Handlebar Mounted Camera Captures License Plate of Vehicle that Hit Two Bicyclists in Berkeley. Arrest made Last Night.

[SMS]

<http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per SMS:
><http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>

And if it hadn't been for the camera?

BTW: The rez looked pretty good to me. Anybody know what kind of
cam was used? Hero?
--
Pete Cresswell

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-28-2012 11:34, SMS wrote:
> <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>

There are a lot of idiots out there with four wheels and a gas tanks.
Not all of them are evil (as this guy apparently is) but they're still
idiots.

However, defending against them might be easier if more of us had good
brains and good behavior. A newspaper article said

> Campbell said the top three type of bicycle-car crashes involve
> turning movements in an intersection; incidents where a motorist
> park a car and then opens a door, striking a bicyclist passing by;
> and when a bicyclist rides on the wrong side of the street.

First one: who's at fault? Could be either.

Second one: Both at fault. Motorist passed bike but doesn't look before
opening door. Bicyclist not thinking if he didn't prepare to stop or go
around in anticipation.

Third: Bicyclist blatantly breaking the law.

In this case, the motorist was clearly evil, and his past record
suggests also stupid. I feel sorry for all the other Michael Medaglias
who are trying to make an honest living but are mixed in the Google
search with the evil idiot.

On the other hand, the lead cyclist at about a minute into the video
went through a stop sign in a traffic lane without slowing down or
looking for traffic. (Hard to see, he might have looked but it looked
like he didn't.)

A bit later, both went straight from a left turn lane, but the video did
not reveal whether they looked.

The stupidest idiot, though, was the commenter who concluded it was
obviously a Christian Republican hate crime.

--
Wes Groleau

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable.
— John F. Kennedy

[SMS]

On 4/28/2012 8:43 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per SMS:
>> <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>
>
> And if it hadn't been for the camera?

Unlikely that there would have been an arrest. No witnesses. Unless the
second cyclist memorized the license plate number.

Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.

[Dan O]

On Apr 28, 11:55 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 8:43 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>
> > Per SMS:

> >> <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-drive...>

>
> > And if it hadn't been for the camera?
>
> Unlikely that there would have been an arrest. No witnesses. Unless the
> second cyclist memorized the license plate number.
>
> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.

The crash was a bummer; catching the driver via the video camera was
great, but saying "you should not go out on a ride without having a
video camera" is even more paranoid ridiculous than saying you should
not go out on a ride without a helmet.

I'd love to have one, but still need rain chaps worse.

[Dan O]

That said, I *do* think the world would be(come) a much better place
for bicyclists if *everyone* had one.

[Frank Krygowski]

SMS wrote:
>
>
> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.

Oh, good grief.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 04-28-2012 11:34, SMS wrote:
>>
>
> > Campbell said the top three type of bicycle-car crashes involve
> > turning movements in an intersection; incidents where a motorist
> > park a car and then opens a door, striking a bicyclist passing by;
> > and when a bicyclist rides on the wrong side of the street.
>
> First one: who's at fault? Could be either.
>
> Second one: Both at fault. Motorist passed bike but doesn't look before
> opening door. Bicyclist not thinking if he didn't prepare to stop or go
> around in anticipation.

I think preparing to stop is impractical, unless you mean riding past
the car at roughly walking speed. It takes less than a second to pop a
car door open. Even a 10 mph cyclist would need to be at least ten feet
behind the car to have a chance of stopping in time.

