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Dan O
May 31, 2012, 1:14:48 PM5/31/12
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Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
without a mojo bar or *something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
no mojo bars; already ate all the food I left the house with.) Saw a
drive-thru coffee stand that said, "Open". Wheeled up to the window
and begged for a packet of sugar.
(Guy seems readily amenable, looks around... ) "You want Splenda?"
"No. Sugar." (Now thinking I must seem like the "bug" from MIB.)
"I can give you sugar cubes."
"That'd be great."
(Hands me 4 sugar cubes.)
"Thanks! You're awesome!"
Popped the cubes two at a time; melt in mouth and swallow.
Don't know how much of it was psychological, but felt better
immediately and made it home no trouble.
Wes Groleau
May 31, 2012, 11:33:31 PM5/31/12
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On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
to buy a bottle of water.
--
Wes Groleau
Change is inevitable.
Liberals need to learn that “inevitable" is not a synonym for “good."
Conservatives should learn that “inevitable" is not a synonym for “bad.”
datakoll
May 31, 2012, 11:57:38 PM5/31/12
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Mcdonald's pancake syrup and water
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Lou Holtman
Jun 1, 2012, 9:22:35 AM6/1/12
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Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
or fill up your bottle. The times I had to, the people were very
generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
Lou
> On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
>> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
>> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
>> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>
> I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
> Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
> to buy a bottle of water.
>
Yes misjudging the weater is a classic one. Only your own pride is
>> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
>> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
>> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>
> I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
> Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
> to buy a bottle of water.
>
holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
or fill up your bottle. The times I had to, the people were very
generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
Lou
Dan O
Jun 1, 2012, 11:07:08 AM6/1/12
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On Jun 1, 6:22 am, Lou Holtman <lou.holt...@usenet.nl> wrote:
> Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
>
> > On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
> >> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
> >> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
> >> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>
> > I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
> > Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
> > to buy a bottle of water.
Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
>
> > On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
> >> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
> >> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
> >> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>
> > I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
> > Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
> > to buy a bottle of water.
the water right out of you.
>
> Yes misjudging the weater is a classic one. Only your own pride is
> holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
> or fill up your bottle.
(Never know when you might need to copiously flush a wound or
something.) If it gets to looking like I might possibly run out, I
think ahead for someplace to refill.
> The times I had to, the people were very
> generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
> bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
>
someone who simply needs water to drink.
I try to never, ever ride far from home without at least one mojo bar
in my bag and preferably one mojo bar and one power bar. If I eat the
last one, I head purposefully for home or resupply and keep an "eye"
on the gas gauge.
I'll repeat one of my favorite movie quotes: "You don't know what you
can do and what you can't." I've pressed on when it would be very
easy to *think* that I couldn't, feeling awfully woozy, but never
actually bonked.
Wes Groleau
Jun 2, 2012, 12:25:04 AM6/2/12
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On 06-01-2012 11:07, Dan O wrote:
> Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> the water right out of you.
Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> the water right out of you.
fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
only 110 calories.
Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
--
Wes Groleau
Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:
http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 12:37:24 AM6/2/12
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holding a loaded gun and asking why the hell are you bothering them.
These people live out of the way for a reason.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Dan O
Jun 2, 2012, 1:38:46 AM6/2/12
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On Jun 1, 9:25 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 06-01-2012 11:07, Dan O wrote:
>
> > Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> > the water right out of you.
>
> Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
> only 110 calories.
>
> Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
> does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
>
> I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
> I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
> But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
Hmm... I guess (maybe) you're right:
> On 06-01-2012 11:07, Dan O wrote:
>
> > Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> > the water right out of you.
>
> Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
> only 110 calories.
>
> Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
> does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
>
> I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
> I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
> But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
Glad you made it out of the woods that day.
Lou Holtman
Jun 2, 2012, 4:52:30 AM6/2/12
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Op 2-6-2012 6:25, Wes Groleau schreef:
you can get. Right? My favourite refueling stops are gasstation stores
and with all that diet junk today it is getting harder to get non
artificial sweetened drinks.
I have trouble eating while riding a bike so I limit that to a minimum.
When all my glycogen (muscles and liver) storages filled up I know I can
ride bike with my kind off intensity for 2.5 hours and knowing that you
only can digest 60-70 gr of carbohydrates I only need one waterbottle
with 60 gr carbohydrates dissloved in it for my favourite 100 km rides.
Money and a powerbar for backup. For a 70-80 km ride I don't need to eat
at all.
When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
refill them for the next day/ride.
Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
stomach gets upset etc.
> But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
Lou
> On 06-01-2012 11:07, Dan O wrote:
>> Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
>> the water right out of you.
>
> Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
> only 110 calories.
>
> Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
> does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
>
> I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
> I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
If you need sugar for the fuel you want something with as much sugar as
>> Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
>> the water right out of you.
>
> Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
> only 110 calories.
>
> Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
> does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
>
> I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
> I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
you can get. Right? My favourite refueling stops are gasstation stores
and with all that diet junk today it is getting harder to get non
artificial sweetened drinks.
I have trouble eating while riding a bike so I limit that to a minimum.
When all my glycogen (muscles and liver) storages filled up I know I can
ride bike with my kind off intensity for 2.5 hours and knowing that you
only can digest 60-70 gr of carbohydrates I only need one waterbottle
with 60 gr carbohydrates dissloved in it for my favourite 100 km rides.
Money and a powerbar for backup. For a 70-80 km ride I don't need to eat
at all.
When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
refill them for the next day/ride.
Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
stomach gets upset etc.
> But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
Lou
Lou Holtman
Jun 2, 2012, 7:49:57 AM6/2/12
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Op 2-6-2012 6:37, Tom $herman (-_-) > schreef:
Did you experienced that or is this your suspicious/pessimistic nature
speaking again?
'ding dong... Look who is at the door will you. OK were is my gun?'
Geezzz what a f*cked up society. Glad that almost no one has a gun here.
Would not know what to do with it.
Lou
speaking again?
'ding dong... Look who is at the door will you. OK were is my gun?'
Geezzz what a f*cked up society. Glad that almost no one has a gun here.
Would not know what to do with it.
Lou
AMuzi
Jun 2, 2012, 10:26:18 AM6/2/12
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owner since you obviously have no idea about their uses limits.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
thirty-six
Jun 2, 2012, 10:34:47 AM6/2/12
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mouth to give you a short term boost. It might not even need to be
sugar, just something sweet. The basic enabler of energy utilisation
though is salted water and it is this which will generally what you
are defficient in whatever the fuel source.
Jay Beattie
Jun 2, 2012, 12:14:05 PM6/2/12
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military service, a lot of people have SIG 550s that could reduce you
to confetti -- and Swiss society is hardly considered f***** up.
Switzerland has a very low rate of gun related violence. I'm not for
unfettered gun ownership in the US, but I don't think access to guns
is the root of our social woes -- particularly since a large number of
US gun owners are hunters. In Oregon, lots of people hunt -- and
there are plenty of places in Eastern Oregon where you can level a
rifle, take a shot and the bullet will drop before it comes within 20
miles of a population area. http://www.flickr.com/photos/loloboho/6220093763/
There is a very low rate of gun related violence in Eastern Oregon. In
North Dakota there is practically no gun related violence, yet better
than 50% gun ownership. Gun violence is a really complex problem made
difficult by our history and diverse population.
Anyway, I've ridden across the US and through many sparsely populated
areas, and I've relied on the kindness of others for food and
shelter. I found people to be more open and accommodating outside
urban areas. I just learned not to talk politics, particularly in the
Western and central states.
There were some places in Wyoming and Montana where I did not feel
welcome, but no one drew down on me. I just got the sense that they
viewed me as some hippy faggot environmentalists -- part of the giant
hippy faggot environmentalist conspiracy that had crushed their
economy by shutting down the local forest/copper pit mine/uranium
mine, etc. OTOH, in the same region, I was taken in and put up in a
church parish hall -- some good old boy sheriffs let me shower in
their three-cell jail. I was riding through a tiny, beaten down coal
town in the Appalachians when I guy pulled up next to me in an ancient
Ford PU. I thought I was going to get beaten to death with a banjo,
but the passenger pops a beer and hands it out the window, asking me
if I wanted it. I declined politely, but you get the point. A lot of
rural America is pretty friendly. Just don't stop to fill your bottle
at the backwoods cabin covered in brambles and stinking of rotten
flesh.
