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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 4:50:11 PM4/19/12
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I just found the perfect species to find the potential and limitations
of human beings. It came to me as was watching a nature program,
something called "Twisted Tales." Anyway the animal in question is THE
RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish about it. In the Orient they are held in
high regard and thus we have the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst
predator to mankind and yet it can be tamed to be the perfect pet, so
we know it can tamed. Many psychological studies are done on the rat
since they share our brain biology. And we can learn something unique
about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep our physical and
mental balance, which means WE CAN NOT BE SITTING IN A BOX and
expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to be the
perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social animals
like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign "Monkey
out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
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of human beings. It came to me as was watching a nature program,
something called "Twisted Tales." Anyway the animal in question is THE
RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish about it. In the Orient they are held in
high regard and thus we have the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst
predator to mankind and yet it can be tamed to be the perfect pet, so
we know it can tamed. Many psychological studies are done on the rat
since they share our brain biology. And we can learn something unique
about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep our physical and
mental balance, which means WE CAN NOT BE SITTING IN A BOX and
expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to be the
perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social animals
like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign "Monkey
out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Hairless_rat_Lhassa.jpg/220px-Hairless_rat_Lhassa.jpg
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 20, 2012, 8:40:59 AM4/20/12
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On Apr 19, 8:40 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 19, 1:19 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
> >> >a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
> >> psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
> >> run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
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> >> The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
> >> rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
> >> humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
> >> and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
> >> rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
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> >> Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
> >> in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
> >> are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
> >> the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
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> >Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
> >cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
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> In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
> to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
> rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
> some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
> behavioral psychology work
> mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
> behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
> assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
> who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
> peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
> to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
> attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
> him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
> to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
> he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
> his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
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> Some of their methods do work well. For example some
> parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
> up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
> from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
> effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
> acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
> room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
> attention when he or she is behaving well.
>
> There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
> behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
> behavior modification but they are limited largely to
> small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.
Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 19, 1:19 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
> >> >as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
> >> >Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
> >> >about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
> >> >the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
> >> >it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
> >> >Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
> >> >about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
> >> >the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
> >> >done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
> >> >something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
> >> >our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
> >> >something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
> >> >a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
> >> >be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
> >> >animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
> >> >"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
>
> >> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> >> It is true that rats are used in laboratory experiments by behavioral
> >> >animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
> >> >"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
>
> >> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> >> psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
> >> run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
>
> >> The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
> >> rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
> >> humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
> >> and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
> >> rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
>
> >> Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
> >> in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
> >> are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
> >> the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
>
> >Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
> >cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
>
> In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
> to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
> rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
> some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
> behavioral psychology work
> mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
> behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
> assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
> who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
> peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
> to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
> attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
> him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
> to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
> he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
> his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
>
> Some of their methods do work well. For example some
> parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
> up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
> from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
> effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
> acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
> room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
> attention when he or she is behaving well.
>
> There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
> behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
> behavior modification but they are limited largely to
> small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.
Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 22, 2012, 2:53:09 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 20, 8:40 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Sorry, but this is a great opportunity to challenge myself and improve
the understand of animal behavior.
We can reward a driver for being courteous, but we can not punish
them. That falls squarely on the shoulders of our master.
I thought about it while riding a bike.
the understand of animal behavior.
We can reward a driver for being courteous, but we can not punish
them. That falls squarely on the shoulders of our master.
I thought about it while riding a bike.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 22, 2012, 4:14:31 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 22, 2:52 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Oh, I almost forgot this nearly significant incident:
I was riding in this quiet area, riding across crosswalk on secondary
street, then this car sitting on main street decides to make a right
and charge. I braked in panic, but I think she was sending a message:
"I don't like you to be on my path, monkey." Other people around so
they fear nothing in letting those animal instincts loose. That's what
worries me, that's there always people around and say nothing.
I was riding in this quiet area, riding across crosswalk on secondary
street, then this car sitting on main street decides to make a right
and charge. I braked in panic, but I think she was sending a message:
"I don't like you to be on my path, monkey." Other people around so
they fear nothing in letting those animal instincts loose. That's what
worries me, that's there always people around and say nothing.
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