Be a fucking "party doll" like Sheldon Brown!
Garrison Hilliard
> Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
<snip>
>
>Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
>| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
>| returns from the east should make this clear. |
>+---------------------------------------------------------+
Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
2tires
now...
Garrison Hilliard <garr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:8u7ce3$r31$1...@news.efn.org...
Cory Fry
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
>
Let me be one of probably many that would say.....
1. I think Sheldon's political views in a littlte script at the bottom of
his postings is the absolute
least that most would find offensive on here.
2. I think the way that YOU just viewed your point was crass <sp?> and
rude and all together
nasty.
3. From the one time discussion I had with Sheldon, and from reading his
web site, and his postings,
I'm pretty sure I like him as a person.... You on the other hand, impress
me as a jerk, and someone
that is a real walkin talking saddle sore.
And... would you express yourself this way in person, face to face ?
Probably not I'd bet.
Just because this is a relatively 'anonymous' media doesn't mean that you
should feel free to
be as rude and obnoxious as you like.
In short.... let that cut under neath your nose heal, and maybe a
little less cafeine.
Cory Fry
Gregory White
> ....
>
> I hope Sheldon keeps on posting his silly little epilogs, whether they have
> something to do with bikes or politics (or anything else!). They're fun,
> and it gives us a feeling of the sort of deranged-but-friendly guy behind
> the post.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I know you don't really mean "deranged." :<) He couldn't be that given his
consistantly coherent communications.
gw
David Cásseres
Hilliard) wrote:
>> From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
>> Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
><snip>
>
>>
>>Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
>>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>>| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
>>| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
>>| returns from the east should make this clear. |
>>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
>Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
>weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
>guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
>candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
>just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
>out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
Well! Your suave eloquence has won me over, I'm going to rush right out
and vote Republican because Republicans are SO classy!!!
--
David Cásseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
G.T.
>
> > From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> > Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
Vote for a minority-hating, environment-ruining moron of a cokehead
Republican? You're out of your mind.
Greg
G.T.
>
> Someone wrote:
>
> >
> >Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, ly....
>
> Well lets see now, what is the best way to make yourself a "persona non grata"
> on rec.bicycles.tech?
>
> I have a good idea. Find the most helpful, knowledgeable, friendliest fellow
> in the group, you know the guy, the one with the website that answers every
> important question anyone ever asked about a bicycle.
>
Speaking of which I'd rather vote the same line as "the most helpful,
knowledgeable, friendliest fellow" than vote the line of some hateful,
moronic little prick.
Greg
Tom Kunich
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
Hmm, you know, no one on this conference hates the Clinton administration
more than I do. The very picture of that Chief Freak in Charge literally
makes me nauseous and I have to change the channel immediately. I have
actually vomited at the sound of his voice. And Al Gore, the lying SOB, who
tells everyone that he thought that carrying bags of money back from the Red
Chinese Army, via a Buddhist Temple funnel was a "social outreach program"
makes even Clinton seem not that bad.
And I don't much like the alternatives either. Bush may not be my favorite
candidate but Buchanan hasn't a chance since he has the reputation of a
right-wing extremist but whose politics would have landed him square in the
center in 1965. Ralph Nader is a Maoist leaning socialist who would destroy
the country in a blink of an eye and tell us it was for our own good. The
Libertarians have some very intelligent ideas and no way to get them out.
So the best of a bad lot remains Bush. But you know, Sheldon despite his
pie-in-the-sky ideas is still a pretty nice guy. And I say that as someone
that might strangle him if ever I meet him. So let's not be vituperative
towards the people here whether the subject is religion, politics or women.
Tomorrow is hopefully a new day. An Election Day that might signal a change
from the guy who invented the internet (and sucked the life out of Tipper on
public TV) and some guy whose best recommendation is that he ran Texas
pretty well, made a killing in business and is recommended by Ross Perot.
Tom Kunich
news:3A07765E...@pacificnet.net...
>
> Vote for a minority-hating, environment-ruining moron of a cokehead
> Republican? You're out of your mind.
Gore has had witness after witness come forward to tell us about his
behavior but you don't see that on the news do you?
We CAN read the FBI and congressional reports showing that Gore has
repeatedly engaged in illegal conduct while in office. And lied about it
time and time again. Lately they've even shown tapes of him listening and
commenting on illegal fund raising and he still denies it.
Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
As Governor of Texas the worst they've been able to come up with on Bush is
that he vetoed the hate crime bill because, he said, the crimes highlighted
in that bill were already covered under existing laws. And to prove it he
even signed the death sentence on the men guilty of that race related
dragging murder. I've heard tell that Bush shouldn't have come away from his
business career with so much money but then I've worked at 34 companies
since exiting the Air Force and I didn't see any high management in one of
those companies that didn't do EXACTLY the same thing.
Zoot Katz
>1. I think Sheldon's political views in a littlte script at the bottom of
>his postings is the absolute
>least that most would find offensive on here.
Frankly, political yammering of any kind is off topic. The contrived media
event of American politics is, in general,repugnant to the rest of the world
subjigated to its outcome and whimsy. Believing there is still a free and
democratic electoral process is naive. Expounding one's political views with
every message posted toward the hope of influencing others reeks of over
inflated self-import.
I don't find the messages as offensive as I find them disappointing.
I'm only free to ignore them and their futility. I can't act on them and
they have no influence on the reality of my daily life aside from their
tolerated intrusion. I wholeheartedly support Mr.Brown's right to free
speech and applaud his conviction the same as I support and applaud John
Vandemann's rights and convictions. I do this sincerely and in good faith
despite being castigated here for maintaining that people also have a right
to their privacy and that their convictions are as valid as any other form
of political gum beating.
--
Zoot (eagerly awaiting Nov.9th) Katz
G.T.
>
> Originally Sheldon wrote:
>
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
> | West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> | Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> | returns from the east should make this clear. |
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
>
> superficial as voting based on the results of the exit polls.
>
> sigh
>
Yes, that is a little unbecoming of him. Also, whether Nader has a
chance or not, people who want to vote for him should vote for him.
Greg
Zoot Katz
>some guy whose best recommendation is that he ran Texas
>pretty well,
Now if he could only cook.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm
--
zk
Mike Jacoubowsky
from newsgroups, but then awhile back I monitored things and it looked like
it was safe to put my toes back into the water. Since then I've been amazed
at how helpful and decent the majority of posters are on the various bicycle
newsgroups (well, ok, rec.bicycles.soc excepted!).
Thankfully, this post is the exception that essentially proves just how far
we've come.