Just don't ride in the door zone. And remember it's bigger than most
cyclists think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQ7aID1jHs


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jay Beattie]

On Apr 28, 11:18 am, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 04-28-2012 11:34, SMS wrote:
>

> > <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-drive...>

>
> There are a lot of idiots out there with four wheels and a gas tanks.
> Not all of them are evil (as this guy apparently is) but they're still
> idiots.
>
> However, defending against them might be easier if more of us had good
> brains and good behavior.  A newspaper article said
>
>  > Campbell said the top three type of bicycle-car crashes involve
>  > turning movements in an intersection; incidents where a motorist
>  > park a car and then opens a door, striking a bicyclist passing by;
>  > and when a bicyclist rides on the wrong side of the street.
>
> First one: who's at fault?  Could be either.
>
> Second one: Both at fault.  Motorist passed bike but doesn't look before
> opening door.  Bicyclist not thinking if he didn't prepare to stop or go
> around in anticipation.
>
> Third: Bicyclist blatantly breaking the law.
>
> In this case, the motorist was clearly evil, and his past record
> suggests also stupid.  I feel sorry for all the other Michael Medaglias
> who are trying to make an honest living but are mixed in the Google
> search with the evil idiot.
>
> On the other hand, the lead cyclist at about a minute into the video
> went through a stop sign in a traffic lane without slowing down or
> looking for traffic.  (Hard to see, he might have looked but it looked
> like he didn't.)

There is no "on the other hand" -- unless the bad conduct contributed
to the collision, which it did not. I know you're not making this
point, but if you look at the posts below the video on the YouTube
site, some regressive pin-head does, viz., hitting the cyclist was
appropriate pay back for his running a stop sign. I've had people
yell and scream and swerve towards me or cut me off, all the time
claiming that I failed to stop or made an illegal lane change or what
have you. Do they do the same thing with other cars -- swerve in to
them for speeding or changing lanes without a signal, etc., etc? It's
really weird behavior. If I went around enforcing the traffic/vehicle
codes on others, I wouldn't have time to ride my bike.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Frank Krygowski]

Jay Beattie wrote:
> I've had people
> yell and scream and swerve towards me or cut me off, all the time
> claiming that I failed to stop or made an illegal lane change or what
> have you. Do they do the same thing with other cars -- swerve in to
> them for speeding or changing lanes without a signal, etc., etc? It's
> really weird behavior.

Some of them even try to enforce mythical laws.

Perhaps the worst I recall was when a well-known local asshole (a term I
seldom use) blared the horn of his customized whale-tail Porsche at me
in the 25 mph zone in the village center, right in front of the police
station. It wasn't even one blare; it was continuous, and he was
yelling "Pick a lane! Pick a lane!"

But there's only one lane at that point! As I waited for traffic to
clear for my left turn, he stopped and continued yelled "Pick a lane!"
I said "There's only one lane!" but his yelling didn't stop.

And btw, I wasn't even slowing traffic. I always make a point of
breaking the speed limit on that downhill, even with a load of
groceries, and it's plenty wide enough to pass a cyclist if necessary.

The asshole is actually ex-local now, because he went bankrupt and had
to sell his large house and move out of town. I don't think anybody was
the least bit sorry to see him leave.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per SMS:

>Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
>having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.

A series of responses to a YouTube vid from London led me to
believe that it's becoming a more-and-more common practice there.

Maybe as "Hero"-type cameras get cheaper/smaller the trend will
continue.
--
Pete Cresswell

[SMS]

Well I was being sarcastic, but sarcasm doesn't work well on Usenet.

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-28-2012 18:04, Jay Beattie wrote:
> point, but if you look at the posts below the video on the YouTube
> site, some regressive pin-head does, viz., hitting the cyclist was
> appropriate pay back for his running a stop sign. I've had people

Yes, one place where there are more idiots than on the road is a comment
queue on a web site.

--
Wes Groleau

After the christening of his baby brother in church, Jason sobbed
all the way home in the back seat of the car. His father asked him
three times what was wrong. Finally, the boy replied, “That preacher
said he wanted us brought up in a Christian home, and I wanted to
stay with you guys."

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-28-2012 18:12, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> On 04-28-2012 11:34, SMS wrote:
>> > Campbell said the top three type of bicycle-car crashes involve
>> > turning movements in an intersection; incidents where a motorist
>> > park a car and then opens a door, striking a bicyclist passing by;
>> > and when a bicyclist rides on the wrong side of the street.
>>
>> First one: who's at fault? Could be either.
>>
>> Second one: Both at fault. Motorist passed bike but doesn't look before
>> opening door. Bicyclist not thinking if he didn't prepare to stop or go
>> around in anticipation.
>
> I think preparing to stop is impractical, unless you mean riding past

Acting as if the door can't possibly open is practical?

