a 50km ride in any direction. I'm not
sure that this would be enough coverage. However, if you're going to
zoom down to the level where you can see individual buildings, the
storage requirements might become exessive. If your Android device is
crammed full of movies and photos, you may run out of storage space.
>Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
>names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
battery down in a short time. My Droid X has a removable battery
making carrying a pocket full of batteries practical. However, with
todays non-removable battery Android phones, you will probably need an
external 5V power source. Something like these:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/160884985262>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/160877789144>
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
SMS
Oct 1, 2012, 1:53:39 PM10/1/12
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a tablet and phone. It's gotten much better over the past year.
Bertrand
Oct 1, 2012, 1:59:52 PM10/1/12
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> I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
> maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
> Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
>
> Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
> maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
> impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
>
> Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
> names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
I'm very happy with Backcountry Navigator. It costs $10 US, but there's a
> maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
> Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
>
> Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
> maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
> impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
>
> Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
> names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
free demo version that I think is usable for 30 days.
Mike Causer
Oct 1, 2012, 3:21:11 PM10/1/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:32:42 +0700
John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
> maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
> Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
Try the apps using Open Street Map. OSMAnd will utilise stored maps (BIG
> I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
> maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
> Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
download) or online tiles if you're out of the stored area. It does the
tracking, but unfortunately for battery life insists on keeping the
screen lit while tracking. I also have OSMTrack, which uses online
maps only, but allows tracking to continue with the screen off. All the
Open Street Map maps in the UK have good coverage of footpaths and other
off-road trails, which Google maps and other motor vehicle-centric apps
do not. I cannot speak about coverage for the USA though.
Mike
John B.
Oct 1, 2012, 8:05:52 PM10/1/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:02:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:32:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
>>maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
>>Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
>>
>>Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
>>maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
>>impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
>
>Google goes through some effort to protect its maps. Instead, use a
>different map database such as OpenStreetMap.
>
>I'm still using my iPhone 3G with MotionX application for bicycle
>navigation and have not bothered finding a suitable Android app. I've
>been using a hiking application called MyTrails:
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en>
>which uses OpenStreetMap and OpenCycleMap. It supports offline maps,
>but I haven't bothered to try it as its cached maps are good enough
>for me.
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstreetmap>
><http://www.openstreetmap.org>
><http://www.opencyclemap.org>
><http://code.google.com/p/gmapcatcher/>
>
I tried out a couple of GPS apps that used OpenStreetMap that had
street names in the local language which is not helpful.
>Storing 10,000 sq-km of maps is reasonable. (California is about
>400,000 sq-km area). 10,000 sq-km is a box 100km on a side, which
>would give you approximately a 50km ride in any direction. I'm not
>sure that this would be enough coverage. However, if you're going to
>zoom down to the level where you can see individual buildings, the
>storage requirements might become exessive. If your Android device is
>crammed full of movies and photos, you may run out of storage space.
>
The 10,000 sq.Km. is probably sufficient. As a general statement I
don't need GPS in rural areas, there's only one way to get there, but
I do in the cities. If you are on highway 102 between two cities you
probably won't get lost, but if you are in a municipal area where
streets change their name three times before you get to the river it
can be a problem.
Memory isn't really a problem, at least not yet :-)
>>Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
>>names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
>>
>>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Hint: Running the GPS in an Android phone is a great way to run the
>battery down in a short time. My Droid X has a removable battery
>making carrying a pocket full of batteries practical. However, with
>todays non-removable battery Android phones, you will probably need an
>external 5V power source. Something like these:
><http://www.ebay.com/itm/160884985262>
><http://www.ebay.com/itm/160877789144>
Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
when I get lost.
I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:32:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
>>maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
>>Similar to Google Maps but using stored maps.
>>
>>Yes, I know that Google Maps can store maps but ideally the stored
>>maps would be, say 10,000 Sq. Km. in area and so far I find that
>>impossible to accomplish with the Google Maps' save function.
>
>Google goes through some effort to protect its maps. Instead, use a
>different map database such as OpenStreetMap.
>
>I'm still using my iPhone 3G with MotionX application for bicycle
>navigation and have not bothered finding a suitable Android app. I've
>been using a hiking application called MyTrails:
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en>
>which uses OpenStreetMap and OpenCycleMap. It supports offline maps,
>but I haven't bothered to try it as its cached maps are good enough
>for me.