-- Jay Beattie.
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 1:04:07 PM6/2/12
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yeah. I overdidit one day doing a loop of errands. poor planning for nutrition in an area devoid of 7/11...
when I 'got back', leg muscles stiffened, I couldn't walk. Had to lay on ground waiting for muscle chemistry's resolution to rebalance back into a continuing life form.
enter the back day pack, always stocked with cliff bars, bike tools (inflator!), bug net (REI), gloves, sunscreen, $$$, Mace, leatherman, sink,
Dan O
Jun 2, 2012, 12:54:04 PM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 4:49 am, Lou Holtman <lou.holt...@usenet.nl> wrote:
out here and give it a try - go ahead and walk up to that farmhouse in
your spandex shorts.
(That said, Ias I noted earlier in the tread, almost everybody around
here is very nice.)
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 1:11:42 PM6/2/12
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NO SUGAR !
as a last resort maybe..
look at the ingeedients in power fluids. Find basic glycogens, basic sugars that are NOT table sugar.
Closest yawl can get to this, and my search maybe outdated, is something like Karo, sweetner derived from corn.
The closer the 'sugar' (not table sugar) comes to a simple glycogen molecular construction, the easier it is for your body chemistry, once called a Krebs Cycle named after its discoverer Maynard G. Krebs, to convert it into positive muscle chemistry food...like the muscle cells need dinner.
as a last resort maybe..
look at the ingeedients in power fluids. Find basic glycogens, basic sugars that are NOT table sugar.
Closest yawl can get to this, and my search maybe outdated, is something like Karo, sweetner derived from corn.
The closer the 'sugar' (not table sugar) comes to a simple glycogen molecular construction, the easier it is for your body chemistry, once called a Krebs Cycle named after its discoverer Maynard G. Krebs, to convert it into positive muscle chemistry food...like the muscle cells need dinner.
Lou Holtman
Jun 2, 2012, 1:16:39 PM6/2/12
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Op 2-6-2012 18:14, Jay Beattie schreef:
Simple question. Why would anyone need a gun for?
Lou
Lou
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 1:20:25 PM6/2/12
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true !
Eastern Oregon is serious farming populated with serious intelligent farming people.
Montana ismpopulated by the bad guys you see in Western Fiction...I'm told Montanans were ejected from Texas for incompetence and mental insuffiency.. Worser, the Big Sky is big tourist gone to Casinoville.
Big difference there.
Eastern Oregon is serious farming populated with serious intelligent farming people.
Montana ismpopulated by the bad guys you see in Western Fiction...I'm told Montanans were ejected from Texas for incompetence and mental insuffiency.. Worser, the Big Sky is big tourist gone to Casinoville.
Big difference there.
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Dan O
Jun 2, 2012, 1:34:09 PM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 10:04 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
My messenger bag...
> , always stocked with cliff bars...
clif bars upset my tummy, so I carry power bars and (clif) mojo
bars...
> , bike tools (inflator!)...
little pencil box in messenger bag w/ patch kit(s), tire levers,
foldable hex keys, park mini kit, co2 inflator - topeak road morph
loose in bottom of bag, vitorinox "tinker" in bag pocket...
> , bug net (REI)...
hmmm...
> , gloves...
I carry ~three or four different pair...
> , sunscreen...
hmm...
> , $$$...
as if...
(actually, I *do* have a quarter - for prying the cover off my
taillight)
> , Mace...
(!) - for the bugs?
> , leatherman...
I have one now! (a Gerber) - (roadside find)
> , sink,
I have plastic bags; does that count?
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> yeah. I overdidit one day doing a loop of errands. poor planning for nutrition in an area devoid of 7/11...
>
> when I 'got back', leg muscles stiffened, I couldn't walk. Had to lay on ground waiting for muscle chemistry's resolution to rebalance back into a continuing life form.
>
> enter the back day pack...
> yeah. I overdidit one day doing a loop of errands. poor planning for nutrition in an area devoid of 7/11...
>
> when I 'got back', leg muscles stiffened, I couldn't walk. Had to lay on ground waiting for muscle chemistry's resolution to rebalance back into a continuing life form.
>
My messenger bag...
> , always stocked with cliff bars...
clif bars upset my tummy, so I carry power bars and (clif) mojo
bars...
> , bike tools (inflator!)...
little pencil box in messenger bag w/ patch kit(s), tire levers,
foldable hex keys, park mini kit, co2 inflator - topeak road morph
loose in bottom of bag, vitorinox "tinker" in bag pocket...
> , bug net (REI)...
hmmm...
> , gloves...
I carry ~three or four different pair...
> , sunscreen...
hmm...
> , $$$...
as if...
(actually, I *do* have a quarter - for prying the cover off my
taillight)
> , Mace...
(!) - for the bugs?
> , leatherman...
I have one now! (a Gerber) - (roadside find)
> , sink,
I have plastic bags; does that count?
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 1:34:12 PM6/2/12
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oh Lou...
to kill Indians
kill animals for food
to kill Rebs
to be YOU ! AN AMERICAN (having failed in finding other worthwile activities)
know what happened to the members of Lewis and uhhh whathisname expedition ?
they were killed by pimps and pawnbrokers in Montana !
its manifest !
Verdun has no meaning here despite Fredrickburg.
to kill Indians
kill animals for food
to kill Rebs
to be YOU ! AN AMERICAN (having failed in finding other worthwile activities)
know what happened to the members of Lewis and uhhh whathisname expedition ?
they were killed by pimps and pawnbrokers in Montana !
its manifest !
Verdun has no meaning here despite Fredrickburg.
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 1:47:06 PM6/2/12
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This is there place on earth I was told by a reliable source and you are not welcome caws you're not suckoing dicks. I do scientific field research now on the San Andreas Fault, for Californians benefit and am a paying tourist.
Yet at Santa Cruz, a software getaway south of SF, I wander thru crowds of truly gemutlische young women...'like' when you get to SC, first thing is find a motel room.
relative to gun ownership
Yet at Santa Cruz
Lou Holtman
Jun 2, 2012, 1:56:15 PM6/2/12
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Op 2-6-2012 19:33, davethedave schreef:
Ai, that looks ugly. Sorry about that.
How is your Dutch Dave? Should I buy a gun?
Lou
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:16:39 +0200, Lou Holtman wrote:
>
>> Simple question. Why would anyone need a gun for?
>
> Grammar enforcement?
>
>> Simple question. Why would anyone need a gun for?
>
Ai, that looks ugly. Sorry about that.
How is your Dutch Dave? Should I buy a gun?
Lou
Dan O
Jun 2, 2012, 12:51:35 PM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 1:52 am, Lou Holtman <lou.holt...@usenet.nl> wrote:
> Op 2-6-2012 6:25, Wes Groleau schreef:
>
> > On 06-01-2012 11:07, Dan O wrote:
> >> Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> >> the water right out of you.
>
> > Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> > fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
> > only 110 calories.
>
> > Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
> > does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
>
> > I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
> > I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
>
> If you need sugar for the fuel you want something with as much sugar as
> you can get. Right? My favourite refueling stops are gasstation stores
> and with all that diet junk today it is getting harder to get non
> artificial sweetened drinks.
>
I only carry plain water to drink - lots of it. You can add sugar,
> Op 2-6-2012 6:25, Wes Groleau schreef:
>
> > On 06-01-2012 11:07, Dan O wrote:
> >> Isn't Red Bull sugar and caffeine in water? That stuff just sucks all
> >> the water right out of you.
>
> > Not so. Excess blood sugar will make me pee, but when I am averaging
> > fifteen miles per hour, the muscles suck up the sugar. And one can is
> > only 110 calories.
>
> > Too much caffeine can stimulate the bladder to contract more, but it
> > does not cause the kidneys to run faster.
>
> > I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
> > I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
>
> If you need sugar for the fuel you want something with as much sugar as
> you can get. Right? My favourite refueling stops are gasstation stores
> and with all that diet junk today it is getting harder to get non
> artificial sweetened drinks.
>
but can't get it back out. I don't guzzle - ever. I pay attention to
my perceived eletrolytic "feel", and just drink to thirst and keep
hydrated. Except when it's extremely hot and dry, continuous snot
production is a good indicator.
