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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 10, 2012, 12:42:13 PM5/10/12
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All the more reason to ride one. It works like this: You won't take a
loan to buy a bicycle. You won't feed Big Oil. You won't feed the
Insurance Industry. You'll be healthier, so you won't feed the Medical
Industry. You'll be an elusive target for lawyers and police that aim
at drivers. They won't nail you for DUI as easily. In other words,
YOU'LL BE FREE!
But freedom isn't free. You got no rights and any idiot in a car
(consumer) can push you around. And it works. Most people (the 99%)
simply stay away from enjoying a bike ride and end up getting into a
loan or driving a jalopy they can't afford. The other day I heard that
"feeding" a car amounts to feeding a family of four. That's why they
probably go hungry or miss a higher education. If this is not class
struggle, what is?
But that's only my humble opinion.
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loan to buy a bicycle. You won't feed Big Oil. You won't feed the
Insurance Industry. You'll be healthier, so you won't feed the Medical
Industry. You'll be an elusive target for lawyers and police that aim
at drivers. They won't nail you for DUI as easily. In other words,
YOU'LL BE FREE!
But freedom isn't free. You got no rights and any idiot in a car
(consumer) can push you around. And it works. Most people (the 99%)
simply stay away from enjoying a bike ride and end up getting into a
loan or driving a jalopy they can't afford. The other day I heard that
"feeding" a car amounts to feeding a family of four. That's why they
probably go hungry or miss a higher education. If this is not class
struggle, what is?
But that's only my humble opinion.
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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
von
May 10, 2012, 1:46:09 PM5/10/12
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I also see plenty of people on jalopy bikes because they either can't afford a jalopy car or they can't get a license for whatever reason. From what I've witnessed, this seems to be a significant population of cyclists that are generally ignored by the cycling illuminati but they are not ignored by Wal-mart.
...
von
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 11, 2012, 2:23:33 PM5/11/12
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and the bicycle culture. But a good bike could be found for under 300
bucks, still no need for a loan. And Kmart/Sears has layaway so no
excuse to feed the banks.
We must raise the level of the Proles with the revolution, not drag
down the elite cyclists. These are generally selfish and want no
revolution but we still can find room for them. There must be room for
every species, except those riding jalopy bikes without lights or
safety gear.
Sorry, this is not a totally proletarian revolution. We must clean our
image as drunks and immigrants before we can earn respect. We need
plenty of pretty girls on pretty bikes before we can sell the bike
culture.
http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/famke_jansen_bike_03.jpg
Postman Delivers
May 16, 2012, 6:07:44 PM5/16/12
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Von,
I could not read Tibetan Monkey's post...
Wal-mart, Kmart, or Target. Same bicycles in all big boxes stores, with
different decals on a Pacific products I am guessing.
A friend I and I were stopped for hydration and some food, at one of the
local casinos. We were at the bicycle racks, and three riders in Jeans
arrived for there work shift, and two of them were giving one rider a bad
time about his new form of transportation: Revoked drivers license, (DIU)
and he was was riding a new Next boat anchor with front and rear
suspension...
His new bicycle must weight 45 pounds, without the 5 pound chain & Lock
he needed. Since January, I have seen the number of bicycle commuters
double, and most are riding inexpensive fat tire (boat anchor) downhill
replica bicycles.
But some of the the riders that were on a bicycle last year, seem to have
upgraded to craigslist mid 90 hybrids, dumping the suspension style
bicycle.
Occasionally now I will see an aluminum hybrid & light weight road
bicycle, but for the most part the upgrades I am seeing are steel frame
hybrids under the more experienced riders I remember last year...
Last year it seems like all the commuters were riding fat tire (boat
anchor) downhill replica bicycles, and that is changing along with the
increased number of commuters riding to work here in the Vegas Valley.
We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
I would think there is enough bicycle traffic in some locations to
support a bicycle mobile repair vendor. Not all of the older bicycles
appear to be in the best shape and in some areas the bicycle trails or
right side of the road appears to be littered with glass most of the
week...
Bankers like to finance larger purchases, cars. Maybe easy credit for
Bicycles might increase the ridership and local Bike shop business, along
with more construction of interconnecting well lighted tree lined bicycle
trails to avoid some of the summer heat...
