>>> Well, there you have it. There's no end to the problems that can pop
>>> up when engineers have been involved.

>> Worse problems occur when engineers AREN'T involved.

>> I wouldn't hire an engineer to remove a tree, and I wouldn't hire a tree
>> remover to design a bicycle.

> I know people who have gone to school and obtained engineering
> degrees, are "trained" in the functions and procedures, and can even
> "engineer" things (to a degree), but are simply inherently incapable
> of thinking about things from the angles that will lead to a well-
> engineered solution.