LEMOND STRIKES AGAIN
datakoll
KF
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/playmagazine/0819play-floyd....
A fascinating article (a bit overwritten) if only for the fact that it
seems to be a relatively complete treatment of Floyd's situtation
without resort to the bias, brief snippets, sound bites and repetition
(of accurate or inaccurate information) that are so pervasive in
current media.
I'm rooting for Floyd but I have no idea whether he did or didn't "do
it."
DR
datakoll
itsa expansive sofa: room for flasher LeMond in cape, Vino, Raz,
Basso, ....
Kenny
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/playmagazine/0819play-floyd....
Good read. Thanks for the link.
Pat
....
>
> Good read. Thanks for the link.
It does make me wonder why LeMond keeps calling these high profile guys and
then his version of the conversation is always different from their
versions. Is he off his nut or something? Can't stand to be out of the lime
light? My idea a long time ago was that he just can't stand for any American
to win the Tour after he won it. He seems to want to destroy any American
who dares to win the thing.
Pat in TX
>
Ozark Bicycle
> ....
>
>
>
> > Good read. Thanks for the link.
>
> It does make me wonder why LeMond keeps calling these high profile guys and
> then his version of the conversation is always different from their
> versions.
Maybe his "version" is the more accurate? Who has more to lose, Lemond
or Armstrong, Landis, etc.?
> Is he off his nut or something? Can't stand to be out of the lime
> light? My idea a long time ago was that he just can't stand for any American
> to win the Tour after he won it. He seems to want to destroy any American
> who dares to win the thing.
>
Where did you get those ideas?
datakoll
>
> Where did you get those ideas?
from the same hole Lemond and Landis were standing in.
raa...@gmail.com
> > Where did you get those ideas?
>
> from the same hole Lemond and Landis were standing in.
Floyd ( if he did dope to win stage 17) would've been better off
settleing for 2nd or 3rd or whatever it would've been; even last.
Can't imagine how ANYONE would want to risk everything and end up like
floyd now- good anti-doping mascot
Ozark Bicycle
Landis never struck me the Sharpest-Tool-in-the-Shed. Maybe he thought
he was doing something to cover his tracks (like testosterone with a
Jack Daniels chaser?).
Pat
>> It does make me wonder why LeMond keeps calling these high profile guys
>> and
>> then his version of the conversation is always different from their
>> versions.
>
>
> Maybe his "version" is the more accurate? Who has more to lose, Lemond
> or Armstrong, Landis, etc.?
You totally missed my point. Why is this over-the-hill out of the limelight
guy calling whoever is in the news on the telephone and then going back to
the reporters to give a totally different version of the call? Why does he
even pick up the telephone in the first place? You didn't call Landis or
Armstrong, did you? What is the driving force behind Lemond jumping into the
spotlight to make these calls? Is everybody lying but him? Why does he
create news this way?
>
>
>
>> Is he off his nut or something? Can't stand to be out of the lime
>> light? My idea a long time ago was that he just can't stand for any
>> American
>> to win the Tour after he won it. He seems to want to destroy any American
>> who dares to win the thing.
>>
>
> Where did you get those ideas?
Because of his actions, that's why. There is absolutely no reason for him to
call these riders AND then go to the press to get his 15 minutes of fame.
Does he call riders from other countries who won the Tour after Lemond's
last win? Did he call every one of them and make accusations or is it only
the American riders?
Pat in TX
>
Reid
> You totally missed my point. Why is this over-the-hill out of the limelight
> guy calling whoever is in the news on the telephone and then going back to
> the reporters to give a totally different version of the call?
Armstrong called Lemond. E.g.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1841300
Landis called Lemond. E.g. http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/12271.0.html
Initially, Lemond praised Landis as being "clean" and a "great guy."
BTW, I don't think Ozark missed your point.
datakoll
> Pat wrote:
> > You totally missed my point. Why is this over-the-hill out of the limelight
> > guy calling whoever is in the news on the telephone and then going back to
> > the reporters to give a totally different version of the call?
