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 More options Sep 29 2012, 11:48 pm
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 20:48:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Sep 29 2012 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: Bike Friday Tikit warning
On Sep 29, 9:26 pm, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 29, 5:43 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > On 09-29-2012 08:46, DirtRoadie wrote:

> > > Well, there you have it. There's no end to the problems that can pop
> > > up when engineers have been involved.

> > Worse problems occur when engineers AREN'T involved.

> > I wouldn't hire an engineer to remove a tree, and I wouldn't hire a tree
> > remover to design a bicycle.

> I know people who have gone to school and obtained engineering
> degrees, are "trained" in the functions and procedures, and can even
> "engineer" things (to a degree), but are simply inherently incapable
> of thinking about things from the angles that will lead to a well-
> engineered solution.

Think of it this way- how could an engineer even consider
"engineering" a bike without some concept of what constitutes a "good"
bike.
And that understanding comes from feedback of those who know the
difference.
I think it's pretty clear that someone like Frank (since we are
speaking in generalities) reaches "this is good enough" (for something
engineered by someone else) and can neither envision nor grasp what
might be "better." At that point it becomes his "faith" which he
defends kicking and screaming about his "data" or raising straw
arguments that do little more than prove his lack of understanding.
Dylan's line "don't criticize what you can't understand" covers it.
Frank's "understanding (our prime example)  ended last century. Now he
spends all his time using misquotes, partial or inapplicable facts and
smarminess in order to claim some great vision or knowledge. Sad.
DR

 
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