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstreetmap>
><http://www.openstreetmap.org>
><http://www.opencyclemap.org>
><http://code.google.com/p/gmapcatcher/>
>
street names in the local language which is not helpful.
>Storing 10,000 sq-km of maps is reasonable. (California is about
>400,000 sq-km area). 10,000 sq-km is a box 100km on a side, which
>would give you approximately a 50km ride in any direction. I'm not
>sure that this would be enough coverage. However, if you're going to
>zoom down to the level where you can see individual buildings, the
>storage requirements might become exessive. If your Android device is
>crammed full of movies and photos, you may run out of storage space.
>
don't need GPS in rural areas, there's only one way to get there, but
I do in the cities. If you are on highway 102 between two cities you
probably won't get lost, but if you are in a municipal area where
streets change their name three times before you get to the river it
can be a problem.
Memory isn't really a problem, at least not yet :-)
>>Another function that would be necessary is that major items, road
>>names, etc. have to be printed in English as is done with Google Maps
>>
>>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Hint: Running the GPS in an Android phone is a great way to run the
>battery down in a short time. My Droid X has a removable battery
>making carrying a pocket full of batteries practical. However, with
>todays non-removable battery Android phones, you will probably need an
>external 5V power source. Something like these:
><http://www.ebay.com/itm/160884985262>
><http://www.ebay.com/itm/160877789144>
8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
when I get lost.
I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
--
Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Oct 1, 2012, 8:06:47 PM10/1/12
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 03:52:08 -0700 (PDT), datakoll <data...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The idea was not to need an additional electronic marvel.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
--
Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Oct 1, 2012, 8:12:42 PM10/1/12
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read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
storage isn't excessive.
Ideal, if I could read them :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
datakoll
Oct 1, 2012, 8:26:17 PM10/1/12
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pip pip alllllastern....yaaahaaaa rowers on the right yawl better shape up or its overboard...
itsa toy costs $100
rann ive a coupla tourers headed over the pass the upper Madison River, touring with a phone GPS.
I aske dthe rider without the phone where the GPS was n he said the cell guy handles space and time that he wasn't uptight about it but the cell guy was checking his progress.
I have one furmuh kayak with marine charts. Other yakkers go oooooohhh ahhhhh wooooww...
It hooks into a 1705E/9400 Dell on doghouse where it sits now using NROUTE a topo visual of where you are..
then to get over to X its Streets and Trips saving mega gas and energy.
Did a cross LA loop on a supply run with S&T....amazing....god bless the audiovox TV side view mirror merges from the right at 50-60 mph like from under abridge(s)
The marine VHF is a gas....I can speak with the Chinses freighter tellum I's stationary. They say 'haaaso kayak thank you....'
the guy without the cell phone was dubious yet tolerant.
cell towers are not universal.
itsa toy costs $100
rann ive a coupla tourers headed over the pass the upper Madison River, touring with a phone GPS.
I aske dthe rider without the phone where the GPS was n he said the cell guy handles space and time that he wasn't uptight about it but the cell guy was checking his progress.
I have one furmuh kayak with marine charts. Other yakkers go oooooohhh ahhhhh wooooww...
It hooks into a 1705E/9400 Dell on doghouse where it sits now using NROUTE a topo visual of where you are..
then to get over to X its Streets and Trips saving mega gas and energy.
Did a cross LA loop on a supply run with S&T....amazing....god bless the audiovox TV side view mirror merges from the right at 50-60 mph like from under abridge(s)
The marine VHF is a gas....I can speak with the Chinses freighter tellum I's stationary. They say 'haaaso kayak thank you....'
the guy without the cell phone was dubious yet tolerant.
cell towers are not universal.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 1, 2012, 9:34:16 PM10/1/12
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:12:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>I did try them and the Thai maps use the Thai language, which I can
>read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
>what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
>storage isn't excessive.
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand>
<http://thaimap.osm-tools.org/?zoom=7&lat=16.38023&lon=101.26164&layers=B00>
Looks like English to me.
wrote:
>I did try them and the Thai maps use the Thai language, which I can
>read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
>what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
>storage isn't excessive.
<http://thaimap.osm-tools.org/?zoom=7&lat=16.38023&lon=101.26164&layers=B00>
Looks like English to me.
John B.
Oct 2, 2012, 2:18:34 AM10/2/12
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT), datakoll <data...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>pip pip alllllastern....yaaahaaaa rowers on the right yawl better shape up or its overboard...