>
> Armstrong called Lemond. E.g.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1841300
>
>
> Initially, Lemond praised Landis as being "clean" and a "great guy."
>
> BTW, I don't think Ozark missed your point.
the point is what's out your back door is not what's out Lemond/
Landis' backdoor now or then...
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman
>
> the point is what's out your back door is not what's out Lemond/
> Landis' backdoor now or then...
>
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
BEER IS FOOD
--
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datakoll
sherman? do you live on a golf course?
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman
> On Aug 18, 2:04 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>>
>>> the point is what's out your back door is not what's out Lemond/
>>> Landis' backdoor now or then...
>> Yeah, out my backdoor: <http://www.milorganite.com/home/>.
>
>
Hint: My outgoing plumbing connects to MMSD.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
--
Ozark Bicycle
<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> > the point is what's out your back door is not what's out Lemond/
> > Landis' backdoor now or then...
>
> Yeah, out my backdoor: <http://www.milorganite.com/home/>.
>
> --
Tom, when people call ya a 'sack of fertilizer', that's not what they
have in mind! ;-)
datakoll
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman
production.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
--
RonSonic
>>>
>>> It does make me wonder why LeMond keeps calling these high profile guys
>>> and
>>> then his version of the conversation is always different from their
>>> versions.
>>
>>
>> Maybe his "version" is the more accurate? Who has more to lose, Lemond
>> or Armstrong, Landis, etc.?
>
>You totally missed my point. Why is this over-the-hill out of the limelight
>guy calling whoever is in the news on the telephone and then going back to
>the reporters to give a totally different version of the call? Why does he
>even pick up the telephone in the first place? You didn't call Landis or
>Armstrong, did you? What is the driving force behind Lemond jumping into the
>spotlight to make these calls? Is everybody lying but him? Why does he
>create news this way?
As I understand the pattern it goes more like:
Greg says something stupid, cynical and faintly insulting in the press.
Something that appears to be based on ignorance.
The Floyd or the Lance call to wise him up.
Greg says something stupid, cynical and downright fucking accusatory in the
press that he alleges is based on the phone calls.
Sorta like trolling, but in another medium.
Ron
datakoll
Dennis P. Harris
<rons...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> The Floyd or the Lance call to wise him up.
>
> Greg says something stupid, cynical and downright fucking accusatory in the
> press that he alleges is based on the phone calls.
>
> Sorta like trolling, but in another medium.
>
it's called a "concern troll" in political blogs. like fake
concern from repugnicans that real democrats are "too far to the
left" when polls reflect that's where the public is.
i decided last year that lemond should simply be killfiled and
ignored. i don't see him out raising consciousness about cancer
research funding.
datakoll
whew.
i wrote on this as (sorry) as I thought the incident boiled in its
place and time. Kinda quirky relevant to you know landmines uhiuh
Sudan....WTC NHL strike that kinda thing. Also I was mistaken where
the incident occured-my information was at the TdF on site. wrong
again.
So when i saw the NYT photo, I was amused by the black humor (the
entire disaster no longer quirky) of Llody's expression at whathisname
uhuh Lemond coming thru the door wearing a cape, flash throwing it
open to expose himself then running out to vanish in the smog.
but the response is a lynch mob.
I guesss it's not funny anymore.
A Muzi
Headline in this week's Onion:
"Wikipedia entry for "Dada" may or may not have been vandalized"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
datakoll
Smokey
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/playmagazine/0819play-floyd....
Sorry, can't read the article. The NY Times wants me to pay $4.95 for
the single article, $7.95 for a month's on-line subscription, or
$49.95 for a year. Anyone care to post it, or should I just file it
under yesterday's news?
Smokey
Scott Gordo
It's not much. A reporter follows Landis around for a day or so,
talking to Floyd and his wife Amber about how the positive doping test
has affected their lives. Amber expresses concern about Floyd through
sincerity and black humor, Floyd expresses frustration and rage
through black humor and a smearing tirade against Greg LeMond. Then he
goes for a 'training' ride with a bunch of local Dr's and lawyers to
raise money for his 'Fairness Fund'.