JR
Frank Krygowski
May 16, 2012, 6:18:42 PM5/16/12
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Postman Delivers wrote:
>
>
> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
>
>
> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want
the same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
--
- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
May 16, 2012, 7:43:53 PM5/16/12
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civil servants who decide these things.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Wes Groleau
May 16, 2012, 10:50:41 PM5/16/12
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On 05-16-2012 18:18, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
> specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want the
> same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
From my observations, I judge this to be false. When bikes are
> Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
> specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want the
> same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
present, most motorists stay out, line or not. When bikes are not
present, motorists ignore the lines.
--
Wes Groleau
He that complies against his will is of the same opinion still.
— Samuel Butler, 1612-1680
Werehatrack
May 16, 2012, 10:54:52 PM5/16/12
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On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:43:53 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > Postman Delivers wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> >> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> >> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
> >
> > Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
> > specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want
> > the same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
> >
>
> That's true, but it conflicts with the belief system of the
> civil servants who decide these things.
There are actually several practical advantages to the shared lane over the striped gutter, one of which is that cages don't block the entire lane by curbside parking. Here in Houston, Washington Ave (which is rapidly regentrifying) had been set up with a striped gutter lane for bikes a number of years ago, and it was a dismal failure because of the curbside parking that blocked the lane. When they repaved the road this past year, they restriped it to add a center left turn lane and they left the right lanes a bit wider than the left - with shared-lane markings to indicate that There Will Be Bikes Here, Pay Attention, OK? It has been an improvement, in my opinion - and Public Works likes it better than the old gutter, in part because it means they don't get calls about the gutter lane being full of glass shards every Monday morning. Oh, and believe it or not, with the gutter lane no longer there to give the cagepilots something to snuggle into, there are fewer cars parked at the curb anyway.
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > Postman Delivers wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> >> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> >> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
> >
> > Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
> > specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want
> > the same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
> >
>
> That's true, but it conflicts with the belief system of the
> civil servants who decide these things.
By the way, from experience here and elsewhere, it appears that Public Works types are a lot easier to get interested in things that are presented by folks who commute or regularly use a bike for transport but are not apparently "bike nuts" than when they get requests from what they view as capital-C Cyclists - which in their eyes seems to include anyone in spandex. So part of the key in getting stuff done is to show up for planning and council meetings in civvies, and if you show up on a bike (recommended), ride the hybrid instead of the roadie. You'll get taken more seriously.
Frank Krygowski
May 17, 2012, 10:20:39 AM5/17/12
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working, albeit slowly. For example, our metropolitan planning
organization finally began working on two-county bike transportation
maps, after years of my (mostly solo) urging.
I try to present bicycling as something normal, not something that is so
unusual it requires a superhero costume just to get to work or to a store.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Frank Krygowski
May 17, 2012, 10:24:05 AM5/17/12
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Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 05-16-2012 18:18, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
>> specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want the
>> same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
>
> From my observations, I judge this to be false. When bikes are present,
> most motorists stay out, line or not. When bikes are not present,
> motorists ignore the lines.
Well, that's inconsistent with the debris fields I see in bike lanes
> On 05-16-2012 18:18, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
>> specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want the
>> same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
>
> From my observations, I judge this to be false. When bikes are present,
> most motorists stay out, line or not. When bikes are not present,
> motorists ignore the lines.
around here. The debris field always seems to begin about 6" to the
right (in the U.S.) of the stripe. BTW, that's true whether the stripe
is an official bike lane stripe, or whether it's a fog line with lots of
space to the right, i.e. an "undesignated bike lane."
(The latter seem to get adopted as a way to placate segregationalists
without assuming legal responsibility for substandard designs.)
--
- Frank Krygowski
Sir Ridesalot
May 17, 2012, 10:25:10 AM5/17/12
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On May 11, 2:23 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/famke_janse...
Up here most bike shops will sell a bike on a layaway plan to. That's
a good way to get a decent bike and good service afterwards compared
to the service, r lack of service, at any department store.
Cheers
Up here most bike shops will sell a bike on a layaway plan to. That's
a good way to get a decent bike and good service afterwards compared
to the service, r lack of service, at any department store.