> the car at roughly walking speed. It takes less than a second to pop a
> car door open. Even a 10 mph cyclist would need to be at least ten feet
> behind the car to have a chance of stopping in time.
>
> Just don't ride in the door zone. And remember it's bigger than most
> cyclists think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQ7aID1jHs

I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one
in the care, that is much closer than when there is someone.

I was referring to people who just zip along without paying attention to
anything. Not all of the fools have gas tanks.


--
Wes Groleau

Daily Hoax: http://www.snopes2.com/cgi-bin/random/random.asp

[Dan O]

On Apr 28, 9:13 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 04-28-2012 18:12, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > Wes Groleau wrote:
> >> On 04-28-2012 11:34, SMS wrote:
> >> > Campbell said the top three type of bicycle-car crashes involve
> >> > turning movements in an intersection; incidents where a motorist
> >> > park a car and then opens a door, striking a bicyclist passing by;
> >> > and when a bicyclist rides on the wrong side of the street.
>
> >> First one: who's at fault? Could be either.
>
> >> Second one: Both at fault. Motorist passed bike but doesn't look before
> >> opening door. Bicyclist not thinking if he didn't prepare to stop or go
> >> around in anticipation.
>
> > I think preparing to stop is impractical, unless you mean riding past
>
> Acting as if the door can't possibly open is practical?
>
> > the car at roughly walking speed. It takes less than a second to pop a
> > car door open. Even a 10 mph cyclist would need to be at least ten feet
> > behind the car to have a chance of stopping in time.
>
> > Just don't ride in the door zone. And remember it's bigger than most

> > cyclists think.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQ7aID1jHs

>
> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one
> in the care, that is much closer than when there is someone.
>
> I was referring to people who just zip along without paying attention to
> anything. Not all of the fools have gas tanks.
>

blithe

[Ronko]

In article <4f9c0e01$0$16197$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
scharf...@geemail.com says...
>
>
><http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-
in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>
I take that same route going up to Tunnel Rd all the time, I had no idea
this had occurred. I'm very thankful the 2nd rider had that video; this can
easily be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Clearly this is a hit and
run. The driver making up an easily disproved story about a stolen car will
not play well with the sentencing Judge hopefully.

Glad that both cyclists appear to have not sustained any significant injuries.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per SMS:

>> Maybe as "Hero"-type cameras get cheaper/smaller the trend will
>> continue.
>
>Well I was being sarcastic, but sarcasm doesn't work well on Usenet.

I caught it - and that stuff usually zips right over my head.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Andy Morris]

On 29/04/2012 06:19, Dan O wrote:
>>
>> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one

>> in the car, that is much closer than when there is someone.
>>

I prefer to keep my focus on the road ahead, not checking each car for
occupants as I go past.

Also you have to allow time to notice an occupant, check for traffic
behind and negotiate to move out.

--
Andy Morris
Andy dot Jinkas at Googlemail

[Dan O]

On Apr 29, 2:39 pm, Andy Morris <AndyMor...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> On 29/04/2012 06:19, Dan O wrote:

(Actually, he didn't.)

[Dan O]

On Apr 29, 2:39 pm, Andy Morris <AndyMor...@deadspam.com> wrote:

> ? wrote:
>
> >> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one
> >> in the car, that is much closer than when there is someone.
>
> I prefer to keep my focus on the road ahead, not checking each car for
> occupants as I go past.
>
> Also you have to allow time to notice an occupant, check for traffic
> behind and negotiate to move out.
>

I extoll situational awareness, which includes of course the road
ahead, but much more - everything, actually - or at least as muchof
everything as possible. I don't place a lot of emphasis on looking
for car occupants, don't assume there isn't one just because I don't
see them (and avoid the door zone in any case), but if I do see them,
of course that adds to the probability of the door opening.
Situational awareness is more even that just knowing about current
state, but fully includes incorporating all that into potential
developments.

