On May 21, 6:18 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On May 21, 1:23 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
> > The Yamaha TX650 used constant-velocity carburetors, overhead cams, and
> > a horizontally split engine case instead of a vertically split case,
> > unlike the Triumph 650 parallel twin.
> Let's just add to that. And it had an electric starter (from the XS2
> on, anyway), gear primary drive.... I'm biased because I've had half
> a dozen XS650s and absolutely loved all of them. Especially the one
> that had an Alf Hagon 750cc grass-track kit in it.
The Yamaha was a lame flattrack bike. The Harleys were much faster on
the ovals, and the British bikes were much better (powerband and
torque) on the TT's. Triumph was far and away the preferred TT bike.
> On May 21, 6:18 am, "TOG@Toil"<totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On May 21, 1:23 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
>> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>>> The Yamaha TX650 used constant-velocity carburetors, overhead cams, and
>>> a horizontally split engine case instead of a vertically split case,
>>> unlike the Triumph 650 parallel twin.
>> Let's just add to that. And it had an electric starter (from the XS2
>> on, anyway), gear primary drive.... I'm biased because I've had half
>> a dozen XS650s and absolutely loved all of them. Especially the one
>> that had an Alf Hagon 750cc grass-track kit in it.
> The Yamaha was a lame flattrack bike. The Harleys were much faster on
> the ovals, and the British bikes were much better (powerband and
> torque) on the TT's. Triumph was far and away the preferred TT bike.
> <snip>
By modern standards, they all have lousy handling and brakes.
Daryl wrote:
> In 20 years, no one else will remember your bikes. They are nice and
> do what you wish for them to do so you will remember them. But the
> 68 Norton Commando will still be sought after and remembered by
> many.
Inasmuch as the Norton is a fine bike, who really remembers? It has a
place only with those who take an interest.
My 1987 Suzuki LS650 Savage is still in production 25 years later as the
Boulevard S40. So someone remembered it.
> My Honda NT700V [1] is not noisy. Several of my neighbors have > pick-em-up trucks that are much louder.
> [1] The choice of Polite Forces (sic) worldwide.
Inasmuch as the "loud pipes save lives" crowd would swear, some of us
like stock pipes. We still have our hearing intact. :-)
Some jurisdictions are cracking down on the loud piped motorcycles.
Hence, it has revised my view on pipe upgrades. If one wants something
louder, choose wisely toward something a little mellower. I'd prefer a
nice throaty sound to an openly blatant one.
>> In 20 years, no one else will remember your bikes. They are nice and
>> do what you wish for them to do so you will remember them. But the
>> 68 Norton Commando will still be sought after and remembered by
>> many.
> Inasmuch as the Norton is a fine bike, who really remembers? It has a
> place only with those who take an interest.
> My 1987 Suzuki LS650 Savage is still in production 25 years later as the
> Boulevard S40. So someone remembered it.
One could argue that the Honda Super Cub is the greatest motorcycle ever. After all, no other motorcycle gets anywhere as many people to work and market (60+ million sold) every day for so long (53 years and counting). And of course, you meet the nicest people on a Super Cub.
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>> My Honda NT700V [1] is not noisy. Several of my neighbors have
>> pick-em-up trucks that are much louder.
>> [1] The choice of Polite Forces (sic) worldwide.
> Inasmuch as the "loud pipes save lives" crowd would swear, some of us
> like stock pipes. We still have our hearing intact. :-)
> Some jurisdictions are cracking down on the loud piped motorcycles.
> Hence, it has revised my view on pipe upgrades. If one wants something
> louder, choose wisely toward something a little mellower. I'd prefer a
> nice throaty sound to an openly blatant one.
I wish my Yamaha TW200 made less noise, especially since the exhaust note is quite harsh.
On the Honda NT700V, NHX110, and CBR600F4i, wind noise drowns out the exhaust at highway speeds (at least with foam earplugs and a full-face lid), expect for the F4i running over 9K rpm. The induction on the NT700V make more noise than the exhaust (at least to the rider position).
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> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
> considered Mon, 21 May 2012 21:20:59 -0500 the perfect time to write:
>> On 5/21/2012 9:04 PM, Dan O wrote:
>>> On May 21, 6:18 am, "TOG@Toil"<totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On May 21, 1:23 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
>>>> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>> The Yamaha TX650 used constant-velocity carburetors, overhead cams, and
>>>>> a horizontally split engine case instead of a vertically split case,
>>>>> unlike the Triumph 650 parallel twin.