I hope Sheldon keeps on posting his silly little epilogs, whether they have
something to do with bikes or politics (or anything else!). They're fun,
and it gives us a feeling of the sort of deranged-but-friendly guy behind
the post.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Garrison Hilliard" <garr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:8u7ce3$r31$1...@news.efn.org...
> From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
<snip>
>
>Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
>| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
>| returns from the east should make this clear. |
>+---------------------------------------------------------+
Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
Darrell Putnam
I suppose if you only ride on the road he's friendly to you.
Jon Isaacs
>
>Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, ly....
Well lets see now, what is the best way to make yourself a "persona non grata"
on rec.bicycles.tech?
I have a good idea. Find the most helpful, knowledgeable, friendliest fellow
in the group, you know the guy, the one with the website that answers every
important question anyone ever asked about a bicycle.
Then after you find him, proceed to make a fool of yourself by picking up on a
bit of a tag line and lauching a bit invective worthy of a helmet war or a
Campy vs. Shimano thread.
Yes, I think you found the method.
Good job if thats what you were trying to do.
Jon Isaacs
Mh
ideas are encouraged to be exchanged without prejudice; the right of both
Garrison and Sheldon to express themselves should be recognized here.
However, since we do try to focus on bicycle tech talk here I was wondering
what size cone wrench it will take for Mr. Hilliard to remove his head from
his ass?
Anthony Wesley
Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>public TV) and some guy whose best recommendation is that he ran Texas
>pretty well, made a killing in business and is recommended by Ross Perot.
I read the Perot recommendation locks in the 'abducted by UFO' vote. :+)
Mike Jacoubowsky
communications were coherent, he wouldn't be nearly as much fun!
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Gregory White" <gwh...@metricom.com> wrote in message
news:3A0759D1...@metricom.com...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > ....
> >
> > I hope Sheldon keeps on posting his silly little epilogs, whether they
have
> > something to do with bikes or politics (or anything else!). They're
fun,
> > and it gives us a feeling of the sort of deranged-but-friendly guy
behind
> > the post.
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> > http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
philh...@my-deja.com
> However, since we do try to focus on bicycle tech talk here I was
wondering
> what size cone wrench it will take for Mr. Hilliard to remove his
head from
> his ass?
7 3/8.
Phil Holman
>
> "Garrison Hilliard" <garr...@efn.org> wrote in message
> news:8u7ce3$r31$1...@news.efn.org...
> > > From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> > > Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >
> > >Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
> > >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> > >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> > >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> > >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> > >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >
> > Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich,
lying
> > weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike
stuff,
> > guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant
Democratic
> > candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> > just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign
you've sold
> > out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
> >
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Avery Burdett
>> From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
>> Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>>Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
>>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>>| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
>>| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
>>| returns from the east should make this clear. |
>>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh?
As a non-partisan observer from the north, I try to read Sheldon's lips.
He seems to be asking Nader supporters to consider their three (four if
you count no vote) voting options. Loook at it this way, a vote for Nader
could be a vote for a green platform period or, depending on who's leading
in the east, a way of sending either Gore or *Bush* a green message. Also,
if Bush were leading, a (Nader supporter) vote for Gore would be an
anti-Bush vote. If Gore were leading a (Nader supporter) vote for Bush
would be an *anti-Gore* vote. There are probably other explanations why
folks vote the way they do. I wonder why Mr. Garrison jumps to conclusions
about just one of them.
Hey, we have an election of our own and five scoundrels to deal with, well
actually - I have to admit my biases - four plus one bright new kid on the
block. He's the only one not embracing the usual collectivist, nanny state
"we'll-take-care-of-you-don't-bother-to-think-for-yourself" attitude
which prevails among most Canadian political parties.
Geez, he even believes in taking personal responsibility for ones own
well-being (e.g. exercise for better health). A completely new and
difficult-to-accept concept up here.
> Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
--
Avery Burdett
Ottawa, Ontario
TBGibb
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
| returns from the east should make this clear. |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
It surprises me that Sheldon would advocate the west coasters do anything so
superficial as voting based on the results of the exit polls.
sigh
Tom Gibb <TBG...@aol.com>
Philip
I can't even express how disgusted I am with you.
My stupid views are probably more similar to your stupid views than they are
to Sheldon Brown's or Tom Kunich's, but both of those men can actually say
what they think without resorting to vitriol and slander.
Plus they talk about bikes.
Philip Williamson
Garrison Hilliard pooped a wet, messy ASCII
hash:<8u7ce3$r31$1...@news.efn.org>...
>> From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
>> Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
><snip>
>
>>
>>Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
>>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>>| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
>>| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
>>| returns from the east should make this clear. |
>>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
>Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
>weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
Paul...@webtv.net
like Hagar the Horrible until you see the bigger picture. Second his web
page has been causing me to lose sleep because it's so darn good.
One reason the Reps didn't run Quayle on the ticket with Bush is they
didn't want a VP smarter than the Prez.
Face it. George W Bush couldn't pass a junior high civics class. Dan
couldn't spell potato and GW can't spell Constitution.
John Forrest Tomlinson
news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
> Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has been
twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the mis-quote.
That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
JT
--
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Jim
The main reason for voting for Bush is that he is not a Democrat politician.
Democrat politicians are the worst bunch of lying thieves America has ever
seen. I used to vote for Democrats until I woke up. Republican politicians
are lying thieves also, just not as bad as the Democrats. - Jim
TBGibb
writes:
>> It surprises me that Sheldon would advocate the west coasters do anything
>so
>> superficial as voting based on the results of the exit polls.
>>
>> sigh
>>
>
>Yes, that is a little unbecoming of him. Also, whether Nader has a
>chance or not, people who want to vote for him should vote for him.
It's always possible that Sheldon's humor is beyond me and possibly a (very)
few others who read the NG. Perhaps his evil twin (Carapace Completed Umber)
will snitch on him.
Tom Gibb <TBG...@aol.com>
Mike Hauptman
G.T. wrote in message <3A0794DD...@pacificnet.net>...
>chance or not, people who want to vote for him should vote for him.
>
If you want to vote for Al Gore, please vote only once. If you want to vote
for Ralph Nader vote early and vote often. George who?
Mike
Brian Plouffe
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote in
message news:s6SN5.7030$1K.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
AndresMuro
anyone under 40 who likes to party a lot, he is the man. I am still 36, and
have 4 good party years left in my life. I can drink, smoke, snort, and may be
even sell some coke and earn some $$$$. With GW as president, this will be
nothing more than "youthfull indiscretions". Moreover, if I get stop DUI, I wil
tell the cop : "Hey buddy, this is just a youthful indiscretion", and he'll let
me go. So, for anyone under forty who wishes to party some, he is our man. I
believe that if elected, GW will attempt to free all under forty people
imprisoned for selling or using drugs under the new "usefull indiscetion- 27th
amendment" to the constitution. This ellection is especially important because
the new appointed supreme court judges will be able to pass this new
amendement.