Cheers
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 17, 2012, 1:03:58 PM5/17/12
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On May 16, 7:43 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > Postman Delivers wrote:
>
> >> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> >> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> >> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
>
> > Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
> > specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want
> > the same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
>
> That's true, but it conflicts with the belief system of the
> civil servants who decide these things.
Our masters have an idea of what could be good for us, and we have
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > Postman Delivers wrote:
>
> >> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> >> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> >> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
>
> > Without the bike lane stripe, you won't need the pavement to be
> > specially cleaned of glass. Car tires will do it naturally. You want
> > the same total width of pavement, but no stripe.
>
> That's true, but it conflicts with the belief system of the
> civil servants who decide these things.
another. But it's because they never visit our world. Around here they
are painting bike lanes that don't connect, placing signs ("bicycle
may take full lane") that are almost invisible and marking "shared
lanes" on blind curves.
Nobody can complain that they are "ignoring" us.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 17, 2012, 1:44:03 PM5/17/12
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On May 16, 6:07 pm, Postman Delivers <JR_the_post...@xyzahoo.com>
wrote:
Good move but around here they seem to cling to the clunker. The
reality is that those clunkers don't get stolen that much and if they
do they can another one in the black market for 30 bucks. I'd start
requiring lights and papers before we can find a solution. Call it
"profiling" if you will. ;)
>
> Occasionally now I will see an aluminum hybrid & light weight road
> bicycle, but for the most part the upgrades I am seeing are steel frame
> hybrids under the more experienced riders I remember last year...
>
> Last year it seems like all the commuters were riding fat tire (boat
> anchor) downhill replica bicycles, and that is changing along with the
> increased number of commuters riding to work here in the Vegas Valley.
A beach cruiser can do a great job without going light. Throw in a
rack and you get a "perfect urban cruiser." You may say I have one of
the best bike collections in America, and today I'm riding my steel
beach cruiser with rack and basket that's a beauty to ride. And I'm
not tempting the "rats" with it. ;)
>
> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
In extreme hot weather (me and you) one perfect solution is to ride
more at night. Sadly that's not a solution for me. All my paths are
nearly impossible to negotiate, just one outing to the market some 2
miles away remains nearly trouble free.
>
> I would think there is enough bicycle traffic in some locations to
> support a bicycle mobile repair vendor. Not all of the older bicycles
> appear to be in the best shape and in some areas the bicycle trails or
> right side of the road appears to be littered with glass most of the
> week...
I agree it would be a good idea, maybe promoted by some bike
manufacturer and a membership like AAA.
>
> Bankers like to finance larger purchases, cars. Maybe easy credit for
> Bicycles might increase the ridership and local Bike shop business, along
> with more construction of interconnecting well lighted tree lined bicycle
> trails to avoid some of the summer heat...
>
> JR
The landscaping is here our worst enemy. ;)
It happens that it drains the public money while providing nothing but
grass. New corner spaces in my community make turning a nightmare. And
landscaping in the middle squeezes cyclists even more.
Teams upon teams of landscapers tend to this growing trend. I think
they are green as in "dollar" not trees.
wrote:
reality is that those clunkers don't get stolen that much and if they
do they can another one in the black market for 30 bucks. I'd start
requiring lights and papers before we can find a solution. Call it
"profiling" if you will. ;)
>
> Occasionally now I will see an aluminum hybrid & light weight road
> bicycle, but for the most part the upgrades I am seeing are steel frame
> hybrids under the more experienced riders I remember last year...
>
> Last year it seems like all the commuters were riding fat tire (boat
> anchor) downhill replica bicycles, and that is changing along with the
> increased number of commuters riding to work here in the Vegas Valley.
rack and you get a "perfect urban cruiser." You may say I have one of
the best bike collections in America, and today I'm riding my steel
beach cruiser with rack and basket that's a beauty to ride. And I'm
not tempting the "rats" with it. ;)
>
> We need more bicycle lanes, that intersect and are cleared of glass more
> than one a month/year. A slow ride home in 100 degree weather can become
> a hassle with a flat tire on the way home.
more at night. Sadly that's not a solution for me. All my paths are
nearly impossible to negotiate, just one outing to the market some 2
miles away remains nearly trouble free.
>
> I would think there is enough bicycle traffic in some locations to
> support a bicycle mobile repair vendor. Not all of the older bicycles
> appear to be in the best shape and in some areas the bicycle trails or
> right side of the road appears to be littered with glass most of the
> week...
manufacturer and a membership like AAA.