> I have trouble eating while riding a bike so I limit that to a minimum.
> When all my glycogen (muscles and liver) storages filled up I know I can
> ride bike with my kind off intensity for 2.5 hours and knowing that you
> only can digest 60-70 gr of carbohydrates I only need one waterbottle
> with 60 gr carbohydrates dissloved in it for my favourite 100 km rides.
> Money and a powerbar for backup. For a 70-80 km ride I don't need to eat
> at all.
morning before leaving the house, unless I'm still well loaded from
dinner the night before. Never need anything to eat on the way to
work, but am usually kind of famished when I get there and then gobble
soemthing like a peanut butter sandwich.
On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
I get there).
> When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
> refill them for the next day/ride.
> Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
> 5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
> stomach gets upset etc.
>
> > But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
> For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
> carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
> more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
> at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
> in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
> people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
>
mornings, when even the small towns are all quiet and dark.
Don't like to ever be away from home on the bike without something
~like one powerbar *and* one mojo bar in my bag - one of which I
always try to keep in reserve.
Jay Beattie
Jun 2, 2012, 1:48:57 PM6/2/12
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if I were riding through parts of Alaska, although guns have not
improved the outcome in some bear attacks (fiddling with gun instead
of running or taking other defensive action). Apart from need,
shooting is fun. I don't own a gun, but I did a fair amount of
shooting thirty years ago with a friend who had a boat load of guns.
He collected guns like some of us collect bikes. Biathalon would have
been fun, but now I'm too slow on my cross-country equipment.
-- Jay Beattie.
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 2:15:22 PM6/2/12
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lived in Atlanta when Atlanta was American liveable now its black core escappes and white burbs.
Mob supplier brought in coupla cases staurday night specials sold for less tha $100
and what happened ?
oN saturday night, black folk killed each other, women first.
Just like a buncha Catholics
Mob supplier brought in coupla cases staurday night specials sold for less tha $100
and what happened ?
oN saturday night, black folk killed each other, women first.
Just like a buncha Catholics
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 2:55:29 PM6/2/12
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WHAT do you use the Road Morph for ?
thirty-six
Jun 2, 2012, 2:41:56 PM6/2/12
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although glucose is preferable, any sugar will do. Boiled sweets are
generally the correct thing, either glucose or invert sugar. Most
confectionary is suitable to keep power levels up although fading may
also be due to a need for magnesium or potassium, a carton of fruit
juice is a wise carry. If it comes down to it, eat the roadside
herbs.
A favoured carry for me was a Topic, a hazlenut confectionary bar.
Not only would it be boosting sugar and magnesium but also fatty acids
which facilitates the liver and brain without requiring conversion.
if one is experiencing pain alonggside power depletion then the first
line of action is salted water. If one does not pick up within ten
minutes, try the confectionary then lastly the fruit juice.
AMuzi
Jun 2, 2012, 3:36:48 PM6/2/12
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A target pistol is not a concealable small weapon is not a
rifle, etc.
AMuzi
Jun 2, 2012, 3:39:55 PM6/2/12
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davethedave wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:16:39 +0200, Lou Holtman wrote:
>
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:16:39 +0200, Lou Holtman wrote:
>
>> Simple question. Why would anyone need a gun for?
>
> Grammar enforcement?
>
Lou's native language is not English.
he meant, 'waarom moet u een pistool?'
AMuzi
Jun 2, 2012, 3:43:33 PM6/2/12
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your girlfriend after the bike ride.
AMuzi
Jun 2, 2012, 3:45:26 PM6/2/12
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black suburbs with real money.
Lou Holtman
Jun 2, 2012, 4:48:28 PM6/2/12
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Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 21:39:55 UTC+2 schreef AMuzi het volgende:
Lou
> davethedave wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:16:39 +0200, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >
> >> Simple question. Why would anyone need a gun for?
> >
> > Grammar enforcement?
>
>
> Lou's native language is not English.
> he meant, 'waarom moet u een pistool?'
Close. It's 'waar heeft iemand nu een pistool voor nodig? See how difficult it is ;-)
> > On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:16:39 +0200, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >
> >> Simple question. Why would anyone need a gun for?
> >
> > Grammar enforcement?
>
>
> Lou's native language is not English.
> he meant, 'waarom moet u een pistool?'
Lou
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Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 7:02:56 PM6/2/12
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shots fired over my head while on public right-of-way. The sound a
sub-sonic (probably 22LR) bullet makes as it goes by is interesting.
I do *not* go down dead-end roads in remote rural areas on purpose. One
time in Indiana I started to go down one by mistake, and the (presumed)
person who lived at the end coming from the other direction stopped with
his car angled to block the road, and asked me in a nasty loud tone
"where I was going". When I said I was trying to connect to Road "x",
he snapped back this is the wrong way. Since it did not appear that he
was going to move until I left, I backed up to the nearest farm field
entry to turn around, then left.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 7:09:48 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 4:55 PM, davethedave wrote:
> Not too good. :(
>
> kan ik een biertje neem? :)
>
> and probably not. :(
>
> How's your Turkish? :)
These will help with that:
<http://www.turkeycountrymagazine.com/09SO/images/waterproof_turkey_calls.jpg>.
;)
>
> kan ik een biertje neem? :)
>
> and probably not. :(
>
> How's your Turkish? :)
These will help with that:
<http://www.turkeycountrymagazine.com/09SO/images/waterproof_turkey_calls.jpg>.
;)
datakoll
Jun 2, 2012, 7:11:03 PM6/2/12
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Wes Groleau
Jun 2, 2012, 9:00:59 PM6/2/12
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On 06-02-2012 01:38, Dan O wrote:
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
"[Water]'s calorie-free, caffeine-free, inexpensive and readily available."
Calorie-free is not what I want when I have to move a hundred kilograms
fifty kilometers.
> Glad you made it out of the woods that day.
Thanks. Me, too.
--
Wes Groleau
There are more Baroque musicians than any other kind.
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
"[Water]'s calorie-free, caffeine-free, inexpensive and readily available."
Calorie-free is not what I want when I have to move a hundred kilograms
fifty kilometers.
> Glad you made it out of the woods that day.
Thanks. Me, too.
--
Wes Groleau
There are more Baroque musicians than any other kind.
Wes Groleau
Jun 2, 2012, 9:10:47 PM6/2/12
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On 06-02-2012 04:52, Lou Holtman wrote:
> Op 2-6-2012 6:25, Wes Groleau schreef:
> Op 2-6-2012 6:25, Wes Groleau schreef:
>> I needed the water for the heat, and the sugar for fuel.
>> I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
>
> If you need sugar for the fuel you want something with as much sugar as
> you can get. Right? ....
>> I chose Red Bull because it has less sugar than other choices.
>
> If you need sugar for the fuel you want something with as much sugar as
Wrong. I am diabetic and need to limit it to "just enough."
Plus I don't _like_ overly sugary tastes.
> .... My favourite refueling stops are gasstation stores
Not many of those on the route from the train station to home.
And if I found one, I'd still buy something tart but not sugar-free.
> I have trouble eating while riding a bike so I limit that to a minimum.
to buttocks and genitalia. :-)
> When all my glycogen (muscles and liver) storages filled up I know I can
> ride bike with my kind off intensity for 2.5 hours and knowing that you
> only can digest 60-70 gr of carbohydrates I only need one waterbottle
> with 60 gr carbohydrates dissloved in it for my favourite 100 km rides.
myself. Has anyone seen me?
--
Wes Groleau
“Missing a train is only painful if you run after it!”
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb
thirty-six
Jun 2, 2012, 9:57:29 PM6/2/12
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ounce of butter. Peanuts and bread are not ideal foods and should not
be consumed regularly.
>
> On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
> the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
> bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
> I get there).
Have an apple before you leave.
> On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
> the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
> bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
> I get there).
>
> > When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
> > refill them for the next day/ride.
> > Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
> > 5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
> > stomach gets upset etc.
>
> > > But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
> > For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
> > carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
> > more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
> > at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
> > in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
> > people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
>
> My commute is almost all the middle of nowhere - particularly in the
> mornings, when even the small towns are all quiet and dark.
>
> Don't like to ever be away from home on the bike without something
> ~like one powerbar *and* one mojo bar in my bag - one of which I
> always try to keep in reserve.
