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INSANE Price! Shimano Deore XT ii thumbshifters 7 speed NOS $349.00 US
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Sir Ridesalot
Dec 28, 2011, 8:46:37 PM12/28/11
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Hey Andrew.
Is the shop selling these anywhere near you? They're in Madison,
Wisconsin.
I know that some NOS items are expensive but $349.00 US for a pair of
NOS Deore thumbshifters seems a bit high to me. Am I the only one who
thinks this is an insane price to be asking for these?
Here's the link to them.
>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Deore-XT-ii-thumbshifters-7-speed-NOS-top-mount-mountain-bike-bicycle-/290617732867?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43aa2aaf03<
Cheers
Is the shop selling these anywhere near you? They're in Madison,
Wisconsin.
I know that some NOS items are expensive but $349.00 US for a pair of
NOS Deore thumbshifters seems a bit high to me. Am I the only one who
thinks this is an insane price to be asking for these?
Here's the link to them.
>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Deore-XT-ii-thumbshifters-7-speed-NOS-top-mount-mountain-bike-bicycle-/290617732867?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43aa2aaf03<
Cheers
Chalo
Dec 28, 2011, 11:17:13 PM12/28/11
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
> I know that some NOS items are expensive but $349.00 US for a pair of
> NOS Deore thumbshifters seems a bit high to me. Am I the only one who
> thinks this is an insane price to be asking for these?
>
> Here's the link to them.
>
> >http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Deore-XT-ii-thumbshifters-7-speed-N...<
>
> I know that some NOS items are expensive but $349.00 US for a pair of
> NOS Deore thumbshifters seems a bit high to me. Am I the only one who
> thinks this is an insane price to be asking for these?
>
> Here's the link to them.
>
Well, nobody has bought them. It's not insane to ask for an absurd
price; it's only overly optimistic.
The really insane thing is that nobody is offering a new equivalent
(all metal, high quality, index/friction switchable). There's really
no excuse for that, considering the proliferation of bullshit index
shifters in all sorts of less desirable configurations.
I recently bagged a set of like-new Deore XT 6 speed thumbshifters for
$30, which I consider reasonable even if 6sp is less useful than 7sp.
It does offer the promise of a near-dishless rear wheel on 135mm
spacing, with durable $12-15 freewheels as a bonus.
Chalo
Jim Rogers
Dec 29, 2011, 9:29:02 AM12/29/11
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> It does offer the promise of a near-dishless rear wheel on 135mm
> spacing, with durable $12-15 freewheels as a bonus.
I also use freewheels-- I got a bunch of SunTour Ultra-6's for about
$12 a piece a few years ago. Allows me to build a dishless wheel on my
122mm spaced Phil hub (using an offset rim).
Because I already have the freewheel hub and stash of freewheels, I'm
pretty committed to that system so I've stuck with them and am not
arguing anything.
You used to advocate for freewheels on the basis of them being more
widely available and the possibility for larger, unthreaded axles.
However, many of those arguments are approaching 10 years old now
(surely the cassette is the more readily available system now), and
I'm not aware of mass failures of freehub axles, so I was just curious
why you still like them.
Is the need for a larger axle to handle your large size the main
reason; i.e., is that the durability you mention? Or is there a
different rationale that I can use to justify my use of them? :)
Jay Beattie
Dec 29, 2011, 10:36:11 AM12/29/11
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and if you go six speed, so are the chains -- and the chains are more
durable. Cheap freewheels are heavy and may or may not be well sealed
or have good bearings, etc., etc., but hey, you can buy three for the
price of cassettes. Personally, I like having more gears since I live
in a hilly environment, and I like the better seals on my cassette
body.
-- Jay Beattie.
AMuzi
Dec 29, 2011, 12:33:56 PM12/29/11
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with no interest or activity since last summer.
meh.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
AMuzi
Dec 29, 2011, 12:54:40 PM12/29/11
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'phantom click' for seven speed systems.
thirty-six
Dec 29, 2011, 2:10:05 PM12/29/11
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years. Freehub clutches fail. Problem with freewheel is user
related, problem with freehub is in the design. I can use an oilcan,
I can undesign a freehub, same answer, a freewheel unit.
Jay Beattie
Dec 29, 2011, 5:44:43 PM12/29/11
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On Dec 29, 9:33 am, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> > Hey Andrew.
>
> > Is the shop selling these anywhere near you? They're in Madison,
> > Wisconsin.
>
> > I know that some NOS items are expensive but $349.00 US for a pair of
> > NOS Deore thumbshifters seems a bit high to me. Am I the only one who
> > thinks this is an insane price to be asking for these?
>
> > Here's the link to them.
>
> >>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Deore-XT-ii-thumbshifters-7-speed-N...<
> Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> > Hey Andrew.