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Apr 28, 2:55 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 8:43 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>
> > Per SMS:

> >> <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-drive...>

>
> > And if it hadn't been for the camera?
>
> Unlikely that there would have been an arrest. No witnesses. Unless the
> second cyclist memorized the license plate number.
>
> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.

Why not just fasten armour plate all around the bicycle? Even if you
mount a camera on the handlebars or helmet you'd still need to mount a
second one someplace so that it faces and captures everything
approaching from the rear. ;<) VBG LOL

Bicycling is*NOT* all that dangerous compared to many other
activities. Why do so many people pretend that ever rider is risking
maiming or death evertime they mount their bicycle?

Cheers

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:34:11 -0700, SMS <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

><http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>

Notice that they ran through two stop signs. One at the very
beginning at 0:02 and again at 1:17.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Frank Krygowski]

Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 04-28-2012 18:12, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> Wes Groleau wrote:
>>> On 04-28-2012 11:34, SMS wrote:
>>> > Campbell said the top three type of bicycle-car crashes involve
>>> > turning movements in an intersection; incidents where a motorist
>>> > park a car and then opens a door, striking a bicyclist passing by;
>>> > and when a bicyclist rides on the wrong side of the street.
>>>
>>> First one: who's at fault? Could be either.
>>>
>>> Second one: Both at fault. Motorist passed bike but doesn't look before
>>> opening door. Bicyclist not thinking if he didn't prepare to stop or go
>>> around in anticipation.
>>
>> I think preparing to stop is impractical, unless you mean riding past
>
> Acting as if the door can't possibly open is practical?

?? The door _can_ possibly open. Don't ride where it can get you.

>
>> the car at roughly walking speed. It takes less than a second to pop a
>> car door open. Even a 10 mph cyclist would need to be at least ten feet
>> behind the car to have a chance of stopping in time.
>>
>> Just don't ride in the door zone. And remember it's bigger than most
>> cyclists think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQ7aID1jHs
>
> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one in
> the care, that is much closer than when there is someone.

Hmm. It would be very, very unusual for me to trust that I can tell
there's nobody in a car. In most cases, there are obvious difficulties
such as blacked out windows, glare on windows, or simply my going too
fast to have time for a search. Even absent those obvious difficulties,
there's the possibility of a short person or a slouching person hidden
by the driver's headrest.

(Regarding that last: Around here, it's trendy with a certain urban
demographic to drive as reclined and slouched as possible, barely
peeking over the dash. It may be a practical thing with them, as we
regularly hear about shots fired at cars of rival gang members. Somehow
I don't trust those guys to carefully look all around before popping
open their door.)

Anyway, I make it easy on myself. I just think "It's the door zone. I
won't ride there."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Joy Beeson]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:13:21 -0400, Wes Groleau
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one
> in the care, that is much closer than when there is someone.

I was driving my car home one day and saw a flash of light from a
parked car. I kept one eye on that car in case it pulled out in front
of me, but when I passed it, I could see that there was nobody in it,
and concluded that the signal must have flashed because someone
clicked the car's remote.

At least I *thought* that I could see that there was nobody in it.
When I checked my rear-view mirror, I saw the driver's-side door open.
Maybe the driver was bent over getting his briefcase off the floor or
something of the sort when I passed and thought I had a good view of
the interior.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

[datakoll]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-van-deaths-20120429,0,4018499.story

[datakoll]

On Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:29:39 PM UTC-6, datakoll wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-van-deaths-20120429,0,4018499.story

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/04/30/2-Pa-girls-sunbathing-in-road-hit-by-car/UPI-46721335759413/

I was over at Walmex for a dental. Pawsed to marvel at the gP parking lot.
Zooom zoooom

Super said 'they think itsa rodeo"

[datakoll]

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:34:11 AM UTC-6, SMS wrote:
> <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>

last we heard from Mr Maglia, he was stopped by the Fla HP for excessive gas fumes.
Mr M had cut his gas tank in half, stuffed it too full of marijuana bricks wrapped in plastic film, glued it back together, unsuccesfully.