Dan O
Jun 2, 2012, 10:23:16 PM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
Shoot (... er, totally unintended pun), I was riding home one summery
day through rolling foothiils along valley farmland - very
picturesque. Had stopped for a mojo bar, and noticed the gorgeous
panoramic backdrop behind my bike leaned against a roadsign. Got out
my camera and was composing a picture when this pickup truck turns
onto the gravel crossroad, stops, guy gets out (younger fellow stays
in the passenger seat), and *confronts* me (doesn't just ask), "What
are you takin' pictures of?"
"My bike," I reply.
He stands there for a few seconds, kind of at a loss (looking a little
perplexed like it has to sink in that these are public roads and that
bicyclists are public, too), but still looking like he thinks he ought
to do something about this longhair in stretchy pants, then gets back
in the truck and drives off. I suppose the camera, time of day
(evening commute time and probability of passerby), and maybe the
nearby house, may have factored into his inaction. (Have to wonder
what he's concerned about. Damned revenuers, maybe?)
day through rolling foothiils along valley farmland - very
picturesque. Had stopped for a mojo bar, and noticed the gorgeous
panoramic backdrop behind my bike leaned against a roadsign. Got out
my camera and was composing a picture when this pickup truck turns
onto the gravel crossroad, stops, guy gets out (younger fellow stays
in the passenger seat), and *confronts* me (doesn't just ask), "What
are you takin' pictures of?"
"My bike," I reply.
He stands there for a few seconds, kind of at a loss (looking a little
perplexed like it has to sink in that these are public roads and that
bicyclists are public, too), but still looking like he thinks he ought
to do something about this longhair in stretchy pants, then gets back
in the truck and drives off. I suppose the camera, time of day
(evening commute time and probability of passerby), and maybe the
nearby house, may have factored into his inaction. (Have to wonder
what he's concerned about. Damned revenuers, maybe?)
Dan O
Jun 2, 2012, 10:47:27 PM6/2/12
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>
>
> > On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
> > the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
> > bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
> > I get there).
>
> Have an apple before you leave.
>
>
> > > When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
> > > refill them for the next day/ride.
> > > Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
> > > 5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
> > > stomach gets upset etc.
>
> > > > But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
> > > For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
> > > carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
> > > more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
> > > at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
> > > in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
> > > people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
>
> > My commute is almost all the middle of nowhere - particularly in the
> > mornings, when even the small towns are all quiet and dark.
>
> > Don't like to ever be away from home on the bike without something
> > ~like one powerbar *and* one mojo bar in my bag - one of which I
> > always try to keep in reserve.
>
> You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
smooshed enough in my bag as it is, can ride there for weeks and still
be eaten without stopping the bike or soiling my gloves. The
powerbars go down and digest easily, and work like magic energy.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 11:36:27 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 8:10 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> I just get off the bike long enough to eat it--and to restore blood flow
> to buttocks and genitalia. :-) [...]
> I just get off the bike long enough to eat it--and to restore blood flow
Not a problem on a 'bent.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 11:37:25 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 8:57 PM, thirty-six wrote:
> [...]
> [...]
> You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>
The former hard-boiled, one presumes?
>
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 11:46:32 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 9:26 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
> you obviously have no idea about their uses limits.
>
All three incidences of people firing warning shots in my general
direction have been in rural Wisconsin. Never had a gun discharged in
my direction in Havenwoods or Metcalf Park (i.e., parts of the Milwaukee
'hood).
And in the days before mobile phones I had a breakdown in Forgottonia
(west central Illinois), and when I knocked on the door, the man opening
it was holding a shotgun, with the women in the room saying "what the
hell do you want?" to me.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of kooks out there with
guns.
Oh, and I should mention while in elementary school in rural Wisconsin,
I had a couple of classmates killed when accidentally shot by siblings.
> Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 6/1/2012 8:22 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
>>>> On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
>>>>> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
>>>>> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
>>>>> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>>>>
>>>> I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
>>>> Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
>>>> to buy a bottle of water.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes misjudging the weater is a classic one. Only your own pride is
>>> holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
>>> or fill up your bottle. The times I had to, the people were very
>>> generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
>>> bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
>>>
>> In more remote parts of the US, the person answering the door could be
>> holding a loaded gun and asking why the hell are you bothering them.
>> These people live out of the way for a reason.
>>
>
> Perhaps one day you might actually meet and talk with a gun owner since
>> On 6/1/2012 8:22 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
>>>> On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
>>>>> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
>>>>> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
>>>>> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>>>>
>>>> I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
>>>> Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
>>>> to buy a bottle of water.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes misjudging the weater is a classic one. Only your own pride is
>>> holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
>>> or fill up your bottle. The times I had to, the people were very
>>> generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
>>> bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
>>>
>> In more remote parts of the US, the person answering the door could be
>> holding a loaded gun and asking why the hell are you bothering them.
>> These people live out of the way for a reason.
>>
>
> you obviously have no idea about their uses limits.
>
All three incidences of people firing warning shots in my general
direction have been in rural Wisconsin. Never had a gun discharged in
my direction in Havenwoods or Metcalf Park (i.e., parts of the Milwaukee
'hood).
And in the days before mobile phones I had a breakdown in Forgottonia
(west central Illinois), and when I knocked on the door, the man opening
it was holding a shotgun, with the women in the room saying "what the
hell do you want?" to me.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of kooks out there with
guns.
Oh, and I should mention while in elementary school in rural Wisconsin,
I had a couple of classmates killed when accidentally shot by siblings.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 11:49:39 PM6/2/12
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hyponatremia/hyponatraemia, which is worse than "bonking" or even heat
exhaustion.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 11:53:33 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 1:55 PM, datakoll wrote:
>
> WHAT do you use the Road Morph for ?
Well, I would use one for inflating tubes/tires.
>
> WHAT do you use the Road Morph for ?
datakoll
Jun 3, 2012, 12:03:28 AM6/3/12
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thirty-six
Jun 2, 2012, 11:25:54 PM6/2/12
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conned by the salesman, stick to food.
>
>
>
> > > On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
> > > the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
> > > bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
> > > I get there).
>
> > Have an apple before you leave.
>
> Apple is always really good when I get home.
So it would be better before you leave.
>
>
> > > On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
> > > the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
> > > bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
> > > I get there).
>
> > Have an apple before you leave.
>
> Apple is always really good when I get home.
>
>
>
> > > > When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
> > > > refill them for the next day/ride.
> > > > Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
> > > > 5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
> > > > stomach gets upset etc.
>
> > > > > But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
> > > > For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
> > > > carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
> > > > more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
> > > > at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
> > > > in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
> > > > people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
>
> > > My commute is almost all the middle of nowhere - particularly in the
> > > mornings, when even the small towns are all quiet and dark.
>
> > > Don't like to ever be away from home on the bike without something
> > > ~like one powerbar *and* one mojo bar in my bag - one of which I
> > > always try to keep in reserve.
>
> > You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>
> Again, I hear you, but the relatively non-perisherable mojo bars get
So you don't normally eat eggs, nuts and fruit?
>
>
> > > > When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
> > > > refill them for the next day/ride.
> > > > Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
> > > > 5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
> > > > stomach gets upset etc.
>
> > > > > But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
> > > > For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
> > > > carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
> > > > more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
> > > > at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
> > > > in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
> > > > people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
>
> > > My commute is almost all the middle of nowhere - particularly in the
> > > mornings, when even the small towns are all quiet and dark.
>
> > > Don't like to ever be away from home on the bike without something
> > > ~like one powerbar *and* one mojo bar in my bag - one of which I
> > > always try to keep in reserve.
>
> > You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>
> Again, I hear you, but the relatively non-perisherable mojo bars get
What's up with them, no barcode, no shelf life?
They are perishable because they contain living energy, they give us
life.
> smooshed enough in my bag as it is, can ride there for weeks and still
> be eaten without stopping the bike or soiling my gloves. The
> powerbars go down and digest easily, and work like magic energy.
encourage the consumption of more products. Saturated fats are of
prime importance in the regulation of blood sugar, proper nerve
(including thought) function, temperature stability and correct
functioning of mucosal membranes.
datakoll
Jun 3, 2012, 12:10:22 AM6/3/12
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that's what I did when there...built white folks houses then bought by black folk as the whites fled to burbs.
where I lived on High Court Place of Glenwood was all white. Nowmits all black for miles. There is nowhee to live in the south but here for many 21st Deep South Afro-Americans
The money comes from state jobs...socialized Ponzi.
outside money comes from Chinese warehousing.
kinda SF, as the warehouses are often set out in a mega field in rolling hill areas...shorter commute for the managerial.