>>>> Let's just add to that. And it had an electric starter (from the XS2
>>>> on, anyway), gear primary drive.... I'm biased because I've had half
>>>> a dozen XS650s and absolutely loved all of them. Especially the one
>>>> that had an Alf Hagon 750cc grass-track kit in it.
>>> The Yamaha was a lame flattrack bike. The Harleys were much faster on
>>> the ovals, and the British bikes were much better (powerband and
>>> torque) on the TT's. Triumph was far and away the preferred TT bike.
>>> <snip>
>> By modern standards, they all have lousy handling and brakes.
> That was just the first Honda to finally solve the problem of failing
> camchain tensioners.
> There were plenty of other machines that "got it right" before that.
> And were far more practical for ordinary street use.
Not when you are pushing the limits of traction around a corner. The RC30 was the first street legal motorcycle with really good handling. You have to have ridden something as well designed (such as the super-sports of the last decade or so) to understand.
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> The > RC30 was the first street legal motorcycle with really good handling.
This is so wrong that it's hard to know where to start. And you were
beginning to do so well, too.
-- Kawasaki GTR1000 Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple
Yamaha Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2
So many bikes, so little garage space.... chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
> On 5/19/2012 4:59 AM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/19/2012 12:57 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2012 12:18 PM, @*o*@ wrote:
>>>> On May 15, 7:06 pm, !Jones<sdafc...@lsdhf.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyway, they were all wearing a beautifully embroidered patch
>>>>> on their
>>>>> costumes... it said: "Lone Wolf Motorcycle Club".
>>>>> Huh?
>>>> Back in the mid-1970's when everybody and his brother and
>>>> sister and
>>>> grandma (!) were riding dirt cheap Japanese motorcycles, they
>>>> still
>>>> wanted to look
>>>> like bikers, so they wore engineer boots and levis and cutoff
>>>> levi
>>>> jackets, but, since they weren't in an MC, they couldn't wear a
>>>> patch
>>>> and they all looked like they
>>>> were *prospects* for some outlaw club.
>>>> [...]
>> Not me. While the clothes are functional, the bike tucks your legs
>> behind your hips. Taking a crotch rocket and making full dress,
>> you end
>> up with the pegs tucked like that. There are very few bikes
>> made today
>> that don't do this.
> Having the foot pegs back on the NT700V (which subjectively feel
> much further forward than those on the CBR600F4i) allows for
> easier standing and body repositioning than the cruiser
> foot-forward position.
> In fact, when I ride my Honda Elite [1] I often put my feet back
> so my heels are just below the "PGM-FI" stickers rather than on
> the floorboards, to allow for body positioning while cornering
> and some grip on the seat with my legs.
> And I would rather be seen on a scooter than a H-D - I want to be
> the "Nicest Person You Meet on a Honda", not a pretend "bad-ass
> 1% MC member". And of course, my lid [2] does *not* go well with
> a H-D. :)
On you Scooter (not the same as HD is nicked) You had better be the nicest person you meet on a honda or anything else for that matter. Your peg position has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated. You have a step through scooter, not a MC.
> On 5/19/2012 11:04 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/19/2012 4:59 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2012 12:57 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2012 12:18 PM, @*o*@ wrote:
>>>>> On May 15, 7:06 pm, !Jones<sdafc...@lsdhf.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Anyway, they were all wearing a beautifully embroidered patch
>>>>>> on their
>>>>>> costumes... it said: "Lone Wolf Motorcycle Club".
>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>> Back in the mid-1970's when everybody and his brother and
>>>>> sister and
>>>>> grandma (!) were riding dirt cheap Japanese motorcycles, they
>>>>> still
>>>>> wanted to look
>>>>> like bikers, so they wore engineer boots and levis and cutoff
>>>>> levi
>>>>> jackets, but, since they weren't in an MC, they couldn't wear a
>>>>> patch
>>>>> and they all looked like they
>>>>> were *prospects* for some outlaw club.
>>>>> [...]