The article, I thought, casts Floyd as a helplessly, incurably, almost
lametably blunt but straight shooter, which would suggest that he
would be incapable of maintaining an outright lie for this long. I
think that, overall, it works in his favor in the court of public
opinion, but I'm not sure that a reader's consensus would bear that
out.
/s
datakoll
my request directly into the system. not register? search
NYT>Landis>TdF sports page>Outcast zaaapppp uder
datakoll
the pro rider defined.
Reid
Scott Gordo wrote:
[snip]
>
> The article, I thought, casts Floyd as a helplessly, incurably, almost
> lametably blunt but straight shooter, which would suggest that he
> would be incapable of maintaining an outright lie for this long. I
> think that, overall, it works in his favor in the court of public
> opinion, but I'm not sure that a reader's consensus would bear that
> out.
>
> /s
>
Odd. I thought that the article painted Landis as lost, helpless, and
suffering. I was left with the impression that he would say anything
the came into his head. More to the point, I thought he sounded a bit
dumb - which fit just fine with notion that he would do drugs and get
caught.
datakoll
he's a pro rider without a ride recovering from hip surgery which
crippled him at the height of his career when he was flogged by the
glory of France like Rasmussen.
Who should he "sound like" as he moves thru America? Everrett
Dirckson, Charlton Heston, Patrick Moynihan?
He stood up against France.
He said and did FUCK YOU FROGS! EAT SHIT! I'M GONNA CRUSH YOUR HEAD!
this is helpless and lost?
RU12?
chance of winning Lemond will come up with some bullshit story like this.
datakoll
> Lemond has no credibility when every time an American has a serious
> chance of winning Lemond will come up with some bullshit story like this.
well, lemond did strike again at:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news
over here, this began when Bob Roll's chain broke, then Lemond as
turkey, Alworth as cancer victim, Landis as hip victim...
over there, well, simplyfrying let's begin with Franz Joseph.
these events don't fit together?
no. neither do the posts. oar making a broader point, why re-elect a
leader who led you to destruction? or elect Guiliani ditto?
failing to understand Lemond as Lemond or Landis as Landis and giving
them slack for a should be recognized inherent lack of empathy and
analysis before reaching conclusions IS
the same problem confronting UCI versus Prudhomme versus Discovery
versus Proctor and Gamble and Franz Joseph.
That brings us to a theory: If yawl do that then yawl wind up in the
same position as Lemond as turkey.
as in the Dead Sea Scrolls
Reid
datakoll wrote:
> On Aug 27, 11:45 pm, RU12? <RU...@whidbey.com> wrote:
>> Lemond has no credibility when every time an American has a serious
>> chance of winning Lemond will come up with some bullshit story like this.
>
> well, lemond did strike again at:
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug26news
[snip]
You're right, if "strike again" means speaking out against doping. I
don't know enough to evaluate his recommendations, but I definitely
share his concern about kids joining the sport. And I admire him for
continuing to talk about the doping problem. It would be great if Lance
occasionally worked to help clean up the sport that has given him so much.
Scott Gordo
It sounds like our impression of Landis after reading the article is
almost completely shared, except for a final bit of interpretation.
Does Landis have zero brain-to-mouth editing power? Are these attacks
as calculated as when racing? Are they displaced self-loathing and
guilt? Are they righteous rage? Smokescreen?
I guess this is why people should pay shrinks instead of trust
newsgroups, and why, as Landis accurately states, no matter what the
truth is his image will be forever dubious for as long as he denies
doping.
Scott
datakoll
"strike again" means speaking out against doping
joining the sport
completely shared
final bit
of interpretation
I guess
I guess Prudhomme's (France) decision to INSTALL Contedor
Is a final bit of completely shared impression concern about kids
joining the sport
means speaking out about doping striking again the idea Landis is
rational
Michael Press
Reid <rra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Football, basketball, baseball, futbol, track&field,
swimming, tennis, golf, dressage are OK because they do
not use drugs.