>
> > Is the shop selling these anywhere near you? They're in Madison,
> > Wisconsin.
>
> > I know that some NOS items are expensive but $349.00 US for a pair of
> > NOS Deore thumbshifters seems a bit high to me. Am I the only one who
> > thinks this is an insane price to be asking for these?
>
> > Here's the link to them.
>
>
> Compare his other offerings such as a Jubile Sport for $849
> with no interest or activity since last summer.
>
> meh.
There wasn't all that much interest or activity when the things were
> Compare his other offerings such as a Jubile Sport for $849
> with no interest or activity since last summer.
>
> meh.
new. IIRC, the touring version was notorious for getting eaten by
freewheels.
I can't figure out why people pay so much money for new old shit on
eBay. You must be sitting on a gold mine. You should put all those
old parts in a fund and sell shares. We can start speculating in
parts!
-- Jay Beattie.
AMuzi
Dec 29, 2011, 5:59:02 PM12/29/11
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http://bike123.com/
He has oodles of vintage good used equipment.
We buy NOS wherever it might be found but there's more
demand than supply for many pieces.
Chalo
Dec 29, 2011, 8:48:28 PM12/29/11
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Jim Rogers wrote:
- Freewheels are inexpensive and more durable than cassettes (assuming
that a cluster will be replaced as soon as a single sprocket wears
out).
- Freewheels allow easier adjustment of spacing, chainline, and flange
offset than cassette hubs. Narrower freewheels allow even more
latitude.
- Freewheels allow a maximum axle diameter of 19mm (for Shimano
pattern remover spline). Cassettes allow maximum axle diameter of
10mm for Shimano pattern cassette bodies; 12mm for less reliable
sealed bearing bodies.
- When using freewheels, you get a new ratchet and bearings every time
you replace the sprockets. Usually, the pawls are at a larger radius
than those of a cassette, and the bearings are always larger in
diameter with more numerous balls.
There are reasons to prefer cassettes, especially if you want 8 or
more sprockets in back. I have bikes with freewheels, bikes with
gearhubs, bikes with coaster brakes, and at least one with a cassette
at any given time. They all work just fine, and they all have their
strengths and drawbacks.
> I also use freewheels-- I got a bunch of SunTour Ultra-6's for about
> $12 a piece a few years ago. Allows me to build a dishless wheel on my
> 122mm spaced Phil hub (using an offset rim).
That's a great example of a hub that never needed to be made in a
cassette version. That axle is no more prone to failure than the axle
in any cassette hub.
> You used to advocate for freewheels on the basis of them being more
> widely available and the possibility for larger, unthreaded axles.
>
> However, many of those arguments are approaching 10 years old now
> (surely the cassette is the more readily available system now),
In eight and nine speed, yes. Seven speed is a wash, though cassettes
come in more sizes. Six speed freewheels are easy to find, while six
speed cassettes are almost unobtainable. Three, four, and five speed
cassettes are not available at all, though I've seen a couple of
freehub bodies in widths intended for four or five sprockets.
> Is the need for a larger axle to handle your large size the main
> reason; i.e., is that the durability you mention?
Ordinary sized folks bend 8-10mm axles, strip their threads, break
them at the small end of the cone, or spall the bearing surfaces on
small diameter cones all the time. I fix these problems at work
almost every day. Cassette hubs reduce axle bending and breakage to a
tolerable level for most people, but they don't do anything at all
about thread stripping or cone pitting. All the problems I mentioned
can be remedied by using larger diameter axles.
Chalo
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > It does offer the promise of a near-dishless rear wheel on 135mm
> > spacing, with durable $12-15 freewheels as a bonus.
>
> Do you still prefer freewheels over freehubs? If so, why?
Reasons to prefer freewheels to cassettes:
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > It does offer the promise of a near-dishless rear wheel on 135mm
> > spacing, with durable $12-15 freewheels as a bonus.
>
> Do you still prefer freewheels over freehubs? If so, why?
- Freewheels are inexpensive and more durable than cassettes (assuming
that a cluster will be replaced as soon as a single sprocket wears
out).
- Freewheels allow easier adjustment of spacing, chainline, and flange
offset than cassette hubs. Narrower freewheels allow even more
latitude.
- Freewheels allow a maximum axle diameter of 19mm (for Shimano
pattern remover spline). Cassettes allow maximum axle diameter of
10mm for Shimano pattern cassette bodies; 12mm for less reliable
sealed bearing bodies.
- When using freewheels, you get a new ratchet and bearings every time
you replace the sprockets. Usually, the pawls are at a larger radius
than those of a cassette, and the bearings are always larger in
diameter with more numerous balls.
There are reasons to prefer cassettes, especially if you want 8 or
more sprockets in back. I have bikes with freewheels, bikes with
gearhubs, bikes with coaster brakes, and at least one with a cassette
at any given time. They all work just fine, and they all have their
strengths and drawbacks.