Andres
Chris Phillipo
> As a non-partisan observer from the north, I try to read Sheldon's lips.
> He seems to be asking Nader supporters to consider their three (four if
> you count no vote) voting options. Loook at it this way, a vote for Nader
> could be a vote for a green platform period or, depending on who's leading
> in the east, a way of sending either Gore or *Bush* a green message. Also,
> if Bush were leading, a (Nader supporter) vote for Gore would be an
> anti-Bush vote. If Gore were leading a (Nader supporter) vote for Bush
> would be an *anti-Gore* vote. There are probably other explanations why
> folks vote the way they do. I wonder why Mr. Garrison jumps to conclusions
> about just one of them.
>
> Hey, we have an election of our own and five scoundrels to deal with, well
> actually - I have to admit my biases - four plus one bright new kid on the
> block. He's the only one not embracing the usual collectivist, nanny state
> "we'll-take-care-of-you-don't-bother-to-think-for-yourself" attitude
> which prevails among most Canadian political parties.
>
> Geez, he even believes in taking personal responsibility for ones own
> well-being (e.g. exercise for better health). A completely new and
> difficult-to-accept concept up here.
>
I think it's clear that in both these elections, whoever wins, we still
lose.
--
_________________________
Chris Phillipo - Come Ride Our Island.
http://www.ramsays-online.com <-- Canadians can buy bike stuff here.
modokon
"Zoot Katz" <zoot...@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:3a2c9445...@news.direct.ca...
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:37:47 -0800 Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> >pretty well,
>
trashy SOB to get his kicks (like GWB).
Joe
Qui si parla Campagnolo
weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown. >>
How many e-mails have ya gotten about your tirade?
By voting, he is exercising his 'independence', morality has nothing to do with
it.
'Rich, lying weasel' applies to all of them-
If ya don't like it, run yourself instead of whining about Sheldon's endings to
his posts-
Peter Chisholm
"Vecchio's" Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl ST.
Boulder, CO
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
Tom Kunich
news:dyON5.6512$9p6.3...@typhoon.sonic.net...
> Ooohh...be careful or the WRONG rich lying weasel might get in!!
>
> I can't even express how disgusted I am with you.
> My stupid views are probably more similar to your stupid views than they
are
> to Sheldon Brown's or Tom Kunich's, but both of those men can actually say
> what they think without resorting to vitriol and slander.
I'm always careful to slander the right people.
Pete
Darrell Putnam
reason I read Sheldon Brown and thought Mike Vandeman!! God, I need to go
out and RIDE.
Thanks Mr. Brown for your service to our passion.
Ken Colburn
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote in
message news:s6SN5.7030$1K.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
> Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
>
> > Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
>
> Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has been
> twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the
mis-quote.
> That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
>
> JT
Tom Kunich makes a number, no make that MANY good and valid points and YOU -
JT choose to divert attention from that -- THAT is disingenuous and
disappointing to me.
KenColburn
Chris
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
>
> > From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> > Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
--
Chris Tsien
G.T.
Just goes to show the Bush mentality. I believe he designed that
webpage.
Greg
G.T.
>
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote in
> message news:s6SN5.7030$1K.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
> > Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
> >
> > > Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
> >
> > Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has been
> > twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the
> mis-quote.
> > That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
> >
> > JT
>
> Tom Kunich makes a number, no make that MANY good and valid points
"valid"? Hardly.
Greg
Tom Kunich
posted it I missed it. I seem to recall hearing the passage when he made it
and it went something like, his legislation made the internet possible. That
was a distortion and a lie. But let's not quibble. The man is a danger to
the country and an unmitigated liar in virtually every part of his life.
I note that some disk jockey claims to have proof that Al Gore was banging
some biker chick and taking dope ostensibly for a magazine article he was
writing 18 months after he was married. The later article was called a "puff
piece" on the bicycle gang.
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote in
message news:s6SN5.7030$1K.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
> Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
>
> > Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
>
> Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has been
> twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the
mis-quote.
> That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
>
> JT
>
Tom Kunich
news:5937-3A...@storefull-213.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> I have a complaint about that Sheldon Brown character. First he looks
> like Hagar the Horrible until you see the bigger picture. Second his web
> page has been causing me to lose sleep because it's so darn good.
>
> One reason the Reps didn't run Quayle on the ticket with Bush is they
> didn't want a VP smarter than the Prez.
>
> Face it. George W Bush couldn't pass a junior high civics class. Dan
And yet Bush has a better academic and public and business record than Al
Gore. So what sort of person does that make you?
Tom Kunich
news:3A07EE7D...@mediaone.net...
> Paul...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> The main reason for voting for Bush is that he is not a Democrat
politician.
> Democrat politicians are the worst bunch of lying thieves America has ever
> seen. I used to vote for Democrats until I woke up. Republican politicians
> are lying thieves also, just not as bad as the Democrats. - Jim
Republicans tend to be a bit more oriented to not getting caught and so tend
to lie, cheat and steal less. There seems to be something in the Democratic
makeup that simply doesn't give a shit anymore. Now they blatantly screw
everyone over and say that they didn't do it.
Tom Kunich
publicly proclaimed after extensive testing to be as safe as possible.
Later he made his money blackmailing companies with the threat that he'd do
the same to them.
Finally he enter politics with the idea that Marxism really has a place in
the USA.
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <vecc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001107090601...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> << Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown. >>
>
>
Joshua_Putnam
Tom Kunich <tku...@cadence.com> wrote:
>JT, I have yet to see a single posting that gave the entire quote. So if you
>posted it I missed it. I seem to recall hearing the passage when he made it
>and it went something like, his legislation made the internet possible. That
>was a distortion and a lie.
While all of this is entirely off-topic, and while I'm no
fan of Al Gore, no less than Newt Gingrich has supported
Gore's version of the events. Gore's claim is simply that
he took the initiative in Congress in supporting funding
for opening the internet. News may be many things, but a
member of the Clinton-Gore Fan Club he isn't.
--
Jo...@WolfeNet.com
"My other bike is a car."
http://www.wolfenet.com/~josh/
John Forrest Tomlinson
news:8u9f2k$1k0$1...@news.cadence.com...
> JT, I have yet to see a single posting that gave the entire quote. So if
you
> posted it I missed it.
Apologies if you did not see the quote -- it was a link to an article with
text of his statement.