>
> Bankers like to finance larger purchases, cars. Maybe easy credit for
> Bicycles might increase the ridership and local Bike shop business, along
> with more construction of interconnecting well lighted tree lined bicycle
> trails to avoid some of the summer heat...
>
> JR
It happens that it drains the public money while providing nothing but
grass. New corner spaces in my community make turning a nightmare. And
landscaping in the middle squeezes cyclists even more.
Teams upon teams of landscapers tend to this growing trend. I think
they are green as in "dollar" not trees.
datakoll
May 17, 2012, 2:08:59 PM5/17/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 18, 2012, 2:43:25 PM5/18/12
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On May 17, 2:08 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
"Is Wall Street evil or what?"
It is said that the job of the philosopher is not to provide the
answers but to ask the right questions. And this is because "evil" is
sometimes in the eye of the beholder. I, for example, find Wall Street
evil, but doesn't mean they are. That's just my humble opinion. I
don't know if dogs have a sense of justice but Hitler's dog wouldn't
consider him evil. Neither did Eva Brown. He was a loving husband and
master.
Here the question is asked one more time:
"Occupy Wall Street: Don't Dehumanize The 'Evil Banker'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-fici/occupy-wall-street-dont-dehumanize-the-evil-_b_1468170.html
I'm a Beach Cruiser Philosopher and having a good time at the beach
riding a bicycle doesn't require money --that's if they provide the
path for it. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of money invested along
the seaside but it's not my thing. Perhaps if someone bothered to
investigate 80% of all money in this nation is invested within a mile
of the sea. You may find some of the bankers, lawyers and
entrepreneurs involved in "predatory lending" in coastal waters,
looking like you and me --with a big belly perhaps. And some of the
most eccentric toys money can buy are noisy cigarette boats and
polluting big yachts. Bizarre behavior. Lastly the NUDIST BEACH proves
that less is more, which is why I say "happiness is a nudist beach."
They --the bankers-- make a bitch.
> https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
"Is Wall Street evil or what?"
It is said that the job of the philosopher is not to provide the
answers but to ask the right questions. And this is because "evil" is
sometimes in the eye of the beholder. I, for example, find Wall Street
evil, but doesn't mean they are. That's just my humble opinion. I
don't know if dogs have a sense of justice but Hitler's dog wouldn't
consider him evil. Neither did Eva Brown. He was a loving husband and
master.
Here the question is asked one more time:
"Occupy Wall Street: Don't Dehumanize The 'Evil Banker'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-fici/occupy-wall-street-dont-dehumanize-the-evil-_b_1468170.html
I'm a Beach Cruiser Philosopher and having a good time at the beach
riding a bicycle doesn't require money --that's if they provide the
path for it. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of money invested along
the seaside but it's not my thing. Perhaps if someone bothered to
investigate 80% of all money in this nation is invested within a mile
of the sea. You may find some of the bankers, lawyers and
entrepreneurs involved in "predatory lending" in coastal waters,
looking like you and me --with a big belly perhaps. And some of the
most eccentric toys money can buy are noisy cigarette boats and
polluting big yachts. Bizarre behavior. Lastly the NUDIST BEACH proves
that less is more, which is why I say "happiness is a nudist beach."
They --the bankers-- make a bitch.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 19, 2012, 12:17:32 AM5/19/12
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On May 18, 4:06 pm, hippy dippy dude <""\"\"\"@bet sweet.bipy"> wrote:
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Wall Street is self centered and view our Constitution and laws as
> limiting their ability to do just what they have done. Private profits
> and Taxpayer rescues them from risk.
> They behave in a Mafia fashion that other "organizations" would fall
> under RICO.
> We are losing our jobs, retirements, pensions, SS Medicare, our
> Republic, and children's future and facing higher taxes, weak dollar and
> bleak future, to serve the interest of Globalist Supplier Side
> Government/Economics Elites. Our Laws are for us not them. They have
> circumvented them at the basic level with Unilateral contracts and
> buying votes and influnec.
> We have few and ineffective regulation or representation of Americans
> and America to contain the predator Global Governance/ "Free Trade"
> bunch.