--
Michael Press
Hob...@spnb&s.com
They are okay because they have a sane drug policy, not because there aren't
players using.
IF cycling gets a sane, well enforced policy and follows their own damn
procedures all will be well. That's all it really takes.
Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
Ron
dusto...@mac.com
> Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
It's difficult to act sober unless you are sober.
(IOW, if rumors are enough): Let's get Greg tested. Frankly, he looks
like he needs help.
Baseball, football (USA) are *known* to have the same problems.
Include any other pro sport, include college athletics, and down into
high school and even younger-- there's a great deal of misbehavior at
all levels, including alumni and parents of minor (age) athletes.
Cycling, and the weakest participants therein ("riders") are being
scapegoated for a pie-in-the-sky illusion of "purity" that has never
had an existence in the real world-- including amateur Cat V parking
lot criteriums.
Get real. Don't buy into the bullshit. --D-y
datakoll
testing testing? I'm told I was subject to "testing" so I assume
"testing" of let's see who would we test, is possible?
Pee Wee Herman? uhuh Jason Giambi? Kuloo the soccer player? Guiliani?
say how 'bout this guy Merkx?
Hob...@spnb&s.com
wrote:
>On Aug 29, 7:45 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>> Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
>
>It's difficult to act sober unless you are sober.
>
>(IOW, if rumors are enough): Let's get Greg tested. Frankly, he looks
>like he needs help.
>Baseball, football (USA) are *known* to have the same problems.
>Include any other pro sport, include college athletics, and down into
>high school and even younger-- there's a great deal of misbehavior at
>all levels, including alumni and parents of minor (age) athletes.
Thirtyfive years ago there were steroids in high school football programs. Guys
packing on 35 pounds of muscle from one year to the next. Specific doctors were
talked about (in that world where qualude docs had lines around the block it
wasn't hard to find someone who would prescribe). I don't know if anything's
changed with the prescription of HGH to teens for psychological reasons from a
few years ago - seems small football players feel insecure.
dusto...@mac.com
Both the guys named "Merckx" are retired. Well, maybe one more year
for the kid.
Gooleyani is on stuff you can't urine test for. --D-y
datakoll
find: years after ingestion. Paraphrasing what Ligget said of
Rasmussen, 'he's the mountain champion and he's winning so he's guilty
of the charge.' So when Merkx is gulity and Herman is guilty and
everyone is guilty then everyone can go back racing and ...
hmmm that doesn't solve the problem.
Reid
Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:54:12 -0700, "dusto...@mac.com" <dusto...@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 29, 7:45 am, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
>> It's difficult to act sober unless you are sober.
>>
>> (IOW, if rumors are enough): Let's get Greg tested. Frankly, he looks
>> like he needs help.
>
>> Baseball, football (USA) are *known* to have the same problems.
>> Include any other pro sport, include college athletics, and down into
>> high school and even younger-- there's a great deal of misbehavior at
>> all levels, including alumni and parents of minor (age) athletes.
>
> Thirtyfive years ago there were steroids in high school football programs. Guys
> packing on 35 pounds of muscle from one year to the next. Specific doctors were
> talked about (in that world where qualude docs had lines around the block it
> wasn't hard to find someone who would prescribe). I don't know if anything's
> changed with the prescription of HGH to teens for psychological reasons from a
> few years ago - seems small football players feel insecure.
[snip]
Sounds very much like what Greg said about Lance and Ferrari. But not
just that Ferrari would prescribe it, but that he would recommend EPO
and was comfortable with dope as part of a cyclist's program.
datakoll
Slow day?
Here's the same problem from channel one on Planets Ba, A1, and Euro
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/28/health/28books.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/28/science/28crop.html?ref=science
recommend EPO as...?
maybe. maybe the Dr. is speaking with a pro rider.