> I seem to recall hearing the passage when he made it
> and it went something like, his legislation made the internet possible.
Right -- that's what he said.
> That
> was a distortion and a lie. But let's not quibble.
I disagree with you, but won't quibble. The point is, if you knew the nature
of his claim, why not attack that, rather than using the made up "invented"
version?
John Forrest Tomlinson
> Republicans tend to be a bit more oriented to not getting caught and so
tend
> to lie, cheat and steal less. There seems to be something in the
Democratic
> makeup that simply doesn't give a shit anymore.
Well said! My wife, who is not from the US, asked about the difference
between the parties and I'm going to share this with her.
Mike Latondresse
Mike Latondresse, Vancouver B.C.
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
> > From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> > Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
Jay Beattie
Tom Kunich wrote in message
<8u9f2k$1k0$1...@news.cadence.com>...
>JT, I have yet to see a single posting that gave
the entire quote. So if you
the passage when he made it
>and it went something like, his legislation made
>was a distortion and a lie. But let's not
>the country and an unmitigated liar in virtually
every part of his life.
>
>I note that some disk jockey claims to have proof
that Al Gore was banging
>some biker chick and taking dope ostensibly for a
magazine article he was
>writing 18 months after he was married. The later
article was called a "puff
>piece" on the bicycle gang.
O.K. Tom, so how many of us have not banged some
biker chick and taken dope. I mean REALLY.
I cannot think of a president in the last 100
years who was not connected with a scandal, sexual
or otherwise. Hell, Warren Harding had Teapot Dome
and a bastard. Clinton has a longer list than
most, but that could be due to vigorous press
coverage. GW, if elected, will have his list, too.
Do this: make a list of presidents over the last
100 years,identify your favorites and then count
the scandals. My short list: TR (land scandals,
monopolies, bad outfits -- but a devoted family
man), Wilson (extramarital affair); FDR
(extramarital affair); Truman (Kansas City
election inquiry -- but a faithful husband);
Eisehower (barely on the list; extramarital
affair); Kennedy (lots of extramarital affairs).
Each of these presidents had lapses of credibility
and some would make Gore look positively modest,
like TR and FDR. And God only knows what they used
in the way of dope, which was not illegal for much
of the early century. I see nothing about Gore or
Bush that puts them outside the ordinary
lie/scandal range. -- Jay Beattie.
Left Blank
> "Jim" <knu...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:3A07EE7D...@mediaone.net...
> > Paul...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > The main reason for voting for Bush is that he is not a Democrat
> politician.
> > Democrat politicians are the worst bunch of lying thieves America has ever
> > seen. I used to vote for Democrats until I woke up. Republican politicians
> > are lying thieves also, just not as bad as the Democrats. - Jim
>
> to lie, cheat and steal less. There seems to be something in the Democratic
> everyone over and say that they didn't do it.
It sounds as though they're becoming like left-leaners in many countries,
who seem to be drifting from principle and idealism to pragmatism and an
"ends justify means" amorality.
They're no better than the right, which seem to be moving from a laudable
[to me] "less government" aim, to capitulation to those wanting
government to impose their beliefs on everyone.
_____
Rick
====================================================
By the time some people reach maturity
They're too old to change
====================================================
Ernie Negus
vote still not count as a vote? I read that there were several activity
groups trying to make the "None of the above" vote count as a real
vote, even for the presidency, and if it should be the will of the people,
we would have to postpone the election and try again with different
candidates at a later time. Does anyone know if those activists were
successful in incorporating this in this particular voting period?
As for the Clinton administration, I recall an offical memo that circulated
around the national labs over a year ago, just after the Chinese nuclear
secrets fiasco. The memo went something like:
"It is everyones responsibility to immediately report anyone in secure
areas who does not have the proper security clearance. This applies
even if that person is THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES."
The text in caps was in boldfaced text, like they were telling us who
to REALLY watch out for. ;-)
Tom Kunich wrote:
> Hmm, you know, no one on this conference hates the Clinton administration
> more than I do. The very picture of that Chief Freak in Charge literally
> makes me nauseous and I have to change the channel immediately. I have
> actually vomited at the sound of his voice. And Al Gore, the lying SOB, who
> tells everyone that he thought that carrying bags of money back from the Red
> Chinese Army, via a Buddhist Temple funnel was a "social outreach program"
> makes even Clinton seem not that bad.
>
> And I don't much like the alternatives either. Bush may not be my favorite
> candidate but Buchanan hasn't a chance since he has the reputation of a
> right-wing extremist but whose politics would have landed him square in the
> center in 1965. Ralph Nader is a Maoist leaning socialist who would destroy
> the country in a blink of an eye and tell us it was for our own good. The
> Libertarians have some very intelligent ideas and no way to get them out.
>
> So the best of a bad lot remains Bush. But you know, Sheldon despite his
> pie-in-the-sky ideas is still a pretty nice guy. And I say that as someone
> that might strangle him if ever I meet him. So let's not be vituperative
> towards the people here whether the subject is religion, politics or women.
>
> Tomorrow is hopefully a new day. An Election Day that might signal a change
> from the guy who invented the internet (and sucked the life out of Tipper on
> public TV) and some guy whose best recommendation is that he ran Texas
> pretty well, made a killing in business and is recommended by Ross Perot.
Eric Salathe
>> Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
John Forrest Tomlinson <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote:
> Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has been
> twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the mis-quote.
> That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
The claim that Gore claims to have invented the internet is the among
most blatant of baldfaced lies in this campaign. Eisenhower took the
initiative in creating the interstate highway system. That certainly
does not mean he invented the road. An invention is not an
actuality. Legislation created the internet, not engineering that
invented it. The following has been circulated widely (Google on "Traub
Gore Internet"):
>Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:23:51 -0500 (EST)
>From: Joseph Traub <tr...@cs.columbia.edu>
>To: far...@cis.upenn.edu
>Subject: Inventing the Internet
>
>The media and politicians have had much fun about the Vice-President's
>purported claim that "I invented the internet". It is the case that Al
>Gore was perhaps the the first political leader to grasp the importance
>of networking the country (and later the world).
>
>In 1986 I chaired the Computer science and Telecommunications Board and
>Gore was our dinner speaker at the National Academy of Sciences. He spoke
>about the importance of a National Information Infrastructure. At the
>time he was a senator from a fairly small Southeastern state and I was
>amazed at his national vision. He has continued to be a national leader in
>promoting the importance of the internet for commerce and education.
>Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits
>about inventing the internet.
