Re: EGGHEADS CAUGHT BULLSHITTING - ROFLMBFAO!
Andre Jute
> Even the New York Slimes can't spin this one away -
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
>
> The Boston Herald weighs in -
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=121348...
>
> Gosh, this is *ever* so shocking - I mean, who knew?
> Oops, I mean, who *didn't* know? Evidently, just the
> pack of Green Weenies, Watermelons and Ecotards
> who infect these sorry-ass boards...
>
> 'Scuse me, I gotta go laugh now...toodle-oo, pip-pip, etc.
>
> OK, commence spinning.
>
> Lord Valve
> Globally Cool
Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
global warming out of a mucky teacup.
Andre Jute
Global Warming is like Scientology, only with less science -- and I
said it long before the Hadley Hack exposed those clowns as crooks
Dave
> Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
> all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
> Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
> overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
> global warming out of a mucky teacup.
I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a rebel
whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious dissent. What's
funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global Warming Church." The vast
majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening, and that there IS a human
component to it. You're the religious zealot ignoring and twisting science
to suit your agenda, either for personal gain or latent adolescent
nonconformity.
Bill Sornson
Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195
Face it, losers: the wheels are (finally) coming off the Church of Global
Warming Alarmism bandwagon.
Bill "better late than TOO late" S.
landotter
> Dave wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> >> Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward to
> >> all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global Warming
> >> Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the Scientology
> >> overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They sure as hell got
> >> global warming out of a mucky teacup.
>
> > I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a
> > rebel whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious
> > dissent. What's funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global
> > Warming Church." The vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS
> > happening, and that there IS a human component to it. You're the
> > religious zealot ignoring and twisting science to suit your agenda,
> > either for personal gain or latent adolescent nonconformity.
>
> Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
>
A blog claims that there is a smoking gun, but doesn't provide any
sort of evidence. FAIL.
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-gl...
An unsigned editorial from the Moonie owned Times is also hysterical
without presenting any shred of damning evidence of a conspiracy.
>
> http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195
OK, a third opinion piece that's also unsigned foments further right
wing authoritarian hysteria...again with no evidence.
>
> Face it, losers: the wheels are (finally) coming off the Church of Global
> Warming Alarmism bandwagon.
>
But you've provided no evidence, simply links to hysterical op/eds.
Neil Brooks
Please don't (further) confuse Bill.
Ouroboros Rex
Nice series of right wing lie articles. Now, where is the actual
wrongdoing?
Bill Sornson
LOL Just keep sticking your head in the (now cooling) earth, Anonymous
Ostrich.
Saying "the vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening" is like
saying that the vast majority of doctors are in favor of ObamaCare.
Dressing 'em up and putting them in the Rose Garden doesn't make it true.
Funny how the NYT and WP aren't reporting the /content/ of the smoking gun
e-mails, just that they were hacked.
Enjoy your ideological delusion while it lasts. The wheels are coming off
and it's going to get /really/ bumpy down the road.
BS (really)
Bill Sornson
PS: Here are two more fer ya:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704779704574552533758682774.html
Bill "by all means, attack the SOURCES and not their SUBSTANCE" S.
TPS
> Ouroboros Rex wrote:
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Dave wrote:
> >>> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> Hey, don't sound so pleased. I'm a cyclist. I was looking forward
> >>>> to all those hi-temp days those lying bastards of the Global
> >>>> Warming Church promised me. Lying scumbags musta believed the
> >>>> Scientology overinflation of their intelligence quotients. They
> >>>> sure as hell got global warming out of a mucky teacup.
>
> >>> I'm not sure if you're a lying-bastard-fuel-industry stooge, or a
> >>> rebel whose only cause is stroking his own ego with fallacious
> >>> dissent. What's funny is your arrogant reference to the "Global
> >>> Warming Church." The vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS
> >>> happening, and that there IS a human component to it. You're the
> >>> religious zealot ignoring and twisting science to suit your agenda,
> >>> either for personal gain or latent adolescent nonconformity.
>
> >> Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
>
>
> >>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-gl...
>
> >>http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195
>
> >> Face it, losers: the wheels are (finally) coming off the Church of
> >> Global Warming Alarmism bandwagon.
>
> >> Bill "better late than TOO late" S.
>
> > Nice series of right wing lie articles. Now, where is the actual
> > wrongdoing?
>
> LOL Just keep sticking your head in the (now cooling) earth, Anonymous
> Ostrich.