Omega alarms are in Atl
where I lived on High Court Place of Glenwood was all white. Nowmits all black for miles. There is nowhee to live in the south but here for many 21st Deep South Afro-Americans
The money comes from state jobs...socialized Ponzi.
outside money comes from Chinese warehousing.
kinda SF, as the warehouses are often set out in a mega field in rolling hill areas...shorter commute for the managerial.
Omega alarms are in Atl
thirty-six
Jun 3, 2012, 12:17:26 AM6/3/12
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On Jun 3, 4:37 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
utilise them efficiently.. It takes a bit of oractice to be able to
crack off the too, but it's a skill well worth develooing.
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 6/2/2012 8:57 PM, thirty-six wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>
> The former hard-boiled, one presumes?
>
I generally eat them raw when on the move, It's the only way to
> On 6/2/2012 8:57 PM, thirty-six wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>
> The former hard-boiled, one presumes?
>
utilise them efficiently.. It takes a bit of oractice to be able to
crack off the too, but it's a skill well worth develooing.
thirty-six
Jun 3, 2012, 12:35:46 AM6/3/12
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On Jun 3, 4:49 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
While the salt alone, under the tongue, may bring relief from muscle
sqasm, usually it is dehydration which is the general cause to
weakness and oain. Salt should always be taken with water. Stick to
a natural extraction of sea salt, not a putrified and dessicated
form. NaCl alone will not provide an environment to flourish, all the
minerals in sea salt will benefit the body.
sqasm, usually it is dehydration which is the general cause to
weakness and oain. Salt should always be taken with water. Stick to
a natural extraction of sea salt, not a putrified and dessicated
form. NaCl alone will not provide an environment to flourish, all the
minerals in sea salt will benefit the body.
datakoll
Jun 3, 2012, 12:20:50 AM6/3/12
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try the corn syrup
then several days later try table sugar
strange, when I ascended into good recreational bike condition, candy did not slack me off tho cike and pepsi continued...
occasionally, I ate a 3 musketeers (841) 3m'S are packed with carbohydrates and sooth the tummy...and doahn eat the whole bar.
My favorite continues as chilled rotini in small thermos smothered in raspoberry yogurt (non fat) with a Sobe orange soda.
then several days later try table sugar
strange, when I ascended into good recreational bike condition, candy did not slack me off tho cike and pepsi continued...
occasionally, I ate a 3 musketeers (841) 3m'S are packed with carbohydrates and sooth the tummy...and doahn eat the whole bar.
My favorite continues as chilled rotini in small thermos smothered in raspoberry yogurt (non fat) with a Sobe orange soda.
thirty-six
Jun 3, 2012, 12:40:53 AM6/3/12
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On Jun 3, 4:36 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 6/2/2012 8:10 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> > I just get off the bike long enough to eat it--and to restore blood flow
> > to buttocks and genitalia. :-) [...]
>
> Not a problem on a 'bent.
>
Ypu can't avoid sucking dirty air.
> On 6/2/2012 8:10 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> > I just get off the bike long enough to eat it--and to restore blood flow
> > to buttocks and genitalia. :-) [...]
>
> Not a problem on a 'bent.
>
Dan O
Jun 3, 2012, 12:06:04 AM6/3/12
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On Jun 2, 8:36 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
climbing - or light in the saddle if I'm on the flat too long and
start to feel it.
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 6/2/2012 8:10 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> > I just get off the bike long enough to eat it--and to restore blood flow
> > to buttocks and genitalia. :-) [...]
>
> Not a problem on a 'bent.
>
I just go out of the saddle for a spell now and then - e.g. when
> On 6/2/2012 8:10 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> > I just get off the bike long enough to eat it--and to restore blood flow
> > to buttocks and genitalia. :-) [...]
>
> Not a problem on a 'bent.
>
climbing - or light in the saddle if I'm on the flat too long and
start to feel it.
thirty-six
Jun 3, 2012, 12:20:51 AM6/3/12
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but I orefer to give it a sniff first, hence the reason I crack off
the fat end.
Dan O
Jun 3, 2012, 1:19:32 AM6/3/12
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That said:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Understanding_Nutrition.html?id=LhSLKVmauGoC
>
>
> > > > On the return trip at end of the day I will usually eat a powerbar on
> > > > the long descent ~halfway home; or maybe stop and eat that or a mojo
> > > > bar. This really helps carry me home (where I am still famished when
> > > > I get there).
>
> > > Have an apple before you leave.
>
> > Apple is always really good when I get home.
>
> So it would be better before you leave.
>
I suppose), and when I get home I eat whatever I can get my hands on.
There are children there; so that's where I keep the apples.
>
>
>
>
> > > > > When I'm home I know that my glycogen supplies are empty so I have to
> > > > > refill them for the next day/ride.
> > > > > Ultra long rides are not my cup of tea. For my that is 150+ km/more than
> > > > > 5 hours. It is boring, have to slow down, have to eat too much so my
> > > > > stomach gets upset etc.
>
> > > > > > But I didn't choose enough of it from the water perspective.
>
> > > > > For me it gets tricky when it is cold in early season. Burn a lot of
> > > > > carbs just to stay warm. In that case the 2.5 hours isn't valid any
> > > > > more, but I can feel it comming and can eat my backup or buy some stuff
> > > > > at the gasstation except of course when I forgot my money or my powerbar
> > > > > in a hurry. Then it gets really bad and I have to rely on the friendly
> > > > > people. Fortunately we have no middle of nowhere here. ;-)
>
> > > > My commute is almost all the middle of nowhere - particularly in the
> > > > mornings, when even the small towns are all quiet and dark.
>
> > > > Don't like to ever be away from home on the bike without something
> > > > ~like one powerbar *and* one mojo bar in my bag - one of which I
> > > > always try to keep in reserve.
>
> > > You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>
> > Again, I hear you, but the relatively non-perisherable mojo bars get
>
> So you don't normally eat eggs, nuts and fruit?
> What's up with them, no barcode, no shelf life?
> They are perishable because they contain living energy, they give us
> life.
>
> > smooshed enough in my bag as it is, can ride there for weeks and still
> > be eaten without stopping the bike or soiling my gloves. The
> > powerbars go down and digest easily, and work like magic energy.
>
> Food does that. Eat food and you will avoid the difficulties which
> encourage the consumption of more products. Saturated fats are of
> prime importance in the regulation of blood sugar, proper nerve
> (including thought) function, temperature stability and correct
> functioning of mucosal membranes.
James
Jun 3, 2012, 6:11:36 PM6/3/12
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On 03/06/12 14:03, datakoll wrote:
> On Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:37:25 PM UTC-6, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
>> On 6/2/2012 8:57 PM, thirty-six wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>>>
>>
>> The former hard-boiled, one presumes?
>>
>> --
>> T榦 Sherm泄 - 42.435731衹, 83.985007訖
> On Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:37:25 PM UTC-6, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
>> On 6/2/2012 8:57 PM, thirty-six wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> You'd be better carrying food such as eggs and fruit.
>>>
>>
>> The former hard-boiled, one presumes?
>>
>> --
>> Post Free or Die!
>
> gnaw, Brits us a straw. You never saw an egg punch ?
Never seen an egg make a fist.
>
> gnaw, Brits us a straw. You never saw an egg punch ?
--
JS.
Sir Ridesalot
Jun 5, 2012, 2:15:58 PM6/5/12
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potassium.