Here's another from a U.K. publication (Tom, I trust you all know who
these people are) (incidentally, the European's are taking a much more
responsible approach to our election):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13640.html
Al Gore and the Internet
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize
the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its
development.
No one person or even small group of persons exclusively
"invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing
collaboration among people in government and the university
community. But as the two people who designed the basic
architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work,
we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected
official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a
longer period of time.
Regarding the internet, if Kahn says it's true, it probably is.
--
Eric Salathe Jr <esal...@cascade.org>
Seattle WA
Paul Jorritsma
in Texas would be cut in half.
Not one inmate had a hankering for Thai food.
In article <3A0832C0...@pacificnet.net>,
"G.T." <eth...@pacificnet.net> wrote:
> modokon wrote:
> >
> > "Zoot Katz" <zoot...@operamail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a2c9445...@news.direct.ca...
> > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:37:47 -0800 Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >
> > > >some guy whose best recommendation is that he ran Texas
> > > >pretty well,
> > >
> > > Now if he could only cook.
> > > http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm
> > > --
> > > zk
> > That list is outrageous. What the hell is the point, other than for
some
> > trashy SOB to get his kicks (like GWB).
> > Joe
>
> Just goes to show the Bush mentality. I believe he designed that
> webpage.
>
> Greg
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Zoot Katz
>Boy, will I ever be glad when the American elections are over!
>Mike Latondresse, Vancouver B.C.
You don't have to wait for April 22nd to turn off your TV. You still have
ultimate control over that appliance.
http://adbusters.org/campaigns/tvturnoff/
--
zk
Zoot Katz
>That list is outrageous. What the hell is the point, other than for some
>trashy SOB to get his kicks (like GWB).
>Joe
Tax paying Texans apparently need to know these things.
I'd imagine that page gets many hits from sybotic epicureans comparing
gastronomic preferences.
--
zk
Zoot Katz
>Just goes to show the Bush mentality. I believe he designed that
>webpage.
>
>Greg
You can give him some credit for creating the content.
--
zk
Steve Peake
news:8EUN5.92034$P4.25...@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> Mentally delete the above post, I'm a freakin idiot!!! For some stupid
> reason I read Sheldon Brown and thought Mike Vandeman!! God, I need to go
> out and RIDE.
*cough*, thats the nastist insult I've seen on usenet for years!
Steve
Todd Kuzma
> And yet Bush has a better academic and public and business record than Al
> Gore. So what sort of person does that make you?
Yes, a great business record:
"Daddy! I want an oil company!! Pleeeeeeeeeeeease!"
Then after a few years:
"Daddy, that nasty ole oil company went bankrupt. Can I have another one?
Pleeeeeease!"
Todd Kuzma
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.tullios.com
Raleigh-Schwinn-Specialized
Bianchi-Waterford-Heron
GT/Dyno-Burley-Co-Motion
Tom Kunich
design and construction of the BCC Model 1 which was situated at the
University of Hawaii and was a major link in the original internet.
"Brian Plouffe" <b...@home.com> wrote in message
news:n1TN5.55260$P82.6...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> Tom's just pissed because he thinks HE invented the Internet.
>
>
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote in
> message news:s6SN5.7030$1K.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
> > Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
> >
> > > Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
> >
> > Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has
been
> > twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the
> mis-quote.
> > That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
> >
Tom Kunich
>
> The later article was called a "puff piece" on the bicycle gang.
This is a pretty funny typo. We have ridden through Holister, CA, and told
the locals that we were another of those dangerous "bike" clubs come to
harass the locals. Somehow they didn't think that it was all that funny
since that movie with Marlon Brando was more than a little off of the mark.
It should have read: "motorcycle gang".
modokon
"G.T." <eth...@pacificnet.net> wrote in message
news:3A0832C0...@pacificnet.net...
> modokon wrote:
> >
> > "Zoot Katz" <zoot...@operamail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a2c9445...@news.direct.ca...
> > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:37:47 -0800 Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >
> > > >some guy whose best recommendation is that he ran Texas
> > > >pretty well,
> > >
> > > Now if he could only cook.
> > > http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm
> > > --
> > > zk
> > trashy SOB to get his kicks (like GWB).
> > Joe
>
> webpage.
>
> Greg
Joe
Tom Kunich
1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer, that
went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in the
Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
"Eric Salathe" <esal...@cascade.org> wrote in message
news:8u9m5v$ft4a$1...@nntp3.u.washington.edu...
>
> > Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
>
> >> Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
>
> John Forrest Tomlinson <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has
been
> > twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the
mis-quote.
> > That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
>
Tom Kunich
news:3A083D62...@ramsays-online.com...
>
> I think it's clear that in both these elections, whoever wins, we still
> lose.
I was under the impression that Canada had their own government. So what are
you losing regardless of who wins an American election?
Tony Raven
"TBGibb" <tbg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001107000037...@nso-fq.aol.com...
> Originally Sheldon wrote:
>
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
> | West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> | Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> | returns from the east should make this clear. |
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
>
so
> superficial as voting based on the results of the exit polls.
>
As I watch this thread in mild amusement I've concluded that no-one here can
work out whether Sheldon's tag line is meant to be filed alongside his
article on building a wheel or alongside his Real Man Saddle ad.
As to whether its Bore or Gush, I leave that to the American people to
decide in their infinite wisdom.
;-^)
Tony
Tom Kunich
news:20001107082728...@ng-ba1.aol.com...
> Even though I recognize GW's intellectual limitations, I decided that for
> anyone under 40 who likes to party a lot, he is the man. I am still 36,
and
> have 4 good party years left in my life. I can drink, smoke, snort, and
may be
> even sell some coke and earn some $$$$. With GW as president, this will be
> nothing more than "youthfull indiscretions". Moreover, if I get stop DUI,
I wil
> tell the cop : "Hey buddy, this is just a youthful indiscretion", and
he'll let
> me go.
So tell me, if GW can be arrested and pay the fine are you perfectly willing
to take whatever punishment your state offers?
> So, for anyone under forty who wishes to party some, he is our man. I
> believe that if elected, GW will attempt to free all under forty people
> imprisoned for selling or using drugs under the new "usefull indiscetion-
27th
> amendment" to the constitution. This ellection is especially important
because
> the new appointed supreme court judges will be able to pass this new
> amendement.
Tell us what you really know Andres. Or are you all mouth and no thought?
Larry Maloy
> "Tom Kunich" <tku...@cadence.com> wrote in message
> news:8u9f2k$1k0$1...@news.cadence.com...
> >
> > The later article was called a "puff piece" on the bicycle gang.
>
>
> It should have read: "motorcycle gang".