>>> Not me. While the clothes are functional, the bike tucks your legs
>>> behind your hips. Taking a crotch rocket and making full dress,
>>> you end
>>> up with the pegs tucked like that. There are very few bikes
>>> made today
>>> that don't do this.
>> Having the foot pegs back on the NT700V (which subjectively feel
>> much further forward than those on the CBR600F4i) allows for
>> easier standing and body repositioning than the cruiser
>> foot-forward position.
>> In fact, when I ride my Honda Elite [1] I often put my feet back
>> so my heels are just below the "PGM-FI" stickers rather than on
>> the floorboards, to allow for body positioning while cornering
>> and some grip on the seat with my legs.
>> And I would rather be seen on a scooter than a H-D - I want to be
>> the "Nicest Person You Meet on a Honda", not a pretend "bad-ass
>> 1% MC member". And of course, my lid [2] does *not* go well with
>> a H-D. :)
> You had better be the
> nicest person you meet on a honda or anything else for that matter.
Why? Do I get to be not nice on a non-scooter-motorcycle? Even my Yamaha TW200? Hard to imagine being bad-ass on the funky and wheezy but fun TW200. :)
And of course, one cannot be bad-ass while wearing helmet ears.
> Your
> peg position has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated. You have a
> step through scooter, not a MC.
Legally, my NHX110 is a motorcycle [1], and by many conventions would be called a "scooter-motorcycle". And, yes it is a step-through design, and can be ridden with feet forward on the floorboard, or as I wrote, with the feet back behind the vertical projection of the rider's knees, as the floor boards are wider than the bodywork. Sit on the current Elite (Lead 110 in the UK) and you will understand.
[1] It has a motorcycle license plate, the VIN plate says it is a motorcycle, and I need a motorcycle endorsement (no graduated licensing here in Iowa) to legally ride it on public roads (unlike a Honda "small" Ruckus or Metropolitan, which require only a automotive license, but have to fly an orange flag).
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> On 5/22/2012 7:11 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/19/2012 11:04 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2012 4:59 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 5/19/2012 12:57 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>>>> On 5/17/2012 12:18 PM, @*o*@ wrote:
>>>>>> On May 15, 7:06 pm, !Jones<sdafc...@lsdhf.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Anyway, they were all wearing a beautifully embroidered patch
>>>>>>> on their
>>>>>>> costumes... it said: "Lone Wolf Motorcycle Club".
>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>> Back in the mid-1970's when everybody and his brother and
>>>>>> sister and
>>>>>> grandma (!) were riding dirt cheap Japanese motorcycles, they
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> wanted to look
>>>>>> like bikers, so they wore engineer boots and levis and cutoff
>>>>>> levi
>>>>>> jackets, but, since they weren't in an MC, they couldn't
>>>>>> wear a
>>>>>> patch
>>>>>> and they all looked like they
>>>>>> were *prospects* for some outlaw club.
>>>>>> [...]
>>>> Not me. While the clothes are functional, the bike tucks your
>>>> legs
>>>> behind your hips. Taking a crotch rocket and making full dress,
>>>> you end
>>>> up with the pegs tucked like that. There are very few bikes
>>>> made today
>>>> that don't do this.
>>> Having the foot pegs back on the NT700V (which subjectively feel
>>> much further forward than those on the CBR600F4i) allows for
>>> easier standing and body repositioning than the cruiser
>>> foot-forward position.
>>> In fact, when I ride my Honda Elite [1] I often put my feet back
>>> so my heels are just below the "PGM-FI" stickers rather than on
>>> the floorboards, to allow for body positioning while cornering
>>> and some grip on the seat with my legs.
>>> And I would rather be seen on a scooter than a H-D - I want to be
>>> the "Nicest Person You Meet on a Honda", not a pretend "bad-ass
>>> 1% MC member". And of course, my lid [2] does *not* go well with
>>> a H-D. :)
>> You had better be the
>> nicest person you meet on a honda or anything else for that
>> matter.
> Why? Do I get to be not nice on a non-scooter-motorcycle? Even my
> Yamaha TW200? Hard to imagine being bad-ass on the funky and
> wheezy but fun TW200. :)
> And of course, one cannot be bad-ass while wearing helmet ears.
>> Your
>> peg position has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated.
>> You have a
>> step through scooter, not a MC.