>
> Saying "the vast majority of scientists agree that GW IS happening" is like
> saying that the vast majority of doctors are in favor of ObamaCare.
> Dressing 'em up and putting them in the Rose Garden doesn't make it true.
>
> Funny how the NYT and WP aren't reporting the /content/ of the smoking gun
> e-mails, just that they were hacked.
>
> Enjoy your ideological delusion while it lasts. The wheels are coming off
> and it's going to get /really/ bumpy down the road.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
The NYT posted a link to the emails, so you can see for yourself.
Andre Jute
Gee, I start a dozen threads that between them constitute a
comprehensive condemnation of the fraud of global warming, and you
don't object to a single technical or ethical point, but when I make a
joke with friends, there you are, all abrasive with your silly attempt
at character assassination.
Ever hear of a sense of perspective, sonny?
Andre Jute
Reformed petrol head
Car-free since 1992
Greener than thou!
Bill Sornson
> because of the 'hacked' data.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/yamal_scandal/
>
> "Hokey hockey sticks
> Mann too used dendrochronology to chill temperatures, and rebuffed
> attempts to publish his measurement data. Initially he said he had
> forgotten where he put it, then declined to disclosed it. (Some of
> Mann's data was eventually discovered, by accident, on his ftp server
> in a directory entitled 'BACKTO_1400-CENSORED'.)
>
> Tree data was secondary in importance to Mann's statistical technique,
> which would produce a dramatic modern upturn in temperatures - which
> became nicknamed the "Hockey Stick" - even using red noise.
> .
> .
> .
> All the papers come from a small but closely knit of scientists who
> mutually support each other's work. All use Yamal data. And without
> the Yamal data, the temperature record shows a very different shape.
> .
> .
> .
> The scandal has serious implications for public trust in science. The
> IPCC's mission is to reflect the science, not create it.
>
> As the panel states, its duty is "assessing the scientific, technical
> and socioeconomic information relevant for the understanding of the
> risk of human-induced climate change. It does not carry out new
> research nor does it monitor climate-related data." But as lead
> author, Briffa was a key contributor in shaping (no pun intended) the
> assessment. A small group was able to rewrite history.
>
> When the IPCC was alerted to peer-reviewed research that refuted the
> idea, it declined to include it. This leads to the more general, and
> more serious issue: what happens when peer-review fails - as it did
> here?
>
> The scandal has only come to light because of the dogged persistence
> of a Canadian mathematician who attempted to reproduce the results.
> Steve McIntyre has written dozens of letters requesting the data and
> methodology, and over 7,000 blog posts. Yet Yamal has remained elusive
> for almost a decade. "
Indeed. The hacked e-mails and other recent disclosures weren't
/revelations/ of global warming hoaxism, they were /affirmations/ of what
any honest, objective person already knew (or strongly suspected). Ostrich
Alarmist Nuts excluded, of course.
BS
Bill Sornson
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:14:55 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com>
> emails comprise less than 5% of the total byte count with the rest
> being 'documents', 'code', and 'data' for... guess what...
> reconstructing the temperature series... including Yamal. That, and
> the no so hard to decode file name FOIA is why I say there's a lot
> more to this than what's bubbling around on the surface.
>
> I find it strange that a 'hacker' would be so interested in tree ring
> data sets.
>
> On another note, here's an interesting included pdf: "RulesOfTheGame."
>
> It opens by explaining: "The game is communicating
> climate change; the rules will help us win it."
>
> This from what is supposedly a group of scientists interested only in
> 'where the science takes us' no matter what that might be.
>
> It's so refreshing to see "pure science" at work. No politics here, no
> sir.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't many hundreds of these documents,
files, data and e-mails subject to Freedom of Information Requests that had
been or are being ignored and worse (destroyed, deleted and altered records,
for example)?
As with all things AlGore-ish, OF WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID?
Bill "it's so pathetic it's almost amusing" S.
Ben C
[...]
> On another note, here's an interesting included pdf: "RulesOfTheGame."
>
> It opens by explaining: "The game is communicating
> climate change; the rules will help us win it."
>
> This from what is supposedly a group of scientists interested only in
> 'where the science takes us' no matter what that might be.
>
> It's so refreshing to see "pure science" at work. No politics here, no
> sir.
I don't think that "Rules of the Game" leaflet is written by the
so-called scientists-- it's written by the government (or one of their
quangos) and is just the usual kind of bullshit we expect from them.