>
>itsa toy costs $100
>
>rann ive a coupla tourers headed over the pass the upper Madison River, touring with a phone GPS.
>
>I aske dthe rider without the phone where the GPS was n he said the cell guy handles space and time that he wasn't uptight about it but the cell guy was checking his progress.
>
>I have one furmuh kayak with marine charts. Other yakkers go oooooohhh ahhhhh wooooww...
>
>It hooks into a 1705E/9400 Dell on doghouse where it sits now using NROUTE a topo visual of where you are..
>
Dog house on a Kayak?
>then to get over to X its Streets and Trips saving mega gas and energy.
Mega gas savings in a kayak???
>
>Did a cross LA loop on a supply run with S&T....amazing....god bless the audiovox TV side view mirror merges from the right at 50-60 mph like from under abridge(s)
>
>The marine VHF is a gas....I can speak with the Chinses freighter tellum I's stationary. They say 'haaaso kayak thank you....'
>
"Ah so" is Japanese, not Chinese. Chinese would be more like "Haw,
haw".
>
>the guy without the cell phone was dubious yet tolerant.
>
>
>cell towers are not universal.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>pip pip alllllastern....yaaahaaaa rowers on the right yawl better shape up or its overboard...
>
>itsa toy costs $100
>
>rann ive a coupla tourers headed over the pass the upper Madison River, touring with a phone GPS.
>
>I aske dthe rider without the phone where the GPS was n he said the cell guy handles space and time that he wasn't uptight about it but the cell guy was checking his progress.
>
>I have one furmuh kayak with marine charts. Other yakkers go oooooohhh ahhhhh wooooww...
>
>It hooks into a 1705E/9400 Dell on doghouse where it sits now using NROUTE a topo visual of where you are..
>
>then to get over to X its Streets and Trips saving mega gas and energy.
>
>Did a cross LA loop on a supply run with S&T....amazing....god bless the audiovox TV side view mirror merges from the right at 50-60 mph like from under abridge(s)
>
>The marine VHF is a gas....I can speak with the Chinses freighter tellum I's stationary. They say 'haaaso kayak thank you....'
>
haw".
>
>the guy without the cell phone was dubious yet tolerant.
>
>
>cell towers are not universal.
Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Oct 2, 2012, 2:39:00 AM10/2/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:34:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:12:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I did try them and the Thai maps use the Thai language, which I can
>>read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
>>what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
>>storage isn't excessive.
>
><http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand>
I go to this site and click on "Browse Thailand Map" and it is all
Thai. There is a link titled "multilingual names" which leads me to
your second reference, below.
><http://thaimap.osm-tools.org/?zoom=7&lat=16.38023&lon=101.26164&layers=B00>
Ah Ha! This one is in English. But I see no way to use it on a hand
phone. Did I miss something? The instructions I find are all about
linking it to a server. did you see a reference to downloading the map
for use on a GPS hand phone?
>Looks like English to me.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:12:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I did try them and the Thai maps use the Thai language, which I can
>>read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
>>what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
>>storage isn't excessive.
>
><http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand>
Thai. There is a link titled "multilingual names" which leads me to
your second reference, below.
><http://thaimap.osm-tools.org/?zoom=7&lat=16.38023&lon=101.26164&layers=B00>
Ah Ha! This one is in English. But I see no way to use it on a hand
phone. Did I miss something? The instructions I find are all about
linking it to a server. did you see a reference to downloading the map
for use on a GPS hand phone?
>Looks like English to me.
--
John B.
BobC
Oct 2, 2012, 2:44:56 AM10/2/12
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Beta, but see http://www.oziexplorer3.com/android/oziexplorer_android.html
a great application - you can construct and calibrate your own maps
using OSM of OSMCycle - it has a great set of features. Runs well on my
HTC Wildfire.
--
BobC
John B.
Oct 2, 2012, 6:29:01 AM10/2/12
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:44:56 +1000, BobC <pat....@bigpond.com>
wrote:
I tried Ozzyexplorer some years ago with the idea of using it on a
boat but the lack of pre-made maps made it, I thought, less then ideal
although had I been in the U.S. with its free charts from the
government I would probably have been an avid user.
I've pretty well settled on MapDroid as it uses free maps and there is
a full worldwide library of them. The main problem is that maps are in
the native language however highway numbers are in English so it is
usable, although English names would be preferable.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
boat but the lack of pre-made maps made it, I thought, less then ideal
although had I been in the U.S. with its free charts from the
government I would probably have been an avid user.