> Legally, my NHX110 is a motorcycle [1], and by many conventions
> would be called a "scooter-motorcycle". And, yes it is a
> step-through design, and can be ridden with feet forward on the
> floorboard, or as I wrote, with the feet back behind the vertical
> projection of the rider's knees, as the floor boards are wider
> than the bodywork. Sit on the current Elite (Lead 110 in the UK)
> and you will understand.
> [1] It has a motorcycle license plate, the VIN plate says it is a
> motorcycle, and I need a motorcycle endorsement (no graduated
> licensing here in Iowa) to legally ride it on public roads
> (unlike a Honda "small" Ruckus or Metropolitan, which require
> only a automotive license, but have to fly an orange flag).
After reading you for a bit, I doubt if you have the space nor the money to own and store what you claim to have.
When I was in the Service, there was always the guys that would insult my car that I had there and tell me of the wonder cars they had at home. I would kick their butts out no matter where we were at. They always had something wonderful. Never did tell them, when I went into the service I had a B Modified Pontiac GTO and a Chrysler 300J, both would blow away anything they had. But the Racer and the Tow Car stayed there and were sold there later. My Crappy Plymouth Fury III wasn't so crappy after all.
> One could argue that the Honda Super Cub is the greatest motorcycle > ever. After all, no other motorcycle gets anywhere as many people
> to work and market (60+ million sold) every day for so long (53 years
> and counting). And of course, you meet the nicest people on a Super
> Cub.
> On 5/22/2012 7:24 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/22/2012 7:11 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2012 11:04 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>>> On 5/19/2012 4:59 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 5/19/2012 12:57 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/17/2012 12:18 PM, @*o*@ wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 15, 7:06 pm, !Jones<sdafc...@lsdhf.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anyway, they were all wearing a beautifully embroidered patch
>>>>>>>> on their
>>>>>>>> costumes... it said: "Lone Wolf Motorcycle Club".
>>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>> Back in the mid-1970's when everybody and his brother and
>>>>>>> sister and
>>>>>>> grandma (!) were riding dirt cheap Japanese motorcycles, they
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> wanted to look
>>>>>>> like bikers, so they wore engineer boots and levis and cutoff
>>>>>>> levi
>>>>>>> jackets, but, since they weren't in an MC, they couldn't
>>>>>>> wear a
>>>>>>> patch
>>>>>>> and they all looked like they
>>>>>>> were *prospects* for some outlaw club.
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>> Not me. While the clothes are functional, the bike tucks your
>>>>> legs
>>>>> behind your hips. Taking a crotch rocket and making full dress,
>>>>> you end
>>>>> up with the pegs tucked like that. There are very few bikes
>>>>> made today
>>>>> that don't do this.
>>>> Having the foot pegs back on the NT700V (which subjectively feel
>>>> much further forward than those on the CBR600F4i) allows for
>>>> easier standing and body repositioning than the cruiser
>>>> foot-forward position.
>>>> In fact, when I ride my Honda Elite [1] I often put my feet back
>>>> so my heels are just below the "PGM-FI" stickers rather than on
>>>> the floorboards, to allow for body positioning while cornering
>>>> and some grip on the seat with my legs.
>>>> And I would rather be seen on a scooter than a H-D - I want to be
>>>> the "Nicest Person You Meet on a Honda", not a pretend "bad-ass
>>>> 1% MC member". And of course, my lid [2] does *not* go well with
>>>> a H-D. :)
>>> You had better be the
>>> nicest person you meet on a honda or anything else for that
>>> matter.
>> Why? Do I get to be not nice on a non-scooter-motorcycle? Even my
>> Yamaha TW200? Hard to imagine being bad-ass on the funky and
>> wheezy but fun TW200. :)
>> And of course, one cannot be bad-ass while wearing helmet ears.
>>> Your
>>> peg position has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated.
>>> You have a
>>> step through scooter, not a MC.
>> Legally, my NHX110 is a motorcycle [1], and by many conventions
>> would be called a "scooter-motorcycle". And, yes it is a
>> step-through design, and can be ridden with feet forward on the
>> floorboard, or as I wrote, with the feet back behind the vertical
>> projection of the rider's knees, as the floor boards are wider
>> than the bodywork. Sit on the current Elite (Lead 110 in the UK)
>> and you will understand.