Andre Jute
> On another note, here's an interesting included pdf: "RulesOfTheGame."
>
> It opens by explaining: "The game is communicating
> climate change; the rules will help us win it."
Apparently in climate sciences "science" means winning the argument,
not proving the hypthesis.
> This from what is supposedly a group of scientists interested only in
> 'where the science takes us' no matter what that might be.
>
> It's so refreshing to see "pure science" at work. No politics here, no
> sir.
LOL.
Makes one wonder, if "the science is settled" and "there is a
consensus of scientists" why these guys -- after all, they're the
world's leading global waming "scientists" -- should be so defensive.
What is it they fear? Looks like their fear is inspired by their self
knowledge that they lied, and lied, and lied, that their "science" was
crooked from the beginning.
Ron Bales thinks that some of them may be true believers in the
hypothesis that manmade CO2 causes global warming, and lying for their
faith; certainly some despair has been expressed in the Hadley Hack
about their inability to prove the hypothesis, in the stubborn
resistance of real life to follow their cooked data-based predictions.
If Ron is right, these people must be incredibly stupid as well as
incredibly crooked. One can forgive (and be amused by) undergraduate
idiots like Ben Weiner and Bill Asher for falling for this crap, but
the senior scientists who in the first instance cooked the data *know*
what they've done -- which accounts for their fear of Freedom of
Information disclosure -- and are scientists beside: for them this
sort of self-delusion is also a self-disqualification from their
chosen profession.
Andre Jute
“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” -- Jonathan Overpeck,
climate "scientist", IPCC writer
landotter
>
> >>>>>>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-gl...
No. You are wrong. It's typical of conspiracists like yourself to just
make shit up, though.
>
> As with all things AlGore-ish, OF WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID?
>
I think they're afraid of irrational right wing authoritarian goons
like you, if they're afraid of anything. It wasn't scientists and
rational thinkers that committed the crime of breaking into their
server--it was nuts like you. Of course--you don't see crime if it's
your faction that's guilty. That's typical for those that score off
the chart on the authoritarian retard scale.
Would you care to cement my opinion of you by lying some more? Perhaps
you want to talk about fear and just punishment or some other
stereotypical thing that people with your personality disorder usually
fall back on.
Bill Sornson
Norman
from file mail/1107454306.txt
At 09:41 AM 2/2/2005, Phil Jones wrote:
Mike,
I presume congratulations are in order - so congrats etc !
Just sent loads of station data to Scott. Make sure he
documents everything better
this time ! And don't leave stuff lying around on ftp sites -
you never know who is
trawling
them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for
years. If they ever hear
there
is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll
delete the file rather than
send
to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond
to enquiries within
20 days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first
request will test it.
We also
have a data protection act, which I will hide behind.
>
> > As with all things AlGore-ish, OF WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID?
>
> I think they're afraid of irrational right wing authoritarian goons
> like you, if they're afraid of anything. It wasn't scientists and
> rational thinkers that committed the crime of breaking into their
> server--it was nuts like you. Of course--you don't see crime if it's
> your faction that's guilty. That's typical for those that score off
> the chart on the authoritarian retard scale.
>
The files were released to the BBC nearly a full week before
they appeared on the Russian server. The documents in
question are all subject to the various Freedom of Information
Acts of the countries in which they originated, the countries and
other jurisditions which funded these men, &/or the countries in
which the physical data resided. So perhaps you can explain
what crime was commited.
datakoll
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/global-warming-basics/
Bill Sornson
D'oh! LOL
>>> As with all things AlGore-ish, OF WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID?
>>
>> I think they're afraid of irrational right wing authoritarian goons
>> like you, if they're afraid of anything. It wasn't scientists and
>> rational thinkers that committed the crime of breaking into their
>> server--it was nuts like you. Of course--you don't see crime if it's
>> your faction that's guilty. That's typical for those that score off
>> the chart on the authoritarian retard scale.
>>
>
> The files were released to the BBC nearly a full week before
> they appeared on the Russian server. The documents in
> question are all subject to the various Freedom of Information
> Acts of the countries in which they originated, the countries and
> other jurisditions which funded these men, &/or the countries in
> which the physical data resided. So perhaps you can explain
> what crime was commited.
D'oh! LOL
Bill "earth's so hot little ground rat gonna freeze his toesies off" S.
datakoll
RATS SEEN CROSSING CANADIAN BORDER