Oh, too bad. I was just about to order some of those "Ape Hanger" handlebars
for my road bike.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Larry
"Don't put off for tomorrow what you can do today,
because if you enjoy it today you can do it again tomorrow."
James Michener
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Eric Salathe
> JT, I have yet to see a single posting that gave the entire quote. So if you
> posted it I missed it.
See http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
March 9, 1999, CNN's "Late Edition"
BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic
and international issues in a minute, but let's just wrap up
a little bit of the politics right now. Why should
Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process,
support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a
former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to
this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?
GORE: Well, I will be offering - I'll be offering my vision
when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and
sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to
draw people toward it. I feel that it will be. But it will
emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've
traveled to every part of this country during the last six
years. During my service in the United States Congress, I
took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the
initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives
that have proven to be important to our country's economic
growth and environmental protection, improvements in our
educational system. During a quarter century of public
service, including most of it long before I came into my
current job, I have worked to try to improve the quality of
life in our country and in our world. And what I've seen
during that experience is an emerging future that's very
exciting, about which I'm very optimistic, and toward which I
want to lead.
> I note that some disk jockey claims to have proof that Al Gore was
> banging some biker chick and taking dope ostensibly for a magazine
> article he was writing 18 months after he was married. The later
> article was called a "puff piece" on the bicycle gang.
Well, if you believe that kind of crap, there's not much we can do
within the bounds of civil and intellegent discourse, now is there?
Eric Salathe <esal...@cascade.org>
Seattle WA
John Forrest Tomlinson
> As I have pointed out, I worked for Berkeley Computer Co. in 1969 through
> 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer, that
> went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in the
> Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
>
> So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
He didn't say he came up with the idea. He didn't say he conceived it. He
didn't say he was more forward looking than the scientists who helped
develop it. He said that he was the driving force within government in
supporting it. And he implies he was more forward thinking than others in
government.
What is so hard to understand about that?
And is getting government support behind it a bad thing?
Eric Salathe
> As I have pointed out, I worked for Berkeley Computer Co. in 1969 through
> 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer, that
> went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in the
> Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
> So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
So please tell us how little you understand about the structure of the
internet. ARPAnet did not become the internet. It was an early network
that along with many similar networks were internetworked to form the
internet. That was the great internet invention, the protocol to
communicate among networks. Networks certainly preceeded the internet
by a decade or so, but so what? You seem to confuse leaves with
trees. You seem to think Tom K, and not Kahn et al, invented the
internet.
Allan Leedy
"Mh" <mar...@home.com> wrote in message
news:_oJN5.116074$ib7.15...@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com...
> Since this is an internet newsgroup, * * * *
> what size cone wrench it will take for Mr. Hilliard to remove his head
from
> his ass?
>
>
> "Garrison Hilliard" <garr...@efn.org> wrote in message
> news:8u7ce3$r31$1...@news.efn.org...
> > > From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> > > Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >
> > >Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
> > >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> > >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> > >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> > >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> > >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >
Robert Chung
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote in
message news:Ym%N5.46$Bs2....@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net...
> develop it. He said that he was the driving force within government in
> supporting it. And he implies he was more forward thinking than others in
> government.
>
> What is so hard to understand about that?
>
> And is getting government support behind it a bad thing?
Well, sometimes in the middle of some threads, I start to wonder...
Martin Goldstein
I have never seen another topic that has caused so many lurkers to comment. I think
that this was a successful attempt to do a census count of previously hidden list
members.
Be well.
Martin
David Cásseres
>> However, since we do try to focus on bicycle tech talk here I was
>wondering
>> what size cone wrench it will take for Mr. Hilliard to remove his
>head from
>> his ass?
>
>7 3/8.
After Hilliard is through with it, Kunich gets a turn.
--
David Cásseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
David Cásseres
<tku...@cadence.com> wrote:
>JT, I have yet to see a single posting that gave the entire quote. So if you
>posted it I missed it. I seem to recall hearing the passage when he made it
>and it went something like, his legislation made the internet possible. That
>was a distortion and a lie.
I just got through voting against Al Gore, but I want to say that he never
said he invented the internet, he said he was a sponsor of legislation
that funded it and that he has always been in the lead in supporting it.
Tom Kunich says that's a distortion and a lie.
Vinton Cerf, who arguably DID invent the internet (with some others) says
Gore's claim is exactly correct.
Gosh, who am I gonna believe?
Jay Beattie
Paul Jorritsma wrote in message
<8u9poe$2u7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>According to my studies, if we outlawed
cheeseburgers, the murder rate
>in Texas would be cut in half.
I suspect that BIG BEEF is hiding the truth about
the connection between burgers and homicide. It
is time for a class action on behalf of death row
inmates and their survivors. The truth must out.
BIG CHEESE is next. -- Jay Beattie.
2tires
Eric Salathe <esal...@cascade.org> wrote in message
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>
> > Tom Kunich <atku...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:BVKN5.18604$Wq1.9081192@nnrp5-
>
> >> Oh yeah, and he still invented the internet.
>
> John Forrest Tomlinson <jt1...@notthesewordsbellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > Tom, I've pointed you to the actual quote of what Gore said that has
been
> > twisted into "created internet" and yet you persist in using the
mis-quote.
> > That's realy disingenuine and dissapointing.
>
> The claim that Gore claims to have invented the internet is the among
> initiative in creating the interstate highway system
Give me a break. Comparing gore to a person like Eisenhower, or anyone else
worthy of respect is silly.
Jane Fonda or Pee Wee Herman would be a more worthy comparisons of
character.
Nader can't win and I didn't vote for him. But he believes in something.
He always has believed in the same things. And he is a good man.
Do you think gore compares to that?
If Gore wins we all lose in the long run.
Gregory White
> Tom Kunich <tku...@cadence.com> wrote in message
> news:8u9ssm$hm8$1...@news.cadence.com...
> > As I have pointed out, I worked for Berkeley Computer Co. in 1969 through
> > 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer, that
> > went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in the
> > Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
> >
> > So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
>
> He didn't say he came up with the idea. He didn't say he conceived it. He
> didn't say he was more forward looking than the scientists who helped
> develop it. He said that he was the driving force within government in
> supporting it. And he implies he was more forward thinking than others in
> government.
>
> What is so hard to understand about that?
It's not hard to understand. He has an agenga which doesn't jibe with
historical truth or common sense. He figures if he bullys and blows enough
smoke out he'll obscure the truth and achieve his agenda. It's a common tactic
which political campaigns (on all sides) regularly utilize. Unfortunately it
makes Tom look dishonest -- which is something he's accusing Gore of.
> And is getting government support behind it a bad thing?