>> [1] It has a motorcycle license plate, the VIN plate says it is a
>> motorcycle, and I need a motorcycle endorsement (no graduated
>> licensing here in Iowa) to legally ride it on public roads
>> (unlike a Honda "small" Ruckus or Metropolitan, which require
>> only a automotive license, but have to fly an orange flag).
> After reading you for a bit, I doubt if you have the space nor the money
> to own and store what you claim to have.
Sorry, but you are wrong. What I have with 2-wheels and motors fits in the space one compact car would take. And they are not even packed as tightly as the motorcycles at the local community college that are used for MSF BRC classes.
Don't believe me, do the cutouts of a TW200, NHX110, NT700V, and CBR600F4i in plan (dimensions are easily found online), and see how much space it takes to park them. And all 4 combined cost less than a new Honda Civic EX, not to mention that the insurance costs hardly rise for more than 1 moto (my premiums went up $4/year when I added the TW200).
I don't spend my money on the stupid shit a lot of people do, which makes it easy to afford less than $20K in motos.
Of course, you seem too deluded to figure this out.
> When I was in the Service, there was always the guys that would insult
> my car that I had there and tell me of the wonder cars they had at home.
> I would kick their butts out no matter where we were at. They always had
> something wonderful. Never did tell them, when I went into the service I
> had a B Modified Pontiac GTO and a Chrysler 300J, both would blow away
> anything they had.
Why should we believe you?
> But the Racer and the Tow Car stayed there and were
> sold there later. My Crappy Plymouth Fury III wasn't so crappy after all.
Hey, I used to have a VW Rabbit until it rusted so badly that one of the upper front strut supports failed. Had to avoid deeper puddles, due to the ~6-inch diameter rust hole that was only covered by the rubber floor mat. Cool, eh? Would run the quarter-mile in about 19 seconds, and get up to about 95 mph given enough time.
> So I doubt you have all that you claim.
I'm going to cry. Not.
> End of discussion, Poser. Have a good life.
Have fun on your "122 HP, 1968 Norton Commando S". Oh wait, you just have a poster of one on the wall by your parent's computer.
-- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
>> One could argue that the Honda Super Cub is the greatest motorcycle
>> ever. After all, no other motorcycle gets anywhere as many people
>> to work and market (60+ million sold) every day for so long (53 years
>> and counting). And of course, you meet the nicest people on a Super
>> Cub.
> In Japan, Cubs are used to deliver mail.
If you do a Google Image Search, you will see Honda Cubs carrying whole families, livestock, building materials, and about anything else you can imagine. Of course, in much of SE Asia, due to congestion in cities and unimproved roads in the country, bigger is not better. And being able to do most maintenance with only a hammer and a pair of pliers (OK, a slight exaggeration) does not hurt either.
In the US, the Super Cub (re-branded as the Passport when officially imported) appears to be at least something of a collector's item, considering the prices one sees for those in decent condition.
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Post Free or Die!
> The RC30 was just the first Japanese street legal motorcycle to handle
> that well
Sir never rode a Honda NSR400.
Utterly amazing.
-- Kawasaki GTR1000 Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple
Yamaha Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2
So many bikes, so little garage space.... chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
>> In 20 years, no one else will remember your bikes. They are nice and
>> do what you wish for them to do so you will remember them. But the
>> 68 Norton Commando will still be sought after and remembered by
>> many.
> Inasmuch as the Norton is a fine bike, who really remembers? It has a
> place only with those who take an interest.
> My 1987 Suzuki LS650 Savage is still in production 25 years later as
> the Boulevard S40. So someone remembered it.
Here's a company that specializes in kits that totally transform a stock 650
Savage, if you enjoy that sort of thing.
> In the US, the Super Cub (re-branded as the Passport when officially > imported) appears to be at least something of a collector's item, > considering the prices one sees for those in decent condition.
Er, no, the Passport was a moped. I rode one and it convinced me to get
a real motorcycle, a Honda CB100.
>> In the US, the Super Cub (re-branded as the Passport when officially
>> imported) appears to be at least something of a collector's item,
>> considering the prices one sees for those in decent condition.
> Er, no, the Passport was a moped. I rode one and it convinced me to get
> a real motorcycle, a Honda CB100.
Sure your not thinking of the Honda Escort that was also sold in the US in the early 1980's? I remember seeing both together at a dealer c. 1982.