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-29-2012 17:39, Andy Morris wrote:
> On 29/04/2012 06:19, Dan O wrote:
>>> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one
>>> in the car, that is much closer than when there is someone.
>
> I prefer to keep my focus on the road ahead, not checking each car for
> occupants as I go past.
>
> Also you have to allow time to notice an occupant, check for traffic
> behind and negotiate to move out.

At ten to 25 MPH, I have never found it difficult to do all of those
things. If you can't, what's your strategy? Stay to the right and
hope, or stay to the left and piss off the drivers?

--
Wes Groleau

I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
the release of MS-DOS.
— Larry DeLuca

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-29-2012 22:47, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one in

>> the car, that is much closer than when there is someone.

>
> Hmm. It would be very, very unusual for me to trust that I can tell
> there's nobody in a car. In most cases, there are obvious difficulties
> such as blacked out windows, glare on windows, or simply my going too
> fast to have time for a search. Even absent those obvious difficulties,
> there's the possibility of a short person or a slouching person hidden
> by the driver's headrest.

OK, let me rephrase it:

I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one in

the car, that is much closer than when there may be someone.

[Dan O]

On Apr 29, 10:43 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 04-29-2012 17:39, Andy Morris wrote:
>
> > On 29/04/2012 06:19, Dan O wrote:

Can we please, *please* fix the attribution?

> >>> I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one
> >>> in the car, that is much closer than when there is someone.

(I didn't write that.)

On Apr 28, 10:19 pm, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 9:13 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>

<snip>

> > I ride as far to the right as is safe. When I can see there is no one

> > in the care, that is much closer than when there is someone.
>
> > I was referring to people who just zip along without paying attention to
> > anything. Not all of the fools have gas tanks.
>
> blithe

TIFTFY

>
> > I prefer to keep my focus on the road ahead, not checking each car for
> > occupants as I go past.
>
> > Also you have to allow time to notice an occupant, check for traffic
> > behind and negotiate to move out.
>
> At ten to 25 MPH, I have never found it difficult to do all of those
> things. If you can't, what's your strategy? Stay to the right and
> hope, or stay to the left and piss off the drivers?
>

Anybody who gets pissed off about you using enough road to avoid the
door zone hazard is just being unreasonable. Of course, there's a lot
of that going around - unreasonableness, that is.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 4/28/2012 5:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
>> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.
>
> Oh, good grief.
>

In addition to the camera, do not forget to wear your helmet, since
helmets prevent over 69% of leg injuries.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Especially with the fashion in certain groups to recline the seat so
much that the driver can barely see over the dash, along with tinted
windows, it is not possible to accurately determine in some cases if the
vehicle is occupied.

[dusto...@mac.com]

On Apr 29, 9:48 pm, Joy Beeson <jbee...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:13:21 -0400, Wes Groleau
>

> <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > I ride as far to the right as is safe.  When I can see there is no one
> > in the care, that is much closer than when there is someone.
>
> I was driving my car home one day and saw a flash of light from a
> parked car.  I kept one eye on that car in case it pulled out in front
> of me, but when I passed it, I could see that there was nobody in it,
> and concluded that the signal must have flashed because someone
> clicked the car's remote.
>
> At least I *thought* that I could see that there was nobody in it.
> When I checked my rear-view mirror, I saw the driver's-side door open.
> Maybe the driver was bent over getting his briefcase off the floor or
> something of the sort when I passed and thought I had a good view of
> the interior.

It's a classic move. Even if you can see their heads, it doesn't mean
they are using their brains and rearview mirror(s), let alone turning
the skull to look behind them.

"Never give them a shot at you". I know you can't always "enforce"
that maxim but the more you do, IMHO, the better off you are.

Suffice to say, it took a long time in my driving career, but I
finally did see someone yank it out of a parallel street-parking slot
without even glancing in the rearview, forcing not me, but the car
ahead of me , to jam all over his brakes to avoid a collision. He got
it stopped, and then the officer turned his roof lights on.