It is if you're a so-called Libertarian or maybe even Republican. Just try to
keep in mind that these individuals flunked ECON101 because they couldn't
comprehend the concept that the free market sometimes fails.
gw
Gregory White
> "Jim" <knu...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:3A07EE7D...@mediaone.net...
> > Paul...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > The main reason for voting for Bush is that he is not a Democrat
> politician.
> > Democrat politicians are the worst bunch of lying thieves America has ever
> > seen. I used to vote for Democrats until I woke up. Republican politicians
> > are lying thieves also, just not as bad as the Democrats. - Jim
>
> Republicans tend to be a bit more oriented to not getting caught and so tend
> to lie, cheat and steal less. There seems to be something in the Democratic
> makeup that simply doesn't give a shit anymore. Now they blatantly screw
> everyone over and say that they didn't do it.
You're making it too complicated for us Republican minded voters. Could you,
for our sake, generalize more and simplify your concepts? GWB doesn't speak in
such intricate terms and he's getting through to so many more people than you.
just gw
TBGibb
cass...@pacbell.net (David Cásseres) writes:
>I just got through voting against Al Gore,
So you voted for Nader?
Tom Gibb <TBG...@aol.com>
Paul...@webtv.net
276 miles last week like always. I've gotten some good stuff off this
group by lurking. Tech is short for technical I guess. I like Sheldon
Browns page so much after reading his stuff on tire pressures, I did
runs at 120 psi and then at 105 and couldn't tell much difference in
speed or distance. but I just wanted to say that in looking over this
thread things have gotten turned around and I am quoted as being in
favor of Bush when I'm not. In fact someone called Tom Kunich even
attacked me for giving my opinion of Bush being dumber than Quayle. I
voted for Nixon twice, Ford. Reagan twice, Bush once. And then I
realized if I'm not a fundenmentalist why am I voting Repub? Voted for
Clinton twice and Gore yesterday. The irony is that Gore would have
been good for the people who voted against him and Bush will hurt those
who voted for him. If you have a million dollars in the bank vote
Republican. If not, look at who has helped the ordinary man the most.
FDR and company that's who.
John Forrest Tomlinson
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Gregory White <gwh...@metricom.com> wrote in message
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> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> > Tom Kunich <tku...@cadence.com> wrote in message
> > news:8u9ssm$hm8$1...@news.cadence.com...
> > > As I have pointed out, I worked for Berkeley Computer Co. in 1969
through
> > > 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer,
that
> > > went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in
the
> > > Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
> > >
> > > So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
> >
> > He didn't say he came up with the idea. He didn't say he conceived it.
He
> > didn't say he was more forward looking than the scientists who helped
> > develop it. He said that he was the driving force within government in
> > supporting it. And he implies he was more forward thinking than others
in
> > government.
> >
> > What is so hard to understand about that?
>
> It's not hard to understand. He has an agenga which doesn't jibe with
> historical truth or common sense. He figures if he bullys and blows
enough
> smoke out he'll obscure the truth and achieve his agenda.
Perhaps his talking about other things is bullying and blowing smoke, but
when he's talking about something he did that was correct and good (eg eg
increasing government support for the internet) then it's called "taking
credit for doing a good thing."
If part of the reason for that is some other nefarious plan, well maybe we
should be concerend. But it's not blowing smoke. Calling it blowing smoke
is, well, blowing smoke. So what's your agenda?
JT
John Forrest Tomlinson
when he's talking about something he _did_ that was correct and _good_ (eg
Chris Phillipo
We have an election pending too, Tom. Or weren't you listening?
--
_________________________
Chris Phillipo - Come Ride Our Island.
http://www.ramsays-online.com <-- Canadians can buy bike stuff here.
Gene
> worthy of respect is silly.
> Jane Fonda or Pee Wee Herman would be a more worthy comparisons of
> character.
Hanoi Jane? Get real.
> Nader can't win and I didn't vote for him. But he believes in something.
> He always has believed in the same things. And he is a good man.
I was reading an editorial last night where Nader hopes that Bush wins
because he will drive so many out of the conservative camp that Nader
might have a chance next time around.
Gene
>
> Tom Kunich <tku...@cadence.com> wrote in message
> news:8u9ssm$hm8$1...@news.cadence.com...
> > As I have pointed out, I worked for Berkeley Computer Co. in 1969 through
> > 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer, that
> > went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in the
> > Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
> >
> > So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
>
> He didn't say he came up with the idea. He didn't say he conceived it. He
> didn't say he was more forward looking than the scientists who helped
> develop it. He said that he was the driving force within government in
> supporting it. And he implies he was more forward thinking than others in
> government.
>
> What is so hard to understand about that?
>
Geeze, even I remember hearing about some dude named Gore pushing hard
for an "information superhighway" to connect all of our communities
together electronically, and I was almost a kid back then.
AndresMuro
organizing a drive for helmetless riding. Also everyone should ride Conago C
40s only. The veeryy beeest bike in the world. Finally, Mavic Heliums in all
bikes.
Andres
Tom Kunich
through
> > 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer,
that
> > went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in
the
> > Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
>
> > So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
>
> internet. ARPAnet did not become the internet. It was an early network
> that along with many similar networks were internetworked to form the
> internet. That was the great internet invention, the protocol to
> communicate among networks. Networks certainly preceeded the internet
> by a decade or so, but so what? You seem to confuse leaves with
> trees. You seem to think Tom K, and not Kahn et al, invented the
> internet.
I hate to point this out to you Eric, but if you cannot tell the difference
between the two they are the same thing. I was communicating from one
computer to another over a network from one end of the USA to the other in
1970 onwards. To suggest that the "internet" was somehow different only in
extent than the Arpanet is disingenuous.
Tom Kunich
message news:Ym%N5.46$Bs2....@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net...
through
> > 1970 and we built the BCC Model 1, a 500 user time sharing computer,
that
> > went to the University of Hawaii where it was used as the backbone in
the
> > Internet (or the Arpanet at the time as I recall).
> >
> > So please tell me about how forward looking that dickhead was in 1986.
>
> didn't say he was more forward looking than the scientists who helped
> develop it. He said that he was the driving force within government in
> supporting it. And he implies he was more forward thinking than others in
> government.
His exact quote John, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
In one fell swoop he took credit for decades of research and tens of
thousands of poeple supplying millions of man hours of work to invent this
form of communications.
Tom Kunich
news:18096-3A0...@storefull-217.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> realized if I'm not a fundenmentalist why am I voting Repub? Voted for
> Clinton twice and Gore yesterday. The irony is that Gore would have
> been good for the people who voted against him and Bush will hurt those
> who voted for him. If you have a million dollars in the bank vote
> Republican. If not, look at who has helped the ordinary man the most.
