> On Jul 1, 8:41 pm, Frank Krygowski <frkry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> I think if you compare a good bicycling class against any other thing
>> a cyclist might spend money on, you'll get more long-term pleasure and
>> satisfaction out of taking the class.
> Opinion is one thing (and everybody's entitled to theirs); but you
> extend your opinion and values to presume what *other* people will
> find most pleasurable and satisfying of *all* the things in the whole
> world that they might spend money on. Incredible.
The opinion he expressed (doesn't "I think" indicate _opinion_?) is that he thinks they will ...
Must we never recommend anything to anyone when there's a chance it might offend Dan O. ?
-- Wes Groleau
“Brigham Young agrees to confine himself to one woman,
if every member of Congress will do the same.”
— Weekly Republican, 1869
> I've heard people say that local truckers and long haul truckers are
> very different in their behavior. I think that may be true. I've never
> ever been hassled by anyone driving a semi-trailer rig, but I have
> occasionally gotten grief from large dump trucks.
The only person that ever honked at me was the semi-driver I recently mentioned. I have been yelled at two or three times by ignorant people in passenger cars. But for the most part, motorists are reasonable.
The most common expression of displeasure seems to be flooring it when they finally get the chance to pass. I just shake my head in amazement.
After all, it doesn't punish me one iota, but they have to pay for the gas they wasted. :-)
> The most memorable case was when I was riding on a narrow (probably 9'
> lanes) two lane frequently used as a cut-through by truckers wanting to
> avoid main roads. Despite keeping up with other traffic in front of me
> due to traffic lights, the dump truck driver behind me blared his horn
> several times.
> So I shrugged my shoulders and shook my head, and kept my lane position.
> Eventually he passed and went on his miserable way.
I would have pulled out my cell phone and photographed him. Let him lose sleep wondering what I intend to do with the picture. :-)
-- Wes Groleau
“Ideas are more powerful than guns,
We would not let our enemies have guns;
why should we let them have ideas?”
— Jozef Stalin
> The only person that ever honked at me was the semi-driver I recently
> mentioned. I have been yelled at two or three times by ignorant people
> in passenger cars. But for the most part, motorists are reasonable.
When I am on the scooter and come upon road cyclists, I am tempted to slow down and ask if they want to do some motor-pacing. :)
> The most common expression of displeasure seems to be flooring it when
> they finally get the chance to pass. I just shake my head in amazement.
> After all, it doesn't punish me one iota, but they have to pay for the
> gas they wasted. :-)
No much of a penalty since electronic fuel injection did away with running excessively rich and dumping unburned fuel out the exhaust when opening the throttle quickly. In addition, large throttle openings reduce pumping losses.
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Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 07-02-2012 11:43, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> I've heard people say that local truckers and long haul truckers are
>> very different in their behavior. I think that may be true. I've never
>> ever been hassled by anyone driving a semi-trailer rig, but I have
>> occasionally gotten grief from large dump trucks.
> The only person that ever honked at me was the semi-driver I recently
> mentioned. I have been yelled at two or three times by ignorant people
> in passenger cars. But for the most part, motorists are reasonable.
> The most common expression of displeasure seems to be flooring it when
> they finally get the chance to pass. I just shake my head in amazement.
> After all, it doesn't punish me one iota, but they have to pay for the
> gas they wasted. :-)
>> The most memorable case was when I was riding on a narrow (probably 9'
>> lanes) two lane frequently used as a cut-through by truckers wanting to
>> avoid main roads. Despite keeping up with other traffic in front of me
>> due to traffic lights, the dump truck driver behind me blared his horn
>> several times.
>> So I shrugged my shoulders and shook my head, and kept my lane position.
>> Eventually he passed and went on his miserable way.
> I would have pulled out my cell phone and photographed him. Let him lose
> sleep wondering what I intend to do with the picture. :-)
Before cell phone cameras, there were two times I recall when I, or my wife on the back of our tandem, turned around and very obviously read out loud, repeatedly, the license plate number of a car that was aggressively tailgating our bike. Both times the drivers backed off.
> In London, the Metropolitan Police even have a contact website where
> you can report bad driving and present video evidence, which they will
> act on. Drivers are gradually learning that they can no longer regard
> the absence of a police officer on the scene as a reliable indication
> that their behaviour won't be viewed by one later, in glorious HD
> video. Some have been prosecuted, and a number of vehicles seized, as
> a result of this. It is helpful "pour encourager les autres".
We had a discussion here about one such prosecution. Several of us noted that although the driver merited severe penalties, it would not be surprising for the cyclist to have been cited for violations he performed earlier in the video. :-)
-- Wes Groleau
It seems a pity that psychology should have
destroyed all our knowledge of human nature.
— G. K. Chesterton
> You do not have to present any evidence to them that incriminates
> yourself, but it is another positive aspect of recording rides that it
At least not in USA. But I didn't claim you do. I merely pointed out that the video they posted in their justified indignation DID incriminate the victim to a small extent.
> does encourage better riding. If a rider does something stupid in the
> moments before a driver does (even if the two incidents are completely
> unrelated), it makes it more difficult to use the video as evidence.
Well, it may be that they edited out their poor behavior in the copy they showed the police. But since thy displayed it to the whole world, I sort of doubt it.
Doesn't mitigate what the driver did in the least, though. Running stop signs, and going straight in a turn lane without even looking did not in any way contribute to the collision that happened a couple of minutes later.
(Well, I suppose that driver might have insanely thought he was teaching them a lesson, but I doubt it.)
-- Wes Groleau
Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, and cut with an axe.