Whoops!


I would have loved to hang around to see the Giving a Shithead a Nice
Big Fat Ticket While Checking for License, Insurance, Inspection
Sticker, and Outstanding Arrest Warrants Ceremony but we had a plane
to catch, and those usually last as long as possible so the Attitude
Check can be valid.

This was a very close, barely-missed-him encounter, approx. 30mph on a
busy multi-lane, so I'm sure at least the first installment of Traffic
School was also held on-scene.
--D-y

[AMuzi]

Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 5:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> SMS wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
>>> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.
>>
>> Oh, good grief.
>>
>
> In addition to the camera, do not forget to wear your helmet, since
> helmets prevent over 69% of leg injuries.
>

My left knee has been a little stiff this week.
Would a helmet help that?
Do I only need 1/2 a helmet if it's only one knee?

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 4/30/2012 4:05 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
> Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 4/28/2012 5:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> SMS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
>>>> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.
>>>
>>> Oh, good grief.
>>>
>>
>> In addition to the camera, do not forget to wear your helmet, since
>> helmets prevent over 69% of leg injuries.
>>
>
> My left knee has been a little stiff this week.
> Would a helmet help that?
> Do I only need 1/2 a helmet if it's only one knee?
>

Keep in mind that half-helmets are for half-wits, so no, you do not want
to wear one.

[Dan O]

On Apr 30, 2:03 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI

$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 5:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > SMS wrote:
>
> >> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
> >> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.
>
> > Oh, good grief.
>
> In addition to the camera, do not forget to wear your helmet, since
> helmets prevent over 69% of leg injuries.
>

As someone with a lot of crash experience, I think maybe a hard shell
helmet can allow you to tumble whole body with the flow in a more
relaxed fashion, since you're not focused so much on preventing every
little knock and scuff to the head.

[James]

And no helmet for the witless.

--
JS.

[AMuzi]

[raises hand]

[James]

Not aimed at you, Mr. Muzi. Was pointing out the silliness of The Tank,
following his logic.

--
JS.

[AMuzi]

No offense taken, out here on the absurd edge of this thread.

[Frank Krygowski]

Do you not realize you may have it exactly backwards?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[datakoll]

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:34:11 AM UTC-6, SMS wrote:
> <http://albany.patch.com/articles/berkeley-police-arrest-alleged-driver-in-hit-and-run-with-cyclists>

STORY WAS ON ABC GOOD MORNING AMERICA, yahoo tells me.

[James]

I realise you could not help but bite, and that you admit to not knowing
the answer. Otherwise you would have asserted that I have it backwards,
rather than "may" have it backwards.

I turned right last night, under the rail bridge in Ringwood, and sharp
left up Bedford Rd. The pedestrian crossing was empty and the
pedestrians had a red stop signal, on Bedford Rd. Never the less, I was
prepared for a witless fool to be crossing around the corner where I
couldn't see before committing to the turn. Sure enough, a ped was on
the road and heading into my path. "Oy", I shouted. He jumped back and
spilled his can of alcohol. He yelled something back while looking at
me and began walking across the road again. The next car to turn also
only just missed him, and he was not aware of its presence until after
it had passed as he was still looking the wrong way and not on the
crossing. Yes, he was witless and helmet-less. He might have benefited
from wearing one in his state, though not to save his legs.

--
JS.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

This type of half-helmet:
<http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/pics/Helmets/arai_cutaway.jpg>.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Damn, I wish I had video of my stay on my feet dismount as 560 pounds of
Honda went sliding across the pavement. Was wearing a Snell M2010
certified full-face lid at the time, not to mention armored track
gloves, a textile suit with CE Level 1 ballistic pads, and SiDi track boots.

Class was postponed as the instructor almost wiped out riding the next
demo. I blame the combination of bleed oil from new asphaltic cement
concrete combined with rain.