> FDR and company that's who.
You have some pretty serious issues that you could have easily resolved
simply by reading Gore's book "Earth in Balance" and then reading any real
work of science on the subject. The man is a blithering idiot. According to
the FBI reports he is a criminal and a liar. Hopefully he will be prosecuted
and jailed for his actions but that is doubtful. Even the Republicans are
playing the games and cannot be trusted to enforce the laws.
Apparently you cannot understand that Clinton has been ruling this country
by executive order unlike anything ever seen in American history including
EVERY war. This country has NOT been a democracy since Clinton assumed
power. It has been a monocracy and the Congress should be held responsible
for not overriding every single executive order -- good, bad or indifferent.
Apparently you do not understand that Gore would be more of the same.
But then you probably have never bothered to fight for your country or your
rights. Or learn what they are in the first place. You've probably never
cared how many people fought and died or lived with horrible handicaps for
the rest of their lives so that you could forget everything they did for you
and the rest of us.
Tom Kunich
news:3A0871BC...@TheRamp.net...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > And yet Bush has a better academic and public and business record than
Al
> > Gore. So what sort of person does that make you?
>
> Yes, a great business record:
>
> "Daddy! I want an oil company!! Pleeeeeeeeeeeease!"
Well, I'm really surprised that you know the Bushs and big business so well
Tod. Did you get that knowledge from working in your bicycle shop?
Sheldon Brown
It is wrong and divisive to focus on such trivial matters when evil,
depraved mountain bikers are conspiring to drive the Alameda whipsnake
into extinction!
Carapace Completed Umberman, Ph.D.
Berkeley, California
===
I am working on creating a planet that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years
fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://sheldonbrown.com/carapace.html
Gene
>
> <Paul...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:18096-3A0...@storefull-217.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > realized if I'm not a fundenmentalist why am I voting Repub? Voted for
> > Clinton twice and Gore yesterday. The irony is that Gore would have
> > been good for the people who voted against him and Bush will hurt those
> > who voted for him. If you have a million dollars in the bank vote
> > Republican. If not, look at who has helped the ordinary man the most.
> > FDR and company that's who.
>
> You have some pretty serious issues that you could have easily resolved
> simply by reading Gore's book "Earth in Balance" and then reading any real
> work of science on the subject. The man is a blithering idiot. According to
> the FBI reports he is a criminal and a liar. Hopefully he will be prosecuted
> and jailed for his actions but that is doubtful. Even the Republicans are
> playing the games and cannot be trusted to enforce the laws.
That's OK. I for one am happy to have a convicted thief, drunk driver,
and recovering alcoholic in the White House. At least we know he's human
and has flaws just like all the rest of us. After this term, Nader and
hte Greens will be looking pretty good (if he can just lose that
mile-wide tax & spend liberal streak)
Mike Jacoubowsky
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Sheldon Brown" <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com> wrote in message
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Todd Kuzma
Tom Kunich wrote:
Er . . . duh, no. Um, weez ain't got no learnin books'round here at the
bike shop. Weez just pick up a few things from the gossip Goober gets over by
the fillin' station.
Or, I may have learned a bit about the Bushes, politics, and presidential
campaiging when I studied them when working on my master's degree. I may have
also picked up a little bit about big business when I worked in product
management for Motorola.
Go look down your nose at someone else.
Todd Kuzma
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.tullios.com
Raleigh-Schwinn-Specialized
Bianchi-Waterford-Heron
GT/Dyno-Burley-Co-Motion
Gene
That was a dirty trick...to claim that he is until we receive evidence
of it ourselves and don't need convincing before backing down.
Ernie Negus
Tom Kunich wrote:
> I hate to point this out to you Eric, but if you cannot tell the difference
> between the two they are the same thing. I was communicating from one
> computer to another over a network from one end of the USA to the other in
> 1970 onwards. To suggest that the "internet" was somehow different only in
> extent than the Arpanet is disingenuous.
Everybody should know that Intel invented the internet. We invented
and provided the specifications for ethernet, LAN, DSL and UARTs
which account for more than 99% of internet connectivity. We also
invented the microprocessor and hardware level multiprocessing and
multitasking. We invented iRMX, which is the original operating system
that Compuserve used for its first five years of groundbreaking operation.
We either invented or were leaders in the invention of: ATM, ATX,
EPROM, EEPROM, DMI, ICE, IDE, MPU, MMX, PCI, USB and
dozens of other technological acronyms. Not to mention that over 84%
of all the servers that make up the internet today (and this number is
rapidly growing) are based on Intel architecture and running on Intel
processors or at least using Intel chipsets..
Hell... we not only invented the internet, we ARE the internet!
Just thought I'd make that perfectly clear for anyone who may be
confused by this part of the thread.
(Could you guess that I just got back from a business update meeting?)
Now if I could just convince my boss that we should be making carbon
frame bicycles....
;-)
Gene
Billy-boy Gates might disagree with you there....
>
> Just thought I'd make that perfectly clear for anyone who may be
> confused by this part of the thread.
>
> (Could you guess that I just got back from a business update meeting?)
Is that like where they apply a patch to update your version?
lrzi...@my-deja.com
business! :)
(My apologies, Sheldon, I don't know how to make a winking face to show
I'm being facetious.)
--Roy Zipris
In article <3A09915D...@zylay.com>,
Gene <webm...@zylay.com> wrote:
> That was a dirty trick...to claim that he is until we receive evidence
> of it ourselves and don't need convincing before backing down.
>
> > I retract my retractment that Sheldon is deranged.
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Gene
;-)
JJ
he can teach me to build wheels!!!!!
"Garrison Hilliard" <garr...@efn.org> wrote in message
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> > From: Sheldon Brown <Capt...@sheldonbrown.com>
> > Reply to: Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
> >| West Coast Nader fans: Please vote late in the day. |
> >| Your vote may turn out to be crucial, and the early, |
> >| returns from the east should make this clear. |
> >+---------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Trying to get those Nader votes turned into votes for that rich, lying
> weasel Al "Tipper Sticker" Gore, eh? Well, you may know your bike stuff,
> guy, but encouraging folks to wait and vote for a repugnant Democratic
> candidate over a good candidate just because you hate the
> just-as-repugnant Republican candidate is a pretty good sign you've sold
> out your independence and morals, Mr. Brown.
>
Tony Raven
> I am working on creating a planet that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat").
Lost cause with it currently scheduled for demolition to make way for the
new intergalactic freeway.
Tony