And they sold the country's manufacturing base to China. In other era
they would have been labeled "foreign agents."
Now communism wins but it doesn't matter any more. Actually you can't
tell democracy from communism. World Government is here.
> On 5/18/2012 2:48 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 2:08 pm, datakoll<datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> > "Is Wall Street evil or what?"
>
> > It is said that the job of the philosopher is not to provide the
> > answers but to ask the right questions. And this is because "evil" is
> > sometimes in the eye of the beholder. I, for example, find Wall Street
> > evil, but doesn't mean they are. That's just my humble opinion. I
> > don't know if dogs have a sense of justice but Hitler's dog wouldn't
> > consider him evil. Neither did Eva Brown. He was a loving husband and
> > master.
>
> > Here the question is asked one more time:
>
> > "Occupy Wall Street: Don't Dehumanize The 'Evil Banker'"
>
> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-fici/occupy-wall-street-dont-dehu...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 2:08 pm, datakoll<datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&sclient...
>
> > "Is Wall Street evil or what?"
>
> > It is said that the job of the philosopher is not to provide the
> > answers but to ask the right questions. And this is because "evil" is
> > sometimes in the eye of the beholder. I, for example, find Wall Street
> > evil, but doesn't mean they are. That's just my humble opinion. I
> > don't know if dogs have a sense of justice but Hitler's dog wouldn't
> > consider him evil. Neither did Eva Brown. He was a loving husband and
> > master.
>
> > Here the question is asked one more time:
>
> > "Occupy Wall Street: Don't Dehumanize The 'Evil Banker'"
>
>
> > I'm a Beach Cruiser Philosopher and having a good time at the beach
> > riding a bicycle doesn't require money --that's if they provide the
> > path for it. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of money invested along
> > the seaside but it's not my thing. Perhaps if someone bothered to
> > investigate 80% of all money in this nation is invested within a mile
> > of the sea. You may find some of the bankers, lawyers and
> > entrepreneurs involved in "predatory lending" in coastal waters,
> > looking like you and me --with a big belly perhaps. And some of the
> > most eccentric toys money can buy are noisy cigarette boats and
> > polluting big yachts. Bizarre behavior. Lastly the NUDIST BEACH proves
> > that less is more, which is why I say "happiness is a nudist beach."
> > They --the bankers-- make a bitch.
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > I'm a Beach Cruiser Philosopher and having a good time at the beach
> > riding a bicycle doesn't require money --that's if they provide the
> > path for it. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of money invested along
> > the seaside but it's not my thing. Perhaps if someone bothered to
> > investigate 80% of all money in this nation is invested within a mile
> > of the sea. You may find some of the bankers, lawyers and
> > entrepreneurs involved in "predatory lending" in coastal waters,
> > looking like you and me --with a big belly perhaps. And some of the
> > most eccentric toys money can buy are noisy cigarette boats and
> > polluting big yachts. Bizarre behavior. Lastly the NUDIST BEACH proves
> > that less is more, which is why I say "happiness is a nudist beach."
> > They --the bankers-- make a bitch.
>
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Wall Street is self centered and view our Constitution and laws as
> limiting their ability to do just what they have done. Private profits
> and Taxpayer rescues them from risk.
> They behave in a Mafia fashion that other "organizations" would fall
> under RICO.
> We are losing our jobs, retirements, pensions, SS Medicare, our
> Republic, and children's future and facing higher taxes, weak dollar and
> bleak future, to serve the interest of Globalist Supplier Side
> Government/Economics Elites. Our Laws are for us not them. They have
> circumvented them at the basic level with Unilateral contracts and
> buying votes and influnec.
> We have few and ineffective regulation or representation of Americans
> and America to contain the predator Global Governance/ "Free Trade"
> bunch.
And they sold the country's manufacturing base to China. In other era
they would have been labeled "foreign agents."
Now communism wins but it doesn't matter any more. Actually you can't
tell democracy from communism. World Government is here.
raf952
May 25, 2012, 1:52:56 PM5/25/12
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Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. I might not take out a loan to purchase a bicycle but the purchase is a financial transaction. Wall Street likes that. I will also likely purchase cycling gear--Wall Street likes that too. And the money I won't spend on gas, oil changes, and blood pressure medicine I will spend on inner tubes, chain lube, or just save for a rainy day--Wall Street likes all of that.
Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work. Investors will want to take ownership stakes in companies that appear to be winners or those they hope to help be successful.
Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
And that is my humble opinion...
-raf
Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work. Investors will want to take ownership stakes in companies that appear to be winners or those they hope to help be successful.
Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
And that is my humble opinion...
-raf
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 26, 2012, 12:23:06 AM5/26/12
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On 5/25/2012 12:52 PM, raf952 wrote:
> Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. I might not take out a loan to purchase a bicycle but the purchase is a financial transaction. Wall Street likes that. I will also likely purchase cycling gear--Wall Street likes that too. And the money I won't spend on gas, oil changes, and blood pressure medicine I will spend on inner tubes, chain lube, or just save for a rainy day--Wall Street likes all of that.
>
"Wall Street" wants to rule the proletariat.
> Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. I might not take out a loan to purchase a bicycle but the purchase is a financial transaction. Wall Street likes that. I will also likely purchase cycling gear--Wall Street likes that too. And the money I won't spend on gas, oil changes, and blood pressure medicine I will spend on inner tubes, chain lube, or just save for a rainy day--Wall Street likes all of that.
>
> Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work. Investors will want to take ownership stakes in companies that appear to be winners or those they hope to help be successful.
>
that is)?
> Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
>
Stop being stupid.
> And that is my humble opinion...
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raf952
May 27, 2012, 2:28:56 AM5/27/12
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On Friday, May 25, 2012 11:23:06 PM UTC-5, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
> On 5/25/2012 12:52 PM, raf952 wrote:
> > Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. [...]
> On 5/25/2012 12:52 PM, raf952 wrote:
> "Wall Street" wants to rule the proletariat.
Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
>
> > Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work.[...]
> When has "Wall Street" ever been for free markets (beyond lip service,
> that is)?
When it isn't in bed with politicians.
> that is)?
> > Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
> >
> When there is real unemployment over 20%, people should just get jobs?
> Stop being stupid.
Stop being lazy.
> > And that is my humble opinion...
>
> To paraphrase, opinions are like anuses. Everyone has one.
-raf
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 28, 2012, 3:36:54 PM5/28/12
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On 5/27/2012 1:28 AM, raf952 wrote:
> On Friday, May 25, 2012 11:23:06 PM UTC-5, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
>> On 5/25/2012 12:52 PM, raf952 wrote:
>>> Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. [...]
>> "Wall Street" wants to rule the proletariat.
>
> Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
>
Clueless.
> On Friday, May 25, 2012 11:23:06 PM UTC-5, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
>> On 5/25/2012 12:52 PM, raf952 wrote:
>>> Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. [...]
>> "Wall Street" wants to rule the proletariat.
>
> Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
>
>>
>>> Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work.[...]
>> When has "Wall Street" ever been for free markets (beyond lip service,
>> that is)?
>
> When it isn't in bed with politicians.
>
Nonsense.
>>> Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work.[...]
>> When has "Wall Street" ever been for free markets (beyond lip service,
>> that is)?
>
> When it isn't in bed with politicians.
>
>>> Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
>>>
>> When there is real unemployment over 20%, people should just get jobs?
>> Stop being stupid.
>
> Being stupid is sitting in parks waiting for the world to become fair. Despite the economic conditions I am working two side jobs and got an offer for a third part-time job that I have to figure out how to juggle with my schedule. Besides seeking opportunities that are available there are needs and markets yet untapped. If a Hollywood movie can open and make $200M dollars in a weekend, there's money in the economy to be had.
>
> Stop being lazy.
>
>
>>> And that is my humble opinion...
>>
>> To paraphrase, opinions are like anuses. Everyone has one.
>
> Indeed--as long as people are content to sit on theirs and not strive for success that's all they will have.
into the ruling positions, and the obvious consequences of that. But
that would require opening your eyes.
raf952
May 29, 2012, 1:10:22 PM5/29/12
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On Monday, May 28, 2012 2:36:54 PM UTC-5, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
> > Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
> >
> Clueless.
Then clue me in: how does ruling the proletariat make anyone a billionaire?
> > Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
> >
> Clueless.
> If you ignore that the current system favors the rise of psychopaths
> into the ruling positions, and the obvious consequences of that. But
> that would require opening your eyes.