Cheers
thirty-six
Jun 5, 2012, 2:42:21 PM6/5/12
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concern to enable circulation and heat stability is adequate salt (non-
refined). Salt is the principal mover of sweat and must be
replenished by further consumption. After adequate salts have been
established then potassium balance may be addressed, but without EMG
and ECG studies you cannot be certain that the body has the optimal
balance with a single mixture. I think it is far better to satisfy
basic salinity requirements through salt-water and once satisfied (as
evidenced by a downturn in the desirability) then one should turn to a
fruit for the potassium and magnesium. It is more likely that
magnesium is primarily required and my study leads me to believe that
magnesium chloride is the best form to ingest (as desired in dilute
form) or rub on the skin in a saturated solution.
datakoll
Jun 5, 2012, 8:12:23 PM6/5/12
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TRY ONLINE:
understanding sugar
sugar facts
eating glucose sucrose devtrose
nutrition: all of the above including corn syrup
yeah yawl should kick red meat, CHOH, table sugar, reduce salt 88%,
drink 4 times spring or distilled water and NEVER tap water, reduce coffe 88%, kick milk, cheese, hot dogs, spam, all fats, eat more grains, aka grits, wheat, ect....simple. Tomato Sauce NO SALT !
understanding sugar
sugar facts
eating glucose sucrose devtrose
nutrition: all of the above including corn syrup
yeah yawl should kick red meat, CHOH, table sugar, reduce salt 88%,
drink 4 times spring or distilled water and NEVER tap water, reduce coffe 88%, kick milk, cheese, hot dogs, spam, all fats, eat more grains, aka grits, wheat, ect....simple. Tomato Sauce NO SALT !
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 5, 2012, 11:16:08 PM6/5/12
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datakoll
Jun 5, 2012, 11:39:04 PM6/5/12
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MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=BAJA+SALT+WORKS+GUERRERO+NEGRO&oq=BAJA+SALT+WORKS+GUERRERO+NEGRO&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.12...4154.17102.1.19386.30.28.0.0.0.4.3240.21266.2-1j1j4j6j3j2j4j1.22.0...0.0.95kZED1nsVw&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=190edb001faa8126&biw=948&bih=524
Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=BAJA+SALT+WORKS+GUERRERO+NEGRO&oq=BAJA+SALT+WORKS+GUERRERO+NEGRO&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.12...4154.17102.1.19386.30.28.0.0.0.4.3240.21266.2-1j1j4j6j3j2j4j1.22.0...0.0.95kZED1nsVw&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=190edb001faa8126&biw=948&bih=524
datakoll
Jun 5, 2012, 11:57:16 PM6/5/12
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thirty-six
Jun 6, 2012, 12:04:31 AM6/6/12
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On Jun 6, 4:39 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
If you attemot to consume an excessive amount of salt you throw-up.
> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
It is not possible to overconsume it, you get too ill if you do not
drink adequate amounts of water.
>
> Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
> I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
sure which side of the fence you are.
>
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
Dan O
Jun 6, 2012, 12:44:54 AM6/6/12
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On Jun 5, 8:39 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
I read a ~credible PDF once that said drink to thirst, have food
> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
available, don't bother trying to explicitly replensih salt once the
exertion is underway.
> I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
>
Ocena is the awesomeness
Dan O
Jun 6, 2012, 12:45:38 AM6/6/12
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On Jun 5, 9:04 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 4:39 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
> On Jun 6, 4:39 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
>
> Almost totally incomprehensible. Must try harder. I'm really not
> sure which side of the fence you are.
>
<snip>
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 6, 2012, 1:51:42 AM6/6/12
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On 6/5/2012 11:04 PM, thirty-six wrote:
> On Jun 6, 4:39 am, datakoll<datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> If you attemot to consume an excessive amount of salt you throw-up.
> It is not possible to overconsume it, you get too ill if you do not
> drink adequate amounts of water.
<http://bdnpull.bangorpublishing.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ROADSALT_1_LCO_7128781.jpg>
> On Jun 6, 4:39 am, datakoll<datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> If you attemot to consume an excessive amount of salt you throw-up.
> It is not possible to overconsume it, you get too ill if you do not
> drink adequate amounts of water.
thirty-six
Jun 6, 2012, 11:23:01 AM6/6/12
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On Jun 6, 5:44 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 8:39 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> > Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
> I read a ~credible PDF once that said drink to thirst, have food
> available, don't bother trying to explicitly replensih salt once the
> exertion is underway.
How credulous would you like to be?
> On Jun 5, 8:39 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> > Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
> I read a ~credible PDF once that said drink to thirst, have food
> available, don't bother trying to explicitly replensih salt once the
> exertion is underway.
AMuzi
Jun 6, 2012, 12:09:46 PM6/6/12
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Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said,
" I drink before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I
shift before the hill"
YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and
drugs) worked for him.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 6, 2012, 11:08:58 PM6/6/12
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On 6/6/2012 11:09 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said, " I drink
> before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I shift before the hill"
>
> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and drugs) worked
> for him.
Family Values™, eh?
> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said, " I drink
> before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I shift before the hill"
>
> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and drugs) worked
> for him.
AMuzi
Jun 7, 2012, 12:46:42 AM6/7/12
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Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> On 6/6/2012 11:09 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
>> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said, " I drink
>> before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I shift before the hill"
>>
>> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and drugs) worked
>> for him.
>
> Family Valuesâ„¢, eh?
> On 6/6/2012 11:09 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
>> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said, " I drink
>> before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I shift before the hill"
>>
>> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and drugs) worked
>> for him.
>
>
Victory has a thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 7, 2012, 2:12:08 AM6/7/12
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On 6/6/2012 11:46 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
> Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 6/6/2012 11:09 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
>>> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said, " I drink
>>> before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I shift before the hill"
>>>
>>> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and drugs) worked
>>> for him.
>>
>> Family Valuesâ„¢, eh?
>>
>
> Victory has a thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan.
>
Nope. Victory comes from 1900 Highway 71, Spirit Lake, Iowa.
> Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 6/6/2012 11:09 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
>>> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said, " I drink
>>> before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I shift before the hill"
>>>
>>> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and drugs) worked
>>> for him.
>>
>> Family Valuesâ„¢, eh?
>>
>
> Victory has a thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan.
>
<https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1900+Highway+71,+Spirit+Lake,+IA&hl=en&ll=43.421126,-95.128405&spn=0.002077,0.005284&sll=43.421056,-95.128083&sspn=0.002077,0.005284&t=h&hnear=1900+U.S.+71,+Spirit+Lake,+Iowa+51360&z=18>
thirty-six
Jun 7, 2012, 2:00:40 PM6/7/12
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thirty-six
Jun 7, 2012, 2:27:16 PM6/7/12
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moderation (50ml). Sugar is OK after fasting, in moderation (2tsp).
Distilled water will leach the body of minerals unless suitably
dosed. Tap water my be particularly bad due tp the specific pipes
one's supply is delivered by. Drink sufficient water to eliminate
pain and urine is straw cploured, at least 20floz in morning and same
before retiring. Coffee is a useful stimulant, especially when one
wants to trigger fat metabolism or just need an improvement in
circulation to reduce acidosis. One should use it judiciously. Milk
is probably generally bad for any man over 25 due to the high calcium
and low magnesium content. Women tend to have a better tolerance (at
least physically, not mentally). Cheese can probably be eaten at
will, as long as it isn't disguised with pickles or sauces. I
wouldn't eat a frozen dog, or anything which is a product rather than
a food. Spam probably not good due to nitrates/nitrites. It's not to
my liking, in UK we can use the Polish canned ham called PEK which is
rather good as I remember. There are such things as essential fatty
acids which can only be obtained by eating saturated fats, they are
essential to good health, do not restrict them. Grain will fatten you
for slaughter! Use grain only after all the essential foods have been
consumed. Essentials are fats, greens and protein. Salt is also
essential and is perfectly safe to take as per taste as long as you
use unrefined sea salt without anti-caking. Salt assists the
hydration of the muscle cells. Excess, in a healthy body, is excreted
with the urine. Drink sufficient water as already detailed.
thirty-six
Jun 7, 2012, 2:37:09 PM6/7/12
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On Jun 3, 4:46 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >>> Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
> >>>> On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
> >>>>> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
> >>>>> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
> >>>>> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>
> >>>> I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
> >>>> Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
> >>>> to buy a bottle of water.
>
> >>> Yes misjudging the weater is a classic one. Only your own pride is
> >>> holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
> >>> or fill up your bottle. The times I had to, the people were very
> >>> generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
> >>> bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
>
> >> In more remote parts of the US, the person answering the door could be
> >> holding a loaded gun and asking why the hell are you bothering them.
> >> These people live out of the way for a reason.
>
> > Perhaps one day you might actually meet and talk with a gun owner since
> > you obviously have no idea about their uses limits.