> I also use freewheels-- I got a bunch of SunTour Ultra-6's for about
> $12 a piece a few years ago. Allows me to build a dishless wheel on my
> 122mm spaced Phil hub (using an offset rim).
cassette version. That axle is no more prone to failure than the axle
in any cassette hub.
> You used to advocate for freewheels on the basis of them being more
> widely available and the possibility for larger, unthreaded axles.
>
> However, many of those arguments are approaching 10 years old now
> (surely the cassette is the more readily available system now),
come in more sizes. Six speed freewheels are easy to find, while six
speed cassettes are almost unobtainable. Three, four, and five speed
cassettes are not available at all, though I've seen a couple of
freehub bodies in widths intended for four or five sprockets.
> Is the need for a larger axle to handle your large size the main
> reason; i.e., is that the durability you mention?
them at the small end of the cone, or spall the bearing surfaces on
small diameter cones all the time. I fix these problems at work
almost every day. Cassette hubs reduce axle bending and breakage to a
tolerable level for most people, but they don't do anything at all
about thread stripping or cone pitting. All the problems I mentioned
can be remedied by using larger diameter axles.
Chalo
kolldata
Dec 29, 2011, 8:05:53 PM12/29/11
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yeah musing on stopping bye an LBS...hey you know whothe unmentionable
is up the road...check out carbon wheels....like I was handed a $700
kayak paddle....you know the weight yet reality is vaporous...until
the credit statement floats in, blade floats out following
rockcrevase.
the over to Universal after USGS and LO ! UC servbed up a batch of
Campy shifters at the same is level.
so what does a quality cycle cost this year ?
I have several mint 5 speed clusters
is up the road...check out carbon wheels....like I was handed a $700
kayak paddle....you know the weight yet reality is vaporous...until
the credit statement floats in, blade floats out following
rockcrevase.
the over to Universal after USGS and LO ! UC servbed up a batch of
Campy shifters at the same is level.
so what does a quality cycle cost this year ?
I have several mint 5 speed clusters
Chalo
Dec 29, 2011, 8:54:19 PM12/29/11
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AMuzi wrote:
something millimeter intervals instead of 5.0mm intervals as employed
on seven-speed. I could probably persuade it to work somehow, though,
or even add spacing to a 7sp cassette on an 8sp body. Thanks for the
reminder.
Chalo
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > I recently bagged a set of like-new Deore XT 6 speed thumbshifters for
> > $30, which I consider reasonable even if 6sp is less useful than 7sp.
> > It does offer the promise of a near-dishless rear wheel on 135mm
> > spacing, with durable $12-15 freewheels as a bonus.
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > I recently bagged a set of like-new Deore XT 6 speed thumbshifters for
> > $30, which I consider reasonable even if 6sp is less useful than 7sp.
> > It does offer the promise of a near-dishless rear wheel on 135mm
> > spacing, with durable $12-15 freewheels as a bonus.
>
> Your XT-6 top shifters have the undocumented feature
> 'phantom click' for seven speed systems.
My impression is that six-speed index systems are spaced at five-point-
> 'phantom click' for seven speed systems.
something millimeter intervals instead of 5.0mm intervals as employed
on seven-speed. I could probably persuade it to work somehow, though,
or even add spacing to a 7sp cassette on an 8sp body. Thanks for the
reminder.
Chalo
Jim Rogers
Dec 29, 2011, 10:22:07 PM12/29/11
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Jim Rogers
Dec 29, 2011, 10:25:27 PM12/29/11
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anyone express that much support for freewheels on this forum. Now
I'll have some ammunition when someone looks down on my gear system!
kolldata
Dec 29, 2011, 11:21:10 PM12/29/11
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it spinning at what mileage ? compared to a freehub.
was the Woods bought at discount ?
bike carries a friction shifter ?
petp...@gmail.com
Jun 16, 2013, 4:06:36 AM6/16/13
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Hey there,...
I think I bought the pair you are talking about,...
Yes,...the price was insane but I've had a few months to reflect
on why, exactly, I bought them.
Simply, they are the best shifters ever.
Unfortunately, I am still trying to figure out how to use them.
I can't bring myself to pry the staples from the packaging.
It is like handling a Boba Fett doll in its most nerd pristine
condition.
Godammit,...I'm a nerd,...
I hope this helped,...(sigh)
I think I bought the pair you are talking about,...
Yes,...the price was insane but I've had a few months to reflect
on why, exactly, I bought them.
Simply, they are the best shifters ever.
Unfortunately, I am still trying to figure out how to use them.
I can't bring myself to pry the staples from the packaging.
It is like handling a Boba Fett doll in its most nerd pristine
condition.
Godammit,...I'm a nerd,...
I hope this helped,...(sigh)
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