I've pretty well settled on MapDroid as it uses free maps and there is
a full worldwide library of them. The main problem is that maps are in
the native language however highway numbers are in English so it is
usable, although English names would be preferable.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 2, 2012, 7:59:56 AM10/2/12
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:39:00 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
useful.
The bilingual stuff might be in here, somewhere, maybe...
<http://downloads.osm-tools.org>
So, I download:
<http://downloads.osm-tools.org/thailand-20111121.7z> (28MB)
with the hope that the file is bilingual. This expands (using 7-zip)
to about 500MB as an OSM file.
Next, I download what looks like an editor/viewer from:
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM>
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Desktop>
I went for the Windoze installer, but the JAR file should work on
anything that runs Java. Loading a 500MB OSM file took about 15
minutes to load. Yawn.
Click on the magnifying glass, + or - to zoom, or select a box. It
takes a few minutes but it eventually works. It's all in English with
no Thai maps or details. What this appears to be is an English
overlay of edits to the original OSM map showing English names,
bicycle routes, GPS tracks, and other additions. Without the original
map data, this is NOT going to work.
Enough for one night. Maybe ask the Thai map editor for help, ask in
an OSM forum, or find someone with more of a clue. I give up.
wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:34:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:12:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I did try them and the Thai maps use the Thai language, which I can
>>>read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
>>>what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
>>>storage isn't excessive.
>>
>><http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand>
>
>I go to this site and click on "Browse Thailand Map" and it is all
>Thai. There is a link titled "multilingual names" which leads me to
>your second reference, below.
>
>><http://thaimap.osm-tools.org/?zoom=7&lat=16.38023&lon=101.26164&layers=B00>
>
>Ah Ha! This one is in English. But I see no way to use it on a hand
>phone. Did I miss something? The instructions I find are all about
>linking it to a server. did you see a reference to downloading the map
>for use on a GPS hand phone?
>
>>Looks like English to me.
No export tool. It's 4AM, hot (80F), so I might as well do something
>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:34:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:12:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I did try them and the Thai maps use the Thai language, which I can
>>>read just well enough to find a toilet. Other then that they are just
>>>what I wanted. For SEA you can download the maps by countries and the
>>>storage isn't excessive.
>>
>><http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand>
>
>I go to this site and click on "Browse Thailand Map" and it is all
>Thai. There is a link titled "multilingual names" which leads me to
>your second reference, below.
>
>><http://thaimap.osm-tools.org/?zoom=7&lat=16.38023&lon=101.26164&layers=B00>
>
>Ah Ha! This one is in English. But I see no way to use it on a hand
>phone. Did I miss something? The instructions I find are all about
>linking it to a server. did you see a reference to downloading the map
>for use on a GPS hand phone?
>
>>Looks like English to me.
useful.
The bilingual stuff might be in here, somewhere, maybe...
<http://downloads.osm-tools.org>
So, I download:
<http://downloads.osm-tools.org/thailand-20111121.7z> (28MB)
with the hope that the file is bilingual. This expands (using 7-zip)
to about 500MB as an OSM file.
Next, I download what looks like an editor/viewer from:
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM>
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Desktop>
I went for the Windoze installer, but the JAR file should work on
anything that runs Java. Loading a 500MB OSM file took about 15
minutes to load. Yawn.
Click on the magnifying glass, + or - to zoom, or select a box. It
takes a few minutes but it eventually works. It's all in English with
no Thai maps or details. What this appears to be is an English
overlay of edits to the original OSM map showing English names,
bicycle routes, GPS tracks, and other additions. Without the original
map data, this is NOT going to work.
Enough for one night. Maybe ask the Thai map editor for help, ask in
an OSM forum, or find someone with more of a clue. I give up.
Duane Hébert
Oct 2, 2012, 8:06:08 AM10/2/12
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On 10/01/2012 08:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
> 8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
> to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
> when I get lost.
>
> I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
MotionX, as someone mentioned would probably work well for you then. I
> Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
> 8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
> to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
> when I get lost.
>
> I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
use it for pretty much the same thing as you describe. You can load a
route at home over wifi to save downloads. You can turn it on at any
point and it will find your relative to the route. I'm not sure what
the maximum distance is but I've used it to plot a driving route from
Montreal to Halifax which is about 1500km.