>
> All three incidences of people firing warning shots in my general
> direction have been in rural Wisconsin. Never had a gun discharged in
> my direction in Havenwoods or Metcalf Park (i.e., parts of the Milwaukee
> 'hood).
>
> And in the days before mobile phones I had a breakdown in Forgottonia
> (west central Illinois), and when I knocked on the door, the man opening
> it was holding a shotgun, with the women in the room saying "what the
> hell do you want?" to me.
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of kooks out there with
> guns.
>
> Oh, and I should mention while in elementary school in rural Wisconsin,
> I had a couple of classmates killed when accidentally shot by siblings.
>
Did Pop remember to lock the gunsafe after that?
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 6/2/2012 9:26 AM, A. Muzi wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> >> On 6/1/2012 8:22 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> >>> Op 1-6-2012 5:33, Wes Groleau schreef:
> >>>> On 05-31-2012 13:14, Dan O wrote:
> >>>>> Riding home last night, felt about to bonk with close to ten miles to
> >>>>> go. I've pushed through this plenty of times before, but never
> >>>>> without a mojo bar or*something* in my bag. (End of month; no money;
>
> >>>> I misjudged the weather and thought two small Red Bull would suffice.
> >>>> Two-thirds of the way home I was knocking on a farm house door offering
> >>>> to buy a bottle of water.
>
> >>> Yes misjudging the weater is a classic one. Only your own pride is
> >>> holding you back to knock on someones door to ask for something to eat
> >>> or fill up your bottle. The times I had to, the people were very
> >>> generous and helpfull after I explained my situation. Cookies, candy
> >>> bars, sandwiches and a lady would even cook me a meal once.
>
> >> In more remote parts of the US, the person answering the door could be
> >> holding a loaded gun and asking why the hell are you bothering them.
> >> These people live out of the way for a reason.
>
> > Perhaps one day you might actually meet and talk with a gun owner since
> > you obviously have no idea about their uses limits.
>
> All three incidences of people firing warning shots in my general
> direction have been in rural Wisconsin. Never had a gun discharged in
> my direction in Havenwoods or Metcalf Park (i.e., parts of the Milwaukee
> 'hood).
>
> And in the days before mobile phones I had a breakdown in Forgottonia
> (west central Illinois), and when I knocked on the door, the man opening
> it was holding a shotgun, with the women in the room saying "what the
> hell do you want?" to me.
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of kooks out there with
> guns.
>
> Oh, and I should mention while in elementary school in rural Wisconsin,
> I had a couple of classmates killed when accidentally shot by siblings.
>
Did Pop remember to lock the gunsafe after that?
thirty-six
Jun 7, 2012, 2:42:59 PM6/7/12
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On Jun 6, 4:57 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ONCE AGAIN we chose a balanced neutral reference
>
> http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt/
"The government says ..."
> ONCE AGAIN we chose a balanced neutral reference
>
> http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt/
That's all I need to know about that reference. Neutral my arse, more
likr nuetered.
thirty-six
Jun 7, 2012, 2:49:29 PM6/7/12
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On Jun 2, 6:04 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> yeah. I overdidit one day doing a loop of errands. poor planning for nutrition in an area devoid of 7/11...
>
> when I 'got back', leg muscles stiffened, I couldn't walk. Had to lay on ground waiting for muscle chemistry's resolution to rebalance back into a continuing life form.
That'll be an excess of calcium. You can move it with salt, drink
salted water (a quart with a teaspoon of seasalt) and increase
magnesium rich foods (greens). Eat greens with every meal in future
until you no longer get stiff following prolonged excercise. Use a
hot bath and a massage after consuming buttered spinach with salt and
a quart of light beer for quick recovery.
>
> enter the back day pack, always stocked with cliff bars, bike tools (inflator!), bug net (REI), gloves, sunscreen, $$$, Mace, leatherman, sink,
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> yeah. I overdidit one day doing a loop of errands. poor planning for nutrition in an area devoid of 7/11...
>
> when I 'got back', leg muscles stiffened, I couldn't walk. Had to lay on ground waiting for muscle chemistry's resolution to rebalance back into a continuing life form.
That'll be an excess of calcium. You can move it with salt, drink
salted water (a quart with a teaspoon of seasalt) and increase
magnesium rich foods (greens). Eat greens with every meal in future
until you no longer get stiff following prolonged excercise. Use a
hot bath and a massage after consuming buttered spinach with salt and
a quart of light beer for quick recovery.
>
> enter the back day pack, always stocked with cliff bars, bike tools (inflator!), bug net (REI), gloves, sunscreen, $$$, Mace, leatherman, sink,
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 7, 2012, 8:07:03 PM6/7/12
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On 6/7/2012 1:27 PM, thirty-six wrote:
> [...]
> I wouldn't eat a frozen dog,[...]
You can get frozen dog meat in the UK?
> [...]
> I wouldn't eat a frozen dog,[...]
You can get frozen dog meat in the UK?
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 7, 2012, 8:10:21 PM6/7/12
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On 6/7/2012 1:37 PM, thirty-six wrote:
> On Jun 3, 4:46 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>> [...]
> On Jun 3, 4:46 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>> Oh, and I should mention while in elementary school in rural Wisconsin,
>> I had a couple of classmates killed when accidentally shot by siblings.
>>
>
> Did Pop remember to lock the gunsafe after that?
Most people did not have gun safes back then, or removable trigger locks.
>> I had a couple of classmates killed when accidentally shot by siblings.
>>
>
> Did Pop remember to lock the gunsafe after that?
So far the NRA has not promoted concealed carry for pre-teen children.
^^^^^^
thirty-six
Jun 7, 2012, 8:44:16 PM6/7/12
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On Jun 8, 1:07 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
where that mince comes from. It could well be dog and would likely be
frozen if it came from China or Thailand. I don't believe there is
sufficient checks to ensure the safety of the food supplied by outside
caterers. It's odd stuff anyway, not idetifiably chicken, mutton or
beef. It could be a rather flavourless Danish pork coloured and
salted so as to make one imagine it is beef. I doubt it would be
horse. It may as well be dog. It might be illegal to raise dogs for
meat here and it might be illegal to import dog meat. What else are
we to believe that is meat from unknown origin? Hmm, could be
turkey. I'll bet it's been a mix of pork and turkey bits (don't even
think), both of lowest nutrtional value.
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 6/7/2012 1:27 PM, thirty-six wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > I wouldn't eat a frozen dog,[...]
>
> You can get frozen dog meat in the UK?
>
Caterers for NHS hospitals serve 'mince'. There's no restriction on
> On 6/7/2012 1:27 PM, thirty-six wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > I wouldn't eat a frozen dog,[...]
>
> You can get frozen dog meat in the UK?
>
where that mince comes from. It could well be dog and would likely be
frozen if it came from China or Thailand. I don't believe there is
sufficient checks to ensure the safety of the food supplied by outside
caterers. It's odd stuff anyway, not idetifiably chicken, mutton or
beef. It could be a rather flavourless Danish pork coloured and
salted so as to make one imagine it is beef. I doubt it would be
horse. It may as well be dog. It might be illegal to raise dogs for
meat here and it might be illegal to import dog meat. What else are
we to believe that is meat from unknown origin? Hmm, could be
turkey. I'll bet it's been a mix of pork and turkey bits (don't even
think), both of lowest nutrtional value.
Dan O
Jun 7, 2012, 10:43:23 PM6/7/12
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approaching significant discomfort or circulation issues; I just meant
feel like I've been in the saddle longer than I 'm accustomed to. I
do the same thing with my hands and feet.
Wes Groleau
Jun 7, 2012, 11:35:37 PM6/7/12
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On 06-07-2012 20:10, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> So far the NRA has not promoted concealed carry for pre-teen children.
A few years ago, I read an article about a fifth grader suspended for
> So far the NRA has not promoted concealed carry for pre-teen children.
bringing a pistol to school. NRA definitely jumped in on that one.
--
Wes Groleau
A bureaucrat is someone who cuts red tape lengthwise.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 7, 2012, 11:36:27 PM6/7/12
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thirty-six
Jun 8, 2012, 6:35:30 AM6/8/12
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On Jun 8, 4:36 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
I'd guess that's mechanically-recovered-poultry. That wasn't it. The
mince certainly had a meaty texture (oh dear it could have been
ungodly soy) disguised with a beef-extract and caramel. Come to think
of it I didn't see it printed that it was meat, only referred to as
meat, verbally by the servers.
mince certainly had a meaty texture (oh dear it could have been
ungodly soy) disguised with a beef-extract and caramel. Come to think
of it I didn't see it printed that it was meat, only referred to as
meat, verbally by the servers.