-raf
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 29, 2012, 11:50:36 PM5/29/12
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On 5/29/2012 12:10 PM, raf952 wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2012 2:36:54 PM UTC-5, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
>
>>> Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
>>>
>> Clueless.
>
> Then clue me in: how does ruling the proletariat make anyone a billionaire?
>
I never made that claim. Duh.
> On Monday, May 28, 2012 2:36:54 PM UTC-5, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
>
>>> Hardly. Wall Street wants to earn money and get a return for its investments. Simply ruling proletariats don't guarantee that.
>>>
>> Clueless.
>
> Then clue me in: how does ruling the proletariat make anyone a billionaire?
>
>> If you ignore that the current system favors the rise of psychopaths
>> into the ruling positions, and the obvious consequences of that. But
>> that would require opening your eyes.
>
> I'm calling BS. Please show me something that substantiates that psychopaths are rising to ruling positions as a consequence of Wall Street. That may be your world view and mental health but nothing to do with reality.
You are either in need of a class in English comprehension, or you are
creating strawmen. Neither of which is to your credit.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Jun 3, 2012, 2:38:24 PM6/3/12
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On May 25, 1:52 pm, raf952 <ralph....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. I might not take out a loan to purchase a bicycle but the purchase is a financial transaction. Wall Street likes that. I will also likely purchase cycling gear--Wall Street likes that too. And the money I won't spend on gas, oil changes, and blood pressure medicine I will spend on inner tubes, chain lube, or just save for a rainy day--Wall Street likes all of that.
>
> Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work. Investors will want to take ownership stakes in companies that appear to be winners or those they hope to help be successful.
>
> Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
>
> And that is my humble opinion...
>
> -raf
Pretty well reasoned for being "humble." It's almost rational except
> Not sure where you're getting your information on what "Wall Street" wants or doesn't want. I might not take out a loan to purchase a bicycle but the purchase is a financial transaction. Wall Street likes that. I will also likely purchase cycling gear--Wall Street likes that too. And the money I won't spend on gas, oil changes, and blood pressure medicine I will spend on inner tubes, chain lube, or just save for a rainy day--Wall Street likes all of that.
>
> Wall Street is prepared to adapt to the economic environment if the free market is allowed to work. Investors will want to take ownership stakes in companies that appear to be winners or those they hope to help be successful.
>
> Bike riders are consumers too. To me what you describe is less of a class struggle than it is imprudent financial management. If individuals don't have the discipline to manage their credit or budget their expenses they become bombastic, irresponsible protesters content to occupy streets and parks rather than get a job.
>
> And that is my humble opinion...
>
> -raf
for the fact that Wall Street has taken the role of the "Invisible
Hand." They manipulate the market to make people TAKE LOANS. It's not
enough for them that you spend your check, YOU MUST BE IN DEBT
FOREVER. And there are two items that guarantee you that debt: THE CAR
AND THE HOUSE. The house you can't live without, but the car yes. Then
it wasn't enough for them to sell you a normal car, they needed people
to buy ever bigger trucks loaded with sophisticated gadgets and shiny
rims. All the safety standards that went into cars went overboard when
an SUV hits you above the safety cage. Then everybody rushed to get an
SUV even when they could have a much better life without it.
So now we know: Wall Street = Invisible Hand
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Jun 3, 2012, 2:41:37 PM6/3/12
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hammock."
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Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 4, 2012, 12:30:44 AM6/4/12
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On 6/3/2012 10:44 PM, Phil W Lee wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> <nolionn...@yahoo.com> considered Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:41:37 -0700
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> (PDT) the perfect time to write:
>>
>> Sorry, "success is riding a bicycle and then kicking back in a
>> hammock."
>
> No, success is doing both simultaneously :)
>>
>> Sorry, "success is riding a bicycle and then kicking back in a
>> hammock."
>
It has been done.
<http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/costin/Monky1.jpg> and
<http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/costin/seancostin.htm>.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Jun 5, 2012, 4:02:40 PM6/5/12
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On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, Phil W Lee <p...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> considered Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:41:37 -0700
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> (PDT) the perfect time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Sorry, "success is riding a bicycle and then kicking back in a
> >hammock."
>
> >hammock."
>
> No, success is doing both simultaneously :)
Yes, that's a recumbent. ;)
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