[Frank Krygowski]

James wrote:
> On 01/05/12 11:58, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> On 01/05/12 08:43, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that half-helmets are for half-wits, so no, you do not
>>>> want
>>>> to wear one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And no helmet for the witless.
>>
>> Do you not realize you may have it exactly backwards?
>>
>
> I realise you could not help but bite, and that you admit to not knowing
> the answer. Otherwise you would have asserted that I have it backwards,
> rather than "may" have it backwards.

I was being diplomatic.

> I turned right last night, under the rail bridge in Ringwood, and sharp
> left up Bedford Rd. The pedestrian crossing was empty and the
> pedestrians had a red stop signal, on Bedford Rd. Never the less, I was
> prepared for a witless fool to be crossing around the corner where I
> couldn't see before committing to the turn. Sure enough, a ped was on
> the road and heading into my path. "Oy", I shouted. He jumped back and
> spilled his can of alcohol. He yelled something back while looking at me
> and began walking across the road again. The next car to turn also only
> just missed him, and he was not aware of its presence until after it had
> passed as he was still looking the wrong way and not on the crossing.
> Yes, he was witless and helmet-less. He might have benefited from
> wearing one in his state, though not to save his legs.

Will Australians start campaigning for drunk pedestrian helmets? Why,
if only _one_ staggering sot can be saved...!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[James]

On 02/05/12 00:41, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> James wrote:
>> On 01/05/12 11:58, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> James wrote:
>>>> On 01/05/12 08:43, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that half-helmets are for half-wits, so no, you do not
>>>>> want
>>>>> to wear one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And no helmet for the witless.
>>>
>>> Do you not realize you may have it exactly backwards?
>>>
>>
>> I realise you could not help but bite, and that you admit to not knowing
>> the answer. Otherwise you would have asserted that I have it backwards,
>> rather than "may" have it backwards.
>
> I was being diplomatic.

Most unusual.

>> I turned right last night, under the rail bridge in Ringwood, and sharp
>> left up Bedford Rd. The pedestrian crossing was empty and the
>> pedestrians had a red stop signal, on Bedford Rd. Never the less, I was
>> prepared for a witless fool to be crossing around the corner where I
>> couldn't see before committing to the turn. Sure enough, a ped was on
>> the road and heading into my path. "Oy", I shouted. He jumped back and
>> spilled his can of alcohol. He yelled something back while looking at me
>> and began walking across the road again. The next car to turn also only
>> just missed him, and he was not aware of its presence until after it had
>> passed as he was still looking the wrong way and not on the crossing.
>> Yes, he was witless and helmet-less. He might have benefited from
>> wearing one in his state, though not to save his legs.
>
> Will Australians start campaigning for drunk pedestrian helmets? Why, if
> only _one_ staggering sot can be saved...!

I doubt the counting would stop at one, and it wouldn't bother me if
drunk pedestrians were required to wear a helmet. Hopefully they would
also need to sign a waiver that absolves all other road users from
reprisal should they injure a drunk pedestrian.

--
JS.

[Chalo]

Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> SMS wrote:
> >
> > Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
> > having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.
>
> Oh, good grief.

He left out a critical detail.

The camera should always be on a boom behind the cyclist's helmet, so
that the helmet is in the picture. A cyclist not wearing a helmet is
presumed to be at fault, even if there is video evidence incriminating
a motorist.

Chalo

[AMuzi]

Or, in our brave new century, just use the app for
'superimpose helmet image in video'.

[Chalo]

AMuzi wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>
> >> SMS wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bottom line is that you should not go out on a ride without everyone
> >>> having a video camera on their handlebars or helmet.
> >>
> >> Oh, good grief.
> >
> > He left out a critical detail.
> >
> > The camera should always be on a boom behind the cyclist's helmet, so
> > that the helmet is in the picture.  A cyclist not wearing a helmet is
> > presumed to be at fault, even if there is video evidence incriminating
> > a motorist.
>

> Or, in our brave new century, just use the app for
> 'superimpose helmet image in video'.

Ah. In the bad old days, we used to do that sort of thing with a
decal on the screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK_pwMItCPM

Chalo