John B.
Jun 8, 2012, 7:36:20 AM6/8/12
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government has authorized for the national "banger" ( is it you call
them?) or sausage. To be frank, I wouldn't feed my dog on that.
By the way, according to a rather adventurous friend, "dog,
particularly puppy, is actual quite tasty."
John B.
Jun 8, 2012, 7:36:20 AM6/8/12
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while, according to the vegetarians, soy is good for you.
thirty-six
Jun 8, 2012, 6:27:15 AM6/8/12
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stopped greasing my chamois (genuine) and used only natural soap to
wash it (Lux flakes or Sunlight bar soap). Sometimes I used other
soaps sold as toiletry soaps whose names presently escape me (and
generally too expensive). The trick is to wash to clean rinse water
then resoap before drying by pressing then hang on the line. This
stopped my shorts getting wet and uncomfortable, which resulted in me
staying planted in that seat just as long as I could in my Brooks
Competition. The Regal still turns a bit soft after a few hours in
the summer, but I was told there were weight specific variations on
this saddle and I got an unmarked one. I guess the saddle I have is
for the more typical 11st and under rider rather than me at 12st and
over. Anyway my weight is coming down, so there may be a point when
I can enjoy long rides without the saddle feeling squidgy..
datakoll
Jun 8, 2012, 11:27:49 AM6/8/12
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soon cannibalism ! its Pict eat Pict in GB
AMuzi
Jun 8, 2012, 1:03:29 PM6/8/12
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That industry recovered over a million steers' worth of beef
per year which would otherwise be wasted with zero incidence
of contamination (more than any other process can claim).
So a catchy derogative name slapped on by the nattering
media struck a blow for inefficiency and waste, unemployment
and bankruptcy. As usual, while The Smug Ones move on to
another hapless victim.
thirty-six
Jun 8, 2012, 4:37:05 PM6/8/12
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keep eating pork-belly, black pudding and liver until I find something
else which tastes so good. Meat fat contains the essential fatty-
acids our bodies need to function correctly. Without good fat we
die. We need it for our hormones, we need it to insulate our nerves,
we need it to insulate us from our environment.
John B.
Jun 8, 2012, 8:23:24 PM6/8/12
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vegetarian as well as many Buddhists throughout Asia. One would think
without this essential ingredient, meat fat, they would have all
withered away by now, rather then having an astonishingly high birth
rate.
Wes Groleau
Jun 8, 2012, 11:57:07 PM6/8/12
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I've lost track of who all wrote:
>>> "Pink slime":
>>> <http://www.self.com/health/blogs/healthyself/pink-slime.jpg>.
>>
>> I'd guess that's mechanically-recovered-poultry. That wasn't it. The
>> mince certainly had a meaty texture (oh dear it could have been
>> ungodly soy) disguised with a beef-extract and caramel. Come to think
>> of it I didn't see it printed that it was meat, only referred to as
>> meat, verbally by the servers.
>
> It was a patently unfair smear campaign.
>
> That industry recovered over a million steers' worth of beef per year
> which would otherwise be wasted with zero incidence of contamination
> (more than any other process can claim).
>
> So a catchy derogative name slapped on by the nattering media struck a
> blow for inefficiency and waste, unemployment and bankruptcy. As usual,
> while The Smug Ones move on to another hapless victim.
I don't trust the detractors OR the defenders. But here's an article
>>> "Pink slime":
>>> <http://www.self.com/health/blogs/healthyself/pink-slime.jpg>.
>>
>> I'd guess that's mechanically-recovered-poultry. That wasn't it. The
>> mince certainly had a meaty texture (oh dear it could have been
>> ungodly soy) disguised with a beef-extract and caramel. Come to think
>> of it I didn't see it printed that it was meat, only referred to as
>> meat, verbally by the servers.
>
> It was a patently unfair smear campaign.
>
> That industry recovered over a million steers' worth of beef per year
> which would otherwise be wasted with zero incidence of contamination
> (more than any other process can claim).
>
> So a catchy derogative name slapped on by the nattering media struck a
> blow for inefficiency and waste, unemployment and bankruptcy. As usual,
> while The Smug Ones move on to another hapless victim.
that makes an effort (or at least a pretense) of telling the whole
story: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime>
(But it wasn't the nattering media that clapped on the stupid name.)
--
Wes Groleau
Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/
thirty-six
Jun 9, 2012, 7:14:43 AM6/9/12
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aasking fo beefburgers in a bun rather than hamburgers as the
hanburgers sometimes weren't so nice and I knew that 'beefburger' was
a protected term just like 'pork sausage'. I think all our corned
beef has been from Argentina or Brazil which are generally of high
grade although I did stop eating it because of high levels of salt in
my body that even simply salted meat would knacker me for a day. I
get the little cans now and seem safe with them if I eat greens and
not bread.
John B.
Jun 9, 2012, 8:23:32 AM6/9/12
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on a shingle" was a popular breakfast meal?
thirty-six
Jun 9, 2012, 9:57:56 AM6/9/12
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Iikely ate too much white shite in detriment to my fat intake and the
mileage on the bike and work took it's toll. My meals shrank still
maintaining similar ratios of meat, fat and carbs and I grew weaker.
This would not have occured in service, I'd have received medical
treatment rather than a dead-end diagnosis with no treatment. Unless
you have essential bits blown off, UK service personel are generally
well-cared for, so disease rarely takes hold.
thirty-six
Jun 9, 2012, 10:13:20 AM6/9/12
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On Jun 6, 5:09 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Dan O wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 8:39 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> >> Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
> > I read a ~credible PDF once that said drink to thirst, have food
> > available, don't bother trying to explicitly replensih salt once the
> > exertion is underway.
>
> >> I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
>
> >>https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> > Ocena is the awesomeness
> > "... said drink to thirst, have food available... "
racing convention in France yet so enormously successful. There are
some queer parts to his character which I put down to how fate has
played him. I've got a book somewhere which I havn't finished, so
I've taken the lazy way and checked out Youtube and this presents
something of the man and his ideals.
http://youtu.be/u3sOezcnHoU
there's another 5 parts to check.
> Dan O wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 8:39 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> MORE BS from the food industry. Over use of salt comes from pre refridgeration.
>
> >> Salt tablets, once deriguer, are not recommmended NOT !
>
> > I read a ~credible PDF once that said drink to thirst, have food
> > available, don't bother trying to explicitly replensih salt once the
> > exertion is underway.
>
> >> I was here for whales. Whatta spread. It suck in vast ocean on a vast plain of stepped lagoons and evaps under a broiling sun.
>
> >>https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> > Ocena is the awesomeness
> > "... said drink to thirst, have food available... "
>
> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said,
> " I drink before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I
> shift before the hill"
>
> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and
> drugs) worked for him.
>
A most interesting cylist due to his apparent disregard for cycle
> Anquetil, who won everything, and repeatedly, famously said,
> " I drink before I am thirsty, I eat before I am hungry, I
> shift before the hill"
>
> YMMV, but that (and copious amounts of alcohol, sex and
> drugs) worked for him.
>
racing convention in France yet so enormously successful. There are
some queer parts to his character which I put down to how fate has
played him. I've got a book somewhere which I havn't finished, so
I've taken the lazy way and checked out Youtube and this presents
something of the man and his ideals.
http://youtu.be/u3sOezcnHoU
there's another 5 parts to check.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 9, 2012, 11:42:36 AM6/9/12
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thirty-six
Jun 9, 2012, 1:28:38 PM6/9/12
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On Jun 9, 4:42 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
There is a better way, without the use of chemical washing, but more
expensive because the processor would have to can the stuff. It'd
help if the butchers used clean buckets and the trimmings processed as
and when available.
expensive because the processor would have to can the stuff. It'd
help if the butchers used clean buckets and the trimmings processed as
and when available.
datakoll
Jun 9, 2012, 1:46:27 PM6/9/12
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you run road kill thru a centrifuge ?
this has something to do with missile silos and long winters ?
this has something to do with missile silos and long winters ?
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