To track a route as you ride it, you may try Strava. It doesn't seem to
use up too much battery as long as you have the screen off. I've tried
using it as GPS and while it sort of works it only shows where you are
relative to the saved route. It doesn't direct you.
John B.
Oct 2, 2012, 8:53:34 AM10/2/12
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 04:59:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
This High Tech is frustrating :-)
I finally installed MapDroid and downloaded Thai, Malaysia and
Singapore maps which will likely be all I'll need. I can understand
enough Malaysian to read their map and Singapore, I think, will be in
English so I'm all set, except for Thailand :-( However, generally, in
Bangkok, I will be riding set routes and pretty much will know where
I'm going so I can likely get by knowing where I want to go and
discovering where I am at. At least that is the theory :-)
Then too, the Google Maps will be on the phone for at least a few
weeks, I'm told, so I can (hopefully) fall back on that if all else
fails.
--
Cheers,
John B.
I finally installed MapDroid and downloaded Thai, Malaysia and
Singapore maps which will likely be all I'll need. I can understand
enough Malaysian to read their map and Singapore, I think, will be in
English so I'm all set, except for Thailand :-( However, generally, in
Bangkok, I will be riding set routes and pretty much will know where
I'm going so I can likely get by knowing where I want to go and
discovering where I am at. At least that is the theory :-)
Then too, the Google Maps will be on the phone for at least a few
weeks, I'm told, so I can (hopefully) fall back on that if all else
fails.
--
Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Oct 2, 2012, 9:27:21 AM10/2/12
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:06:08 -0400, Duane H�bert
<duane....@group-upc.com> wrote:
>On 10/01/2012 08:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>> Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
>> 8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
>> to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
>> when I get lost.
>>
>> I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
>
>MotionX, as someone mentioned would probably work well for you then. I
>use it for pretty much the same thing as you describe. You can load a
>route at home over wifi to save downloads. You can turn it on at any
>point and it will find your relative to the route. I'm not sure what
>the maximum distance is but I've used it to plot a driving route from
>Montreal to Halifax which is about 1500km.
>
I don't remember anyone mentioning it but I took a look at it. It
<duane....@group-upc.com> wrote:
>On 10/01/2012 08:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>> Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
>> 8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
>> to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
>> when I get lost.
>>
>> I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
>
>MotionX, as someone mentioned would probably work well for you then. I
>use it for pretty much the same thing as you describe. You can load a
>route at home over wifi to save downloads. You can turn it on at any
>point and it will find your relative to the route. I'm not sure what
>the maximum distance is but I've used it to plot a driving route from
>Montreal to Halifax which is about 1500km.
>
appears to be a iPhone sort of thing, at least it mentions syncing
with iTunes. There may be an android version but the web site seemed
real strong on using it with twitter and facebook, none of which I
care much about.
>To track a route as you ride it, you may try Strava. It doesn't seem to
>use up too much battery as long as you have the screen off. I've tried
>using it as GPS and while it sort of works it only shows where you are
>relative to the saved route. It doesn't direct you.
fine. If not and the other capabilities are useful then I'll do
without.
So far I've pretty well settled on MapDroid as it has a good selection
of world charts, although they are in the local language, but I can
probably get by. "Go down that road until you come to the second big
road and turn left" :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
datakoll
Oct 2, 2012, 9:37:42 AM10/2/12
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the cell phone people emailed.....my phone stays OFF....
YOU ARE NOW ELIGIBLE FOR A NEW PHONE AT DISCOUNT...
and I EMAILED back the Casio waterproof was as new and no new phone...
and the cell phone people said....DOESN'T HE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH NEW PHONES
and I said no I doahn...
so eventually THEY sent out a road warrior int the vast outback pn the shore of Lake Mittry to demo Mifi....causing an immediate sprin to the Verizon Bowteak to therein sign up.
so the doghouse laptop exceeds all BEEP BEEP BEEP expectations. INCROYABLE !!!
when ura connected to the global satellite system, ura covered.
CONSIDER ! when is the GPS most effective ? Off course the situation may not be ura situation but its OUT THERE.
goo tells me YOU now have the op app for an Einstein Brain App op in the event you have time on the subway...
maybe I'll stop n look at the next slab user I see on bench for an EINSTEIN BRAIN APP..
Hi there, down for the winter ? say is that the EINSTEIN BRAIN APP ?
Duane Hébert
Oct 2, 2012, 9:55:01 AM10/2/12
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On 10/02/2012 09:27 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:06:08 -0400, Duane H�bert
> <duane....@group-upc.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/01/2012 08:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
>>> 8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
>>> to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
>>> when I get lost.
>>>
>>> I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
>>
>> MotionX, as someone mentioned would probably work well for you then. I
>> use it for pretty much the same thing as you describe. You can load a
>> route at home over wifi to save downloads. You can turn it on at any
>> point and it will find your relative to the route. I'm not sure what
>> the maximum distance is but I've used it to plot a driving route from
>> Montreal to Halifax which is about 1500km.
>>
> I don't remember anyone mentioning it but I took a look at it. It
> appears to be a iPhone sort of thing, at least it mentions syncing
> with iTunes. There may be an android version but the web site seemed
> real strong on using it with twitter and facebook, none of which I
> care much about.
I'm using iPhone. I assumed it was available for android but didn't check.
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:06:08 -0400, Duane H�bert
> <duane....@group-upc.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/01/2012 08:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I know that GPS uses batteries, which does become a problem on an
>>> 8 hour ride but if I have the on board maps there is no real necessity
>>> to having the GPS on all the time. My main reason for having it is
>>> when I get lost.
>>>
>>> I've got one of those "power Packs" thingies. It works well.
>>
>> MotionX, as someone mentioned would probably work well for you then. I
>> use it for pretty much the same thing as you describe. You can load a
>> route at home over wifi to save downloads. You can turn it on at any
>> point and it will find your relative to the route. I'm not sure what
>> the maximum distance is but I've used it to plot a driving route from
>> Montreal to Halifax which is about 1500km.
>>
> I don't remember anyone mentioning it but I took a look at it. It
> appears to be a iPhone sort of thing, at least it mentions syncing
> with iTunes. There may be an android version but the web site seemed
> real strong on using it with twitter and facebook, none of which I
> care much about.
>> To track a route as you ride it, you may try Strava. It doesn't seem to
>> use up too much battery as long as you have the screen off. I've tried
>> using it as GPS and while it sort of works it only shows where you are
>> relative to the saved route. It doesn't direct you.
>
> Tracking a route is not really a large consideration. If it does it,
> fine. If not and the other capabilities are useful then I'll do
> without.
>
> So far I've pretty well settled on MapDroid as it has a good selection
> of world charts, although they are in the local language, but I can
> probably get by. "Go down that road until you come to the second big
> road and turn left" :-)
John B.
Oct 2, 2012, 8:27:23 PM10/2/12
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:55:01 -0400, Duane H�bert
Well, until the next Technical Innovation comes along :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 3, 2012, 11:30:32 AM10/3/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 07:27:23 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>So it sounds like you're all set.
>
>Well, until the next Technical Innovation comes along :-)
You won't have long to wait for the next mapping nightmare
errr...technical innovation. Please fasten your seat belts.
Helmet mounted heads up GPS display
<http://zeptotools.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/21th-century-chonmage-rider/>
<http://zeptotools.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/further-research-of-arider/>
Well, it's "hands free" which should make the authorities temporarily
happy. When you see bicycle helmets with built in smartphone slots,
you'll know that it's time. Note that bicycle helmets are a popular
mounting system for wearable computahs:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wearable_computer>
Another innovation that I mumbled something about in a past rant was
GPS augmented visualization. It comes in many forms, including
driving aids, landmark identification, automobile vehicle windshield
displays, heads-up displays, etc. The one that I suspect will be most
useful to cyclists is where you use your smartphone to record a video
of a common bicycle commute or ride in the daytime under good visual
conditions (i.e. Google Street View). When you return later, under
not so ideal conditions (rain, fog, darkness, headlight glare), you
display will show the current position view from the video. Your
position would be located by GPS, and your head position by something
like a gamers headpiece. Look in any direction and you'll see what
the recorded video sees with map details added. (I was involved in
prototyping a similar system during the 1970's for maritime harbor
entrance approach under foggy conditions, which went nowhere due to
the costs).
It's also possible that the smartphone of the future will be
modularized (or Balkanized) by splitting it into individual functional
modules interconnected with Bluetooth. The camera would go on your
helmet. The display would fit nicely on the handlebars or on a HUD
(heads up display). The cell phone section would fit into a headset
or attach to the helmet. The map database and cell phone storage
would be on an NAS (network attached storage) device in your pocket.
The RFID and NFC (near field communications) devices would be on your
wrist or finger. All would communicate with each other as needed via
BT or other RF protocol. Welcome to the wearable "Transformer"
smartphone.
<http://www.eprice.com.hk/fun/talk/19/2378/>
wrote:
>>So it sounds like you're all set.
>
>Well, until the next Technical Innovation comes along :-)
errr...technical innovation. Please fasten your seat belts.
Helmet mounted heads up GPS display
<http://zeptotools.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/21th-century-chonmage-rider/>
<http://zeptotools.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/further-research-of-arider/>
Well, it's "hands free" which should make the authorities temporarily
happy. When you see bicycle helmets with built in smartphone slots,
you'll know that it's time. Note that bicycle helmets are a popular
mounting system for wearable computahs:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wearable_computer>
Another innovation that I mumbled something about in a past rant was
GPS augmented visualization. It comes in many forms, including
driving aids, landmark identification, automobile vehicle windshield
displays, heads-up displays, etc. The one that I suspect will be most
useful to cyclists is where you use your smartphone to record a video
of a common bicycle commute or ride in the daytime under good visual
conditions (i.e. Google Street View). When you return later, under
not so ideal conditions (rain, fog, darkness, headlight glare), you
display will show the current position view from the video. Your
position would be located by GPS, and your head position by something
like a gamers headpiece. Look in any direction and you'll see what
the recorded video sees with map details added. (I was involved in
prototyping a similar system during the 1970's for maritime harbor
entrance approach under foggy conditions, which went nowhere due to
the costs).
It's also possible that the smartphone of the future will be
modularized (or Balkanized) by splitting it into individual functional
modules interconnected with Bluetooth. The camera would go on your
helmet. The display would fit nicely on the handlebars or on a HUD
(heads up display). The cell phone section would fit into a headset
or attach to the helmet. The map database and cell phone storage
would be on an NAS (network attached storage) device in your pocket.
The RFID and NFC (near field communications) devices would be on your
wrist or finger. All would communicate with each other as needed via
BT or other RF protocol. Welcome to the wearable "Transformer"
smartphone.
<http://www.eprice.com.hk/fun/talk/19/2378/>
John B.
Oct 3, 2012, 9:25:03 PM10/3/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:30:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
I can see the future cyclist with the integrated helmet, heads up
display visor and neck brace (added mass to helmet requires additional
protection against whip-lash injuries), pedaling along there, towing
the trailer with the ten pound battery used to power it all :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
display visor and neck brace (added mass to helmet requires additional
protection against whip-lash injuries), pedaling along there, towing
the trailer with the ten pound battery used to power it all :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 3, 2012, 10:27:30 PM10/3/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:25:03 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>I can see the future cyclist with the integrated helmet, heads up
>display visor and neck brace (added mass to helmet requires additional
>protection against whip-lash injuries), pedaling along there, towing
>the trailer with the ten pound battery used to power it all :-)
Already been done by Steve Roberts:
<http://microship.com/bike/>
The 1990 version had 105 speeds and weighed 580 lbs total (including
the trailer).
I disagree that the helmet mounted display will require a neck roll.
With much of the bulk and weight of the smartphone moved away from the
display and helmet, the added weight of the panel, microphone, and
earpiece would be minimal.
wrote:
>I can see the future cyclist with the integrated helmet, heads up
>display visor and neck brace (added mass to helmet requires additional
>protection against whip-lash injuries), pedaling along there, towing
>the trailer with the ten pound battery used to power it all :-)
<http://microship.com/bike/>
The 1990 version had 105 speeds and weighed 580 lbs total (including
the trailer).
I disagree that the helmet mounted display will require a neck roll.
With much of the bulk and weight of the smartphone moved away from the
display and helmet, the added weight of the panel, microphone, and
earpiece would be minimal.
John B.
Oct 4, 2012, 6:43:17 AM10/4/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:27:30 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:25:03 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I can see the future cyclist with the integrated helmet, heads up
>>display visor and neck brace (added mass to helmet requires additional
>>protection against whip-lash injuries), pedaling along there, towing
>>the trailer with the ten pound battery used to power it all :-)
>
>Already been done by Steve Roberts:
><http://microship.com/bike/>
>The 1990 version had 105 speeds and weighed 580 lbs total (including
>the trailer).
>
>I disagree that the helmet mounted display will require a neck roll.
>With much of the bulk and weight of the smartphone moved away from the
>display and helmet, the added weight of the panel, microphone, and
>earpiece would be minimal.
Well, if you are going to have a heads up display there has to be
something to project it on and somewhere to put the projector.
And I suppose there will be a word war between those who extol the
advantages and those who would rather ride naked :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:25:03 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I can see the future cyclist with the integrated helmet, heads up
>>display visor and neck brace (added mass to helmet requires additional
>>protection against whip-lash injuries), pedaling along there, towing
>>the trailer with the ten pound battery used to power it all :-)
>
>Already been done by Steve Roberts:
><http://microship.com/bike/>
>The 1990 version had 105 speeds and weighed 580 lbs total (including
>the trailer).
>
>I disagree that the helmet mounted display will require a neck roll.
>With much of the bulk and weight of the smartphone moved away from the
>display and helmet, the added weight of the panel, microphone, and
>earpiece would be minimal.
something to project it on and somewhere to put the projector.
And I suppose there will be a word war between those who extol the
advantages and those who would rather ride naked :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
LF
Oct 10, 2012, 6:28:11 AM10/10/12
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On Monday, October 1, 2012 6:32:44 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
>
> maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
>
I like NavFree (a free app)<http://www.navmii.com/>, available from Google Play Store. It worked well for turn by turn walking directions in Europe, and okay for turn by turn driving directions (although sometime preferring the slow route). I havn't tried it yet in the U.S.A.
> I'm trying to find a GPS application for Android that will use stored
>
> maps and display the position and possibly the route taken.
>
I took the SIM out of my android phone, and used it as a GPS with NavFree.
Best,
Larry
John B.
Oct 10, 2012, 7:18:57 AM10/10/12
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won't work for me although the description sounds like exactly what I
was looking for :-(
--
Cheers,
John B.
datakoll
Oct 10, 2012, 7:50:25 AM10/10/12
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John missed 'GOOGLE GLASS'
The concept 'isnot without merit'....eg I carry a cellphone and Mace
for protection based on experience for person and area.
Many parents cannot allow kids riding out into the countryside today...depends on where you are..there's a broader application here than Cambodia or Yemen.
AS for vision design, the 2008 Ford Van I drive does not light up the road when turning. Tho designed for suburban delivery, a 110 degree or less turn goes unlit.
The concept 'isnot without merit'....eg I carry a cellphone and Mace
for protection based on experience for person and area.
Many parents cannot allow kids riding out into the countryside today...depends on where you are..there's a broader application here than Cambodia or Yemen.
AS for vision design, the 2008 Ford Van I drive does not light up the road when turning. Tho designed for suburban delivery, a 110 degree or less turn goes unlit.
Jeff Liebermann
Oct 11, 2012, 1:27:02 AM10/11/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:18:57 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
<http://www.custommapsapp.com>
<http://www.custommapsapp.com/tutorial>
I haven't tried it (yet).
wrote:
>>Larry
>I had a look at it and it apparently doesn't have any maps for SEA so
>won't work for me although the description sounds like exactly what I
>was looking for :-(
Maybe make your own custom maps?
>I had a look at it and it apparently doesn't have any maps for SEA so
>won't work for me although the description sounds like exactly what I
>was looking for :-(
<http://www.custommapsapp.com>
<http://www.custommapsapp.com/tutorial>
I haven't tried it (yet).
John B.
Oct 11, 2012, 2:26:32 AM10/11/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:27:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:18:57 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>I like NavFree (a free app)<http://www.navmii.com/>,
>>>Larry
>
>>I had a look at it and it apparently doesn't have any maps for SEA so
>>won't work for me although the description sounds like exactly what I
>>was looking for :-(
>
>Maybe make your own custom maps?
><http://www.custommapsapp.com>
><http://www.custommapsapp.com/tutorial>
>I haven't tried it (yet).
Interesting and likely accurate enough for land use :-)
I'll try it out.
Thanks.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:18:57 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>I like NavFree (a free app)<http://www.navmii.com/>,
>>>Larry
>
>>I had a look at it and it apparently doesn't have any maps for SEA so
>>won't work for me although the description sounds like exactly what I
>>was looking for :-(
>
>Maybe make your own custom maps?
><http://www.custommapsapp.com>
><http://www.custommapsapp.com/tutorial>
>I haven't tried it (yet).
I'll try it out.
Thanks.
--
Cheers,
John B.
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